IPC questions?

[Roy Smith]

I'm putting together a question bank for IPC's. Anybody got any they'd
like to contribute?

[Ron Rosenfeld]

On Thu, 27 May 2004 22:27:47 -0400, Roy Smith > wrote:

>I'm putting together a question bank for IPC's. Anybody got any they'd
>like to contribute?

Put some stuff in there on ODP's. Lack of knowledge kill people yearly.


Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)

[Barry]

> I'm putting together a question bank for IPC's. Anybody got any they'd
> like to contribute?

When is the pilot allowed to descend below DH or MDA? (must meet the three
conditions in FAR 91.175(c))

[Andrew Sarangan]

Ron Rosenfeld > wrote in
:

> On Thu, 27 May 2004 22:27:47 -0400, Roy Smith > wrote:
>
>>I'm putting together a question bank for IPC's. Anybody got any they'd
>>like to contribute?
>
> Put some stuff in there on ODP's. Lack of knowledge kill people yearly.
>
>
> Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)


Please forgive my ignorance, but what exactly is ODP? The only thing that
came up in a search was "Original Departure Point". Or, is it Obstacle
Departure Procedures?

[Greg Esres]

<<Put some stuff in there on ODP's. Lack of knowledge kill people
yearly.>>

The way I put is "An instrument protects you from hitting stuff when
you arrive at the airport. What protects you when you leave the
airport." Most of the time the answer is "I don't know!".

[Teacherjh]

>> Please forgive my ignorance, but what exactly is ODP?

Obstacle Departure Procedure.

Jose

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[Stan Gosnell]

(Teacherjh) wrote in
:

>>> Please forgive my ignorance, but what exactly is ODP?
>
> Obstacle Departure Procedure.

Seems to me that's redundant. The purpose of a departure
procedure is to provide obstacle clearance.

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Regards,

Stan

[zatatime]

On 29 May 2004 23:24:50 GMT, Stan Gosnell <me@work> wrote:

(Teacherjh) wrote in
:
>
>>>> Please forgive my ignorance, but what exactly is ODP?
>>
>> Obstacle Departure Procedure.
>
>Seems to me that's redundant. The purpose of a departure
>procedure is to provide obstacle clearance.


Not all airports have a specific procedure. I believe they are only
published when surrounding terrain warrants one.

z

[Greg Esres]

<<departure procedure is to provide obstacle clearance. >>

Seems I've heard of some for noise abatement.

[Judah]

The pilot may always descend below the Decision Height.

The Decision Height is the height at which the pilot decides if he will
execute a missed approach. However, the execution of the Missed Approach
Procedure happens after the decision is made, and so the plane will be
lower than the decision height.




"Barry" > wrote in :

>> I'm putting together a question bank for IPC's. Anybody got any
>> they'd like to contribute?
>
> When is the pilot allowed to descend below DH or MDA? (must meet the
> three conditions in FAR 91.175(c))
>
>
>
>

[Ron Rosenfeld]

On 29 May 2004 23:24:50 GMT, Stan Gosnell <me@work> wrote:

(Teacherjh) wrote in
:
>
>>>> Please forgive my ignorance, but what exactly is ODP?
>>
>> Obstacle Departure Procedure.
>
>Seems to me that's redundant. The purpose of a departure
>procedure is to provide obstacle clearance.

Perhaps, but that's the nomenclature used by the FAA in the AIM to
differentiate them from SID's.

And, although SID's do provide obstacle clearance, that may not necessarily
be their primary purpose.


Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)

[Andrew Sarangan]

Ron Rosenfeld > wrote in
:

> On 29 May 2004 23:24:50 GMT, Stan Gosnell <me@work> wrote:
>
(Teacherjh) wrote in
:
>>
>>>>> Please forgive my ignorance, but what exactly is ODP?
>>>
>>> Obstacle Departure Procedure.
>>
>>Seems to me that's redundant. The purpose of a departure
>>procedure is to provide obstacle clearance.
>
> Perhaps, but that's the nomenclature used by the FAA in the AIM to
> differentiate them from SID's.
>
> And, although SID's do provide obstacle clearance, that may not
> necessarily be their primary purpose.
>
>
> Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)
>


OK, so why do you think the distinction is so important in the context of
an IPC?

[Ron Rosenfeld]

On 01 Jun 2004 02:34:11 GMT, Andrew Sarangan > wrote:

>OK, so why do you think the distinction is so important in the context of
>an IPC?

Look at the differences. They are pretty clear in the AIM.

For one thing, SID's are explicitly assigned by ATC. So when they are
assigned, the instrument pilot has an immediate heads-up as to how to fly.

For Part 91 flights, ODP's may not be explicitly assigned, and are optional
for the pilot (if not assigned)! They do NOT require ATC clearance (or
even require that you inform ATC if you choose to fly the ODP). You may
have to review the chart to even know that there is an ODP (or non-standard
departure minima).

And, most importantly, there have been a number of accidents due to pilots
not flying a published ODP that was their option to fly.




Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)