DEN touch n go without a fee?

[Ron Lee]

I am having problems getting a good answer whether landing fees apply
to a GA plane doing a single touch n go at Denver. Does anyone here
have official/real-life info? The FAA will let me do it but at a
possible $40-$95 I won't.

Ron Lee

[john smith]

In article >,
(Ron Lee) wrote:

> I am having problems getting a good answer whether landing fees apply
> to a GA plane doing a single touch n go at Denver. Does anyone here
> have official/real-life info? The FAA will let me do it but at a
> possible $40-$95 I won't.

Whoever owns/operates the airport accesses the fees.

[Gig 601XL Builder]

"Ron Lee" > wrote in message
...
>I am having problems getting a good answer whether landing fees apply
> to a GA plane doing a single touch n go at Denver. Does anyone here
> have official/real-life info? The FAA will let me do it but at a
> possible $40-$95 I won't.
>
> Ron Lee


Give 'em a call or e-mail

Airport Information (303) 342-2000 or (800) AIR2DEN

[Jim Macklin]

Use the N number of somebody you don't like, if there is a
bill, they'll get it.


Just kidding.




"Gig 601XL Builder" <wrDOTgiaconaATcox.net> wrote in message
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| "Ron Lee" > wrote in message
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| >I am having problems getting a good answer whether
landing fees apply
| > to a GA plane doing a single touch n go at Denver.
Does anyone here
| > have official/real-life info? The FAA will let me do
it but at a
| > possible $40-$95 I won't.
| >
| > Ron Lee
|
|
| Give 'em a call or e-mail
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| Airport Information (303) 342-2000 or (800) AIR2DEN

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|

[Emily[_1_]]

Ron Lee wrote:
> I am having problems getting a good answer whether landing fees apply
> to a GA plane doing a single touch n go at Denver. Does anyone here
> have official/real-life info? The FAA will let me do it but at a
> possible $40-$95 I won't.
>
> Ron Lee

No real life info for DEN, but the "official" answer I got at ORD was,
"We can't charge you if we don't know who to charge." Might be the same.

[Ron Lee]

Emily > wrote:

>Ron Lee wrote:
>> I am having problems getting a good answer whether landing fees apply
>> to a GA plane doing a single touch n go at Denver. Does anyone here
>> have official/real-life info? The FAA will let me do it but at a
>> possible $40-$95 I won't.
>>
>> Ron Lee
>
>No real life info for DEN, but the "official" answer I got at ORD was,
>"We can't charge you if we don't know who to charge." Might be the same.

That may be the answer yet when I provide my REAL N number it is
linked to me in the FAA database. Now if the feds don't provide that
to the city I am home free.

Ron Lee

[Emily[_1_]]

Ron Lee wrote:
> Emily > wrote:
>
>> Ron Lee wrote:
>>> I am having problems getting a good answer whether landing fees apply
>>> to a GA plane doing a single touch n go at Denver. Does anyone here
>>> have official/real-life info? The FAA will let me do it but at a
>>> possible $40-$95 I won't.
>>>
>>> Ron Lee
>> No real life info for DEN, but the "official" answer I got at ORD was,
>> "We can't charge you if we don't know who to charge." Might be the same.
>
> That may be the answer yet when I provide my REAL N number it is
> linked to me in the FAA database. Now if the feds don't provide that
> to the city I am home free.
>
> Ron Lee
>
Yeah, this was a rental situation. I do know that I was never charged a
landing fee at CVG and was told over and over again that there was one.
Again, I think they just didn't know who to charge.

[john smith]

In article >,
Emily > wrote:

> Ron Lee wrote:
> > Emily > wrote:
> >
> >> Ron Lee wrote:
> >>> I am having problems getting a good answer whether landing fees apply
> >>> to a GA plane doing a single touch n go at Denver. Does anyone here
> >>> have official/real-life info? The FAA will let me do it but at a
> >>> possible $40-$95 I won't.
> >>>
> >>> Ron Lee
> >> No real life info for DEN, but the "official" answer I got at ORD was,
> >> "We can't charge you if we don't know who to charge." Might be the same.
> >
> > That may be the answer yet when I provide my REAL N number it is
> > linked to me in the FAA database. Now if the feds don't provide that
> > to the city I am home free.
> >
> > Ron Lee
> >
> Yeah, this was a rental situation. I do know that I was never charged a
> landing fee at CVG and was told over and over again that there was one.
> Again, I think they just didn't know who to charge.

CLE bills the registered owner.
Just make certain you are not on a prefiled instrument flight plan so
you cannot be tracked by flightaware or flightexplorer.

[Emily[_1_]]

john smith wrote:
> In article >,
> Emily > wrote:
>
>> Ron Lee wrote:
>>> Emily > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ron Lee wrote:
>>>>> I am having problems getting a good answer whether landing fees apply
>>>>> to a GA plane doing a single touch n go at Denver. Does anyone here
>>>>> have official/real-life info? The FAA will let me do it but at a
>>>>> possible $40-$95 I won't.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ron Lee
>>>> No real life info for DEN, but the "official" answer I got at ORD was,
>>>> "We can't charge you if we don't know who to charge." Might be the same.
>>> That may be the answer yet when I provide my REAL N number it is
>>> linked to me in the FAA database. Now if the feds don't provide that
>>> to the city I am home free.
>>>
>>> Ron Lee
>>>
>> Yeah, this was a rental situation. I do know that I was never charged a
>> landing fee at CVG and was told over and over again that there was one.
>> Again, I think they just didn't know who to charge.
>
> CLE bills the registered owner.
> Just make certain you are not on a prefiled instrument flight plan so
> you cannot be tracked by flightaware or flightexplorer.

Not sure I'd want to fly int any of the high landing fee airports VFR...

[Ron Lee]

Emily > wrote:

>Not sure I'd want to fly int any of the high landing fee airports VFR...

Why is that if visibility is 50 plus miles?

Ron Lee

[Jon Woellhaf]

I did one -- a stop and go, actually -- a couple years ago. It was at about
0100, however. It's a bit hard to land on a runway that has thousands of
lights everywhere on it. <g> I've done a couple others at DEN late at night,
also. Never a fee.

"Ron Lee" > wrote in message
...
>I am having problems getting a good answer whether landing fees apply
> to a GA plane doing a single touch n go at Denver. Does anyone here
> have official/real-life info? The FAA will let me do it but at a
> possible $40-$95 I won't.
>
> Ron Lee

[Marty Shapiro]

Emily > wrote in
:

>
> Not sure I'd want to fly int any of the high landing fee airports
> VFR...

Join Angel Flight. No fees if you are on an Angel Flight mission.

--
Marty Shapiro
Silicon Rallye Inc.

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[Marty Shapiro]

john smith > wrote in

:


>
> CLE bills the registered owner.
> Just make certain you are not on a prefiled instrument flight plan so
> you cannot be tracked by flightaware or flightexplorer.

If you have a squawk code, they will track you. Makes no difference
if you are IFR, VFR, or have a prefiled flight plan. Using whatever San
Jose International Airport's web pages pointed to at the time (I think it
was FlightAware), I once reviewed a flight where I transited Norcal
Approach's airspace VFR, including a clearance through the SFO B. I was
able to track my flight from just south of Hollister almost to its
destination, Santa Rosa. My entire flight was VFR from DAG to STS and I
requested radar services and received a squawk code shortly after takeoff
from DAG when I got into Joshua Approach's radar coverage range.

--
Marty Shapiro
Silicon Rallye Inc.

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[Travis Marlatte]

How would they not know who to charge? The tower will have your N number.
The registered owner will get the bill. They don't need to know who was
flying. They don't need to track you home. The FAA database is public. Even
the hidden registrations are available to the tower - although it might take
a phone call.

The more likely scenario for free landing at a high use airport is to go in
when nothing is going on. Like 1am. If you ask nicely for the clearance and
sound somewhat professional, chances are, they won't bother to fill out the
paperwork.

--
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Travis
Lake N3094P
PWK

"Emily" > wrote in message
. ..
> Ron Lee wrote:
>> I am having problems getting a good answer whether landing fees apply
>> to a GA plane doing a single touch n go at Denver. Does anyone here
>> have official/real-life info? The FAA will let me do it but at a
>> possible $40-$95 I won't.
>>
>> Ron Lee
>
> No real life info for DEN, but the "official" answer I got at ORD was, "We
> can't charge you if we don't know who to charge." Might be the same.

[Emily[_1_]]

Ron Lee wrote:
> Emily > wrote:
>
>> Not sure I'd want to fly int any of the high landing fee airports VFR...
>
> Why is that if visibility is 50 plus miles?
>
> Ron Lee
>
I just feel more comfortable flying IFR into large airports...well, any
airport, really. My VFR skills have taken a nosedive in the past
several years.

[Ron Natalie]

Travis Marlatte wrote:

>
> The more likely scenario for free landing at a high use airport is to go in
> when nothing is going on. Like 1am. If you ask nicely for the clearance and
> sound somewhat professional, chances are, they won't bother to fill out the
> paperwork.
>
Don't know about DEN, but at IAD and DCA you don't owe any landing fee
unless you leave the movement area. Frankly, at IAD I can tell you
that it's even looser than that. The operators collect the fee. For
a while when I was based there, I neglected to tell the FBO that I had
come and gone. I assumed I'd just get the landing fees on my montly
bill with the parking and fuel charges. Turns out that since I didn't
go up and told them I had flown, they didn't have any record of it.

[Emily[_1_]]

Travis Marlatte wrote:
> How would they not know who to charge?

If it's a rental.

[Margy Natalie]

Emily wrote:

>
> Not sure I'd want to fly int any of the high landing fee airports VFR...


Why not?

Margy

[Ron Natalie]

Emily wrote:
> Travis Marlatte wrote:
>> How would they not know who to charge?
>
> If it's a rental.

When we operated a rental (flying club) out of IAD,
it was part of the club billing to bill the landing
fee to the renter and pass that along to the airport.

[john smith]

In article >,
Ron Natalie > wrote:

> Emily wrote:
> > Travis Marlatte wrote:
> >> How would they not know who to charge?
> >
> > If it's a rental.
>
> When we operated a rental (flying club) out of IAD,
> it was part of the club billing to bill the landing
> fee to the renter and pass that along to the airport.

There is a novel concept... charging based aircraft the landing fee in
addition to rent.
Most airports I am familiar with that charge a landing fee do not charge
based aircraft.

[Ron Natalie]

john smith wrote:
> In article >,
> Ron Natalie > wrote:
>
>> Emily wrote:
>>> Travis Marlatte wrote:
>>>> How would they not know who to charge?
>>> If it's a rental.
>> When we operated a rental (flying club) out of IAD,
>> it was part of the club billing to bill the landing
>> fee to the renter and pass that along to the airport.
>
> There is a novel concept... charging based aircraft the landing fee in
> addition to rent.
> Most airports I am familiar with that charge a landing fee do not charge
> based aircraft.

Are you based at the primary airport of a class B?

The rent goes to the FBO.
The landing fee goes to the airport authority.

[Travis Marlatte]

I'm not sure that I see your point. Are you trying to say that unless they
have knowledge of who the pilot is that they won't bother to charge?

NavCanada and US airports that charge routinely send the bill to the
registered owner based solely on the tail number. I have received many and
not once did the tower say something like, "could we have the pilot's
address so we don't send the bill to the wrong place?"

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Travis
Lake N3094P
PWK

"Emily" > wrote in message
. ..
> Travis Marlatte wrote:
>> How would they not know who to charge?
>
> If it's a rental.

[Brian]

Ron Lee wrote:
> I am having problems getting a good answer whether landing fees apply
> to a GA plane doing a single touch n go at Denver. Does anyone here
> have official/real-life info? The FAA will let me do it but at a
> possible $40-$95 I won't.
>
> Ron Lee

I have done touch-n-goes at DEN, no fee. However, your chances of
being allowed to do this before 2200 or 2300 local are almost zero.

-Brian