jeppesen updates for the Garmin waas units

[me[_1_]]

Did anyone come to a conclusion yet on the question of whether or not the
PCI adapter will still work to update the cards for the 430/530 waas units ?

Is it also confirmed that it uses a new card ?

Jeppesens web site is terrible ! try a search on the key word waas and it
comes up with zero hits.
Also there navdata pages do not mention anything about waas.

Thanks in advance...

[Viperdoc[_4_]]

I will be picking up my new 430W/530W installation next week. The cards are
physically the same, but have more RAM.

Jepp told me the new cards are not supported by the PCM/CIA adapter, and
need the USB writer.

I have yet to test this, or upgrade my subscription.

[Paul kgyy]

On Mar 9, 8:01 pm, "Viperdoc" > wrote:
> I will be picking up my new 430W/530W installation next week. The cards are
> physically the same, but have more RAM.
>
> Jepp told me the new cards are not supported by the PCM/CIA adapter, and
> need the USB writer.
>

This is consistent with what Jepp told me also. They offer a special
$80 price on the USB adaptor. The new cards have 16meg, the old ones
4 I think.

You can roll your old subscription into the new WAAS subscription,
which is slightly more expensive.

[Karl]

I swapped my 430 for the 430W unit a few weeks back and indeed the
WAAS unit uses a 16 BM data card (I don't know the size of the terrain
card yet).

The card requires the USB adapter for programming and it takes about
30-40 minutes to burn a new one.

The terrain cards are only available from Garmin, and they have a
different hardware device for programming them. Garmin wants about $99
for that unit. The terrain updates are $35 for a single update and I
believe it's $410 for the annual subscription.

As for the Jeppesen update, the can cancel your non-waas remaining
time and credit it to the new WAAS subscription. Very helpful folks
there.

On Fri, 9 Mar 2007 19:40:27 -0500, "me" > wrote:

>Did anyone come to a conclusion yet on the question of whether or not the
>PCI adapter will still work to update the cards for the 430/530 waas units ?
>
>Is it also confirmed that it uses a new card ?
>
>Jeppesens web site is terrible ! try a search on the key word waas and it
>comes up with zero hits.
>Also there navdata pages do not mention anything about waas.
>
>Thanks in advance...
>
>
>

Karl - PP/ASEL/IA

[Mooney]

I'm brand new to this Garmin 430 updating process. Just got a 430WAAS
in my 201 and paid $149 for the data writer. They wanted another $150
or so for a second data card -- OUCH!! Haven't downloaded update yet
but will soon. Did you say I need a different writer for the terrain
card!?? And it is a different card type so if I need a backup for that
I will need to pay an extra $150 or so? And it costs $410/year for
terrain updates!?? I think I'll take up bowling! Heck, terrain doesn't
change much ... Ok towers and such but still, this is silly. What is
the FAA requirement for updating terrain data cards??

Chuck

[Viperdoc[_4_]]

You can now purchase the USB datawriter from then for around $80.00.

[Karl]

Yes, you need a different writer for the terrain card - and it's not
from Jeppesen - you get that from Garmin. I believe they said it was
$99, and then you download terrain updates from Garmin - one-time
updates for $35 or a subscription for $210 (i think).

As for a spare terrain data card, you also get that from Garmin. The
terrain card contains both the terrain and the obstacles. The terrain
is not available on a subscription basis, since it is rarely updated,
but the subscription updates your obstacle database every 56 days.

On 10 Mar 2007 06:38:52 -0800, "Mooney" > wrote:

>I'm brand new to this Garmin 430 updating process. Just got a 430WAAS
>in my 201 and paid $149 for the data writer. They wanted another $150
>or so for a second data card -- OUCH!! Haven't downloaded update yet
>but will soon. Did you say I need a different writer for the terrain
>card!?? And it is a different card type so if I need a backup for that
>I will need to pay an extra $150 or so? And it costs $410/year for
>terrain updates!?? I think I'll take up bowling! Heck, terrain doesn't
>change much ... Ok towers and such but still, this is silly. What is
>the FAA requirement for updating terrain data cards??
>
>Chuck
>

Karl - PP/ASEL/IA

[Viperdoc[_3_]]

It may be better to get a spare card from Jepp- (only) $150.00!!



"Karl" > wrote in message
. ..
> Yes, you need a different writer for the terrain card - and it's not
> from Jeppesen - you get that from Garmin. I believe they said it was
> $99, and then you download terrain updates from Garmin - one-time
> updates for $35 or a subscription for $210 (i think).
>
> As for a spare terrain data card, you also get that from Garmin. The
> terrain card contains both the terrain and the obstacles. The terrain
> is not available on a subscription basis, since it is rarely updated,
> but the subscription updates your obstacle database every 56 days.
>
> On 10 Mar 2007 06:38:52 -0800, "Mooney" > wrote:
>
>>I'm brand new to this Garmin 430 updating process. Just got a 430WAAS
>>in my 201 and paid $149 for the data writer. They wanted another $150
>>or so for a second data card -- OUCH!! Haven't downloaded update yet
>>but will soon. Did you say I need a different writer for the terrain
>>card!?? And it is a different card type so if I need a backup for that
>>I will need to pay an extra $150 or so? And it costs $410/year for
>>terrain updates!?? I think I'll take up bowling! Heck, terrain doesn't
>>change much ... Ok towers and such but still, this is silly. What is
>>the FAA requirement for updating terrain data cards??
>>
>>Chuck
>>
>
> Karl - PP/ASEL/IA

[me[_1_]]

Thanks to everyone for the info..
Should have my 530w very soon and then I can spend the extra bucks with
jeppesen.


"me" > wrote in message ...
> Did anyone come to a conclusion yet on the question of whether or not the
> PCI adapter will still work to update the cards for the 430/530 waas units
> ?
>
> Is it also confirmed that it uses a new card ?
>
> Jeppesens web site is terrible ! try a search on the key word waas and it
> comes up with zero hits.
> Also there navdata pages do not mention anything about waas.
>
> Thanks in advance...
>
>
>

[Viperdoc]

The 530W is apparently missing some previous nice features of the legacy
units- namely, on the main nav page you can display lightning, but not
nexrad.

Also, on the older units you could show nexrad and lightning on the same
page, but on the 530W you can only look at lightning.

On the map page, but not the main nav page you can display both, as before.

What gives with this? Why are we losing functionality with the supposed
upgrade?

My avionics guy called Garmin on this, and got some weak answer about range,
or some such, which if true, should have also been the case in the legacy
units.

I'm picking up my 530W/430W installation this Wednesday, so should have more
info at that time.

[me[_1_]]

You will also find that the TAS and wind calculations on the 530w wont work
either..
Garmin said it will be fixed in the next software release.

Funny how an ifr certified unit can have functions that don't work as they
should..

Even though TAS calculations are not required it kind of makes me wonder if
there is anything else that doesn't work and they didn't tell anybody about
!!

"Viperdoc" > wrote in message
...
> The 530W is apparently missing some previous nice features of the legacy
> units- namely, on the main nav page you can display lightning, but not
> nexrad.
>
> Also, on the older units you could show nexrad and lightning on the same
> page, but on the 530W you can only look at lightning.
>
> On the map page, but not the main nav page you can display both, as
> before.
>
> What gives with this? Why are we losing functionality with the supposed
> upgrade?
>
> My avionics guy called Garmin on this, and got some weak answer about
> range, or some such, which if true, should have also been the case in the
> legacy units.
>
> I'm picking up my 530W/430W installation this Wednesday, so should have
> more info at that time.
>
>

[Viperdoc[_4_]]

The auto range does not work on the 530 W either.

Worse, the nexrad doesn't show up on the main nav page- a terrible
overisght.