Dave Butler
August 6th 04, 01:34 PM
Andrew Sarangan wrote:
> Dave Butler > wrote in
> :
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>>Peter Duniho wrote:
>>
>>>"Magnus" > wrote in message
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>>>>91.173 states that you need an IFR flightplan and a clearance to
>>>>operate IFR in controlled airspace.
>>>>
>>>>What if you only want to fly around IFR in G airspace for the entire
>>>>flight? I don't see why you'd need to get a clearance void time or
>>>>anything, you could just takeoff and fly around without talking to
>>>>anyone.
>>>
>>>
>>>You are correct, there's no regulatory requirement to file a flight
>>>plan, or to have an ATC clearance, to operate IFR in Class G
>>>airspace.
>>>
>>>Whether this is *safe* to do so is open to debate. You would be very
>>>much relying on the "big sky" theory, along with hoping that no one
>>>else is doing the same thing you are.
>>>
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>>OK, I guess I have to jump in with my IFR in Class G story. Sorry if
>>I've posted this before.
>>
>>I was in Manteo, NC (MQI) and wanted to go to Hatteras, NC (HSE). Both
>>are located on the coast and the route can be chosen to be entirely
>>over water, so that there's no concern about obstructions.
>>
>>On this day the ceiling was not a factor, but the visibility was below
>>VFR minima, let's say 2-3 miles. That's not too unusual for a summer
>>day in this part of the country. With that much visibility, I was able
>>to keep the shoreline in sight for navigation. I also had a ham
>>sandwich on board.
>>
>>I was in the Mooney, and I chose to operate with low power to keep the
>>airspeed down. About 20 inchees gives me about 120 knots. The lower
>>airspeed gave me a little more margin for see-and-avoid. I also
>>broadcast my position from time to time on 122.9, as is the custom
>>along the NC outer banks. I kept the landing light on.
>>
>>I happened to be alone, and I think if I'd had passengers, that would
>>have been a factor in the go/no-go decision. I'm willing to take on a
>>little more risk when I'm alone.
>>
>>I guess I could have filed a VFR flight plan, but I didn't on this
>>occasion. Seems a little odd to file a VFR flight plan for a flight
>>that's not in VFR conditions, but that would have given me SAR if I
>>had needed it.
>>
>>The trip was uneventful, and I'd do it again without hesitation, given
>>the same conditions.
>>
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> I am not sure if I understand. 2-3 mile visibility is VFR in class G.
>
Quite so. This was also pointed out by Bob Moore. The whole thread was a
brain-fart on my part. You may now resume your normal r.a.i programming.
> Dave Butler > wrote in
> :
>
>
>>Peter Duniho wrote:
>>
>>>"Magnus" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>
>>>>91.173 states that you need an IFR flightplan and a clearance to
>>>>operate IFR in controlled airspace.
>>>>
>>>>What if you only want to fly around IFR in G airspace for the entire
>>>>flight? I don't see why you'd need to get a clearance void time or
>>>>anything, you could just takeoff and fly around without talking to
>>>>anyone.
>>>
>>>
>>>You are correct, there's no regulatory requirement to file a flight
>>>plan, or to have an ATC clearance, to operate IFR in Class G
>>>airspace.
>>>
>>>Whether this is *safe* to do so is open to debate. You would be very
>>>much relying on the "big sky" theory, along with hoping that no one
>>>else is doing the same thing you are.
>>>
>>
>>OK, I guess I have to jump in with my IFR in Class G story. Sorry if
>>I've posted this before.
>>
>>I was in Manteo, NC (MQI) and wanted to go to Hatteras, NC (HSE). Both
>>are located on the coast and the route can be chosen to be entirely
>>over water, so that there's no concern about obstructions.
>>
>>On this day the ceiling was not a factor, but the visibility was below
>>VFR minima, let's say 2-3 miles. That's not too unusual for a summer
>>day in this part of the country. With that much visibility, I was able
>>to keep the shoreline in sight for navigation. I also had a ham
>>sandwich on board.
>>
>>I was in the Mooney, and I chose to operate with low power to keep the
>>airspeed down. About 20 inchees gives me about 120 knots. The lower
>>airspeed gave me a little more margin for see-and-avoid. I also
>>broadcast my position from time to time on 122.9, as is the custom
>>along the NC outer banks. I kept the landing light on.
>>
>>I happened to be alone, and I think if I'd had passengers, that would
>>have been a factor in the go/no-go decision. I'm willing to take on a
>>little more risk when I'm alone.
>>
>>I guess I could have filed a VFR flight plan, but I didn't on this
>>occasion. Seems a little odd to file a VFR flight plan for a flight
>>that's not in VFR conditions, but that would have given me SAR if I
>>had needed it.
>>
>>The trip was uneventful, and I'd do it again without hesitation, given
>>the same conditions.
>>
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> I am not sure if I understand. 2-3 mile visibility is VFR in class G.
>
Quite so. This was also pointed out by Bob Moore. The whole thread was a
brain-fart on my part. You may now resume your normal r.a.i programming.