Airport Radial/Distance/Fix on Jepp Airport Chart

[Dave Johnson]

I "discovered" Jepp has decided to remove the radial/distance/from fix info
on the airport plan view that defined the ARP.

Am I the only one that uses the info .. loaded into the RNAV .. so, for
example, when ATC says 'radar contact 6 NE of the xyz airport' I can look at
the RNAV and verify that I am that far from it? Until I had RNAV I
basically just agreed with ATC.

Well anyway, they decided to drop the info off the charts and it appears
didn't notify any of their subscribers.

Dave
Seneca III driver

[[email protected]]

Dave Johnson wrote:

> I "discovered" Jepp has decided to remove the radial/distance/from fix info
> on the airport plan view that defined the ARP.
>
> Am I the only one that uses the info .. loaded into the RNAV .. so, for
> example, when ATC says 'radar contact 6 NE of the xyz airport' I can look at
> the RNAV and verify that I am that far from it? Until I had RNAV I
> basically just agreed with ATC.
>
> Well anyway, they decided to drop the info off the charts and it appears
> didn't notify any of their subscribers.
>
> Dave
> Seneca III driver

What's the problem? With RNAV, the airport identifier is the position of the
ARP. That could either be the active waypoint or referred to on the "NRST"
airports reference page.

[Dave Johnson]

> wrote in message ...
>
>
> Dave Johnson wrote:
>
> > I "discovered" Jepp has decided to remove the radial/distance/from fix
info
> > on the airport plan view that defined the ARP.
> >
> > Am I the only one that uses the info .. loaded into the RNAV .. so, for
> > example, when ATC says 'radar contact 6 NE of the xyz airport' I can
look at
> > the RNAV and verify that I am that far from it? Until I had RNAV I
> > basically just agreed with ATC.
> >
> > Well anyway, they decided to drop the info off the charts and it appears
> > didn't notify any of their subscribers.
> >
> > Dave
> > Seneca III driver
>
> What's the problem? With RNAV, the airport identifier is the position of
the
> ARP. That could either be the active waypoint or referred to on the
"NRST"
> airports reference page.
>
>
>
The PROBLEM is .... my King RNAV unit requires me to enter the
aforementioned data manually into one of four storage slots and I don't
carry it around in my head. It was on the Jepp Airport chart.

[Roy Smith]

In article <46Wkc.10279$Ik.844723@attbi_s53>,
"Dave Johnson" > wrote:

> > wrote in message ...
> >
> >
> > Dave Johnson wrote:
> >
> > > I "discovered" Jepp has decided to remove the radial/distance/from fix
> info
> > > on the airport plan view that defined the ARP.
> > >
> > > Am I the only one that uses the info .. loaded into the RNAV .. so, for
> > > example, when ATC says 'radar contact 6 NE of the xyz airport' I can
> look at
> > > the RNAV and verify that I am that far from it? Until I had RNAV I
> > > basically just agreed with ATC.
> > >
> > > Well anyway, they decided to drop the info off the charts and it appears
> > > didn't notify any of their subscribers.
> > >
> > > Dave
> > > Seneca III driver
> >
> > What's the problem? With RNAV, the airport identifier is the position of
> the
> > ARP. That could either be the active waypoint or referred to on the
> "NRST"
> > airports reference page.
> >
> >
> >
> The PROBLEM is .... my King RNAV unit requires me to enter the
> aforementioned data manually into one of four storage slots and I don't
> carry it around in my head. It was on the Jepp Airport chart.

Have you tried talking to Jepp and expressing your desire that the
information stay on the charts? I've known them to be pretty responsive
to user input.

[[email protected]]

Dave Johnson wrote:

>
> The PROBLEM is .... my King RNAV unit requires me to enter the
> aforementioned data manually into one of four storage slots and I don't
> carry it around in my head. It was on the Jepp Airport chart.

Aeroplanner and other database web sites have all those ARPs. The system is at
the point now where 99.999% of RNAV systems have full databases. Roy thinks
Jeppesen might put the information back on the chart if you ask. I don't share
that view.

[Dave Johnson]

> wrote in message ...
>
>
> Dave Johnson wrote:
>
> >
> > The PROBLEM is .... my King RNAV unit requires me to enter the
> > aforementioned data manually into one of four storage slots and I don't
> > carry it around in my head. It was on the Jepp Airport chart.
>
> Aeroplanner and other database web sites have all those ARPs. The system
is at
> the point now where 99.999% of RNAV systems have full databases. Roy
thinks
> Jeppesen might put the information back on the chart if you ask. I don't
share
> that view.
>

Well, since I have asked Jepp .. which is how I found out they just did it
without notification of their customers .. and received the response that my
issue will be passed on to those who control such things, we will see what
the outcome is.

It is a far cry from obtaining the data from the airport plan view page
while in flight to having to obtain it on the ground before flight,
especially if you were to have to look up each and every airport over a
large area. Isn't ease of obtaining data in the cockpit what the original
Captain Jeppesen had in mind?

Let me clarify my use of "RNAV". I am not talking about a system with
internal data bases, which seems to be what you are thinking about. I guess
today RNAV equals GPS and other modern processor based systems. I am
talking about the original use of RNAV which was a displaced VOR/DME system
where the unit required you to enter the freq, radial, and distance. King
made at least two versions of this and there were a lot of these units
placed in new and used aircraft over the years. There are probably still a
goodly number of these units in use. I would hope that those who fly with
them have be instructed how to use them for ARP's which is a handy
application of that eras equipment. Even when I fly aircraft equipped with
both the old RNAV and a GPS unit I carry RNAV flight plan data as a backup
in case the GPS system drops out .. which it did one night on an IFR flight
due to Rockwell-Collins testing in the area I was flying through.

Dave

[Stan Prevost]

KNS-80



> wrote in message ...
>
>
> Dave Johnson wrote:
>
> > I "discovered" Jepp has decided to remove the radial/distance/from fix
info
> > on the airport plan view that defined the ARP.
> >
> > Am I the only one that uses the info .. loaded into the RNAV .. so, for
> > example, when ATC says 'radar contact 6 NE of the xyz airport' I can
look at
> > the RNAV and verify that I am that far from it? Until I had RNAV I
> > basically just agreed with ATC.
> >
> > Well anyway, they decided to drop the info off the charts and it appears
> > didn't notify any of their subscribers.
> >
> > Dave
> > Seneca III driver
>
> What's the problem? With RNAV, the airport identifier is the position of
the
> ARP. That could either be the active waypoint or referred to on the
"NRST"
> airports reference page.
>
>
>

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Dave Johnson wrote:

>
>
> It is a far cry from obtaining the data from the airport plan view page
> while in flight to having to obtain it on the ground before flight,
> especially if you were to have to look up each and every airport over a
> large area. Isn't ease of obtaining data in the cockpit what the original
> Captain Jeppesen had in mind?

Indeed that is what he had in mind. He didn't know, however, about electronic
databases coming along many years later that would replace some of the
information on the chart. Note for instance, no RNAV (GPS) IAPs have LAT/LONs
on the chart because they are in the database and automatic.

>
>
> Let me clarify my use of "RNAV". I am not talking about a system with
> internal data bases, which seems to be what you are thinking about. I guess
> today RNAV equals GPS and other modern processor based systems. I am
> talking about the original use of RNAV which was a displaced VOR/DME system
> where the unit required you to enter the freq, radial, and distance. King
> made at least two versions of this and there were a lot of these units
> placed in new and used aircraft over the years. There are probably still a
> goodly number of these units in use. I would hope that those who fly with
> them have be instructed how to use them for ARP's which is a handy
> application of that eras equipment. Even when I fly aircraft equipped with
> both the old RNAV and a GPS unit I carry RNAV flight plan data as a backup
> in case the GPS system drops out .. which it did one night on an IFR flight
> due to Rockwell-Collins testing in the area I was flying through.

There are always exceptional situations, of course.

[[email protected]]

Stan Prevost wrote:

> KNS-80

I know, sort of like computed ADF.

[Richard Kaplan]

"Dave Johnson" > wrote in message
news:bl5lc.13925$0H1.1351096@attbi_s54...>

> It is a far cry from obtaining the data from the airport plan view page
> while in flight to having to obtain it on the ground before flight,
> especially if you were to have to look up each and every airport over a

I agree the information would be helpful to put back on the charts.

In the interim, it might be helpful for you to know that the
Airport/Facility Directory lists Radial/Distance to a nearby VOR for every
airport. So that could be an easy way for you to ge this information in
flight, albeit not as easy as having the info on the approach plate.


--------------------
Richard Kaplan, CFII

www.flyimc.com