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Brock Boss
July 13th 06, 05:29 AM
Last Saturday my brother/co-owner and I had planned on taking our
fresh-out-of-annual 172 up for a good workout at our home base in
Lincoln, IL (Logan County - KAAA). I'm a 14 hour student pilot on
hiatus. I got sick of paying to fly in other people's airplanes. My
brother, Brad, got his ticket in our airplane some years before we took
ownership. This was the final checkout of our plane to get everything
working so I can complete my ticket in 3916R. When we hopped in at 9am
ready to head out to the practice area, we ignorantly expected things
to go smoothly. I'll chalk this up to only being aircraft owners for
1.5 years. We've got a lot to learn.

Lesson #1 - Nothing ever goes smoothly when you own your own airplane.

We plug our headsets in and can't hear each other. Hmm, Brad goes
through the engine start checklist and awakens the O-300D while I
troubleshoot the portable intercom. After a few minutes of running on
the ground and no luck with the intercom, we shut down and unbuckle. We
went through 4 different headsets and none of them would work with the
intercom. It was an old intercom and we figured it had just taken this
opportune time to bite the dust. Why not right?
While I troubleshoot the intercom some more, Brad walks up to the
terminal to see if any other locals have a portable intercom we can
borrow. No such luck. We begin calling around to the FBOs within 40
miles, Springfield, Bloomington, Peoria, and Decatur. Only 1st Class
Air in Springfield (KSPI) has a portable intercom for sale. Could we
fly without one? Yes. Did we want to? No. What's $200.00 right? Chump
change when it comes to aviation. We weren't wasting this day of
flying due to a stupid intercom that decided to bite the dust.
Off to Springfield we go. Those Bose headsets really work by the way. I
was yelling over the engine noise to Brad and he had no clue!
We depart Logan County on 21 and get a straight in 10 mile final to 22.
Landing at Springfield is uneventful and we get to taxi past the ILNG
183rd Fighter Wing's ramp and check out the F-16's. Sweet.
We end up buying the Avcomm AC-2EX with the extension that turns it
into a 4 place.
Total: $230 and change. Being able to actually hear each other in
flight: Priceless.

Here's where it gets really fun. Brad notices on the flight back to
Logan County that the airspeed and VSI needles are jumping around quite
a bit. Our Garmin 296 is reporting a steady speed and level flight.
Something's funny. There's got to be a simple reason right?
Dammit! I was going to resume lessons next week and now we've got a
pitot static problem!
We land and taxi to our hangar, I'm ****ed.
We check the pitot tube and static port for visual obstructions.
Nothing we can see. Gentle airflow through both ports shows movement on
the gauges. Hmm. Test flight reveals nothing and the problem still
exists.

Our mechanic is on vacation for the next couple of weeks so it
doesn't look like I'll be working on my ticket in my airplane as
hoped. At least not for a while.

We head back to the parent's house to relax for the rest of the
afternoon. I can't get this problem out of my head. I've been
working on the plane for the past month with our mechanic trying to get
everything up and running so we can get the annual signed off. I want
to fly!

A light bulb went off in my head. My girlfriend and I had washed the
plane the evening before. How could I have forgotten? I explicitly
showed her the static port and instructed her to not get water near it.
I kept the pitot tube cover installed. Still, water could have gotten
in there. That's got to be the problem.

Lesson #2 - Nothing is as easy as it appears when it comes to
aircraft.

I run back out to the airport to investigate. Of course I had to remove
the front left seat to be able to look at the static lines. Hmm, I
think I see condensation in the line coming directly from the static
port on the left of the fuselage. That's easy enough to remove. I
unclamp the line, drain it, and re-clamp. Not really that much water
but I figure any water in there is going to cause problems. Brad
arrives at the airport and we take it up for a test flight. No joy.
Needles are still jumping all over the place. We land and scratch our
heads some more at the hangar.
We didn't try the alternate static source! We take it up around the
patch again and pull the alternate source with same results. The agony
of defeat!

Another light bulb goes off, or is it on?
I remember when I was putting the upper cowl on the week before; we
noticed we were missing a cam lock on the left side. I'll be damned,
the cam lock just so happens to be the one a couple of inches in front
of the static port. There is a ¼ inch or less gap between the upper
cowl and the mount it attaches to on the firewall. Could this be it?
Could there really be that much airflow disturbance due to this missing
cam lock. Well, where the hell are we going to get a cam lock on a
Saturday afternoon?
This is going to eat at me until I get it fixed. Giving up now is not
an option.
I begin scouring the hangar floor for the missing cam lock. Our hangar
floor is gravel so this ought to be fun. After 2 minutes of searching
where the cowling sat while it was off, I FIND THE MISSING CAM LOCK! I
should have bought a lottery ticket later that night.
Cam lock installed, back to the sky!!
Guess what? That was it. Airspeed needle solid as a rock. No wild
climbs or descents anymore on the VSI. Woo-hoo! Talk about a sigh of
relief. I was sick of working on this plane. I just wanted to fly!
Why I continue to be surprised by little things like this when it comes
to aircraft ownership, I'll never know. Maybe it's because we're
still newbies in the owner category. It sure is a good feeling when you
get it figured out and working again though.

Later that evening before sunset we were able to take the significant
others up for a sunset ride over the town. Flight lessons resume this
week. All is good in the world.

BTW, we'll be getting a new audio panel/intercom installed in the
next couple of months and will have a near brand new Avcomm AC-2EX + 4
place extender up for sale. If anyone is in the market shoot me a line.

Sorry for the long post, just thought this might be interesting to
share.

Brock
N3916R

Steven Barnes
July 13th 06, 05:39 AM
Glad you got things working again. Good to hear from someone in the area.
I'm in a 3-way partnership on a Cherokee 180. We're based at 1st Class Air.
Small world.
What's gas going for these days up there?

"Brock Boss" > wrote in message
oups.com...
Last Saturday my brother/co-owner and I had planned on taking our
fresh-out-of-annual 172 up for a good workout at our home base in
Lincoln, IL (Logan County - KAAA). I'm a 14 hour student pilot on
hiatus. I got sick of paying to fly in other people's airplanes. My
brother, Brad, got his ticket in our airplane some years before we took
ownership. This was the final checkout of our plane to get everything
working so I can complete my ticket in 3916R. When we hopped in at 9am
ready to head out to the practice area, we ignorantly expected things
to go smoothly. I'll chalk this up to only being aircraft owners for
1.5 years. We've got a lot to learn.

[snip]

Brock Boss
July 13th 06, 05:58 AM
Small world indeed.
Was $2.99 for the longest time but it's now up to $3.75.
I know of quite a few people that fly to KAAA from around Central IL
for gas.

Steven Barnes wrote:
> Glad you got things working again. Good to hear from someone in the area.
> I'm in a 3-way partnership on a Cherokee 180. We're based at 1st Class Air.
> Small world.
> What's gas going for these days up there?
>

Peter R.
July 13th 06, 02:12 PM
Brock Boss > wrote:

> Sorry for the long post, just thought this might be interesting to
> share.

Man, I am right there with you, brother. If it is any consolation, I was
returning from Denver last week when the starter in my Bonanza went (made
noises and could not even turn the prop 1/4 a turn) on the ground at a
small airport far from home with no mechanic on the field.

Of course, this happened on a Friday night (never mind the 150 or more
flights I took last year commuting to work between two big airports), so a
stay-over at a local roach motel, which ended up screwing us in the
supposed "airport negotiated rate," was mandated. This is the real risk in
picking a podunk airport to refuel.

Called a friend on Saturday to see if he would be willing to fly the 3.5
hours one way, 7 hours round trip in another Bonanza to pick up my father,
two boys, and me, along with the important luggage. Thankfully, he was,
but I still had to pay for the rental of the aircraft, fuel, two rooms for
one night, etc.

Not counting the maintenance on the starter, I am already down almost US
$1,000 for this "hiccup" and counting, as I have still to arrange to fly
back to this little airport and pick up my airplane.

If there ever was a time where I felt like I should just sell and get out
of aviation, that Friday night was it.

--
Peter

Marco Leon
July 13th 06, 08:38 PM
Peter R. wrote:

[snip]

> Not counting the maintenance on the starter, I am already down almost US
> $1,000 for this "hiccup" and counting, as I have still to arrange to fly
> back to this little airport and pick up my airplane.
>
> If there ever was a time where I felt like I should just sell and get out
> of aviation, that Friday night was it.

"Get out?? I was thinking "upgrade" while reading your post! Like a new
Eclipse :)

As another data point, my scheduled-but-cancelled commercial flight
from DC to NY was cancelled due to thunderstorms in the area. Who said
being bitten by the flying bug doesn't hurt once in a while?

Marco

Peter R.
July 13th 06, 08:50 PM
Marco Leon > wrote:

> "Get out?? I was thinking "upgrade" while reading your post! Like a new
> Eclipse :)

Ha! However, you have to understand my mindset at the time: I hadn't seen
my wife in two weeks (no need for a wife joke here), as she had opted out
of this vacation due to the sleep patterns of our one year old. As well,
I am typically away from home Monday through Thursday for my employment, so
I really just wanted to get home to spend a few days with her before again
leaving.

When the blades of the prop only moved about an 1/8th of a revolution, then
failed to move on the second start attempt, I looked out at someone else's
sunset and realized I wasn't going home that night. It was quite a
let-down.

--
Peter

Jim Burns[_1_]
July 13th 06, 09:11 PM
After our 43knot crosswind landing gear bolt breakage problem in Dalhart,
TX, I can feel your pain. Although we didn't have to abandon ship and
Aluma-tube it home, we couldn't get over our luck to land at an airport with
mechanics and owners so dedicated to GA... on a Sunday evening!

After spending the night in a hotel just across the street from a four track
RR mainline (train every hour all night long) a common phrase between us
became "Where's your sense of adventure?"

So, in keeping with the spirit of the adventurous GA pilot, how about
this..... Bumb a ride out to the Bo the weekend before OSH, then travel
north and join us. Nothing cures the GAblues like flying, great people, and
great airplanes. Bring your wife and you can take the vacation that you
deserved! :)

Jim

"Peter R." > wrote in message
...
> Marco Leon > wrote:
>
> > "Get out?? I was thinking "upgrade" while reading your post! Like a new
> > Eclipse :)
>
> Ha! However, you have to understand my mindset at the time: I hadn't
seen
> my wife in two weeks (no need for a wife joke here), as she had opted out
> of this vacation due to the sleep patterns of our one year old. As well,
> I am typically away from home Monday through Thursday for my employment,
so
> I really just wanted to get home to spend a few days with her before again
> leaving.
>
> When the blades of the prop only moved about an 1/8th of a revolution,
then
> failed to move on the second start attempt, I looked out at someone else's
> sunset and realized I wasn't going home that night. It was quite a
> let-down.
>
> --
> Peter

Peter R.
July 14th 06, 05:19 PM
Jim Burns > wrote:

> So, in keeping with the spirit of the adventurous GA pilot, how about
> this..... Bumb a ride out to the Bo the weekend before OSH, then travel
> north and join us. Nothing cures the GAblues like flying, great people, and
> great airplanes. Bring your wife and you can take the vacation that you
> deserved! :)

You know, Jim, that certainly sounds good. Like Jay's Inn, OSH is high on
my list of places to visit with the airplane. If something does shake
loose allowing me to attend, I will stumble into your camp sites with a
case of welcome brews.


--
Peter

RST Engineering
July 14th 06, 05:44 PM
> Man, I am right there with you, brother. If it is any consolation, I was
> returning from Denver last week when the starter in my Bonanza went (made
> noises and could not even turn the prop 1/4 a turn) on the ground at a
> small airport far from home with no mechanic on the field.


Peter ...

Some thoughts ...

1. Did you determine whether or not it was the starter itself or a low
battery that was giving you the grief? Low battery can give "grinding
noises" from the starter when the guts of the starter aren't being spun up
to speed. An easy way to tell is to turn on the overhead map light and then
try to start the airplane. If the map light dims to the point of nearly
extinguishing when you try to crank, then the battery is suspect.

2. It ain't easy, but it can be done. Did anybody ever show you how to
prop-start a bo? Yes, the compression is right up there, and if you've got
a 3-blade it is harder still, but as a last resort it CAN be done. It may
take you half an hour of cussing and sweating, but it beats the hell out of
the roach motel and all the rest of that crap. Find an old-fart mechanic
and have him/her show you how. If you get up to Oshkosh with that tin can,
look up Cy Galley in the emergency aircraft repair area and ask him to show
you the ropes.

Have one at OSH for me.

Jim

Marco Leon
July 14th 06, 06:11 PM
Peter R. wrote:
>
> Ha! However, you have to understand my mindset at the time: I hadn't seen
> my wife in two weeks (no need for a wife joke here), as she had opted out
> of this vacation due to the sleep patterns of our one year old. As well,
> I am typically away from home Monday through Thursday for my employment, so
> I really just wanted to get home to spend a few days with her before again
> leaving.
>
> When the blades of the prop only moved about an 1/8th of a revolution, then
> failed to move on the second start attempt, I looked out at someone else's
> sunset and realized I wasn't going home that night. It was quite a
> let-down.

Actually, I do understand the need to get home. I have two small kids
(2 and 4) and I don't like to leave my wife home with them by herself.
Doing that for work is one thing but leaving her alone because of
mechanical problems with the airplane, well, let's just say that the
rippling effects would be longer lasting...

Do you use the Bo to commute on Mondays and Thursdays? A coworker does
that on a similar schedule but he looks at the overnight delays as a
small price to pay for the increased freedom and convenience of flying
himself. Then again, he doesn't have a one-year old.

What we need to do is create a notification network of owner-pilots
that exists for the purposes of providing rides to other members who
are stranded. Like a text-messaged based pilot-share-a-ride. I know I
have a handful of numbers in my cellphone of friends with airplanes for
that very purpose.

Marco

Peter R.
July 14th 06, 07:15 PM
RST Engineering > wrote:

> 1. Did you determine whether or not it was the starter itself or a low
> battery that was giving you the grief?
<snip>

Jim, thanks. A mechanic flew in that Saturday morning from a nearby
airport with another battery. He had just enough time to check the cables
and swap batteries. With his volt meter, he concluded that the problem was
not the battery. Additionally, the starter was extremely hot to touch
after only two, very quick attempts.

When the mechanic was able to take the starter back to his shop on Monday,
he tested it and discovered that it was definitively source of the problem.
In fact, he found that a short in the starter actually caused the battery
to permanently short out, too. Have you ever heard of this?


> 2. It ain't easy, but it can be done. Did anybody ever show you how to
> prop-start a bo?
<snip>

No one ever showed me, but the thought of prop-starting my two-bladed, six
cylinder Bo did cross my mind that day. I asked a few of the old-timers
that were there if they knew if it were possible, but they didn't know.
Also, a pilot with an A36 flew into the airport to refuel and knew his way
around Bonanzas, but didn't think it would be possible.

If there is a way then I will investigate it, starting with the American
Bonanza Society to see if they have any info. Thanks.

--
Peter

Peter R.
July 14th 06, 07:55 PM
Marco Leon > wrote:

> Do you use the Bo to commute on Mondays and Thursdays? A coworker does
> that on a similar schedule but he looks at the overnight delays as a
> small price to pay for the increased freedom and convenience of flying
> himself. Then again, he doesn't have a one-year old.

Yes, I use the aircraft to commute for work. I fly out Monday and return
Thursdays and have been doing this every week since late February 2005, or
about 73 weeks (save for one week when the aircraft was in annual and one
week where t-storms were way too foreboding on a Monday AM). This
translates to roughly 140 flights, or 140 perfect opportunities for this
mechanical failure.

The two airports between which I commute are both major, class C airports
with mechanics on duty 24 hours a day. The irony of sorts is that had the
starter failed at either end of these weekly commutes, the impact would
have been quite minimal. Instead, the unit $hit the bed at the most
inopportune time: Far from home and with no help on the field. Murphy's
Law at its best.

Sorry for the lament and sorry to the OP for hijacking his thread. :)

--
Peter

July 14th 06, 09:01 PM
> If there is a way then I will investigate it, starting with the American
> Bonanza Society to see if they have any info. Thanks.

I do glider tow operations and taildraggers. We recommend NOT
hand-propping anything with more than 200 hp.

I've seen it done by mechanics, who then see me watching and
tell me not to do what they have done. I've hand-propped
sea-planes and the odd taildragger, and even my (former)
Piper Arrow (200hp). Never again. After 6,000 hours, I'll
leave that excitement to the professionals.

Best regards,

Jer/ "Flight instruction and mountain flying are my vocations!"
--
Jer/ (Slash) Eberhard, Mountain Flying Aviation, LTD, Ft Collins, CO
CELL 970 231-6325 EMAIL jer<at>frii.com http://users.frii.com/jer/
C-206 N9513G, CFII Airplane&Glider FAA-DEN Aviation Safety Counselor
CAP-CO Mission&Aircraft CheckPilot BM218 HAM N0FZD 240 Young Eagles!

Marco Leon
July 14th 06, 09:12 PM
wrote:
> I do glider tow operations and taildraggers. We recommend NOT
> hand-propping anything with more than 200 hp.
>
Why?? Does it start too fast to get out of the way?

Marco

RST Engineering
July 14th 06, 10:36 PM
No, it is just a b1+ch to keep your balance and pull that much compression
through. I didn't say it was easy, and I didn't say I recommend it to
everybody, but imho you should at least consider it for anything you fly on
a regular basis.

The O-470 in my 182 falls into that category, and I only did it once with
proper training to prove to myself I knew how to do it. I can't see walking
out of east BF egypt airpatch because I stupidly left the master on and
there is no other way out.

Jim




"Marco Leon" > wrote in message
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> wrote:
>> I do glider tow operations and taildraggers. We recommend NOT
>> hand-propping anything with more than 200 hp.
>>
> Why?? Does it start too fast to get out of the way?
>
> Marco
>

Stan Prevost[_1_]
July 15th 06, 05:05 AM
"Brock Boss" > wrote in message
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> That's easy enough to remove. I unclamp the line, drain it, and re-clamp.


Is that an allowable owner/pilot action?

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