Transiting KCLE Class B

[dutch]

I have a fairly new Instrument Rating and need to fly my (non-turbo) Arrow
from Chicago to Binghamton NY.

The most efficient dry route appears to be V6 via Dryer, but that takes me
right through the middle of the Cleveland Class B. Is this likely to be
accepted as filed, or am I likely to get vectored extensively out of the
way? I need to know for fuel planning (old Arrow, small tanks). The Canada
route is a little longer and that runs through Detroit Class B.

Suggestions/experiences from any of you graybeards (figuratively, of course)
out there would be appreciated.

[Steve S]

I've traveled from White Plains NY to Burke Lakefront monthly for the past
year. Most times they offer Class B clearance before asking.

They may give you an altitude change but will probably clear you through.
It's usually not until you're east of the Poconos (around Wilkes-Barre) that
they start giving you extensive routing.

Steve S

"dutch" > wrote in message
link.net...
> I have a fairly new Instrument Rating and need to fly my (non-turbo) Arrow
> from Chicago to Binghamton NY.
>
> The most efficient dry route appears to be V6 via Dryer, but that takes me
> right through the middle of the Cleveland Class B. Is this likely to be
> accepted as filed, or am I likely to get vectored extensively out of the
> way? I need to know for fuel planning (old Arrow, small tanks). The
Canada
> route is a little longer and that runs through Detroit Class B.
>
> Suggestions/experiences from any of you graybeards (figuratively, of
course)
> out there would be appreciated.
>
>

[Andrew Sarangan]

Cleveland is quite accomondating for GA aircraft compared to other CBAS
(like PHX).


"dutch" > wrote in
link.net:

> I have a fairly new Instrument Rating and need to fly my (non-turbo)
> Arrow from Chicago to Binghamton NY.
>
> The most efficient dry route appears to be V6 via Dryer, but that
> takes me right through the middle of the Cleveland Class B. Is this
> likely to be accepted as filed, or am I likely to get vectored
> extensively out of the way? I need to know for fuel planning (old
> Arrow, small tanks). The Canada route is a little longer and that
> runs through Detroit Class B.
>
> Suggestions/experiences from any of you graybeards (figuratively, of
> course) out there would be appreciated.
>
>

[Brien K. Meehan]

"dutch" > wrote in message . net>...
> Is this likely to be
> accepted as filed, or am I likely to get vectored extensively out of the
> way?

Probably not very far out of the way. Hopkins traffic tends to use a
fairly tight "box" pattern. Be ready to steer around the downwind and
base legs and you're golden.

> The Canada
> route is a little longer and that runs through Detroit Class B.

Flying over Niagra Falls on the way can be fun. Buffalo's very cool
about that.

Detroit's "arrival corridors" seem to be much bigger than Cleveland's,
but in a way they're easier to steer through. Detroit seems to like
keeping the scheduled and GA traffic far away from each other, and is
very GA-friendly in doing it.

[Viperdoc]

I have flown from Milwaukee to east of CLE a number of times. Most of the
routings took me over or around the Detroit airspace and over Lake Erie.
This was not a big deal flying in a twin, but made me pretty nervous the one
time I did it in a single.

[Bill J]

CLE is very smooth compared to DTW. If traffic is from SW to RWY 5, you
may get sent to MFD and then via the MFD 092 radial eastward.

dutch wrote:
> I have a fairly new Instrument Rating and need to fly my (non-turbo) Arrow
> from Chicago to Binghamton NY.
>
> The most efficient dry route appears to be V6 via Dryer, but that takes me
> right through the middle of the Cleveland Class B. Is this likely to be
> accepted as filed, or am I likely to get vectored extensively out of the
> way? I need to know for fuel planning (old Arrow, small tanks). The Canada
> route is a little longer and that runs through Detroit Class B.
>
> Suggestions/experiences from any of you graybeards (figuratively, of course)
> out there would be appreciated.
>
>

[Judah]

I don't know CLE airspace that well, but I have flown through NY's class
B IFR a few times without trouble in the past 6 months or so. (Not a
whole lot of experience, admittedly, but I've done it several times now).
Basically, they had my fly the preferred route at the defined altitude
with little or no additional vectoring except to give me a chance to get
to my altitude (6000' that day).

It might be overkill, because they'll change your routing if they need to
anyway, but I would check the AFD for prefferred routes from airports
near your intended flight path, and file on their routes at their
altitudes. I would suspect that you have the least amount of likelihood
of being vectored around if you are in their "highway" system following
along with everyone else... It may be slightly less direct for you, but I
would guess it is more likely to be accepted as filed that way.

I would suggest you bring your flight computer and some scrap paper. If
you're that close on fuel, you should probably create a "backup plan"
stop in case the winds are going to put you over anyway... I haven't
looked at your flight plan, but I fly an archer, and my max fuel time is
about 90 minutes longer than my max bladder time, so I never really have
that problem anyway. :)


"dutch" > wrote in
link.net:

> I have a fairly new Instrument Rating and need to fly my (non-turbo)
> Arrow from Chicago to Binghamton NY.
>
> The most efficient dry route appears to be V6 via Dryer, but that takes
> me right through the middle of the Cleveland Class B. Is this likely
> to be accepted as filed, or am I likely to get vectored extensively out
> of the way? I need to know for fuel planning (old Arrow, small tanks).
> The Canada route is a little longer and that runs through Detroit
> Class B.
>
> Suggestions/experiences from any of you graybeards (figuratively, of
> course) out there would be appreciated.
>
>