Pix of our new fuel truck [Archive]

Ray Andraka

January 8th 07, 07:51 PM

Jay Honeck wrote:

> The Green Grape is born!
>
> http://www.alexisparkinn.com/new_mighty_grape.htm
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>

Jay, Nice truck. Your pics said the transfer tank is 55g. Doesn't Atlas
have 84 gallons worth of tanks? Does this mean you need to make at
least one trip to the gas station for each flight? I suppose the $55 or
so in savings for each full transfer tank makes it worth it, but it
seems to me by the time you figure in all the hassle and your time, that
you aren't saving all that much?

I guess I won't have to worry about it for mine, as my Six can't drink
the stinky stuff at all.

Steve Foley

January 8th 07, 08:00 PM

"Ray Andraka" > wrote in message
...
> Jay Honeck wrote:
>
>> The Green Grape is born!
>>
>> http://www.alexisparkinn.com/new_mighty_grape.htm
>> --
>> Jay Honeck
>> Iowa City, IA
>> Pathfinder N56993
>> www.AlexisParkInn.com
>> "Your Aviation Destination"
>>
>
> Jay, Nice truck. Your pics said the transfer tank is 55g. Doesn't Atlas
> have 84 gallons worth of tanks? Does this mean you need to make at least
> one trip to the gas station for each flight? I suppose the $55 or so in
> savings for each full transfer tank makes it worth it, but it seems to me
> by the time you figure in all the hassle and your time, that you aren't
> saving all that much?

I think there are permit issues if you want to transport over 50 gallons.
Besides, I doubt he empties the tanks every time. I nkow I don't.

Robert M. Gary

January 8th 07, 08:10 PM

Steve Foley wrote:
> "Ray Andraka" > wrote in message
> ...

> I think there are permit issues if you want to transport over 50 gallons.
> Besides, I doubt he empties the tanks every time. I nkow I don't.

May depend on the state. In California its very hard to transport but
one local FBO worked around it. They have the fuel company come out and
deliver directly to his truck. His truck never touches public roads. ;)

-Robert

Montblack

January 8th 07, 08:38 PM

("Ray Andraka" wrote)
>> The Green Grape is born!
>> http://www.alexisparkinn.com/new_mighty_grape.htm

> Jay, Nice truck. Your pics said the transfer tank is 55g. Doesn't Atlas
> have 84 gallons worth of tanks? Does this mean you need to make at least
> one trip to the gas station for each flight? I suppose the $55 or so in
> savings for each full transfer tank makes it worth it, but it seems to me
> by the time you figure in all the hassle and your time, that you aren't
> saving all that much?

If his plane needs an extra 25 gallons to top it off, it seems well worth
the one mile drive (round trip) to go get more gas.

"Where're you going?"
"They're handing out free $20 bills up at the corner gas station"
"Hey, wait for me!"

Montblack

Jay Honeck

January 8th 07, 09:32 PM

> Jay, Nice truck. Your pics said the transfer tank is 55g. Doesn't Atlas
> have 84 gallons worth of tanks? Does this mean you need to make at
> least one trip to the gas station for each flight? I suppose the $55 or
> so in savings for each full transfer tank makes it worth it, but it
> seems to me by the time you figure in all the hassle and your time, that
> you aren't saving all that much?

Clearly you must earn a lot more than I do, Ray! $55 per trip to the
airport (which, as Montblack stated, is less than 1 mile away) is worth
every moment spent messing around with it. (Actually, bringing the
truck to the hangar is MUCH easier than bringing the plane to the
self-serve pumps...)

Heck, I used to refuel Atlas from 6-gallon jerry cans, and I thought
*that* was worth it. Fueling from the Grape is simply heaven compared
to THAT nightmare.

Our average flight is a bit less than an hour each way, or between 1.5
- 2.0 hours 'round trip. This translates into from 22 to 30 gallons of
gas, so we get roughly two flights per trip to the gas station,
sometimes more, sometimes less.

Since we usually fly twice a week, we're saving (at least) $2860 per
year in fuel costs -- AND we're feeding Atlas a fuel that he is much
happier burning. It's a win-win all the way around. (Actually, right
now the price differential is $1.71 per gallon -- so the savings just
jumped to $4891 annually....)

We have an account at the gas station and get a substantial discount
because we do volume purchasing with their company. (The station is
owned by a grocery store chain that we do a lot of business with...)
All I have to do is sign for it, and they bill me at the end of the
month. It works great.

Anyone who doesn't build their own Mighty Grape is just flushing $100
bills down the toilet, IMHO. It's really not that hard to do, and (if
you shop around) you get a nice truck to drive in the bargain.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck

January 8th 07, 09:43 PM

> I think there are permit issues if you want to transport over 50 gallons.
> Besides, I doubt he empties the tanks every time. I nkow I don't.

Actually, the transfer tank holds 58.8 gallons, of which a smidge under
55 gallons are usable. (I cut the fuel pick-up tube a bit short...)
In Iowa, every third pickup has a fuel transfer tank in the bed --
they're more common than Volkswagens...

You would be amazed at how handy it is to be able to transport gas in
this quantity; we use the transfer tank to fuel our lawn mower(s), leaf
blower(s), leaf vacuum(s), snow blower(s), and the occasional car that
runs out of gas out front of the hotel.

And, of course, the truck itself is a rolling storage shed for all of
the various tools. We also use the truck for hauling stuff to/from the
hotel, and to the dump.

It's funny, before the Mighty Grape I always kind of laughed at guys
who drove "pick-em-up" trucks. Now, I wouldn't be without one.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

john smith

January 8th 07, 10:08 PM

dave

January 8th 07, 10:10 PM

I used to own a Black 1995 T100 xcab 4x4 with all the options except
automatic. I'm still sorry I sold it. The only problem I ever had was
with the starter. The solenoid contacts would wear unevenly and had to
be replaced every year. Hopefully your starter has been updated to a
newer design. Good luck with it.
Dave

Jay Honeck wrote:

> The Green Grape is born!
>
> http://www.alexisparkinn.com/new_mighty_grape.htm
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>

Jon Kraus

January 8th 07, 11:21 PM

Good job Jay. You always seem to find the cool ways to get stuff done....

Jon

Jay Honeck wrote:
> The Green Grape is born!
>
> http://www.alexisparkinn.com/new_mighty_grape.htm
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>

Ray Andraka

January 9th 07, 12:33 AM

Steve Foley wrote:

>
> I think there are permit issues if you want to transport over 50 gallons.
> Besides, I doubt he empties the tanks every time. I nkow I don't.
>
>

I don't empty mine, but most of the time I return home with more than 45
gallons less than I left home with. That means for most trips a trip to
the gas station to be able to fill up what I burned off. Jay's plane is
a PA28-235, which has IIRC the same 84 gallons capacity my six has
distributed in four tanks. I think his burns about 12.5 GPH, so 4 hours
of flying will use up a full load of the grape.

JGalban[_5_]

January 9th 07, 12:36 AM

Jay wrote :
>Anyone who doesn't build their own Mighty Grape is just flushing $100
>bills down the toilet, IMHO. It's really not that hard to do, and
(if
>you shop around) you get a nice truck to drive in the bargain.

Gee, Jay. Remarks like that make me feel so much better about having
to fuel with 100LL. My Cherokee 180 even has the expensive (dual pump)
autofuel STC. The problem is that I'd have to drive about 50 miles out
of town to find autogas that's unadulterated with ethanol (EPA required
in our metro area). I used to fuel my old 172 with autogas from a 30
gal. drum and a hand pump. Not fun, but I discovered the savings right
away. I currently own a '99 Nissan Frontier and a couple of years ago
I was a few weeks short of buying a transfer tank, when I heard the
news that ethanol would be here to stay. You Iowans should consider
yourselves lucky that you aren't forced to buy polluted fuel.

John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)

--
JGalban
Posted at www.flight.org

Ray Andraka

January 9th 07, 12:49 AM

Jay Honeck wrote:

>>Jay, Ni
> Clearly you must earn a lot more than I do, Ray! $55 per trip to the
> airport (which, as Montblack stated, is less than 1 mile away) is worth
> every moment spent messing around with it. (Actually, bringing the
> truck to the hangar is MUCH easier than bringing the plane to the
> self-serve pumps...)
>
> Heck, I used to refuel Atlas from 6-gallon jerry cans, and I thought
> *that* was worth it. Fueling from the Grape is simply heaven compared
> to THAT nightmare.
>
> Our average flight is a bit less than an hour each way, or between 1.5
> - 2.0 hours 'round trip. This translates into from 22 to 30 gallons of
> gas, so we get roughly two flights per trip to the gas station,
> sometimes more, sometimes less.
>
> Since we usually fly twice a week, we're saving (at least) $2860 per
> year in fuel costs -- AND we're feeding Atlas a fuel that he is much
> happier burning. It's a win-win all the way around. (Actually, right
> now the price differential is $1.71 per gallon -- so the savings just
> jumped to $4891 annually....)
>
> We have an account at the gas station and get a substantial discount
> because we do volume purchasing with their company. (The station is
> owned by a grocery store chain that we do a lot of business with...)
> All I have to do is sign for it, and they bill me at the end of the
> month. It works great.
>
> Anyone who doesn't build their own Mighty Grape is just flushing $100
> bills down the toilet, IMHO. It's really not that hard to do, and (if
> you shop around) you get a nice truck to drive in the bargain.
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>

Jay,

See, I'm coming from a different land here too. I can't get my own car
onto the field to load babies into the airplane, much less a truck full
of gas. If I am willing to drive 50 minutes to the airport instead of
20, I can get onto the field (closest airport that allows private
vehicle access) after jumping through all the right hoops. Yes, I do
make a good living, and my time and the hassle are worth something to
me. If my plane could use mogas (it can't, there is no STC for it, as
the min octane requirement is 96), and I could get a truck onto the
airport to refuel it, etc, then it MIGHT be worth it. Fact is, I buy
close to 60% of all my avgas away from home and I do shop around for
lowest Avgas prices, so it would take me much longer to amortize the
cost of equipment over the savings. You have an advantage of lower
fuel burn and the ability to tanker around the same volume of gas that I
can.

So, I think its great that you can make the grape work for you. There
are a lot of us out there that for a multitude of reasons doing so is
either impractical (airport access, not enough fuel taken on at home vs
total fuel used, permits), or impossible (engines > 250 HP).

Ray Andraka

January 9th 07, 12:57 AM

Jay,

Around here there is also the issue of ethanol in the auto-fuel. I
don't think there are any stations left here that sell without ethanol
(state law?). Our autogas prices are running around $2.70/ gal right
now, compared with $3.50/gal for Avgas at WST, which is where I
frequently stop to fill up. KPVD is charging I think $4.85/g now. I
know some of the local EAA members have been complaining about lack of
availability of mogas without ethanol.

Jay Honeck

January 9th 07, 02:08 AM

> You Iowans should consider
> yourselves lucky that you aren't forced to buy polluted fuel.

Sorry, John -- I know many folks are stuck with that corn fuel in their
gas, and I feel especially guilty since it's my state of Iowa that is
the source for much of that crap.

I'm scared to death that our new Democrat majority (in Iowa, they now
control all three branches of government) will mandate ethanol in
everything here, too. When that happens, Mary and I will be screwed,
too.

:-(
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination'

Jay Honeck

January 9th 07, 02:15 AM

> See, I'm coming from a different land here too. I can't get my own car
> onto the field to load babies into the airplane, much less a truck full
> of gas.

That is incredibly stupid. Where do you fly from?

Heck, even at the larger airports in this area (Kansas City downtown,
Cedar Rapids, Madison, etc.) you can drive a courtesy car out to your
plane.

It's good to live where common sense still rules, I guess.

> So, I think its great that you can make the grape work for you. There
> are a lot of us out there that for a multitude of reasons doing so is
> either impractical (airport access, not enough fuel taken on at home vs
> total fuel used, permits), or impossible (engines > 250 HP).

Until ethanol is everywhere (which, I fear, our new Congress will soon
be mandating), I will continue to enjoy the use of mogas in our plane.
Quite frankly (until it is impossible to use) I wouldn't consider
buying a plane that couldn't burn mogas, given the cost differential
with avgas.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination'

Newps

January 9th 07, 02:38 AM

Jay Honeck wrote:

>
>
> Quite frankly (until it is impossible to use) I wouldn't consider
> buying a plane that couldn't burn mogas, given the cost differential
> with avgas.

I have to use 100LL now with the Bonanza but it is so much more
efficient that I am burning 4.5 GPH less to go the same speed as the 182
I had before. I am spending a lot less on gas than before.

Ray Andraka

January 9th 07, 03:06 AM

Jay Honeck wrote:

>>See, I'm coming from a different land here too. I can't get my own car
>>onto the field to load babies into the airplane, much less a truck full
>>of gas.
>
>
> That is incredibly stupid. Where do you fly from?

KPVD, Providence RI. TSA shut down access to the field after 9/11.
Before that we could get on with a vehicle escort. Not only that but we
have to pay for stinkin badges, and they keep having us come in to renew
the badges, provide more credentials, take security tests, get
fingerprinted etc, etc, etc. I guess the upside is I'm reasonably
assured that some bozo isn't going to come in and mess with my plane.

If we were not so embedded in the community, I'd strongly consider
moving somewhere that a) has a lower cost of living, b) isn't so steeped
in idiotic beauracracy and c) is more centrally located so I get better
utility out of the airplane. My wife says no for now though.

As far as planes that burn mogas, well, show me one that has enough
seats for my brood that will burn mogas, and you might make a convert
out of me. Kind of a moot point here though, because pretty much
everything they sell here now is corn gas.

>
> Heck, even at the larger airports in this area (Kansas City downtown,
> Cedar Rapids, Madison, etc.) you can drive a courtesy car out to your
> plane.
>
> It's good to live where common sense still rules, I guess.
>
>
>>So, I think its great that you can make the grape work for you. There
>>are a lot of us out there that for a multitude of reasons doing so is
>>either impractical (airport access, not enough fuel taken on at home vs
>>total fuel used, permits), or impossible (engines > 250 HP).
>
>
> Until ethanol is everywhere (which, I fear, our new Congress will soon
> be mandating), I will continue to enjoy the use of mogas in our plane.
> Quite frankly (until it is impossible to use) I wouldn't consider
> buying a plane that couldn't burn mogas, given the cost differential
> with avgas.
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination'
>

Frank Stutzman

January 9th 07, 04:21 AM

Ray Andraka > wrote:
> As far as planes that burn mogas, well, show me one that has enough
> seats for my brood that will burn mogas, and you might make a convert
> out of me.

The R-985 engines in a Beech 18 will burn mogas. Seats 8. How big is
your brood?

Unfortunately, I think the added consumption kinda kills any savings...

--
Frank Stutzman
Bonanza N494B "Hula Girl"
Hood River, OR

Jay Honeck

January 9th 07, 12:45 PM

> As far as planes that burn mogas, well, show me one that has enough
> seats for my brood that will burn mogas, and you might make a convert
> out of me. Kind of a moot point here though, because pretty much
> everything they sell here now is corn gas.

Like Frank says, a Beech 18 would do the trick.

Now THAT would up the "cool factor" of your arrivals, no?

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Ray Andraka

January 9th 07, 02:08 PM

Jay Honeck wrote:

>>As far as planes that burn mogas, well, show me one that has enough
>>seats for my brood that will burn mogas, and you might make a convert
>>out of me. Kind of a moot point here though, because pretty much
>>everything they sell here now is corn gas.
>
>
> Like Frank says, a Beech 18 would do the trick.
>
> Now THAT would up the "cool factor" of your arrivals, no?
>
> ;-)
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>

Yeah, a B-18 would be cool, and it would be comfortable for the the six
kids. Unfortunately, it wouldn't fly very much, even if I could fuel it
with mogas.

Jim[_11_]

January 9th 07, 03:19 PM

6 kids? Wow... what are you flying now?!

Jim (oldest of 7)

"Ray Andraka" > wrote in message
...
> Jay Honeck wrote:
>
> >>As far as planes that burn mogas, well, show me one that has enough
> >>seats for my brood that will burn mogas, and you might make a convert
> >>out of me. Kind of a moot point here though, because pretty much
> >>everything they sell here now is corn gas.
> >
> >
> > Like Frank says, a Beech 18 would do the trick.
> >
> > Now THAT would up the "cool factor" of your arrivals, no?
> >
> > ;-)
> > --
> > Jay Honeck
> > Iowa City, IA
> > Pathfinder N56993
> > www.AlexisParkInn.com
> > "Your Aviation Destination"
> >
>
> Yeah, a B-18 would be cool, and it would be comfortable for the the six
> kids. Unfortunately, it wouldn't fly very much, even if I could fuel it
> with mogas.

Ray Andraka

January 9th 07, 06:29 PM

Jim wrote:

> 6 kids? Wow... what are you flying now?!
>

A cherokee Six-260 with the 7th seat. Youngest is still under 2, so
riding on the lap still works for him for a few more weeks. Oldest is
17, so he's not always travelling with us these days.

Jay Honeck

January 10th 07, 03:13 PM

> > 6 kids? Wow... what are you flying now?!
>
> A cherokee Six-260 with the 7th seat. Youngest is still under 2, so
> riding on the lap still works for him for a few more weeks. Oldest is
> 17, so he's not always travelling with us these days.

When Ray arrives at the Cherokee Pilots Association fly-in, it's gonna
look like one of those clown-car routines! ;-)

I haven't followed the debate in the Cherokee Chat, Ray -- did you ever
work out the conflict with Father's Day for the fly-in? I'm handling
it by simply making the Cherokee Pilots Association fly in the
centerpiece of my Father's Day festivities... (It beats sitting
around the house, eating breakfast in bed, IMHO...)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jim[_11_]

January 10th 07, 07:46 PM

I can see a Pilatus or a Caravan in Ray's future to simply solve the 100LL
problem :) But that throws a wrench into the CPA Fly In!

Jim

Montblack

January 10th 07, 10:07 PM

("Jim" wrote)
>I can see a Pilatus or a Caravan in Ray's future to simply solve the 100LL
>problem :) But that throws a wrench into the CPA Fly In!

Pilatus Meridian?

Montblack

Ray Andraka

January 10th 07, 11:58 PM

Jim wrote:
> I can see a Pilatus or a Caravan in Ray's future to simply solve the 100LL
> problem :) But that throws a wrench into the CPA Fly In!
>
> Jim
>
>
>

A Caravan is on my list if I ever strike it rich :-) An AN-2 would be
another way to garner attention on the ramp, but at 45gph for 140 kts
using 100LL, it is rather expensive to fly.

Ray Andraka

January 11th 07, 12:02 AM

Jay Honeck wrote:

>>>6 kids? Wow... what are you flying now?!
>>
>>A cherokee Six-260 with the 7th seat. Youngest is still under 2, so
>>riding on the lap still works for him for a few more weeks. Oldest is
>>17, so he's not always travelling with us these days.
>
>
> When Ray arrives at the Cherokee Pilots Association fly-in, it's gonna
> look like one of those clown-car routines! ;-)
>
> I haven't followed the debate in the Cherokee Chat, Ray -- did you ever
> work out the conflict with Father's Day for the fly-in? I'm handling
> it by simply making the Cherokee Pilots Association fly in the
> centerpiece of my Father's Day festivities... (It beats sitting
> around the house, eating breakfast in bed, IMHO...)
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>

Jay, it is that way no matter where we arrive. I've been known to bring
the whole brood, plus the dog (a fat yellow lab), and bags for a several
day visit. Even with all that, I still have enough useful load to fill
the tanks, and in the Six, that is almost 6 hours worth of fuel.
Unfortunately, we'll most likely be going to visit my parents for
Father's day weekend, along with all my sibling's families, so the CPA
flyin isn't likely to be a destination this year, especially considering
my older boys have final exams the week before and the week after that
weekend.

[email protected]

January 11th 07, 12:55 AM

Ray Andraka > wrote:
> Jim wrote:
> > I can see a Pilatus or a Caravan in Ray's future to simply solve the 100LL
> > problem :) But that throws a wrench into the CPA Fly In!
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
> >

> A Caravan is on my list if I ever strike it rich :-) An AN-2 would be
> another way to garner attention on the ramp, but at 45gph for 140 kts
> using 100LL, it is rather expensive to fly.

Don't forget the 1 qph to 1 gph (depending on condition) of oil.

--
Jim Pennino

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Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe

January 11th 07, 02:22 AM

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>> > 6 kids? Wow... what are you flying now?!
>>
>> A cherokee Six-260 with the 7th seat. Youngest is still under 2, so
>> riding on the lap still works for him for a few more weeks. Oldest is
>> 17, so he's not always travelling with us these days.
>
> When Ray arrives at the Cherokee Pilots Association fly-in, it's gonna
> look like one of those clown-car routines! ;-)

I've seen 5 people climb out of a Luscombe...

--
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The Sea Hawk at Wow Way d0t Com
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Jay Honeck

January 11th 07, 03:32 PM

> Jay, it is that way no matter where we arrive. I've been known to bring
> the whole brood, plus the dog (a fat yellow lab), and bags for a several
> day visit. Even with all that, I still have enough useful load to fill
> the tanks, and in the Six, that is almost 6 hours worth of fuel.
> Unfortunately, we'll most likely be going to visit my parents for
> Father's day weekend, along with all my sibling's families, so the CPA
> flyin isn't likely to be a destination this year, especially considering
> my older boys have final exams the week before and the week after that
> weekend.

Dang. And I thought *our* kids went to school late in the summer. Yours
are in class the third week of JUNE?

I really, truly enjoy the Cherokee fly in. It is so informative, and
so friendly. The guys that put it together are doing it because they
love to do it, not so they can raise money -- and THAT makes a huge
difference, IMHO. It's really become our favorite fly in of the
summer.

Oh, well. There's talk of moving it to another location for '08, so
maybe they'll move the time, too?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Ray Andraka

January 11th 07, 07:45 PM

Jay Honeck wrote:

>

Yeah, tell me about it. Third week of June is the last week of school.
Barring any snow days, the 18th is the last day (most years we have a
few snow days; this year so far has been too warm).

I like Tan-Tar-A, and it seems like a good place to bring the family,
although last time I was solo because of a conflict. Too bad on this
year's timing. Maybe next year. I also think it is one of the best
fly-ins. Maybe I'll make it out to OSH this year.

Matt Whiting

January 11th 07, 11:45 PM

Jay Honeck wrote:

>>Jay, it is that way no matter where we arrive. I've been known to bring
>>the whole brood, plus the dog (a fat yellow lab), and bags for a several
>>day visit. Even with all that, I still have enough useful load to fill
>>the tanks, and in the Six, that is almost 6 hours worth of fuel.
>>Unfortunately, we'll most likely be going to visit my parents for
>>Father's day weekend, along with all my sibling's families, so the CPA
>>flyin isn't likely to be a destination this year, especially considering
>>my older boys have final exams the week before and the week after that
>>weekend.
>
>
> Dang. And I thought *our* kids went to school late in the summer. Yours
> are in class the third week of JUNE?

He must live in the Republic of NY.

Matt

Margy Natalie

January 12th 07, 12:50 AM

Matt Whiting wrote:
> Jay Honeck wrote:
>
>>> Jay, it is that way no matter where we arrive. I've been known to bring
>>> the whole brood, plus the dog (a fat yellow lab), and bags for a several
>>> day visit. Even with all that, I still have enough useful load to fill
>>> the tanks, and in the Six, that is almost 6 hours worth of fuel.
>>> Unfortunately, we'll most likely be going to visit my parents for
>>> Father's day weekend, along with all my sibling's families, so the CPA
>>> flyin isn't likely to be a destination this year, especially considering
>>> my older boys have final exams the week before and the week after that
>>> weekend.
>>
>>
>>
>> Dang. And I thought *our* kids went to school late in the summer. Yours
>> are in class the third week of JUNE?
>
>
> He must live in the Republic of NY.
>
> Matt
Almost any state in the North East. I think it's weird that some places
start school BEFORE LABOR DAY!!! Of course if you don't start in August
you are there in June.

Margy (working year round now)

Matt Whiting

January 12th 07, 03:14 AM

Margy Natalie wrote:

> Matt Whiting wrote:
>
>> Jay Honeck wrote:
>>
>>>> Jay, it is that way no matter where we arrive. I've been known to
>>>> bring
>>>> the whole brood, plus the dog (a fat yellow lab), and bags for a
>>>> several
>>>> day visit. Even with all that, I still have enough useful load to fill
>>>> the tanks, and in the Six, that is almost 6 hours worth of fuel.
>>>> Unfortunately, we'll most likely be going to visit my parents for
>>>> Father's day weekend, along with all my sibling's families, so the CPA
>>>> flyin isn't likely to be a destination this year, especially
>>>> considering
>>>> my older boys have final exams the week before and the week after that
>>>> weekend.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dang. And I thought *our* kids went to school late in the summer. Yours
>>> are in class the third week of JUNE?
>>
>>
>>
>> He must live in the Republic of NY.
>>
>> Matt
>
> Almost any state in the North East. I think it's weird that some places
> start school BEFORE LABOR DAY!!! Of course if you don't start in August
> you are there in June.

Not PA where I live. First week of June.

Matt