oil changes

[patrick]

anyone found a website about changing oil in a cessna 172? I've got a
172B and it's getting to that time for an oil change. I need to change
the oil from mineral to something else after my break in, is synthetic
good?
For anyone following, I found a cheap avionics place near RDU, as well
as a cheap hangar which I'll be moving into within the week.

Patrick

[john smith]

In article . com>,
"patrick" > wrote:

> anyone found a website about changing oil in a cessna 172? I've got a
> 172B and it's getting to that time for an oil change. I need to change
> the oil from mineral to something else after my break in, is synthetic
> good?
> For anyone following, I found a cheap avionics place near RDU, as well
> as a cheap hangar which I'll be moving into within the week.

Since you are asking about changing oil, my first question is, "How do
you know your engine is broken in?"
Has your oil consumption stabilized?
Have your cylinder head temperatures stabilized?
These are important questions if you are considering using
synthetic/semi-synthetic oil.
If the engine is not fully broken in, switching to the
synthetic/semi-synthetic will further delay the process.

[Dave Butler[_1_]]

patrick wrote:

> For anyone following, I found a cheap avionics place near RDU, as well
> as a cheap hangar which I'll be moving into within the week.

Where's the hangar? DB

[Blanche Cohen]

And continuing the discussion --- do you have a copy of the parts
and maintenance manual for your aircraft? Safety wire? A bucket or
such into which the oil will drain? A way to dispose of the oil?

In the Piper maintenance manuals there is a detailed description
with pictures how to change the oil. I dunno about Cessna.

[houstondan]

for what it's worth, i'll be looking at my first oil change on my
'62-172-c soon and my plan is to get my a&p to walk me thru an oil
change and plug cleaning at my hanger with my tools etc. get me set up
to do it right. he knows that i'll lose interest soon as i understand
it and just have him do it. i don't think he'll charge too much extra
for my help.

dan



Dave Butler wrote:
> patrick wrote:
>
> > For anyone following, I found a cheap avionics place near RDU, as well
> > as a cheap hangar which I'll be moving into within the week.
>
> Where's the hangar? DB

[Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe]

"houstondan" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> for what it's worth, i'll be looking at my first oil change on my
> '62-172-c soon ...
<...>

First oil change? After 44 years? D00d! You are WAY overdue!

:-)


--
Geoff
The Sea Hawk at Wow Way d0t Com
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[Ron Natalie]

RST Engineering wrote:
> Oil change -- $50
>
> If you watch -- $75
>
> If you help -- $100
>
>
My mechanic doesn't charge extra for owner assist.
The first time I needed an oil change, she said bring
the plane over. I stood around and watched. The
next time I told her I needed an oil change, she said
bring the plane over, and she handed me a bucket, a
screwdriver and a case of oil.

She divides her customers into two groups: airplane
owners (who will do some amount of maintenance) and
those who are "just pilots."

[Javier]

> For anyone following, I found a cheap avionics place near RDU, as well
> as a cheap hangar which I'll be moving into within the week.

Which is the avionics shop, and at what airport did you find a cheap hangar?

-jav

[John Clonts]

> By the way, if you don't already have one on the engine, do yourself a
> favor, spend the $60 at Chief and get yourself a quick drain for the oil
> drain hole. jw
>

OH MAN you are right about THAT! Completely changed the way I think
about oil changes!!!

--
Cheers,
John Clonts
Temple, Texas
N7NZ

[darthpup]

Shell W100

[patrick]

Avionics shop is over at Causey (2A5), install rate is $45/hr. The
hangar is at Triple W (5W5) and hangar rent is $225. Piece of crap
airport, but finding a cheap hangar around RDU has been a tough task so
I'll take it. I get my plane back today from the shop, should be a real
nice stack now.
Patrick


Javier wrote:
> > For anyone following, I found a cheap avionics place near RDU, as well
> > as a cheap hangar which I'll be moving into within the week.
>
> Which is the avionics shop, and at what airport did you find a cheap hangar?
>
> -jav

[Dave Butler[_1_]]

patrick wrote:
> Avionics shop is over at Causey (2A5), install rate is $45/hr. The
> hangar is at Triple W (5W5) and hangar rent is $225. Piece of crap
> airport, but finding a cheap hangar around RDU has been a tough task so
> I'll take it. I get my plane back today from the shop, should be a real
> nice stack now.

Thanks for the info. I've heard good things about Causey's shop. They supposedly
have a Mooney specialist there. I'll be interested in hearing how you like the work.

Yeah, 5W5 is some piece of work. Been in there at night yet? Have you seen the
pictures of the flooding there after one of the hurricanes (Fran?)? IMO plan on
moving out of there if there's a hurricane coming.

Dave

[patrick]

dave
causey is real nice. real great people. donny is the mooney specialist,
knows what he's doin. if you hang around long enough you'll see their
jets come in and out-real impressive. work should be done shortly.
haven't been at 5w5 at night-any experience there? tell me all you know
please. haven't seen the pictures of flooding, if you have any i'd be
real interested in seeing them. my insurance stipulates i have to leave
hurricane watch or warning areas, so I will be sure to leave 5w5. i've
been wondering lately on flying out of the country. whats the deal with
flying to the bahamas? obviously cuba is embargoed, but the other
nearby caribbean countries. thanks
patrick


Dave Butler wrote:
> patrick wrote:
> > Avionics shop is over at Causey (2A5), install rate is $45/hr. The
> > hangar is at Triple W (5W5) and hangar rent is $225. Piece of crap
> > airport, but finding a cheap hangar around RDU has been a tough task so
> > I'll take it. I get my plane back today from the shop, should be a real
> > nice stack now.
>
> Thanks for the info. I've heard good things about Causey's shop. They supposedly
> have a Mooney specialist there. I'll be interested in hearing how you like the work.
>
> Yeah, 5W5 is some piece of work. Been in there at night yet? Have you seen the
> pictures of the flooding there after one of the hurricanes (Fran?)? IMO plan on
> moving out of there if there's a hurricane coming.
>
> Dave

[patrick]

dave
causey is real nice. real great people. donny is the mooney specialist,
knows what he's doin. if you hang around long enough you'll see their
jets come in and out-real impressive. work should be done shortly.
haven't been at 5w5 at night-any experience there? tell me all you know
please. haven't seen the pictures of flooding, if you have any i'd be
real interested in seeing them. my insurance stipulates i have to leave
hurricane watch or warning areas, so I will be sure to leave 5w5. i've
been wondering lately on flying out of the country. whats the deal with
flying to the bahamas? obviously cuba is embargoed, but the other
nearby caribbean countries. thanks
patrick


Dave Butler wrote:
> patrick wrote:
> > Avionics shop is over at Causey (2A5), install rate is $45/hr. The
> > hangar is at Triple W (5W5) and hangar rent is $225. Piece of crap
> > airport, but finding a cheap hangar around RDU has been a tough task so
> > I'll take it. I get my plane back today from the shop, should be a real
> > nice stack now.
>
> Thanks for the info. I've heard good things about Causey's shop. They supposedly
> have a Mooney specialist there. I'll be interested in hearing how you like the work.
>
> Yeah, 5W5 is some piece of work. Been in there at night yet? Have you seen the
> pictures of the flooding there after one of the hurricanes (Fran?)? IMO plan on
> moving out of there if there's a hurricane coming.
>
> Dave

[patrick]

dave
causey is real nice. real great people. donny is the mooney specialist,
knows what he's doin. if you hang around long enough you'll see their
jets come in and out-real impressive. work should be done shortly.
haven't been at 5w5 at night-any experience there? tell me all you know
please. haven't seen the pictures of flooding, if you have any i'd be
real interested in seeing them. my insurance stipulates i have to leave
hurricane watch or warning areas, so I will be sure to leave 5w5. i've
been wondering lately on flying out of the country. whats the deal with
flying to the bahamas? obviously cuba is embargoed, but the other
nearby caribbean countries. thanks
patrick


Dave Butler wrote:
> patrick wrote:
> > Avionics shop is over at Causey (2A5), install rate is $45/hr. The
> > hangar is at Triple W (5W5) and hangar rent is $225. Piece of crap
> > airport, but finding a cheap hangar around RDU has been a tough task so
> > I'll take it. I get my plane back today from the shop, should be a real
> > nice stack now.
>
> Thanks for the info. I've heard good things about Causey's shop. They supposedly
> have a Mooney specialist there. I'll be interested in hearing how you like the work.
>
> Yeah, 5W5 is some piece of work. Been in there at night yet? Have you seen the
> pictures of the flooding there after one of the hurricanes (Fran?)? IMO plan on
> moving out of there if there's a hurricane coming.
>
> Dave

[Dave Butler[_1_]]

Hi Patrick,

It's been a long time since I've been into 5W5 at night. I'm a RDU kind of guy,
and tend to avoid the short, obstructed, etc. airports. Your comfort zone may be
different from mine. What I remember is nonstandard runway markings, nonstandard
lighting, and the trees under the approach. Those trees are enough to raise my
pucker factor in broad daylight. IIRC the lights are only on part of the runway,
no lights toward the south end at all.

I couldn't find any pictures of the flooding, but if I can find them, I'll put
them somewhere for you. Not sure whether it was hurricane Fran or Floyd, but one
of them put the airport under several feet of water. There was a nearby dam that
burst.

Hurricanes and airplanes can make for strange stories. I think it was Hugo, the
only airplane damaged at the RDU airport was one that had been flown in from
Wilmington to get it out of the way of the hurricane. There have been hangars
that collapsed on top of airplanes that were hastily hangared to keep them safe.
You never know.

Haven't flown myself to Bahamas yet, but it's on my list of things to do.

Thanks for the info on Causey.

Dave

patrick wrote:
> dave
> causey is real nice. real great people. donny is the mooney specialist,
> knows what he's doin. if you hang around long enough you'll see their
> jets come in and out-real impressive. work should be done shortly.
> haven't been at 5w5 at night-any experience there? tell me all you know
> please. haven't seen the pictures of flooding, if you have any i'd be
> real interested in seeing them. my insurance stipulates i have to leave
> hurricane watch or warning areas, so I will be sure to leave 5w5. i've
> been wondering lately on flying out of the country. whats the deal with
> flying to the bahamas? obviously cuba is embargoed, but the other
> nearby caribbean countries. thanks
> patrick
>
>
> Dave Butler wrote:
>
>>patrick wrote:
>>
>>>Avionics shop is over at Causey (2A5), install rate is $45/hr. The
>>>hangar is at Triple W (5W5) and hangar rent is $225. Piece of crap
>>>airport, but finding a cheap hangar around RDU has been a tough task so
>>>I'll take it. I get my plane back today from the shop, should be a real
>>>nice stack now.
>>
>>Thanks for the info. I've heard good things about Causey's shop. They supposedly
>>have a Mooney specialist there. I'll be interested in hearing how you like the work.
>>
>>Yeah, 5W5 is some piece of work. Been in there at night yet? Have you seen the
>>pictures of the flooding there after one of the hurricanes (Fran?)? IMO plan on
>>moving out of there if there's a hurricane coming.
>>
>>Dave
>
>


--
Dave Butler, software engineer 919-392-4367

[Robert M. Gary]

Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe wrote:
> First oil change? After 44 years? D00d! You are WAY overdue!

There's an operator in Alaska who only changes oil at overhaul. He
swears by it and was the subject of some research about 10 years back.
Not sure what the results were but he claimed to be able to reach TBO
much easier on the original oil.

-Robert

[patrick]

I have an update to my avionics install at Causey. It's now been 8
weeks-and still not done. The mechanics at Causey are amazing-pushing
planes in and out everyday with great speed. Avionics on the other
hand, I've never seen molasses move so slowly. When I was told the
plane would be ready today at 1pm, I get a call at 11am saying-well,
there are some problems, maybe this coming friday. This is what I've
heard every week for the past 4 weeks. I'm starting to think I should
put my plane in a museum becuase I'll never be able to fly it again. In
other news, I found a hangar at Johnston County for $275. It's quite
nice-motorized door, no flooding problems like 5W5. Plus, the airport
has an ILS, a mile long runway, quite a nice place. Hope everyone else
is having fun flying their planes.
Patrick



Dave Butler wrote:
> Hi Patrick,
>
> It's been a long time since I've been into 5W5 at night. I'm a RDU kind of guy,
> and tend to avoid the short, obstructed, etc. airports. Your comfort zone may be
> different from mine. What I remember is nonstandard runway markings, nonstandard
> lighting, and the trees under the approach. Those trees are enough to raise my
> pucker factor in broad daylight. IIRC the lights are only on part of the runway,
> no lights toward the south end at all.
>
> I couldn't find any pictures of the flooding, but if I can find them, I'll put
> them somewhere for you. Not sure whether it was hurricane Fran or Floyd, but one
> of them put the airport under several feet of water. There was a nearby dam that
> burst.
>
> Hurricanes and airplanes can make for strange stories. I think it was Hugo, the
> only airplane damaged at the RDU airport was one that had been flown in from
> Wilmington to get it out of the way of the hurricane. There have been hangars
> that collapsed on top of airplanes that were hastily hangared to keep them safe.
> You never know.
>
> Haven't flown myself to Bahamas yet, but it's on my list of things to do.
>
> Thanks for the info on Causey.
>
> Dave
>
> patrick wrote:
> > dave
> > causey is real nice. real great people. donny is the mooney specialist,
> > knows what he's doin. if you hang around long enough you'll see their
> > jets come in and out-real impressive. work should be done shortly.
> > haven't been at 5w5 at night-any experience there? tell me all you know
> > please. haven't seen the pictures of flooding, if you have any i'd be
> > real interested in seeing them. my insurance stipulates i have to leave
> > hurricane watch or warning areas, so I will be sure to leave 5w5. i've
> > been wondering lately on flying out of the country. whats the deal with
> > flying to the bahamas? obviously cuba is embargoed, but the other
> > nearby caribbean countries. thanks
> > patrick
> >
> >
> > Dave Butler wrote:
> >
> >>patrick wrote:
> >>
> >>>Avionics shop is over at Causey (2A5), install rate is $45/hr. The
> >>>hangar is at Triple W (5W5) and hangar rent is $225. Piece of crap
> >>>airport, but finding a cheap hangar around RDU has been a tough task so
> >>>I'll take it. I get my plane back today from the shop, should be a real
> >>>nice stack now.
> >>
> >>Thanks for the info. I've heard good things about Causey's shop. They supposedly
> >>have a Mooney specialist there. I'll be interested in hearing how you like the work.
> >>
> >>Yeah, 5W5 is some piece of work. Been in there at night yet? Have you seen the
> >>pictures of the flooding there after one of the hurricanes (Fran?)? IMO plan on
> >>moving out of there if there's a hurricane coming.
> >>
> >>Dave
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Dave Butler, software engineer 919-392-4367

[Roy N5804F[_1_]]

Patrick,
You are a very patient guy.
I would have had the bird out of there 4 weeks ago and left them a bill for
inconvenience.
We need to weed those type of operators out of the industry !

In comparison, I just had a complete Avionic refit in the Archer done in
Michigan.
New Garmin GMA340, GNS530, GTX327 and a Dacint GDC31 interfaced to the
Century IIB AP.
We flew the Archer into Mayday Avionics, Inc at KGRR on Monday August 21 and
flew it out, IFR certified on Thursday 31st Aug.
And they also did a great job of overhauling the Century IIB done before and
waiting for the new avionics install.
I can't speak highly enough about their professionalism and attention to
detail while keeping right on schedule at a competitive cost.

--
Roy
Piper Archer N5804F
Beloit, OH



"patrick" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>I have an update to my avionics install at Causey. It's now been 8
> weeks-and still not done. The mechanics at Causey are amazing-pushing
> planes in and out everyday with great speed. Avionics on the other
> hand, I've never seen molasses move so slowly. When I was told the
> plane would be ready today at 1pm, I get a call at 11am saying-well,
> there are some problems, maybe this coming friday. This is what I've
> heard every week for the past 4 weeks. I'm starting to think I should
> put my plane in a museum becuase I'll never be able to fly it again. In
> other news, I found a hangar at Johnston County for $275. It's quite
> nice-motorized door, no flooding problems like 5W5. Plus, the airport
> has an ILS, a mile long runway, quite a nice place. Hope everyone else
> is having fun flying their planes.
> Patrick
>
>
>
> Dave Butler wrote:
>> Hi Patrick,
>>
>> It's been a long time since I've been into 5W5 at night. I'm a RDU kind
>> of guy,
>> and tend to avoid the short, obstructed, etc. airports. Your comfort zone
>> may be
>> different from mine. What I remember is nonstandard runway markings,
>> nonstandard
>> lighting, and the trees under the approach. Those trees are enough to
>> raise my
>> pucker factor in broad daylight. IIRC the lights are only on part of the
>> runway,
>> no lights toward the south end at all.
>>
>> I couldn't find any pictures of the flooding, but if I can find them,
>> I'll put
>> them somewhere for you. Not sure whether it was hurricane Fran or Floyd,
>> but one
>> of them put the airport under several feet of water. There was a nearby
>> dam that
>> burst.
>>
>> Hurricanes and airplanes can make for strange stories. I think it was
>> Hugo, the
>> only airplane damaged at the RDU airport was one that had been flown in
>> from
>> Wilmington to get it out of the way of the hurricane. There have been
>> hangars
>> that collapsed on top of airplanes that were hastily hangared to keep
>> them safe.
>> You never know.
>>
>> Haven't flown myself to Bahamas yet, but it's on my list of things to do.
>>
>> Thanks for the info on Causey.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> patrick wrote:
>> > dave
>> > causey is real nice. real great people. donny is the mooney specialist,
>> > knows what he's doin. if you hang around long enough you'll see their
>> > jets come in and out-real impressive. work should be done shortly.
>> > haven't been at 5w5 at night-any experience there? tell me all you know
>> > please. haven't seen the pictures of flooding, if you have any i'd be
>> > real interested in seeing them. my insurance stipulates i have to leave
>> > hurricane watch or warning areas, so I will be sure to leave 5w5. i've
>> > been wondering lately on flying out of the country. whats the deal with
>> > flying to the bahamas? obviously cuba is embargoed, but the other
>> > nearby caribbean countries. thanks
>> > patrick
>> >
>> >
>> > Dave Butler wrote:
>> >
>> >>patrick wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>Avionics shop is over at Causey (2A5), install rate is $45/hr. The
>> >>>hangar is at Triple W (5W5) and hangar rent is $225. Piece of crap
>> >>>airport, but finding a cheap hangar around RDU has been a tough task
>> >>>so
>> >>>I'll take it. I get my plane back today from the shop, should be a
>> >>>real
>> >>>nice stack now.
>> >>
>> >>Thanks for the info. I've heard good things about Causey's shop. They
>> >>supposedly
>> >>have a Mooney specialist there. I'll be interested in hearing how you
>> >>like the work.
>> >>
>> >>Yeah, 5W5 is some piece of work. Been in there at night yet? Have you
>> >>seen the
>> >>pictures of the flooding there after one of the hurricanes (Fran?)? IMO
>> >>plan on
>> >>moving out of there if there's a hurricane coming.
>> >>
>> >>Dave
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> Dave Butler, software engineer 919-392-4367
>

[Don Poitras]

patrick > wrote:
> I have an update to my avionics install at Causey. It's now been 8
> weeks-and still not done. The mechanics at Causey are amazing-pushing
> planes in and out everyday with great speed. Avionics on the other
> hand, I've never seen molasses move so slowly. When I was told the
> plane would be ready today at 1pm, I get a call at 11am saying-well,
> there are some problems, maybe this coming friday. This is what I've
> heard every week for the past 4 weeks. I'm starting to think I should
> put my plane in a museum becuase I'll never be able to fly it again. In
> other news, I found a hangar at Johnston County for $275.

I can't hear "hangar at Johnston County" without being reminded of certain
notable hangar tenants...

> It's quite
> nice-motorized door, no flooding problems like 5W5. Plus, the airport
> has an ILS, a mile long runway, quite a nice place. Hope everyone else
> is having fun flying their planes.
> Patrick

Sparkchasers at JNX does very good (I won't say cheap) avionics work.

--
Don Poitras k

[Dave Butler[_1_]]

Don Poitras wrote:
> patrick > wrote:
>
>>I have an update to my avionics install at Causey. It's now been 8
>>weeks-and still not done. The mechanics at Causey are amazing-pushing
>>planes in and out everyday with great speed. Avionics on the other
>>hand, I've never seen molasses move so slowly. When I was told the
>>plane would be ready today at 1pm, I get a call at 11am saying-well,
>>there are some problems, maybe this coming friday. This is what I've
>>heard every week for the past 4 weeks. I'm starting to think I should
>>put my plane in a museum becuase I'll never be able to fly it again. In
>>other news, I found a hangar at Johnston County for $275.

Thanks for the update on Causey. Hope you're flying again soon.

> I can't hear "hangar at Johnston County" without being reminded of certain
> notable hangar tenants...

;-)

>>It's quite
>>nice-motorized door, no flooding problems like 5W5. Plus, the airport
>>has an ILS, a mile long runway, quite a nice place. Hope everyone else
>>is having fun flying their planes.

JNX is great. Did my first solo there 18 years ago. I still visit often.

>>Patrick
>
>
> Sparkchasers at JNX does very good (I won't say cheap) avionics work.

A hearty amen to that (the quality and the expense).

Dave

[patrick]

Its crazy to hear others are also having the problem I am having with
the avionics. Fortunately, this week looks to be THE week, so I'll get
to pick it up on Sunday. Should be an interesting first flight in 8
weeks. Johnston County should be a great home for my bird, far enough
so I won't go flying everyday-and run up the fuel bill, but close
enough so I don't have to consider just driving to my destination. The
hangar rental isn't too bad either, considering it's distance from a
major airport.
Patrick
Now the proud owner of N7416X, as seen on the FAA registration
database.



Dave Butler wrote:
> Don Poitras wrote:
> > patrick > wrote:
> >
> >>I have an update to my avionics install at Causey. It's now been 8
> >>weeks-and still not done. The mechanics at Causey are amazing-pushing
> >>planes in and out everyday with great speed. Avionics on the other
> >>hand, I've never seen molasses move so slowly. When I was told the
> >>plane would be ready today at 1pm, I get a call at 11am saying-well,
> >>there are some problems, maybe this coming friday. This is what I've
> >>heard every week for the past 4 weeks. I'm starting to think I should
> >>put my plane in a museum becuase I'll never be able to fly it again. In
> >>other news, I found a hangar at Johnston County for $275.
>
> Thanks for the update on Causey. Hope you're flying again soon.
>
> > I can't hear "hangar at Johnston County" without being reminded of certain
> > notable hangar tenants...
>
> ;-)
>
> >>It's quite
> >>nice-motorized door, no flooding problems like 5W5. Plus, the airport
> >>has an ILS, a mile long runway, quite a nice place. Hope everyone else
> >>is having fun flying their planes.
>
> JNX is great. Did my first solo there 18 years ago. I still visit often.
>
> >>Patrick
> >
> >
> > Sparkchasers at JNX does very good (I won't say cheap) avionics work.
>
> A hearty amen to that (the quality and the expense).
>
> Dave