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Anybody else have this great GPS? I just got the new updates with
private airports and all, but it keeps crashing. I also was hoping to
add weather to it somehow.

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> wrote:
> Anybody else have this great GPS? I just got the new updates with
> private airports and all, but it keeps crashing. I also was hoping to
> add weather to it somehow.

Yes, I have one with all the latest updates and have no problems.

Which CF card do you have?

If it is the 128M card you need to upgrade to the 256M card for all
the latest features.

If you already have the 256M card, call them for support; something
is wrong.

--
Jim Pennino

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I guess I will call them. It's a great GPS, has everything you could
think of for any pilot. I shoot approaches and can quickly change
between them if something changes. Quite handy. Just want the weather,
or better reception on my cell phone at 2500 or above.
Patrick


wrote:
> > wrote:
> > Anybody else have this great GPS? I just got the new updates with
> > private airports and all, but it keeps crashing. I also was hoping to
> > add weather to it somehow.
>
> Yes, I have one with all the latest updates and have no problems.
>
> Which CF card do you have?
>
> If it is the 128M card you need to upgrade to the 256M card for all
> the latest features.
>
> If you already have the 256M card, call them for support; something
> is wrong.
>
> --
> Jim Pennino
>
> Remove .spam.sux to reply.

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On 16-Jul-2006, " > wrote:

> Just want the weather,
> or better reception on my cell phone at 2500 or above.


I am not sure how your cellphone fits in here, but you DO know that using it
in flight is illegal, right? Trying to make or receive a call at altitude
will likely cause serious interference and/or call drops for many others
trying to use the cellphone network in the general area. Besides which, in
most cases a digital phone won't work at altitudes much above 2000 feet AGL.

If you are talking about using your phone to call the FSS for weather while
enroute, that's what Flight Watch is for.

-Elliott Drucker

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Jokes


wrote:
> On 16-Jul-2006, " > wrote:
>
> > Just want the weather,
> > or better reception on my cell phone at 2500 or above.
>
>
> I am not sure how your cellphone fits in here, but you DO know that using it
> in flight is illegal, right? Trying to make or receive a call at altitude
> will likely cause serious interference and/or call drops for many others
> trying to use the cellphone network in the general area. Besides which, in
> most cases a digital phone won't work at altitudes much above 2000 feet AGL.
>
> If you are talking about using your phone to call the FSS for weather while
> enroute, that's what Flight Watch is for.
>
> -Elliott Drucker

[Thomas Borchert]

> Trying to make or receive a call at altitude
> will likely cause serious interference and/or call drops for many others
> trying to use the cellphone network in the general area.
>

You got a source for that? I'm not doubting it's illegal, but I'd like to
see a study supporting your claim.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[Denny]

Ellliot, it is interesting that you are so sure...
Answer me this: You are on the peak of Mt. Ranier and you call your
sweetie to announce that you have sucessfully climbed the mountain and
you are not in the least surprised that it works (mountain climbers use
cell phones all the time)... Yet when I call from my plane, tens of
thousands of feet lower in altitude, you are sure it won't work and you
are sure it is not legal... hmmm?

denny

[Jonathan Goodish]

In article om>,
"Denny" > wrote:
> Ellliot, it is interesting that you are so sure...
> Answer me this: You are on the peak of Mt. Ranier and you call your
> sweetie to announce that you have sucessfully climbed the mountain and
> you are not in the least surprised that it works (mountain climbers use
> cell phones all the time)... Yet when I call from my plane, tens of
> thousands of feet lower in altitude, you are sure it won't work and you
> are sure it is not legal... hmmm?

Technical issues aside, unless something has changed very recently,
inflight use of a mobile phone is illegal according to FCC regulations.

In the PCS band, I never seem to have much of a signal while airborne.



JKG

[Bob Fry]

>>>>> "ed" == e drucker > writes:

ed> I am not sure how your cellphone fits in here, but you DO know
ed> that using it in flight is illegal

Using a digital PCS phone in flight is not illegal so long as the PIC
determines it doesn't interfere with any flight or nav instruments.
Using an older AMPS cellphone is illegal.

[Jonathan Goodish]

In article >,
Bob Fry > wrote:
> ed> I am not sure how your cellphone fits in here, but you DO know
> ed> that using it in flight is illegal
>
> Using a digital PCS phone in flight is not illegal so long as the PIC
> determines it doesn't interfere with any flight or nav instruments.
> Using an older AMPS cellphone is illegal.


When did the FCC repeal this prohibition?



JKG

[T[_1_]]

"Jonathan Goodish" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> Bob Fry > wrote:
>> ed> I am not sure how your cellphone fits in here, but you DO know
>> ed> that using it in flight is illegal
>>
>> Using a digital PCS phone in flight is not illegal so long as the PIC
>> determines it doesn't interfere with any flight or nav instruments.
>> Using an older AMPS cellphone is illegal.
>
>
> When did the FCC repeal this prohibition?
>
>
>
> JKG

Operations
Aircraft Usage


Section 22.925 of the Commission's rules, 47 CFR Part 22, provides that
cellular telephones installed in, or carried aboard airplanes, balloons, or
any other type of aircraft, must not be operated while the aircraft is off
the ground. The following notice must be posted on or near each cellular
telephone installed in any aircraft: "The use of cellular telephones while
this aircraft is airborne is prohibited by FCC rules, and the violation of
this rule could result in suspension of service and/or a fine. The use of
cellular telephones while this aircraft is on the ground is subject to FAA
regulations."
However, the Commission has granted AirCell, Inc. (AirCell) and certain
participating cellular carriers limited waivers of Section 22.925, to allow
the use of AirCell equipment while airborne, subject to certain conditions.
The AirCell equipment, which includes a modified cellular mobile telephone
and specially designed aircraft antenna, is designed to avoid causing
significant interference to terrestrial cellular systems.
Pursuant to appeals filed by certain cellular licensees opposing the
Commission's grant of such waivers, the United States Court of Appeals for
the D.C. Circuit rejected petitioners' claim that the Commission's grant of
the waivers unlawfully modified their licenses, but remanded the case to the
Commission to further explain certain of the technical grounds for its
decision. See AT&T Wireless Services, Inc., v. FCC, 270 F.3d 959 (D.C. Cir.
2001). This remand, as well as a separate request by AirCell to extend the
duration of the waivers, are currently pending before the Commission.
Section 91.21 of the FAA rules (14. C.F.R. 91.21) prohibits the use of (with
some exceptions) portable electronic devices while on board U.S. registered
civil aircraft operated by the holder of an air carrier operating
certificate, or operating certificate, or any other aircraft operated under
instrument flight rules. The FAA has issued an advisory circular offering
information and guidance for assistance in compliance with Section 91.21.

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On 17-Jul-2006, Bob Fry > wrote:

> Using a digital PCS phone in flight is not illegal so long as the PIC
> determines it doesn't interfere with any flight or nav instruments.
> Using an older AMPS cellphone is illegal.


WRONG!!!

Use of ANY ordinary cellphone while in flight is prohibited. The exception
as of today is that AirCell phones (which use analog technology) are allowed
under a special FCC waiver. (For more technical info on AirCell, see:
http://www.wirelessweek.com/article/CA5799.html?spacedesc=Technology)

The FCC has recently auctioned some spectrum intended for use in providing
air-to-ground links for commercial airliners. These will be used to connect
micro base stations within the airplane cabin with terrestrial networks.
Once these airborne base stations are deployed, passengers will be able to
use compatible cellphones in flight. Because connection will be to the base
station within the same airplane cabin, transmit power of both the base
station and the cellphone will be extremely low, so that they will not
interfere with terrestrial cellular networks. It is not clear whether the
operators of this airborne system will make it available to private
aircraft.

-Elliott Drucker

[Jonathan Goodish]

Thanks for the reference that proves my point.


JKG

In article >, "T" >
wrote:

> "Jonathan Goodish" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > Bob Fry > wrote:
> >> ed> I am not sure how your cellphone fits in here, but you DO know
> >> ed> that using it in flight is illegal
> >>
> >> Using a digital PCS phone in flight is not illegal so long as the PIC
> >> determines it doesn't interfere with any flight or nav instruments.
> >> Using an older AMPS cellphone is illegal.
> >
> >
> > When did the FCC repeal this prohibition?
> >
> >
> >
> > JKG
>
> Operations
> Aircraft Usage
>
>
> Section 22.925 of the Commission's rules, 47 CFR Part 22, provides that
> cellular telephones installed in, or carried aboard airplanes, balloons, or
> any other type of aircraft, must not be operated while the aircraft is off
> the ground. The following notice must be posted on or near each cellular
> telephone installed in any aircraft: "The use of cellular telephones while
> this aircraft is airborne is prohibited by FCC rules, and the violation of
> this rule could result in suspension of service and/or a fine. The use of
> cellular telephones while this aircraft is on the ground is subject to FAA
> regulations."
> However, the Commission has granted AirCell, Inc. (AirCell) and certain
> participating cellular carriers limited waivers of Section 22.925, to allow
> the use of AirCell equipment while airborne, subject to certain conditions.
> The AirCell equipment, which includes a modified cellular mobile telephone
> and specially designed aircraft antenna, is designed to avoid causing
> significant interference to terrestrial cellular systems.
> Pursuant to appeals filed by certain cellular licensees opposing the
> Commission's grant of such waivers, the United States Court of Appeals for
> the D.C. Circuit rejected petitioners' claim that the Commission's grant of
> the waivers unlawfully modified their licenses, but remanded the case to the
> Commission to further explain certain of the technical grounds for its
> decision. See AT&T Wireless Services, Inc., v. FCC, 270 F.3d 959 (D.C. Cir.
> 2001). This remand, as well as a separate request by AirCell to extend the
> duration of the waivers, are currently pending before the Commission.
> Section 91.21 of the FAA rules (14. C.F.R. 91.21) prohibits the use of (with
> some exceptions) portable electronic devices while on board U.S. registered
> civil aircraft operated by the holder of an air carrier operating
> certificate, or operating certificate, or any other aircraft operated under
> instrument flight rules. The FAA has issued an advisory circular offering
> information and guidance for assistance in compliance with Section 91.21.

[Bob Fry]

>>>>> "ed" == e drucker > writes:

ed> On 17-Jul-2006, Bob Fry > wrote:

>> Using a digital PCS phone in flight is not illegal so long as
>> the PIC determines it doesn't interfere with any flight or nav
>> instruments. Using an older AMPS cellphone is illegal.


ed> WRONG!!!

I believe you are wrong. To the FCC, cellular telephones and Personal
Communication Service (PCS) phones are two different things. Cellular
phones are banned from aircraft by the FCC; PCS phones are not
explicitly banned nor permitted. I suggest http://tinyurl.com/znp3w
as a good explanation and summary.

As far as the FAA, their regulations state:

§ 91.21 Portable electronic devices.

(a) Except as provided in paragraph (b) of this section, no person may
operate, nor may any operator or pilot in command of an aircraft allow
the operation of, any portable electronic device on any of the
following U.S.-registered civil aircraft:

(1) Aircraft operated by a holder of an air carrier operating
certificate or an operating certificate; or

(2) Any other aircraft while it is operated under IFR.

(b) Paragraph (a) of this section does not apply to--

(1) Portable voice recorders;

(2) Hearing aids;

(3) Heart pacemakers;

(4) Electric shavers; or

(5) Any other portable electronic device that the operator of the
aircraft has determined will not cause interference with the
navigation or communication system of the aircraft on which it is to
be used.

(c) In the case of an aircraft operated by a holder of an air carrier
operating certificate or an operating certificate, the determination
required by paragraph (b)(5) of this section shall be made by that
operator of the aircraft on which the particular device is to be
used. In the case of other aircraft, the determination may be made by
the pilot in command or other operator of the aircraft.

http://tinyurl.com/zz9j5

In other words, if you have a PCS mobile phone, and are sure it will
not switch to *cellular* service, and as operator of your aircraft you
have determined it will not cause interference with the navigation or
communication system of the aircraft on which it is to be used, *and*
you can get the damn thing to work--go for it.

N.B. A few weeks ago I gave an aquaintance a flight, and she wanted
to call her husband. Tried my phone first and it would connect for a
couple of seconds and quit. Tried her phone and it worked fine. I'm
thinking she may have had a phone and service provider that switched
to AMPS, which are said to work better in flight, and which, to be
sure, are not legal to use in flight.

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Peter > wrote:

> wrote

> >FYI club AvMap is essentially a subscription to updates at the interval
> >you choose and is a lot cheaper than buying individual updates if
> >you update more than once a year. It also gives you discounts on
> >accessories and your get 1 freebee when you subscribe/renew.
> >
> >Support in the US if first rate.

> Yes, it looks like AVMAP set up a special support/distribution network
> in the USA.

> American customers would never put up with the sh*t Europeans put up
> with.

> I was curious whether for example two Avmap users could share database
> updates, by duplicating the CF cards.

There's a lot more on the card than just the map.

But, if one wanted to do it, the update file is just a file you copy
to the card once the compressed version has been unlocked and expanded.

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Yea, I've plugged in the CF card into my computer. Just a bunch of big
files. If someone wanted to share. Anyone have the EKP-IV Pro upgrade
or thought about it?
Patrick



wrote:
> Peter > wrote:
>
> > wrote
>
> > >FYI club AvMap is essentially a subscription to updates at the interval
> > >you choose and is a lot cheaper than buying individual updates if
> > >you update more than once a year. It also gives you discounts on
> > >accessories and your get 1 freebee when you subscribe/renew.
> > >
> > >Support in the US if first rate.
>
> > Yes, it looks like AVMAP set up a special support/distribution network
> > in the USA.
>
> > American customers would never put up with the sh*t Europeans put up
> > with.
>
> > I was curious whether for example two Avmap users could share database
> > updates, by duplicating the CF cards.
>
> There's a lot more on the card than just the map.
>
> But, if one wanted to do it, the update file is just a file you copy
> to the card once the compressed version has been unlocked and expanded.
>
> --
> Jim Pennino
>
> Remove .spam.sux to reply.