Changed the oil today...

[Jay Honeck]

....in my hangar.

....on January 3rd...

....in a light jacket...

....in Iowa....

Is this the twilight zone, or global warming? Either way, I'm loving
it!

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jonathan Goodish]

In article om>,
"Jay Honeck" > wrote:
> ...in my hangar.
>
> ...on January 3rd...
>
> ...in a light jacket...
>
> ...in Iowa....
>
> Is this the twilight zone, or global warming? Either way, I'm loving
> it!


If it's global warming, and if humans are causing it, I'm going to start
up my car and let it idle all day from now on.



JKG

[Bob Noel]

In article om>,
"Jay Honeck" > wrote:

> ...in my hangar.
>
> ...on January 3rd...
>
> ...in a light jacket...
>
> ...in Iowa....
>
> Is this the twilight zone, or global warming? Either way, I'm loving
> it!

changed the oil instead of flying?

--
Bob Noel
Looking for a sig the
lawyers will hate

[BT]

1 Jan 2007, logged 3 hours in the Pawnee (towing gliders) and about 19
landings, logged 45 minutes at the end of the day in a fast glass glider..
ridge soaring until sunset. Outside air temp? about 60F. Every thing tied
down and the glass birds back in the box. Time for Friends, Brews and some
Hot Chili and Corn Bread.

Does it get any better? I hope so.. spring is coming.

BT

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> ...in my hangar.
>
> ...on January 3rd...
>
> ...in a light jacket...
>
> ...in Iowa....
>
> Is this the twilight zone, or global warming? Either way, I'm loving
> it!
>
> :-)
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>

[Jay Honeck]

> > Is this the twilight zone, or global warming? Either way, I'm loving
> > it!
>
> changed the oil instead of flying?

Jeez, Bob, now you're talking crazy.

First we had to fly to Davenport for brunch...to warm up the oil!

:-)

Now today we'll have to go for our post-oil-change flight, to check for
leaks... It's almost 50 here again!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Mark Hansen]

On 01/04/07 08:59, Jay Honeck wrote:
>> > Is this the twilight zone, or global warming? Either way, I'm loving
>> > it!
>>
>> changed the oil instead of flying?
>
> Jeez, Bob, now you're talking crazy.
>
> First we had to fly to Davenport for brunch...to warm up the oil!
>
> :-)
>
> Now today we'll have to go for our post-oil-change flight, to check for
> leaks... It's almost 50 here again!

Work, work, work ;-)

--
Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane
Cal Aggie Flying Farmers
Sacramento, CA

[Viperdoc[_2_]]

Jay: What do you do with the used oil? Our FBO wouldn't take it because they
were concerned it might somehow be contaminated. Rather than accumulate a
drum of waste oil that I would need to get a hazmat permit to get rid of, I
have the mechanic do it.

JN

[Steve Foley]

My FBO heats his hangar with it.

"Viperdoc" > wrote in message
. net...
> Jay: What do you do with the used oil? Our FBO wouldn't take it because
> they were concerned it might somehow be contaminated. Rather than
> accumulate a drum of waste oil that I would need to get a hazmat permit to
> get rid of, I have the mechanic do it.
>
> JN
>
>

[M[_1_]]

Well, they better keep quiet about it. Used piston engine oil from
aircraft burning 100LL contains fairly large amount of lead (that's why
it looks green-ish). Burning it will release the lead into atmosphere
in the surrounding area.

Of course, Jay's oil should be free of such hazard due to his Atlas
burning autofuel :-)

Steve Foley wrote:
> My FBO heats his hangar with it.
>
> "Viperdoc" > wrote in message
> . net...
> > Jay: What do you do with the used oil? Our FBO wouldn't take it because
> > they were concerned it might somehow be contaminated. Rather than
> > accumulate a drum of waste oil that I would need to get a hazmat permit to
> > get rid of, I have the mechanic do it.
> >
> > JN
> >
> >

[Bob Noel]

In article m>,
"Jay Honeck" > wrote:

> > changed the oil instead of flying?
>
> Jeez, Bob, now you're talking crazy.
>
> First we had to fly to Davenport for brunch...to warm up the oil!

phew - I thought you had lost your mind!

--
Bob Noel
Looking for a sig the
lawyers will hate

[Viperdoc[_4_]]

I was tempted to drive down some remote road and dribble it out the back,
but felt there had to be a better disposal solution for used oil.

[RST Engineering]

Our county cut a deal with a re-refiner down in Sacramento to put up a 350
gallon storage container into which we dump our useed oil. WE are on our
honor not to dump gasoline contaminated oil, and so far after 10 years we've
never been gigged for contaminated waste oil.

THe rerefiner, of course, simply filters the bejesus out of the oil and
remarkets it in quarts to the cheap auto parts stores where it merrily
lubricates old automobile engines that burn a quart every couple of hundred
miles.

Those rerefiners have a regular "circuit" that they make on a daily basis on
a 500 mile radius of their home base. You might want to talk your local
airport commission into an investigation -- as I recall, the rerefiner pays
a few bucks a gallon to the county for the privilege.

Jim




"Viperdoc" > wrote in message
. net...
> Jay: What do you do with the used oil? Our FBO wouldn't take it because
> they were concerned it might somehow be contaminated. Rather than
> accumulate a drum of waste oil that I would need to get a hazmat permit to
> get rid of, I have the mechanic do it.
>
> JN
>
>

[Matt Whiting]

Viperdoc wrote:
> I was tempted to drive down some remote road and dribble it out the back,
> but felt there had to be a better disposal solution for used oil.
>
>

Where I live, service stations, car dealerships, Wal-Marts, any store
that sells oil or performs oil changes is required to receive used oil
for recycling. I'm guessing this varies by state so I don't know what
options exist where you are, but I'm guessing there are options.


Matt

[David Lesher]

"M" > writes:

>Well, they better keep quiet about it. Used piston engine oil from
>aircraft burning 100LL contains fairly large amount of lead (that's why
>it looks green-ish). Burning it will release the lead into atmosphere
>in the surrounding area.


So does burning AvGas......


ITSM the EPA requires that anyone selling oil accepts used oil back.
[Or have a place to send you to that does...]

I'm SURE there's a recycling location near you; ask around.




--
A host is a host from coast to
& no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX
Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

[Dave[_3_]]

Sat here forcast to be 12 C deg.. :)

No forcast daytime temps below 0 C until Jan 10...

HAW!


Dave (in New Brunswick,Canada)


On 3 Jan 2007 16:51:39 -0800, "Jay Honeck" > wrote:

>...in my hangar.
>
>...on January 3rd...
>
>...in a light jacket...
>
>...in Iowa....
>
>Is this the twilight zone, or global warming? Either way, I'm loving
>it!
>
>:-)

[A Lieberma]

Dave > wrote in
:

> Sat here forcast to be 12 C deg.. :)
>
> No forcast daytime temps below 0 C until Jan 10...
>
> HAW!
>
>
> Dave (in New Brunswick,Canada)

Not to make you jealous or anything, but I am planning to fly in forecasted
IMC conditions, ceilings forecasted to be 300 feet, to knock out some
approaches tomorrow morning (Friday at 16Z), no icing risks, the
thunderstorms will have past by here at KMBO (Madison MS) in a couple of
hours (about 6Z), and the temp at altitude will be a chilly 55 degrees.

Downstairs when I tie down, well 70F should fit the bill.

Life is good, life is good!!!!

Allen

[Jim[_11_]]

"RST Engineering" > wrote
> Those rerefiners have a regular "circuit" that they make on a daily basis
on
> a 500 mile radius of their home base. You might want to talk your local
> airport commission into an investigation -- as I recall, the rerefiner
pays
> a few bucks a gallon to the county for the privilege.

My brother-in-law drives a pick-up route for one such rerefiner. He's told
me that their company filters and re-refines it down to #4 fuel oil which
they mainly sell to asphalt plants that burn it in their asphalt heating
furnaces.

Here on the farm we collect it in a 500 gallon tank and sell it to a
rerefiner that picks it up once a month. Right now they'er paying about
$0.85 per gallon, but they take anything that's dumped into the tank.
(hydraulic fluid, brake fluid, ect.) They'll pay more if it's strictly used
motor oil.

Jim

[Viperdoc[_4_]]

It all sounds like a lot of work, storing the used oil, taking it to the
dump (or having a large holding tank). My mechanic does an oil change with
10 qts and a new filter for around $125.00.

I can buy oil in bulk for around 3.50 a quart, and a filter is around 20.00
(as far as I remember). With his shop helper he can do the change in an
hour, while it takes me around twice as long doing it alone. Add in the
cost, time, and hassle of storing the used oil or going to the dump to get
rid of it, the price may just break even. (Three plus hours of time to do
the job and get rid of the oil may be worth the extra 55.00)

It is three hours that could be spent flying, sleeping, drinking beer, or
doing some other worthwhile activity like helping coach my son's hockey
team, etc.

I still favor the idea of driving down a rural road at night and dribbling
out a little at a time. It helps keep the dust down in summer. (at least
that's what they said when I saw them do it in a grass strip in Vermont,
where I learned to fly).

[Blueskies]

"Viperdoc" > wrote in message ...
....
:
: I still favor the idea of driving down a rural road at night and dribbling
: out a little at a time. It helps keep the dust down in summer. (at least
: that's what they said when I saw them do it in a grass strip in Vermont,
: where I learned to fly).
:
:

That is basically what asphalt is - oil and rocks. Folks get all worked up about disposal when there are who knows how
many miles in asphalt roads all around the country, each oozing a little bit back into the ground...

[Mike Noel]

Changing the oil is one of the times I can commune with my engine with the
cowl off. While the last dribbles run out of the engine I can take a close
look for loose wires, exhaust cracks etc. I would rather do it that way
than hassle with getting the plane to someone else to do the job. The
biggest challenge has been getting the filter safety wire on snugly, but now
I can do it without cutting it off and redoing it several times. Owner
maintenance is part of my satisfaction with owning an airplane.

--
Best Regards,
Mike

http://photoshow.comcast.net/mikenoel

I'm a uniter, not a divider. - GWB, 1999.

"Viperdoc" > wrote in message
...
> It all sounds like a lot of work, storing the used oil, taking it to the
> dump (or having a large holding tank). My mechanic does an oil change with
> 10 qts and a new filter for around $125.00.
>
> I can buy oil in bulk for around 3.50 a quart, and a filter is around
> 20.00 (as far as I remember). With his shop helper he can do the change in
> an hour, while it takes me around twice as long doing it alone. Add in the
> cost, time, and hassle of storing the used oil or going to the dump to get
> rid of it, the price may just break even. (Three plus hours of time to do
> the job and get rid of the oil may be worth the extra 55.00)
>
> It is three hours that could be spent flying, sleeping, drinking beer, or
> doing some other worthwhile activity like helping coach my son's hockey
> team, etc.
>
> I still favor the idea of driving down a rural road at night and dribbling
> out a little at a time. It helps keep the dust down in summer. (at least
> that's what they said when I saw them do it in a grass strip in Vermont,
> where I learned to fly).
>

[[email protected]]

: Where I live, service stations, car dealerships, Wal-Marts, any store
: that sells oil or performs oil changes is required to receive used oil
: for recycling. I'm guessing this varies by state so I don't know what
: options exist where you are, but I'm guessing there are options.

I've heard that one shouldn't dump used aviation oil at these locatations
because they cannot deal with the lead.

-Cory

--

************************************************** ***********************
* Cory Papenfuss, Ph.D., PPSEL-IA *
* Electrical Engineering *
* Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University *
************************************************** ***********************

[B A R R Y[_2_]]

wrote:
>
> I've heard that one shouldn't dump used aviation oil at these locatations
> because they cannot deal with the lead.

What do they do with oil from hot rodders using 100LL?

You know they get it. <G>

[Jim[_11_]]

I also enjoy changing the oil in our Aztec. I've got the process down so I
can do it in an hour, start to finish. I get a good chance to look
everything over while the oil drains. I use two of those flat suitcase type
drain oil containers with the detachable funnel. When I'm done, I simply
put them in the back of my pickup and take them to work with me the next
morning. The longest time is actually spent pouring the new oil into the
engines.
Jim

[M[_1_]]

David Lesher wrote:

>
>
> So does burning AvGas......
>
>

True. However because lead is heavy, it tends to contaminate the
surroundings soil of used oil burning furnace.

Most of the lead from burning AvGas is spread around a wide area from
high altitude and the resulting contamination level is much lower.

[Gig 601XL Builder]

wrote:
>> Where I live, service stations, car dealerships, Wal-Marts, any store
>> that sells oil or performs oil changes is required to receive used
>> oil for recycling. I'm guessing this varies by state so I don't
>> know what options exist where you are, but I'm guessing there are
>> options.
>
> I've heard that one shouldn't dump used aviation oil at these
> locatations because they cannot deal with the lead.
>

I see no reason to tell them that it is aviation oil. Think about it. You
are dumping you 7 or 8 Qts into a X00 gallon tank that is in turn going to
be dumped into a X000 gallon tank that is going into a God knows how big
re-refining system. How many PPM of lead do you think there is going to be
at that last stage?

[Viperdoc[_4_]]

I also help taking the cowls off (top and bottom), and at the same time look
for loose wires, cables, leaks, etc, since I have to fly to the mechanic,
which also warms up the oil.

Part of it is that I have more confidence taking things apart than putting
them back together correctly. (My mechanical Nikon's light meter broke once,
so I took it apart to look and see inside. There are a lot of small parts
inside a camera. I brought it to the repair guy and said I had done half of
his job for him, but that I only had four screws left over at the end)

The same approach on a plane might have a little different outcome, so I'm a
little hesitant to start taking things apart, even though the oil change,
plugs, etc are pretty simple jobs.

[Dave[_3_]]

Hehe... no danger Al! :)

But it is "supposed" to be -3 C - -10 C here now..

So U can appreciate the mild euphoria...

I can still see my lawn, - gotta start the snow blower this weekend to
make sure it still works..

This cannot last tho, (but it did last year, so who knows..

Predicting 13 C tomorrow...

Dave



On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 04:46:18 GMT, A Lieberma >
wrote:

>Dave > wrote in
:
>
>> Sat here forcast to be 12 C deg.. :)
>>
>> No forcast daytime temps below 0 C until Jan 10...
>>
>> HAW!
>>
>>
>> Dave (in New Brunswick,Canada)
>
>Not to make you jealous or anything, but I am planning to fly in forecasted
>IMC conditions, ceilings forecasted to be 300 feet, to knock out some
>approaches tomorrow morning (Friday at 16Z), no icing risks, the
>thunderstorms will have past by here at KMBO (Madison MS) in a couple of
>hours (about 6Z), and the temp at altitude will be a chilly 55 degrees.
>
>Downstairs when I tie down, well 70F should fit the bill.
>
>Life is good, life is good!!!!
>
>Allen

[A Lieberma]

Dave > wrote in
:

> Hehe... no danger Al! :)
>
> But it is "supposed" to be -3 C - -10 C here now..
>
> So U can appreciate the mild euphoria...
>
> I can still see my lawn, - gotta start the snow blower this weekend to
> make sure it still works..
>
> This cannot last tho, (but it did last year, so who knows..
>
> Predicting 13 C tomorrow...
>
> Dave

I sure can, having moved from Ohio :-)

Though, flying in January in shorts and no jacket, just ain't "right".

Been down here 6 years and still can't get used to these mild winters.

Got my approaches in, though ceilings turned out to be 700. Still a good
excercise considering light turbulence was thrown in the mix of IMC.

Allen

[Roger[_4_]]

On Thu, 04 Jan 2007 20:37:52 GMT, "Steve Foley"
> wrote:

>My FBO heats his hangar with it.

Same here.
I think the local FBO would like to have about another 100 to 200
gallons of the stuff per month. He mixes it with fuel oil and heats
the big hangar. He'll take all the oil we are willing to give.
There's a lot of BTWs in that stuff.

>
>"Viperdoc" > wrote in message
. net...
>> Jay: What do you do with the used oil? Our FBO wouldn't take it because
>> they were concerned it might somehow be contaminated. Rather than
>> accumulate a drum of waste oil that I would need to get a hazmat permit to
>> get rid of, I have the mechanic do it.
>>
>> JN
>>
>>
>
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

[Roger[_4_]]

On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 02:03:30 GMT, Matt Whiting >
wrote:

>Viperdoc wrote:
>> I was tempted to drive down some remote road and dribble it out the back,
>> but felt there had to be a better disposal solution for used oil.

Not too many years ago the county used to encourage us to do that. Of
course they didn't have to put so much brine on the roads then.
Bout twice a summer the county would spray the gravel roads with
brine.

>>
>>
>
>Where I live, service stations, car dealerships, Wal-Marts, any store
>that sells oil or performs oil changes is required to receive used oil
>for recycling. I'm guessing this varies by state so I don't know what
>options exist where you are, but I'm guessing there are options.

I don't know if it's required in Michigan, but most of those places
will take your old oil no questions.
>
>
>Matt
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

[Roger[_4_]]

On Fri, 5 Jan 2007 08:17:04 -0600, "Viperdoc"
> wrote:

>It all sounds like a lot of work, storing the used oil, taking it to the
>dump (or having a large holding tank). My mechanic does an oil change with
>10 qts and a new filter for around $125.00.
>
>I can buy oil in bulk for around 3.50 a quart, and a filter is around 20.00
>(as far as I remember). With his shop helper he can do the change in an
>hour, while it takes me around twice as long doing it alone. Add in the
>cost, time, and hassle of storing the used oil or going to the dump to get
>rid of it, the price may just break even. (Three plus hours of time to do
>the job and get rid of the oil may be worth the extra 55.00)
>
>It is three hours that could be spent flying, sleeping, drinking beer, or
>doing some other worthwhile activity like helping coach my son's hockey
>team, etc.

Three hours?
Step one ...go fly half hour, hour, what ever
Step two, put plane back in hangar after flying.
Step three. Hook 2' of garden hose to quick drain
Step four: Set 5 gallon bucket under hose.
Step six: Open quick drain.
Step seven have cup of coffee or bottle of pop.
Step 8: Close quick drain
Step 9: Remove hose from quick drain and move it and oil bucket out of
way.
Step 10: Add oil.
Step 11. Put top on oil bucket and set where I'll remember it.

Drop oil off at FBO or take to any of the local auto parts stores on
way home.

Total time for step one through 11 less than half an hour.
Time to drop off oil about 5 minutes if you don't count the inevitable
BS session that will last two hours at FBO. Auto parts store time is
less than 10 minutes without any BS session.


Ahhh no, I didn't forget the filter. I fly an "old" airplane. I just
check for chunks in the screen. Analysis kit is between $12 and $15
Filters on a Bo add about 5 minutes ...unless you drop it. Then it
takes about 10 minutes to clean up the mess.
>
>I still favor the idea of driving down a rural road at night and dribbling
>out a little at a time. It helps keep the dust down in summer. (at least
>that's what they said when I saw them do it in a grass strip in Vermont,
>where I learned to fly).
>
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

[Roger[_4_]]

On 3 Jan 2007 16:51:39 -0800, "Jay Honeck" > wrote:

>...in my hangar.
>
>...on January 3rd...
>
>...in a light jacket...
>
>...in Iowa....
>
>Is this the twilight zone, or global warming? Either way, I'm loving
>it!
>

Problem is, mother nature is good at evening things out and collecting
interest on pay back.
Out West they are looking at lots of snow, big storms, and super
winds. OTOH here in lower Michigan where it was 50 today when it
should be about 28 we had 4" of snow and very cold temps way back in
October.

My daughter lives on the second range in CO WSW of Boulder. They had
three feet just before Christmas (but were in Mexico), Two more feet
this past week and they are looking at about 16 inches out of the one
just moving out. Almost 6 1/2 feet in just two weeks.


>:-)
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

[Jay Honeck]

> Ahhh no, I didn't forget the filter. I fly an "old" airplane. I just
> check for chunks in the screen.

Ah. Therein lies the rub -- it's the damned filter that adds an hour
to the process, even with our Airwolf remote mount. (It was 90
minutes, and a LOT more mess, before that trick pony was installed --
best thing I ever added to the plane...)

First you cut the safety wire. Then (in my case) unscrew the pipe
clamp around the filter that holds a little piece of rubber between the
filter and the fire wall. (This prevents the filter from hanging free
and vibrating -- a little mod my A&P added that works great.)

Then you unscrew the (thank God, now vertical -- it was formerly
mounted sideways) oil filter. No matter what, this is a mess, but I've
devised a milk jug device that catches most of the spillage. Then you
have to stand there and wait anywhere from 30 seconds to four minutes
before the oil stops running out, or you'll be cleaning the floor (and
the bottom of the cowl) when you're done.

Then it's off to the drain pan, where you must wait for the filter to
mostly drain. This can take 10 to 15 minutes, but woe to you who
doesn't wait before proceeding to the next step.

Then it's to the filter cutter. This adds another few minutes, while
you turn the greasy pig in the vise. Eventually it pops open like a
can of Campbell's soup -- then you've got to take your box cutter and
start cutting around the edge to get the filter paper out.

Once that's done (assuming you haven't cut your pinky off -- razor
blades and slippery stuff don't mix well), you can carefully unravel
the folds over the garbage can. (See above about draining thoroughly).
Then it's out into the sun, or under a bright light to look for metal.


If you've ever seen an engine making metal (ours was, at the pre-buy
inspection, back in '02) you know what you're looking for -- and it's
unmistakeable. You hold your breath while you carefully examine the
folds, knowing that this is the $20,000 moment of truth.

Assuming all is clean, you may then celebrate another 25 - 50 hours of
trouble-free engine life.

I enjoy changing the oil, but it isn't a 20 minute process. Usually at
this time of year I bite the bullet and pay my A&P to do it -- but this
year that's been unnecessary, thanks to the fantastic weather.

Now today it's back in the 20s, but sunny. Still no snow. Weird.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Matt Whiting]

Jay Honeck wrote:


> Now today it's back in the 20s, but sunny. Still no snow. Weird.

It is 54 here in PA today. Amazing. I just hope the pattern doesn't
move east in February and dump on us for two months before spring!

Matt

[Bob Noel]

In article . com>,
"Jay Honeck" > wrote:


> Then it's to the filter cutter. This adds another few minutes, while
> you turn the greasy pig in the vise. Eventually it pops open like a
> can of Campbell's soup -- then you've got to take your box cutter and
> start cutting around the edge to get the filter paper out.

box cutter?

Dedicate a hacksaw... way easier.

--
Bob Noel
Looking for a sig the
lawyers will hate

[Jay Honeck]

> > Now today it's back in the 20s, but sunny. Still no snow. Weird.
>
> It is 54 here in PA today. Amazing. I just hope the pattern doesn't
> move east in February and dump on us for two months before spring!

By 2 PM today it was in the 50s again. I did some work on the new
"Green Grape" (our new Toyota fuel truck) in shirtsleeves.

Astounding. It just can't last.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Roger[_4_]]

On 6 Jan 2007 06:50:33 -0800, "Jay Honeck" > wrote:

>> Ahhh no, I didn't forget the filter. I fly an "old" airplane. I just
>> check for chunks in the screen.
>
>Ah. Therein lies the rub -- it's the damned filter that adds an hour
>to the process, even with our Airwolf remote mount. (It was 90
>minutes, and a LOT more mess, before that trick pony was installed --
>best thing I ever added to the plane...)

As "I recall" (Please note weasel words) when I was flying the
Cherokee 180 which had a so called spin off filter, after opening the
quick drain, we'd grab the wire with a pair of pliers and "pull".
Strap wrench around the filter to break it loose, and with a big wad
of paper towls around the lower half at the front of the filter we'd
turn it out. (spinning produced a real mess). If you held your mouth
just right, said the right incantations, AND the filter didn't slip as
you tipped it drippy end up this part was about 5 minutes.

It's been too long to remember how the mechanic showd us how to open
the filter but it didn't take him two minutes to split the filter,
pull out a chunk of paper, unfold it and check for metal. What ever it
was it I always think of an ax <:-)) It was sharp, fast, and efficient
although the filter wasn't exactly pretty afterwards.

>
>First you cut the safety wire. Then (in my case) unscrew the pipe
>clamp around the filter that holds a little piece of rubber between the
>filter and the fire wall. (This prevents the filter from hanging free
>and vibrating -- a little mod my A&P added that works great.)
>
>Then you unscrew the (thank God, now vertical -- it was formerly
>mounted sideways) oil filter. No matter what, this is a mess, but I've
>devised a milk jug device that catches most of the spillage. Then you
>have to stand there and wait anywhere from 30 seconds to four minutes
>before the oil stops running out, or you'll be cleaning the floor (and
>the bottom of the cowl) when you're done.

Remember it only takes less than a spoon full to cover the entire
bottom >Then it's off to the drain pan, where you must wait for the
filter to

>If you've ever seen an engine making metal (ours was, at the pre-buy
>inspection, back in '02) you know what you're looking for -- and it's
>unmistakeable. You hold your breath while you carefully examine the
>folds, knowing that this is the $20,000 moment of truth.

Just remember, ignorance is bliss. It may be dangerous but it's still
bliss.

>
>Assuming all is clean, you may then celebrate another 25 - 50 hours of
>trouble-free engine life.of the airplane in seconds.<:-))

>
>I enjoy changing the oil, but it isn't a 20 minute process. Usually at

I used to rebuild tractor engines between seasons. I kinda got tired
of changing rings, sleeves, bearings, oil, and what ever in unheated
barns in the middle of winter. Some where I went wrong and ended up
rebuilding V-8s in poorly heated or poorly cooled buildings (you pick
the season) until I ended up with a good job. Still it was fixing
things (Industrial instrumentation) BUT it did pay a whale of a lot
more. After 26 years I finally quite and went back to get a 4-year
degree. For the next 7 years I got to stay relatively clean and the
last 5 of those I was actually a boss. (at work)That's boss as no
longer at the bottom of the food chain but a long way from the top.

Now I'm retired. I have to fix our cars, lawn mowers, snow blowers,
yard tractors, furnace, water heater, (I don't do airconditioners or
windows...well I did make up a set of storm windows though) my
radios, my ham antenna system, our 4 computers (which I also built and
configured) These 4 computers and gigabit network are darn near a full
time job.
I've really gotten tired of fixing things before I can use them and
oil changes fall into that category too<:-)).

Still, I have one of those LP fired, catalytic heaters at about 50,000
BTU. It looks like a big pair of head lights perched atop that gas
cylinder so at least one side of me stays warm while doing winter oil
changes. That and they don't take long in the Deb. The only messy
part is trying to take the sample out of the hose with a good stream
of *HOT* oil running. The engine only has to hold up for a few more
changes and it'll be TBO. Man, if they'd come out with a 300 HP diesel
that'd fit I think I'd go the money. Course then I'd have to update
the panel and updating the panel is more than the plane's current
value.

BTW the city did go ahead and pass the ordinance to charge mechanics
not based on the field $25 for each job they do. That's going to end
up with a lot of pilots doing their own work. Flying some where else
and getting some one to sign it off. However there is nothing that
says he can't watch while I do the work and then sign it off<:-))

Guess I need to send a copy of the new rules to the AOPA and see what
they say about the rules.

OTOH at my age it takes as much maintenance to keep me going as it
does the Deb and I'm only 20 years older than it.

I could use the money and I don't fly near as much as I'd like due to
spending so much time fixing things around here.
>this time of year I bite the bullet and pay my A&P to do it -- but this
>year that's been unnecessary, thanks to the fantastic weather.
>
>Now today it's back in the 20s, but sunny. Still no snow. Weird.
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

[Roger[_4_]]

On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 19:05:43 -0500, Bob Noel
> wrote:

>In article . com>,
> "Jay Honeck" > wrote:
>
>
>> Then it's to the filter cutter. This adds another few minutes, while
>> you turn the greasy pig in the vise. Eventually it pops open like a
>> can of Campbell's soup -- then you've got to take your box cutter and
>> start cutting around the edge to get the filter paper out.
>
>box cutter?
>
>Dedicate a hacksaw... way easier.

How do you seperate the filings from the hack saw from the engine
filings?

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

[Bob Noel]

In article >,
Roger > wrote:

> >box cutter?
> >
> >Dedicate a hacksaw... way easier.
>
> How do you seperate the filings from the hack saw from the engine
> filings?

"Dedicate" means only use the hacksaw for cutting the paper filter.
Don't use the hacksaw for anything else - thus no filings to seperate.

--
Bob Noel
Looking for a sig the
lawyers will hate

[RST Engineering]

It's 27 outside right now and didn't break 40 today with an inch of ice
pellets still on the ground from last Friday's storm. Revel in it, folks.
Talk to you in February...

Jim



"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
ups.com...

>
> By 2 PM today it was in the 50s again. I did some work on the new
> "Green Grape" (our new Toyota fuel truck) in shirtsleeves.
>
> Astounding. It just can't last.

[Jay Honeck]

> It's 27 outside right now and didn't break 40 today with an inch of ice
> pellets still on the ground from last Friday's storm. Revel in it, folks.
> Talk to you in February...

Okay, now I *know* we've stepped into the Twilight Zone, when Iowa is
warmer than Grass Valley, California, in January...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Dave[_5_]]

B A R R Y wrote:
> On 6 Jan 2007 18:12:29 -0800, "Jay Honeck" > wrote:
>
> >
> >By 2 PM today it was in the 50s again. I did some work on the new
> >"Green Grape" (our new Toyota fuel truck) in shirtsleeves.
> >
> >Astounding. It just can't last.
>
>
> We had high 60's-70F in CT. I went for a bike ride in summer riding
> gear!

I went for a motorcycle ride yeaterday - and didn't need a coat. A wasp
flew by while I
was sitting on my front porch. Had to chase a bee out of my plane
(twice) while doing
the Annual in December. Have seen a couple of moths in the house
recently.

Like the man said - it's weird. But I'm not complaining.

David Johnson

[Steve Foley]

"Roger" > wrote in message
...
>
> Step one ...go fly half hour, hour, what ever
>

<snip>
>
> Total time for step one through 11 less than half an hour.

Time machine?

[Roger[_4_]]

On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 16:19:46 GMT, "Steve Foley"
> wrote:

>"Roger" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> Step one ...go fly half hour, hour, what ever
>>
>
><snip>
>>
>> Total time for step one through 11 less than half an hour.
>
>Time machine?

Ermmm... Step two through 11? IE What I *meant* to say was the total
time for the oil change, not including the half hour to hour of play
to warm up the engine. <:-))


>
>
>
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

[Blanche Cohen]

I live in he 'burbs SE of Denver.

I'm not having fun. Fortunately, the cherokee is tucked in the hangar
(not heated) with the oil pan heater on (let's not get into that
discussion again), blankets over the cowl, a full tummy of fuel in
each tank...

The car is tucked into the garage (not heated) with a full tank of gas.

I'm tucked into the house (heated) with a really good DSL line,
home-made chicken soup in the freezer, and a good supply of DVDs.

We have *all* the snow that everyone else usually gets. Feel free to
come and visit your snow. Of course freezing levels are 9000 ft.

Call me in March when the state thaws out.