Winterizing The Hangar

[Jay Honeck]

As some of you know, our hangar building was rammed by a semi-truck
this past August, during the repaving of our taxiway. Fairly extensive
damage was done to one corner of the building, but we were able to keep
the plane inside, thanks to the guy only hitting our "kitchen" area.
(No beer was harmed, thankfully!)

The airport maintenane guy put a tarp over the car-sized hole, and thus
it remained -- until this week. We were out of the hangar for four
days, while they replaced a major steel girder, and a bunch of sheet
metal.

So, today we moved back in. To facilitate repairs, we had moved
EVERYTHING out of the kitchen corner, which meant our counters,
microwave(s), refrigerators, and a screened in tent (which we put
inside the corner of the hangar not to keep bugs out, but to keep heat
IN) -- along with, of course, the airplane. (Which we got to store in
our historic Boeing/United Hangar, which was built in 1929 for the
airmail service. Man, if those walls could only talk...)

When we moved into our hangar six years ago, we attached high density
styrofoam sheets sheets (commonly known as "R" board) to some of the
sheet metal walls. We used caulk-gun construction adhesive to hold the
4' x 8' boards to the sheet metal, which has worked great.

Initially we did this not for insulation value, but to have a surface
to which we could staple photographs, maps, and the like. We
discovered that it was simply not possible to tape photos to the sheet
metal walls, since the cold and heat would eventually degrade the paper
and tape -- but the R-board worked great.

It also (naturally) made the hangar warmer. However, it's fairly
pricey stuff, and we ended up only insulating about 25% of the walls.
We also used the "Great Stuff" expandable aerosol foam stuff to fill
ALL cracks and voids in the hangar, to help keep the wind and snow out,
but also (more importantly) to keep the birds and bugs out. It has
worked great for this purpose. (Although you can see where birds have
pecked their way through it, in spots.)

And that's the way everything sat, until today. As long as the whole
hangar was ripped apart, Mary and I took the opportunity to buy half a
dozen more sheets of the R board, a few more cans of Great Stuff, and
got to work. Cutting the stuff to fit the angled roof line was a bit
tricky, but otherwise it's a simple "measure, cut, and glue" process
that goes pretty quickly.

Our two most exposed walls are now fully insulated (giving us several
more years of photograph-pin-up room!) and tightly sealed with Great
Stuff. You could almost instantly feel the place get less drafty,
although until I do something about the thin tin ceiling (which has a
roof ridge vent for ventilation) it will never be really *warm*.
(That's why we bought the tent. When you stick a torpedo heater into
the tent, the tent roof keeps the heat down closer to you. Without it,
the heat just instantly dissipates.)

Can anyone think of ANY way to insulate the ceiling/roof? The vent was
put in because (according to the gray heads on the field) moisture used
to build up so badly inside the unventilated tin box that airplanes
would be wet from condensation.

What do you guys do to keep your hangar warm, animal and snow free?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Ken Reed]

> What do you guys do to keep your hangar warm, animal and snow free?

Just one thing:

I live in Arizona. It works amazingly well !
---
Ken Reed
M20M, N9124X

--
Ken Reed
M20M, N9124X

[Jim Burns]

Larger version of "Great Stuff". When we renovate our potato storage
warehouses, we have custom applicators come in and spray 3"-5" on the
interior walls and ceiling. Any openings such as a ridge cap are "boxed
out" and left open.
Jim

[Dave[_5_]]

I know an old guy who uses "solar" heating. He has a South-facing
hangar, and has painted the doors black. So the sun warms the hangar
when it's cold out. When it isn't cold, he opens the doors - how much
depends on the temperature. He also has a false cieling of
plastic sheeting to keep the heat from rising to the top. Of course he
is retired, and spends nearly every day there - so he is the "manual"
thermostat.

As for critters, he keeps a 22 rifle with birdshot shells handy - and
doesn't hesitate to use it.

[Montblack]

("Jim Burns" wrote)
> Larger version of "Great Stuff". When we renovate our potato storage
> warehouses, we have custom applicators come in and spray 3"-5" on the
> interior walls and ceiling. Any openings such as a ridge cap are "boxed
> out" and left open.


Cost? ....for the larger version of "Great Stuff"?

My thought was "insulation netting" with wire run up and twist-tied to
anything available, then blow in some ...(wait for it) ...old newspapers
into the new attic space you've created.

That blown in stuff is cheap - around here they (give) you the blower, free!
"Hey Joe."

40x30 = 1,200 sq-ft
Yours = 1,000 sq-ft (?)

Montblack-in-the-saddle-again

[Denny]

An old parachute as a 'ceiling' under the steel roof... It will slow
the rising warm air from instantly exiting the ridge vent yet allow
moisture exchange...

denny

[Jay Honeck]

> > What do you guys do to keep your hangar warm, animal and snow free?
>
> Just one thing:
>
> I live in Arizona. It works amazingly well !

And...you save on electricity costs by using it as an oven in summer!

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Viperdoc[_3_]]

You can also rolled insulation in the ceiling. I also strongly recommend
ceiling fans- a few cheap ones from Home Depot will do wonders to help
circulate the air. Do you have gas available for heat in your hangar? A
Modine heater is relatively inexpensive, and in my previous hangar I had an
office buildout with baseboard electric heat. It makes tinkering on the
plane in the winter a lot more pleasant. I generally kept it at 40-45
degrees, but when needing to work on the plane jacked it up to 60. I found
that I flew a lot more in the winter when the hangar was more comfortable.

Now, all I need to do is figure out is how to get an electrically heated
ramp, and put a hot tub in the hangar.

[Jay Honeck]

> An old parachute as a 'ceiling' under the steel roof... It will slow
> the rising warm air from instantly exiting the ridge vent yet allow
> moisture exchange...

Good idea! Any idea where I can get old parachutes anymore?

When I was a kid, the old "Army Surplus" store had dozens of 'em.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> Cost? ....for the larger version of "Great Stuff"?

Yeah -- given that a little can of that stuff is, like, four bucks, I
can't imagine what the big stuff must cost!

> My thought was "insulation netting" with wire run up and twist-tied to
> anything available, then blow in some ...(wait for it) ...old newspapers
> into the new attic space you've created.

Hmmm. Remember, we've got lights up there, and electricity...

> Montblack-in-the-saddle-again

Glad you're back! How's the Newps 'puter working with a separate
monitor?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> You can also rolled insulation in the ceiling.

Getting it to stay up is the problem. It's just a bare, tin ceiling --
no "joists" to attach the stuff to.

> I also strongly recommend
> ceiling fans- a few cheap ones from Home Depot will do wonders

Yeah, once the ceiling is insulated, that will be good. I also want to
add better lighting. Right now I've got three 500 watt spot/area
lights, which are better than the single 60 watt bulb the hangar came
with -- but not much!

> Now, all I need to do is figure out is how to get an electrically heated
> ramp, and put a hot tub in the hangar.

I've got only electric, no gas, so we're stuck with portable heat
options. And I don't think the hot tub would work well with a torpedo
heater! (It would sure be cool in your hangar, though...)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Matt Barrow]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> thanks to the guy only hitting our "kitchen" area.
> (No beer was harmed, thankfully!)

Allah be praised!!

[Jim Burns[_1_]]

I just looked up an invoice for a building we did last summer. It was about
$0.25 per square foot for 3" on 200,000 sq ft.
Jim

[Jim Burns[_1_]]

The ceiling and walls in our hanger are insulated with foil faced fiberglass
batting held up between the steel trusses with nylon strapping like the
strapping you use to secure items onto a pallet, Signode is the most popular
brand. It's run cross wise to the joists, tightened and clamped at each end.
This same type of insulating method was also used in many of our warehouses,
however in the '60s they used metal strapping and you can guess what high
humidity did to the steel straps. Make sure your roof has NO leaks first.
Jim

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> > You can also rolled insulation in the ceiling.
>
> Getting it to stay up is the problem. It's just a bare, tin ceiling --
> no "joists" to attach the stuff to.
>
> > I also strongly recommend
> > ceiling fans- a few cheap ones from Home Depot will do wonders
>
> Yeah, once the ceiling is insulated, that will be good. I also want to
> add better lighting. Right now I've got three 500 watt spot/area
> lights, which are better than the single 60 watt bulb the hangar came
> with -- but not much!
>
> > Now, all I need to do is figure out is how to get an electrically heated
> > ramp, and put a hot tub in the hangar.
>
> I've got only electric, no gas, so we're stuck with portable heat
> options. And I don't think the hot tub would work well with a torpedo
> heater! (It would sure be cool in your hangar, though...)
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>

[Drew Dalgleish]

Last year at our local curling club they installed a suspended ceiling
by making a grid with 1/8" cables. then on top they laid bubble wrap
thats silver on one side. The cost was pretty reasonable IIRC and it
works very well.

>As some of you know, our hangar building was rammed by a semi-truck
>this past August, during the repaving of our taxiway. Fairly extensive
>damage was done to one corner of the building, but we were able to keep
>the plane inside, thanks to the guy only hitting our "kitchen" area.
>(No beer was harmed, thankfully!)
>
>The airport maintenane guy put a tarp over the car-sized hole, and thus
>it remained -- until this week. We were out of the hangar for four
>days, while they replaced a major steel girder, and a bunch of sheet
>metal.
>
>So, today we moved back in. To facilitate repairs, we had moved
>EVERYTHING out of the kitchen corner, which meant our counters,
>microwave(s), refrigerators, and a screened in tent (which we put
>inside the corner of the hangar not to keep bugs out, but to keep heat
>IN) -- along with, of course, the airplane. (Which we got to store in
>our historic Boeing/United Hangar, which was built in 1929 for the
>airmail service. Man, if those walls could only talk...)
>
>When we moved into our hangar six years ago, we attached high density
>styrofoam sheets sheets (commonly known as "R" board) to some of the
>sheet metal walls. We used caulk-gun construction adhesive to hold the
>4' x 8' boards to the sheet metal, which has worked great.
>
>Initially we did this not for insulation value, but to have a surface
>to which we could staple photographs, maps, and the like. We
>discovered that it was simply not possible to tape photos to the sheet
>metal walls, since the cold and heat would eventually degrade the paper
>and tape -- but the R-board worked great.
>
>It also (naturally) made the hangar warmer. However, it's fairly
>pricey stuff, and we ended up only insulating about 25% of the walls.
>We also used the "Great Stuff" expandable aerosol foam stuff to fill
>ALL cracks and voids in the hangar, to help keep the wind and snow out,
>but also (more importantly) to keep the birds and bugs out. It has
>worked great for this purpose. (Although you can see where birds have
>pecked their way through it, in spots.)
>
>And that's the way everything sat, until today. As long as the whole
>hangar was ripped apart, Mary and I took the opportunity to buy half a
>dozen more sheets of the R board, a few more cans of Great Stuff, and
>got to work. Cutting the stuff to fit the angled roof line was a bit
>tricky, but otherwise it's a simple "measure, cut, and glue" process
>that goes pretty quickly.
>
>Our two most exposed walls are now fully insulated (giving us several
>more years of photograph-pin-up room!) and tightly sealed with Great
>Stuff. You could almost instantly feel the place get less drafty,
>although until I do something about the thin tin ceiling (which has a
>roof ridge vent for ventilation) it will never be really *warm*.
>(That's why we bought the tent. When you stick a torpedo heater into
>the tent, the tent roof keeps the heat down closer to you. Without it,
>the heat just instantly dissipates.)
>
>Can anyone think of ANY way to insulate the ceiling/roof? The vent was
>put in because (according to the gray heads on the field) moisture used
>to build up so badly inside the unventilated tin box that airplanes
>would be wet from condensation.
>
>What do you guys do to keep your hangar warm, animal and snow free?
>--
>Jay Honeck
>Iowa City, IA
>Pathfinder N56993
>www.AlexisParkInn.com
>"Your Aviation Destination"
>

[Gig 601XL Builder]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
oups.com..

My 40x40 hanger in South Arkansas is fully insulated with good old
fiberglass insulation. The roof is the same with a layer of chicken wire
holding it in place. There are 6 panels up there that are translucent and,
of course, they are not insulated.

Now it doesn't get near as cold here for as long as it does where you are
but a couple of electric space heaters will keep it warm enough to work on
the plane.

[The Visitor]

With that vent in there it is gonna get cold.

I have a cieling with insulation on top. I had the sweaty airplane
problem but put in a cieling fan and things have been fine since. It has
not been turned off in 8 years! (2 actually)But with the air moving, it
can hold a lot more moisture and won't condense out. With my entire
hangar insulated the temperature does not get below freezing in the
winter. And it is cool in the summer also. The cieling fans are
fantastic! Also the floor is epoxy painted perhaps keeping out ground
moisture.

[Blanche]

Jay Honeck > wrote:
>> > What do you guys do to keep your hangar warm, animal and snow free?
>>
>> Just one thing:
>>
>> I live in Arizona. It works amazingly well !
>
>And...you save on electricity costs by using it as an oven in summer!

Not only that, but it's a convenient way to make breakfast in the
morning -- just pop the eggs, toast and (pick your fave meat product)
on either a nice, clean corner of the floor or on the wing in the sun.

[Maule Driver]

I put a workshop in my hangar and insulated with foil faced insulation
with 1/4" of fiberglass. I have been amazed!

My main problem is the opposite of yours - heat. My plan was to install
an HVAC unit and insulate the hangar sized room. Since I have a metal
hangar, I looked at metal building oriented solutions. Radiant heat
gain/loss seems to be a primary problem. The metal walls radiate
outside heat into the space via infrared radiation. And radiate inside
heat out the same say.

Therefore, stuff like this:
http://www.steelbuilding.com/buildings/accessories_foil.htm

works very well. I lined the room with the white faced side in (good
light reflection and general looks)and have the foil side facing out.
Without any HVAC operation, it moderates the the temp withing the
workshop unbelieveably well. It just never gets as cold or as hot as
the outside temp over a 24 hour period. The place is just a pleasure to
work in. Add some AC or heat, and it's like home.

Mass insulation and air infiltration work well. But my experience in a
metal building suggests that radiation control may be equally or even
more important. Someone with some engineering talent should be able to
set me straight.

By the way, the stuff goes up with double sided tape which also works
unbelievably well in my application. I could have thrown the staple gun
away.

The Visitor wrote:
>
> With that vent in there it is gonna get cold.
>
> I have a cieling with insulation on top. I had the sweaty airplane
> problem but put in a cieling fan and things have been fine since. It has
> not been turned off in 8 years! (2 actually)But with the air moving, it
> can hold a lot more moisture and won't condense out. With my entire
> hangar insulated the temperature does not get below freezing in the
> winter. And it is cool in the summer also. The cieling fans are
> fantastic! Also the floor is epoxy painted perhaps keeping out ground
> moisture.
>
>

[Drew Dalgleish]

http://www.radiantguard.com/?gclid=CKnZ_dmDzIgCFQdUPgodkBcXBg

[RST Engineering]

There is a mail order "surplus" house somewhere around Chicago that had
cargo 'chutes by the millions a few years ago. They used to have a cheap
wood pulp catalog made famous by a male deer cut in half on the front page
saying "cover price, half a buck". ANybody remember what this outfit's name
is/was?

Jim



"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> Good idea! Any idea where I can get old parachutes anymore?

[Jim Burns[_1_]]

Jerryco, now American Science and Surplus
Jim

"RST Engineering" > wrote in message
...
> There is a mail order "surplus" house somewhere around Chicago that had
> cargo 'chutes by the millions a few years ago. They used to have a cheap
> wood pulp catalog made famous by a male deer cut in half on the front page
> saying "cover price, half a buck". ANybody remember what this outfit's
name
> is/was?
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> "Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> >
> > Good idea! Any idea where I can get old parachutes anymore?
>
>

[Ross Richardson[_2_]]

Ken Reed wrote:

>>What do you guys do to keep your hangar warm, animal and snow free?
>
>
> Just one thing:
>
> I live in Arizona. It works amazingly well !
> ---
> Ken Reed
> M20M, N9124X
>

Oh, that's rough!

--

Regards, Ross
C-172F 180HP
KSWI

[john smith]

> Montblack-in-the-saddle-again

HEY!!! Paul's back!
So many stories, so much time.
I am certain he will catch us up this winter.

[Jay Honeck]

> I just looked up an invoice for a building we did last summer. It was about
> $0.25 per square foot for 3" on 200,000 sq ft.

That's almost as bad as I thought it would be. Dang, that stuff is
expensive!

Of course, it's the most God-awful stuff to work with in the whole
world. Get it on your skin, and it's THERE, for weeks. Get it on your
clothes, and throw 'em away. I can't imagine working with it in an
industrial, large-scale setting.

I'll bet a lot of that expense is the labor.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jim Burns[_1_]]

labor and equipment. Everything , including the floor has to be covered in
heavy plastic. Then the liquid, which comes in 55 gallon drums, is mixed
then pumped into a machine that heats it then pressurizes it through an
insulated hose to a spray nozzle. They show up with two semi trailers full
of stuff. Cat engines driving screw compressors and generators to run the
heaters and the pumps. Nozzles plug often and require cleaning. At the end
of each day it takes hours to clean all the equipment. Like you say, the
stuff is terrible to work with. Anything you get it on is ruined or
insulated.
Jim

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> > I just looked up an invoice for a building we did last summer. It was
about
> > $0.25 per square foot for 3" on 200,000 sq ft.
>
> That's almost as bad as I thought it would be. Dang, that stuff is
> expensive!
>
> Of course, it's the most God-awful stuff to work with in the whole
> world. Get it on your skin, and it's THERE, for weeks. Get it on your
> clothes, and throw 'em away. I can't imagine working with it in an
> industrial, large-scale setting.
>
> I'll bet a lot of that expense is the labor.
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>

[Montblack]

("Jay Honeck" wrote)
>> I just looked up an invoice for a building we did last summer. It was
>> about $0.25 per square foot for 3" on 200,000 sq ft.

> That's almost as bad as I thought it would be. Dang, that stuff is
> expensive!

(approx)
40' x 30' = 1,200 sq-ft footprint

Side wall ....30'(long) x 12'(high) = 360 sq ft
Side wall ....30'(long) x 12'(high) = 360 sq ft
Back wall ...40'(long) x 12'(high) = 480 sq ft
Ceiling (?) 40' x 30' ish.......... = 1,200 sq ft

Total sq ft area = 2,400 sq ft
@ $0.25/sq foot = $600

Offer them the whole $600 ..."IF"...they'll double up (and go 6 inches) on
the ceiling - since 3" or 6" doesn't matter (much) at that point,
considering: prep, clean up, drive time, advertising, paperwork, materials,
inventories, insurance, maintenance, payroll, deposits, etc. get factored
into "the job". Forgot one - taxes. <g>

Now, you'll need to do something about that floor!

Let's see. The floor: 1,200 sq ft.

Plywood/particle board (37.5) sheets @ $10/sheet = $400
(2x4) or (2x3) x 8' sleeper boards @ $1.50 each = $250

Sleeper boards (flat) on 12" centers:
$6 = (4) x 8' boards (total offset "sleeper" length runs 30ft)
$6 x 41 ft = $250

$400 + $250 + $150 misc = $800 for a floor
(Misc: tar paper/roofing felt for the ground, poly for on top of the
sleepers, nails, pizza, beer, etc.)

Now we need to INSULATE that floor! It's only 1.5 inches deep under the
particle board top layer, and they're doing the rest of the hangar, anyway.
Hey, have them toss that into the $600 price, too. Let's blink first and
call it a $700 total.

And then there's that big (uninsulated) hangar door to consider! What to do?
What to do? What to do? <g>


Montblack
$1,500 insulated hangar with a new insulated (unpainted) floor, but without
factoring in hangar door options. Am I over budget yet? :-)

[Jay Honeck]

> $1,500 insulated hangar with a new insulated (unpainted) floor, but without
> factoring in hangar door options. Am I over budget yet? :-)

Sure, sure, Mr. "Hey -- I can fix that camper for less!" -- all I need
is to spend MORE money on a hangar I don't even own!

:-)

I'm liking the parachute with newspapers idea more and more. Can you
say "fire hazard"?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jim Burns[_1_]]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
> Can you
> say "fire hazard"?

Add a layer of dust on top of the newspaper and the parachute.... turn on
the lights... burst a bulb and I can say POOF! Atlas transforms into Puff
the Magic Dragon.

Jim

[Jack Allison[_1_]]

Jay Honeck wrote:

> What do you guys do to keep your hangar warm, animal and snow free?

A California address! :-)

Well it does work for the warmth and snow free aspects. No birds (yet).
Got wasps though...routinely have to go on a wasp killing missions.

Snow? At the airport? That's just wrong man! :-)

--
Jack Allison
PP-ASEL-Instrument Airplane

"To become a Jedi knight, you must master a single force. To become
a private pilot you must strive to master four of them"
- Rod Machado

(Remove the obvious from address to reply via e-mail)

[Jack Allison[_1_]]

Ken Reed wrote:

> Just one thing:

Rats, you beat me to this type of response...just posted the California
version :-)


--
Jack Allison
PP-ASEL-Instrument Airplane

"To become a Jedi knight, you must master a single force. To become
a private pilot you must strive to master four of them"
- Rod Machado

(Remove the obvious from address to reply via e-mail)

[Jack Allison[_1_]]

Jim Burns wrote:
> Add a layer of dust on top of the newspaper and the parachute.... turn on
> the lights... burst a bulb and I can say POOF! Atlas transforms into Puff
> the Magic Dragon.
>

No no Jim, you were *supposed* to say "Fire Hazard"...then you went and
got all imaginary on us :-) Still, same thing in the end :-(


--
Jack Allison
PP-ASEL-Instrument Airplane

"To become a Jedi knight, you must master a single force. To become
a private pilot you must strive to master four of them"
- Rod Machado

(Remove the obvious from address to reply via e-mail)

[Jack Allison[_1_]]

john smith wrote:

> HEY!!! Paul's back!
> So many stories, so much time.
> I am certain he will catch us up this winter.

Paul was gone? Oh, wait, I've been somewhat less than regular
reading/posting the past few weeks. :-)


--
Jack Allison
PP-ASEL-Instrument Airplane

"To become a Jedi knight, you must master a single force. To become
a private pilot you must strive to master four of them"
- Rod Machado

(Remove the obvious from address to reply via e-mail)

[Montblack]

("Jack Allison" wrote)
> Paul was gone? Oh, wait, I've been somewhat less than regular
> reading/posting the past few weeks. :-)


A. Try some dietary fiber along with plenty of water. <g>
B. Hey, these laptops really do go anywhere. Cool - I mean, ...that's
disgusting!


Montblack
Intel(R) Pentium(R) M Processor 1.60GHz
ACPI\GENUINEINTEL_-_X86_FAMILY_6_MODEL_13\_0

[Montblack]

("Jack Allison" wrote)
> Snow? At the airport? That's just wrong man! :-)

I feel the earth move under my feet
I feel the sky tumbling down, tumbling down
I feel the earth move under my feet
I feel the sky tumbling down

I just lose control
Down to my very soul
I get a hot and cold all over

I feel the earth move under my feet
I feel the sky tumbling down,
Tumbling down, tumbling down...


From: Tapestry
By: Carole King
Released: March 1971

Montblack

[[email protected]]

: Snow? At the airport? That's just wrong man! :-)

Some of the best flying weather includes having snow on the ground, IMO.

-Cory

--

************************************************** ***********************
* Cory Papenfuss, Ph.D., PPSEL-IA *
* Electrical Engineering *
* Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University *
************************************************** ***********************

[Jim Burns[_1_]]

That's what I keep telling myself every time I find myself shoveling out
the hanger door and chopping the ice from the threshold. ;)

"This... %^&*(* ice and snow... but... I'll... uggg...get a climb...
rate...of... 1800fpm!"
Jim

[Montblack]

("Jay Honeck" wrote)
> Sure, sure, Mr. "Hey -- I can fix that camper for less!"


Orange top ok for a color? Paint was SUPER SALE priced on close-out. :-)


Mont-black

[Jack Allison[_1_]]

Montblack wrote:

> Montblack
> Intel(R) Pentium(R) M Processor 1.60GHz
> ACPI\GENUINEINTEL_-_X86_FAMILY_6_MODEL_13\_0
>

Ok, *this* is good information. The other stuff...um...not so. Yeah,
there's just something a little disgusting about hearing a) click-clack
of typing on a keyboard or b) cellphone conversation from the next
stall. Or...seeing the guy hold the cell phone with one hand and using
the other to whiz.

Do we need to sanitize the bits flowing out of a certain home in the
Twin Cities area? :-)


--
Jack Allison
PP-ASEL-Instrument Airplane

"To become a Jedi knight, you must master a single force. To become
a private pilot you must strive to master four of them"
- Rod Machado

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[Jack Allison[_1_]]

Montblack wrote:
> I feel the earth move under my feet

ROTFL. You really need to thank me for serving you up something like
this. Hmmm, we could always get into the debate about which natural
disasters one would rather live with...nah, not today.

Nah, living in Northern CA, we're just waiting for the big one where
Southern CA slides off the continental shelf and now we all have beach
front property :-)


--
Jack Allison
PP-ASEL-Instrument Airplane

"To become a Jedi knight, you must master a single force. To become
a private pilot you must strive to master four of them"
- Rod Machado

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[Jack Allison[_1_]]

wrote:
> : Snow? At the airport? That's just wrong man! :-)
>
> Some of the best flying weather includes having snow on the ground, IMO.
>
> -Cory
>
Yeah, seriously, I don't mind it...so long as a) I don't have to shovel
it, b) the runway has been plowed, c) it's not my home airport


--
Jack Allison
PP-ASEL-Instrument Airplane
Pre-heat? What's that?

"To become a Jedi knight, you must master a single force. To become
a private pilot you must strive to master four of them"
- Rod Machado

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[Blanche]

Montblack > wrote:
>("Jack Allison" wrote)
>> Paul was gone? Oh, wait, I've been somewhat less than regular
>> reading/posting the past few weeks. :-)
>
>A. Try some dietary fiber along with plenty of water. <g>
>B. Hey, these laptops really do go anywhere. Cool - I mean, ...that's
>disgusting!

Evolution of Technology:

SneakerNet

InterNet

ToiletNet

[RST Engineering]

That is, a California address below 2500 MSL. (The 3000 foot contour splits
my hangar in half.)

Jim



"Jack Allison" > wrote in message
...
> Jay Honeck wrote:
>
>> What do you guys do to keep your hangar warm, animal and snow free?
>
> A California address! :-)

[Eduardo K.[_1_]]

In article >,
Blanche > wrote:
>
>ToiletNet
>

Nobody here has ever gone to the bathroom with a laptop and read
news during?

Can't beleive it. :)



--
Eduardo K. |
http://www.carfun.cl | Freedom's just another word
http://e.nn.cl | for nothing left to lose.
|

[Montblack]

("Blanche" wrote)
> ToiletNet


A. She's constantly putting the screen down. Leave it the way you found it,
lady!

B. Wiping the Hard Drive...
(What? Nothing wrong with that - we all do it, eventually)

C. I mostly employ a mouse, but sometimes it's quicker to just use your
fingers ...eeew.

D. "We're out of paper!"


Montblack

[Jack Allison[_1_]]

RST Engineering wrote:
> That is, a California address below 2500 MSL. (The 3000 foot contour splits
> my hangar in half.)
>

Oh sure Jim, go splitting contour lines to make a point :-) Hmmm, guess
you're right though. No contour lines around our hangar...we're all of
100 ft and change MSL. Ah, life in the flat lands.

--
Jack Allison
PP-ASEL-Instrument Airplane

"To become a Jedi knight, you must master a single force. To become
a private pilot you must strive to master four of them"
- Rod Machado

(Remove the obvious from address to reply via e-mail)

[john smith]

In article >,
"Montblack" > wrote:

> ("Blanche" wrote)
> > ToiletNet
>
>
> A. She's constantly putting the screen down. Leave it the way you found it,
> lady!
>
> B. Wiping the Hard Drive...
> (What? Nothing wrong with that - we all do it, eventually)
>
> C. I mostly employ a mouse, but sometimes it's quicker to just use your
> fingers ...eeew.
>
> D. "We're out of paper!"

Please don't tell me you are out of toner!

[Jim Burns]

Paul's keyboard is full of #1s and #2s
Jim

"Montblack" > wrote in message
...
> ("Blanche" wrote)
>> ToiletNet
>
>
> A. She's constantly putting the screen down. Leave it the way you found
> it, lady!
>
> B. Wiping the Hard Drive...
> (What? Nothing wrong with that - we all do it, eventually)
>
> C. I mostly employ a mouse, but sometimes it's quicker to just use your
> fingers ...eeew.
>
> D. "We're out of paper!"
>
>
> Montblack
>

[Montblack]

("john smith" wrote)
>> D. "We're out of paper!"

> Please don't tell me you are out of toner!


I believe "...Technicolor" is listed in the 'pull down' menu.


Montblack

[Jay Honeck]

> Orange top ok for a color? Paint was SUPER SALE priced on close-out. :-)

Blaze orange? Perfect for camping in Wisconsin! (It's deer season,
doncha know?)

It'll be perfect for finding us after we go down...

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[.Blueskies.]

"Jack Allison" > wrote in message
...

Ah, life in the flat lands.
:
: --
: Jack Allison



Yes, where AGL = MSL!