AVIATIONTOOLBOX: I've added your approach plates.

[Kyler Laird]

Thanks to Dennis Megary at MyAirplane.com, I've added the vector
(PDF) approach plates to my collection.
http://aviationtoolbox.org/raw_data/FAA/approaches/

There's a lot that I plan to do with these, but for now I have a
terribly simple kludge for finding them here.
https://aviationtoolbox.org/members/kyler/tools/airports

This is all very messy right now but I wanted to make it
available quickly. Plan for it to change.

--kyler

[Roy Smith]

In article >,
Kyler Laird > wrote:

> Thanks to Dennis Megary at MyAirplane.com, I've added the vector
> (PDF) approach plates to my collection.
> http://aviationtoolbox.org/raw_data/FAA/approaches/
>
> There's a lot that I plan to do with these, but for now I have a
> terribly simple kludge for finding them here.
> https://aviationtoolbox.org/members/kyler/tools/airports
>
> This is all very messy right now but I wanted to make it
> available quickly. Plan for it to change.
>
> --kyler

Awesome! A truly excellent resource!

[Ben Jackson]

In article >,
Kyler Laird > wrote:
>Thanks to Dennis Megary at MyAirplane.com, I've added the vector
>(PDF) approach plates to my collection.

Have you worked out the XML someone mentioned was used to index them?
Is there any georeferencing?

--
Ben Jackson
>
http://www.ben.com/

[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, (Ben Jackson) said:
>In article >,
>Kyler Laird > wrote:
>>Thanks to Dennis Megary at MyAirplane.com, I've added the vector
>>(PDF) approach plates to my collection.
>
>Have you worked out the XML someone mentioned was used to index them?
>Is there any georeferencing?

Assuming it's the same XML that's on the Sporty's chart viewer DVD, there
isn't a lat-long value for the airport, just a state and chart volume
(EC-1, SW-4, etc). They also have totally screwed up the ICAO ids for
Alaska.


--
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Loop, Endless: n., see Endless Loop.
-- Random Shack Data Processing Dictionary

[Kyler Laird]

(Ben Jackson) writes:

>Have you worked out the XML someone mentioned was used to index them?

Yes, I'm stumbling through it with the Python SAX module. Here
is some really bad code that uses it.
http://aviationtoolbox.org/munge/gadflyize.py

>Is there any georeferencing?

No, I haven't noticed any. I thought about it earlier, but I'd be
very surprised if the plates could be reasonably georeferenced
anyway. I recall seeing "not to scale" warnings on some of them.

--kyler

P.S. Anyone know if the flight simulator guys fly IFR? They've
already hit the sectionals pretty hard. (I'm happy they find it
useful. I'm just curious.)

[Kyler Laird]

(Paul Tomblin) writes:

>>Have you worked out the XML someone mentioned was used to index them?
>>Is there any georeferencing?

>Assuming it's the same XML that's on the Sporty's chart viewer DVD, there
>isn't a lat-long value for the airport,

Oh! Is that all that you want? It's available in the FAA ATA-100
data set.
http://aviationtoolbox.org/old/ATA-100/
There are coordinates for the reference points and for most of the
runway ends.

--kyler

[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, Kyler Laird > said:
(Paul Tomblin) writes:
>>>Have you worked out the XML someone mentioned was used to index them?
>>>Is there any georeferencing?
>
>>Assuming it's the same XML that's on the Sporty's chart viewer DVD, there
>>isn't a lat-long value for the airport,
>
>Oh! Is that all that you want? It's available in the FAA ATA-100
>data set.

Oh, *I* don't need it, I subscribe to the CD. You know that.

--
Paul Tomblin > http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
Heaven has all the lusers, a generous supply of larts -
and no PHBs anywhere in sight.
-- The BOFH Heaven, according to Suresh

[Ben Jackson]

In article >,
Kyler Laird > wrote:
>No, I haven't noticed any. I thought about it earlier, but I'd be
>very surprised if the plates could be reasonably georeferenced
>anyway. I recall seeing "not to scale" warnings on some of them.

I've just seen screenshots of Jepp's chartview on the MX20 with the
airplane overlayed on the procedure. So Jepp must have their chart
coordinates electronically.

--
Ben Jackson
>
http://www.ben.com/

[Kyler Laird]

(Ben Jackson) writes:

>>No, I haven't noticed any. I thought about it earlier, but I'd be
>>very surprised if the plates could be reasonably georeferenced
>>anyway. I recall seeing "not to scale" warnings on some of them.

>I've just seen screenshots of Jepp's chartview on the MX20 with the
>airplane overlayed on the procedure. So Jepp must have their chart
>coordinates electronically.

The airport diagrams have nice longitude and latitude lines overlaid
but the approach plates are often a little loose. What would you do
with the squiggly lines by ROGEE here?
http://aviationtoolbox.org/raw_data/FAA/approaches/current/d-TPP/Published_pdfs/00001R17L.pdf

I'd trust that Jepp has all of the geo data for their own charts but
I doubt it's a simple thing to add back to the FAA/NOS charts. It
sure would be nice though.

--kyler

[Brenor Brophy]

Very cool, all I've ever been able to get online up to this was poorly
scanned copies of the FAA plates (example the AOPA airport directory). I was
think the FAA still had a building full of draughtsmen carefully drawing the
plates.

-Brenor

"Kyler Laird" > wrote in message
...
> Thanks to Dennis Megary at MyAirplane.com, I've added the vector
> (PDF) approach plates to my collection.
> http://aviationtoolbox.org/raw_data/FAA/approaches/
>
> There's a lot that I plan to do with these, but for now I have a
> terribly simple kludge for finding them here.
> https://aviationtoolbox.org/members/kyler/tools/airports
>
> This is all very messy right now but I wanted to make it
> available quickly. Plan for it to change.
>
> --kyler

[Richard Russell]

On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 01:08:33 GMT, Kyler Laird >
wrote:

(Ben Jackson) writes:
>
>>Have you worked out the XML someone mentioned was used to index them?
>
>Yes, I'm stumbling through it with the Python SAX module. Here
>is some really bad code that uses it.
> http://aviationtoolbox.org/munge/gadflyize.py
>
>>Is there any georeferencing?
>
>No, I haven't noticed any. I thought about it earlier, but I'd be
>very surprised if the plates could be reasonably georeferenced
>anyway. I recall seeing "not to scale" warnings on some of them.
>
>--kyler
>
>P.S. Anyone know if the flight simulator guys fly IFR? They've
>already hit the sectionals pretty hard. (I'm happy they find it
>useful. I'm just curious.)


Thanks for this incredible resource. And yes simmers do fly IFR,
including me. I'm a PP-ASEL but not instrument rated. I have taken a
few instrument lessns and read extensively on the subject to insure
that I am using proper procedures when flying IFR on the computer. I
use the sim for GA flight but there are guys that fly airliners all
over the world IFR on the computer.

Rich Russell

[Teacherjh]

>>
The airport diagrams have nice longitude and latitude lines overlaid
but the approach plates are often a little loose. What would you do
with the squiggly lines by ROGEE here?

http://aviationtoolbox.org/raw_data/FAA/approaches/current/d-TPP/Published
_pdfs/00001R17L.pdf
<<

I take it to mean that the VOR is not where charted but is in that direction,
just further away.

Jose

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[Kyler Laird]

(Teacherjh) writes:

>>>
>The airport diagrams have nice longitude and latitude lines overlaid
>but the approach plates are often a little loose. What would you do
>with the squiggly lines by ROGEE here?

>http://aviationtoolbox.org/raw_data/FAA/approaches/current/d-TPP/Published
>_pdfs/00001R17L.pdf
><<

>I take it to mean that the VOR is not where charted but is in that direction,
>just further away.

Sorry, I assumed people in this group would know that. I should have
been clearer. Yes, that is what the squiggly lines mean.

--kyler

[Wizard of Draws]

On 4/13/04 4:08 PM, in article , "Kyler
Laird" > wrote:

> Thanks to Dennis Megary at MyAirplane.com, I've added the vector
> (PDF) approach plates to my collection.
> http://aviationtoolbox.org/raw_data/FAA/approaches/
>
> There's a lot that I plan to do with these, but for now I have a
> terribly simple kludge for finding them here.
> https://aviationtoolbox.org/members/kyler/tools/airports
>
> This is all very messy right now but I wanted to make it
> available quickly. Plan for it to change.
>
> --kyler

Kyler,

Personally, I think this is very cool of you to do, but the approach plates
are already online at:
http://www.naco.faa.gov/index.asp?xml=naco/online/d_tpp
Of course AOPA is also doing it, but the quality of their product leaves a
bit to be desired.
I'm not quite sure why you are taking on the expense and trouble of
providing this service? For free no less.
--
Jeff 'The Wizard of Draws' Bucchino
Cartoons with a Touch of Magic�
www.wizardofdraws.com
www.cartoonclipart.com

[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, Wizard of Draws > said:
>Personally, I think this is very cool of you to do, but the approach plates
>are already online at:
>http://www.naco.faa.gov/index.asp?xml=naco/online/d_tpp

I don't see an option there to download the whole set of TPPs. I guess
I'll have to subscribe to the Sporty's DVD.


--
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Exploit is announced.
Server runs an old version.
A root compromise.

[Tom Sixkiller]

"Wizard of Draws" > wrote in message
news:BCA36781.AF8C%jeffbREMOVE@REMOVEwizardofdraws .com...

> Personally, I think this is very cool of you to do, but the approach
plates
> are already online at:
> http://www.naco.faa.gov/index.asp?xml=naco/online/d_tpp

That site does not have the entire set.

[Tom Sixkiller]

"Paul Tomblin" > wrote in message
...
> In a previous article, Wizard of Draws
> said:
> >Personally, I think this is very cool of you to do, but the approach
plates
> >are already online at:
> >http://www.naco.faa.gov/index.asp?xml=naco/online/d_tpp
>
> I don't see an option there to download the whole set of TPPs. I guess
> I'll have to subscribe to the Sporty's DVD.
>
MyAirplane.com has the entire DVD for $11 plus $3 SH

[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, "Tom Sixkiller" > said:
>"Paul Tomblin" > wrote in message
...
>> I don't see an option there to download the whole set of TPPs. I guess
>> I'll have to subscribe to the Sporty's DVD.
>>
>MyAirplane.com has the entire DVD for $11 plus $3 SH

Sportys has it for $9.95, and they give a 5% discount when I use my AOPA
credit card.


--
Paul Tomblin > http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
"As Canadian as possible, under the circumstances"

[Kyler Laird]

Wizard of Draws > writes:

>but the approach plates
>are already online at:
>http://www.naco.faa.gov/index.asp?xml=naco/online/d_tpp

Can you find this file on there?
http://aviationtoolbox.org/raw_data/FAA/plates/current/d-TPP/xml/digTPP_hier_All_Watt.xml
If so, yes, I/we could easily do updates from the FAA site.

Sure, I could dig without it but it would get messy.

For now I'll just change my utility to point at their PDF files for
the simple links.

Thank you.

--kyler

[Kyler Laird]

Wizard of Draws > writes:

>I'm not quite sure why you are taking on the expense and trouble of
>providing this service?

I want to be able to easily experiment with the files.
http://aviationtoolbox.org/munge/plates_by_state/

>For free no less.

The value that a data collection like this offers me is sharply lower
if I'm not free to do what I want with it. I assume that there are
others who want the same thing - tools to help them innovate, not
interfaces/licenses that restrict them to predefined usages.

--kyler

[Wizard of Draws]

On 4/18/04 2:08 PM, in article , "Kyler
Laird" > wrote:

> Wizard of Draws > writes:
>
>> I'm not quite sure why you are taking on the expense and trouble of
>> providing this service?
>
> I want to be able to easily experiment with the files.
> http://aviationtoolbox.org/munge/plates_by_state/
>
>> For free no less.
>
> The value that a data collection like this offers me is sharply lower
> if I'm not free to do what I want with it. I assume that there are
> others who want the same thing - tools to help them innovate, not
> interfaces/licenses that restrict them to predefined usages.
>
> --kyler

I understand. A tip of my hat to you for your efforts. I appreciate it.
--
Jeff 'The Wizard of Draws' Bucchino
Cartoons with a Touch of Magic�
www.wizardofdraws.com
www.cartoonclipart.com