HID Lighting

[Mike Rapoport]

Has anyone installed Xevision HID lighting on their airplane under a 337
approval? How do you like it? Any issues getting approval? I landed my
Helio in the dark yesterday which worked out OK but I would prefer a
reliable landing light!

Mike
MU-2

[Matt Barrow]

"Mike Rapoport" > wrote in message
link.net...
> Has anyone installed Xevision HID lighting on their airplane under a 337
> approval? How do you like it? Any issues getting approval? I landed my
> Helio in the dark yesterday which worked out OK but I would prefer a
> reliable landing light!
>
I daresay that 99% of people here are getting by with landing lights. The
other 1% have no electrical system :~)

[Mike Rapoport]

"Matt Barrow" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Mike Rapoport" > wrote in message
> link.net...
>> Has anyone installed Xevision HID lighting on their airplane under a 337
>> approval? How do you like it? Any issues getting approval? I landed my
>> Helio in the dark yesterday which worked out OK but I would prefer a
>> reliable landing light!
>>
> I daresay that 99% of people here are getting by with landing lights. The
> other 1% have no electrical system :~)
>

Yes but the reliability of the landing light is related to where it is
installed. In the Helio the landing light is installed in the cowl, I'm
sure it would be better in the wing or attached to the nose gear but the
front of the cowl is probably the highest vibration area in the whole
airplane.

Mike

[Viperdoc[_1_]]

I've been waiting for the Baron STC to come out for the K2U installation,
rather than going through a field approval. Apparently, the application for
the STC has been sitting on a desk at the Chicago Region for around 6
months.

The lights are brighter, use a lot less current, and don't burn out. They
can be left on continuously for recognition. I can hardly wait.

[Viperdoc[_1_]]

Aviation Consumer had a review of these recently, and the K2U installation
was rated pretty highly, and was less expensive then the LoPresti versions.

[Matt Barrow]

"Viperdoc" > wrote in message
...
> Aviation Consumer had a review of these recently, and the K2U installation
> was rated pretty highly, and was less expensive then the LoPresti
> versions.
>
Got a link for K2U?

I've had the LoPresti lights (cowl and nose gear) for a couple years now and
I've more than satisfied, but I'd like to see what K2U (I'm not familiar
with that name) has to offer.

[Viperdoc[_1_]]

Knots 2 you http://www.knots2u.com/

The review was in Aviation Consumer vol 35:3, March 2006

[Matt Barrow]

"Viperdoc" > wrote in message
...
> Knots 2 you http://www.knots2u.com/
>
> The review was in Aviation Consumer vol 35:3, March 2006
Thanks...some nice "goodies" they have.

[The Visitor]

I did this in the wingtips of my seneca.

http://www.rmdaircraft.com/hid.html

Fantastic.

You won't regret going hid. I am thinking about putting hid's on my nose
gear in place of the two landing lights.




Mike Rapoport wrote:
> Has anyone installed Xevision HID lighting on their airplane under a 337
> approval? How do you like it? Any issues getting approval? I landed my
> Helio in the dark yesterday which worked out OK but I would prefer a
> reliable landing light!
>
> Mike
> MU-2
>
>

[Matt Barrow]

"The Visitor" > wrote in message
...
>I did this in the wingtips of my seneca.
>
> http://www.rmdaircraft.com/hid.html
>
> Fantastic.
>
> You won't regret going hid. I am thinking about putting hid's on my nose
> gear in place of the two landing lights.

Don't think about too long. With winter and it's related shorter days,
you'll appreciate it.

Like yours, I'll have to take a serious look at wingtip lights, too. I have
the LoPresti, but tip lights would be a nice addition.

--
Matt
---------------------
Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO (MTJ)

[Viperdoc[_3_]]

Were these STC's installations, or did you need to get a field approval?
I've been waiting six months for the STC to get signed by the FAA regional
office in Chicago. Since the wing lights are the same for a lot of already
approved Beech products, it is amazing how long it is taking them to sign
the paperwork (for a Baron).

If the field approval wasn't too bad, I may decide to go that route rather
than wait for the STC.

[Matt Barrow]

"Viperdoc" > wrote in message
m...
> Were these STC's installations, or did you need to get a field approval?
> I've been waiting six months for the STC to get signed by the FAA regional
> office in Chicago. Since the wing lights are the same for a lot of already
> approved Beech products, it is amazing how long it is taking them to sign
> the paperwork (for a Baron).
>
> If the field approval wasn't too bad, I may decide to go that route rather
> than wait for the STC.
>
How long has GAMI been waiting for the STC for their PRISM system, three,
four years now?

[Javier[_1_]]

Viperdoc wrote:
> Were these STC's installations, or did you need to get a field approval?
> I've been waiting six months for the STC to get signed by the FAA regional
> office in Chicago. Since the wing lights are the same for a lot of already
> approved Beech products, it is amazing how long it is taking them to sign
> the paperwork (for a Baron).
>
> If the field approval wasn't too bad, I may decide to go that route rather
> than wait for the STC.

I installed the RMD HID kits (same as those sold by Knots2U I believe)
under a field approval on my Skylane a couple of years ago.

It was not difficult at all to secure said approval, using the existing
STC as the basis for the approval. The STC is for installing these kids
on their wingtips, I wanted to install them on the bose bowl to replace
the 4509's that burnt out so easily.

I couldn't be more pleased with the results. They use 1/3 of the power
of a 4509 and they put out a very bright, very white light. I installed
the kits myself, with inspection, approval and 337 submission by an
owner friendly A&P/IA.

-jav

[The Visitor]

Mine was under an stc.

Viperdoc wrote:

> Were these STC's installations, or did you need to get a field approval?
> I've been waiting six months for the STC to get signed by the FAA regional
> office in Chicago. Since the wing lights are the same for a lot of already
> approved Beech products, it is amazing how long it is taking them to sign
> the paperwork (for a Baron).
>
> If the field approval wasn't too bad, I may decide to go that route rather
> than wait for the STC.
>
>
>

[Peter R.]

Viperdoc > wrote:

> I've been waiting for the Baron STC to come out for the K2U installation,
> rather than going through a field approval. Apparently, the application for
> the STC has been sitting on a desk at the Chicago Region for around 6
> months.
>
> The lights are brighter, use a lot less current, and don't burn out. They
> can be left on continuously for recognition. I can hardly wait.

Doc, am I correct in assuming that these lights would be installed in your
cowling and nosewheel when the STC is available? I recall that you have
the TKS delivery system installed on your leading edges, as does my
Bonanza, so a leading edge installation is not an option.

--
Peter

[The Visitor]

I have a friend with a Bonanza. He has via an stc, a landing light
mounted on each strut of the main gear. However none are hid. I only
mention this to make you aware of possibilities.

John

Peter R. wrote:

> Viperdoc > wrote:
>
>
>>I've been waiting for the Baron STC to come out for the K2U installation,
>>rather than going through a field approval. Apparently, the application for
>>the STC has been sitting on a desk at the Chicago Region for around 6
>>months.
>>
>>The lights are brighter, use a lot less current, and don't burn out. They
>>can be left on continuously for recognition. I can hardly wait.
>
>
> Doc, am I correct in assuming that these lights would be installed in your
> cowling and nosewheel when the STC is available? I recall that you have
> the TKS delivery system installed on your leading edges, as does my
> Bonanza, so a leading edge installation is not an option.
>

[Viperdoc[_1_]]

The Baron I fly does not have a nose light (radar), but does have wing
lenses. The HID is a simple bolt in and wire job. On the other hand, the
nose gear taxi light may be more problematic, since the ballast can not
interfere with the retraction mechanism (obviously). Locating this in the
nose well could be more of a challenge.

[Peter R.]

The Visitor > wrote:

> I have a friend with a Bonanza. He has via an stc, a landing light
> mounted on each strut of the main gear. However none are hid. I only
> mention this to make you aware of possibilities.

Interesting idea. I was not aware of this option.

Do you suppose there is some type of in-line switch that prevents the
lights from illuminating if the landing gear is up? I have wondered the
same about my default taxi light on the nose gear when I discovered I
inadvertently left the taxi light on after the gear came up.

--
Peter

[The Visitor]

Locating this in the
> nose well could be more of a challenge.
>
>
>
Maybe not. For the Seneca's, there must be six feet of HV wire. The
ballasts are mounted up in the nose compartment on the forward side of
the instrument bulkhead. This is the lopresti install.

[The Visitor]

Peter R. wrote:

> Do you suppose there is some type of in-line switch that prevents the
> lights from illuminating if the landing gear is up?

I'm not too familiar with Bo's. But if the light is enclosed, then I
would guess yes. If your interested, I will ask about them when I see
him next. And perhaps who's stc it is.

HID is the way to go.

[Peter R.]

The Visitor > wrote:

> If your interested, I will ask about them when I see
> him next. And perhaps who's stc it is.

That'd be great. Thanks.

--
Peter

[The Visitor]

Peter R. wrote:

> That'd be great. Thanks.
>


Not forgotten about. I have had no luck at the airport so I just emailed
him. I did want to take a picture and post it also.

John

[Peter R.]

The Visitor > wrote:

> Not forgotten about. I have had no luck at the airport so I just emailed
> him. I did want to take a picture and post it also.

No problem. Thanks for keep this alive.

--
Peter

[The Visitor]

Okay I heard from my friend. He says there is no squat switch so you can
leave your lights on retracted. And he has done this the odd time he
said. But he is considering solutions to that.

They are from Alpine Aviation


www.alpineaviation.com/lights.html

But the link doesn't work. Are they out of business or changed their
name, I don't know.

See this google cache of a webpage....

http://tinyurl.com/fhamf


"No effect on aircraft performance, lights retract with main landing
gear. ... Alpine Aviation LLC PO Box 345, Midway, GA 31320 ...
www.alpineaviation.com/lights.html - 6k - Cached -"

Perhaps the phone number still works or somebody else is handling the
stc. He loves the lights, says it is like landing in daylight. It must
look like a biz jet landing.

Hope this helps.

John

[Peter R.]

The Visitor > wrote:

> Perhaps the phone number still works or somebody else is handling the
> stc. He loves the lights, says it is like landing in daylight. It must
> look like a biz jet landing.
>
> Hope this helps.

Very grateful for the information. Thanks.

--
Peter

[The Visitor]

Having another look at that cached page, I don't see stc anywhere. I am
particular about that and perhaps this is really a field mod? Not that
there is anything wrong with that, just I was given the detail it was stc'd.

[The Visitor]

Wow such information!
====================
Allen wrote:

>>Peter
>
>
> STC Number:
> ST00469NY
>
> This certificate issued to:
> Alpine Aviation, Inc
>
> STC Holder's Address:
> 2121 Jamieson Ave #1511
> Alexandria VA 22314
> United States
>
> Description of the Type Design Change:
> Installation of main landing gear auxiliary landing lights.
>
> Application Date:
>
>
> Status:
> Issued, 08/19/1996
>
> Responsible Office:
> ANE-170 New York Aircraft Certification Office Tel: (516) 228-7300
>
> TC Number -- Make -- Model:
> 3A15 -- Raytheon Aircraft Company -- 33 Series
> 3A15 -- Raytheon Aircraft Company -- 36
> A-777 -- Raytheon Aircraft Company -- 35
>
> Full Text of STC:
>
>
> Comments
> Comments
> Comments:
>
>
>
>
>

[Allen[_1_]]

I am pretty sure this company used to always have a 1/2 page ad in the
American Bonanza Society magazine, although I don't see anything lately.
Maybe a call to them will produce a lead. 316-945-1700.

Allen

"The Visitor" > wrote in message
...
> Wow such information!
> ====================
> Allen wrote:
>
>>>Peter
>>
>>
>> STC Number:
>> ST00469NY
>>
>> This certificate issued to:
>> Alpine Aviation, Inc
>>
>> STC Holder's Address:
>> 2121 Jamieson Ave #1511
>> Alexandria VA 22314
>> United States
>>
>> Description of the Type Design Change:
>> Installation of main landing gear auxiliary landing lights.
>>
>> Application Date:
>>
>>
>> Status:
>> Issued, 08/19/1996
>>
>> Responsible Office:
>> ANE-170 New York Aircraft Certification Office Tel: (516) 228-7300
>>
>> TC Number -- Make -- Model:
>> 3A15 -- Raytheon Aircraft Company -- 33 Series
>> 3A15 -- Raytheon Aircraft Company -- 36
>> A-777 -- Raytheon Aircraft Company -- 35
>>
>> Full Text of STC:
>>
>>
>> Comments
>> Comments
>> Comments:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

[Allen[_1_]]

Alpine Aviation had an ad in the 11/05 ABS magazine, telephone # was
703-731-8262.

Allen

"The Visitor" > wrote in message
...
> Wow such information!
> ====================
> Allen wrote:
>
>>>Peter
>>
>>
>> STC Number:
>> ST00469NY
>>
>> This certificate issued to:
>> Alpine Aviation, Inc
>>
>> STC Holder's Address:
>> 2121 Jamieson Ave #1511
>> Alexandria VA 22314
>> United States
>>
>> Description of the Type Design Change:
>> Installation of main landing gear auxiliary landing lights.
>>
>> Application Date:
>>
>>
>> Status:
>> Issued, 08/19/1996
>>
>> Responsible Office:
>> ANE-170 New York Aircraft Certification Office Tel: (516) 228-7300
>>
>> TC Number -- Make -- Model:
>> 3A15 -- Raytheon Aircraft Company -- 33 Series
>> 3A15 -- Raytheon Aircraft Company -- 36
>> A-777 -- Raytheon Aircraft Company -- 35
>>
>> Full Text of STC:
>>
>>
>> Comments
>> Comments
>> Comments:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

[Montblack[_1_]]

("Allen" wrote)


No more "attachments." Thanks.


Montblack

[Montblack[_1_]]

("Allen" wrote)


Your messages are showing up ...with "attachments."


Montblack

[Allen[_1_]]

"Montblack" > wrote in message
...
> ("Allen" wrote)
>
>
> No more "attachments." Thanks.
>
>
> Montblack

Stupid outlook express. set to text only.

[Allen[_1_]]

"Montblack" > wrote in message
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> ("Allen" wrote)
>
>
> Your messages are showing up ...with "attachments."
>
>
> Montblack

I am doing a copy and paste from the FAA website, I don't know how the
attachments are getting aboard.

Allen

[The Visitor]

I put photos in the picture group. One on each main.

J



> The Visitor > wrote:
>
>
>>Perhaps the phone number still works or somebody else is handling the
>>stc. He loves the lights, says it is like landing in daylight. It must
>>look like a biz jet landing.
>>


>>Hope this helps.
>
> Peter R. wrote:
> Very grateful for the information. Thanks.
>

[Peter R.]

The Visitor > wrote:

> I put photos in the picture group. One on each main.

Which pictures group is that? I normally don't subscribe to any binaries
group but I will for this.

--
Peter

[The Visitor]

alt.binaries.pictures.aviation



Peter R. wrote:

> The Visitor > wrote:
>
>
>>I put photos in the picture group. One on each main.
>
>
> Which pictures group is that? I normally don't subscribe to any binaries
> group but I will for this.
>