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Was I dreaming? Or did I once hear that RNP 1 and 2 stars/sids had
been published in the USA? I see type A and B, but these are RNAV,
and so must have no RNP requirement whatsoever, and can be flown by
any /G aircraft. Anyone provide some info?

Stan

[Stan Prevost]

The RNAV A and B are now RNAV 1 and 2.


> wrote in message
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> Was I dreaming? Or did I once hear that RNP 1 and 2 stars/sids had
> been published in the USA? I see type A and B, but these are RNAV,
> and so must have no RNP requirement whatsoever, and can be flown by
> any /G aircraft. Anyone provide some info?
>
> Stan

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Ror RNAV 1 and 2 then, can you explain what the 1 and 2 mean, and any
relation to RNP 1 and 2?

On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 22:39:13 -0500, "Stan Prevost"
> wrote:

>The RNAV A and B are now RNAV 1 and 2.
>
>
> wrote in message
...
>> Was I dreaming? Or did I once hear that RNP 1 and 2 stars/sids had
>> been published in the USA? I see type A and B, but these are RNAV,
>> and so must have no RNP requirement whatsoever, and can be flown by
>> any /G aircraft. Anyone provide some info?
>>
>> Stan
>

[Stan Prevost[_1_]]

Sorry, I don't have (or know) a concise explanation of the relationship
between the RNAV requirements and RNP requirements. I was just pointing out
a recent change. Here are some references.

https://www.jeppesen.com/download/briefbull/bulletinjep_07_A.pdf

http://www.faa.gov/ats/atp/rnp/ac_90-100a.pdf

http://www.faa.gov/ats/atp/rnp/rnav.htm

http://tinyurl.com/2snraa

Stan

> wrote in message
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> Ror RNAV 1 and 2 then, can you explain what the 1 and 2 mean, and any
> relation to RNP 1 and 2?
>
> On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 22:39:13 -0500, "Stan Prevost"
> > wrote:
>
>>The RNAV A and B are now RNAV 1 and 2.
>>
>>
> wrote in message
...
>>> Was I dreaming? Or did I once hear that RNP 1 and 2 stars/sids had
>>> been published in the USA? I see type A and B, but these are RNAV,
>>> and so must have no RNP requirement whatsoever, and can be flown by
>>> any /G aircraft. Anyone provide some info?
>>>
>>> Stan
>>
>

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On 23 mar, 16:11, "Stan Prevost" > wrote:
> Sorry, I don't have (or know) a concise explanation of the relationship
> between the RNAV requirements and RNP requirements. I was just pointing out
> a recent change. Here are some references.

RNAV usually means B-RNAV which is "aircraft must not deviate more
than 5 NM from the route during 95% of time".
So B-RNAV=RNP 5.
we begin to see RNP 2 and RNP 1 for more accurancy (RNP1=P-RNAV,
precision-RNAV).
SID/STAR are usually RNP 1 already in Europe. Enroute are RNP 5 or 2.
RNP1 can not be flown safely by a human being. So expect radar vectors
for departure/arrival

Fred

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On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 09:11:55 -0500, "Stan Prevost" >
wrote:

>Sorry, I don't have (or know) a concise explanation of the relationship
>between the RNAV requirements and RNP requirements. I was just pointing out
>a recent change. Here are some references.
>
>https://www.jeppesen.com/download/briefbull/bulletinjep_07_A.pdf
>
>http://www.faa.gov/ats/atp/rnp/ac_90-100a.pdf
>
>http://www.faa.gov/ats/atp/rnp/rnav.htm
>
>http://tinyurl.com/2snraa
>
>Stan
>
> wrote in message
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>> Ror RNAV 1 and 2 then, can you explain what the 1 and 2 mean, and any
>> relation to RNP 1 and 2?
>>

Thanks Stan. All good info. BTW, I never did see any requirement
that RNAV 1 or RNAV 2 sids or stars have the designation of RNP 1 or
2. So....while one may think obvioulsy it does, the FAA does not use
that RNP terminology in the the way RNP 10, for example, is required
in the Pacific. Stan

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On 2 Apr 2007 06:35:11 -0700, " >
wrote:

>On 23 mar, 16:11, "Stan Prevost" > wrote:
>> Sorry, I don't have (or know) a concise explanation of the relationship
>> between the RNAV requirements and RNP requirements. I was just pointing out
>> a recent change. Here are some references.
>
>RNAV usually means B-RNAV which is "aircraft must not deviate more
>than 5 NM from the route during 95% of time".
>So B-RNAV=RNP 5.
>we begin to see RNP 2 and RNP 1 for more accurancy (RNP1=P-RNAV,
>precision-RNAV).
>SID/STAR are usually RNP 1 already in Europe. Enroute are RNP 5 or 2.
>RNP1 can not be flown safely by a human being. So expect radar vectors
>for departure/arrival
>
Thanks Fred. So if BRNAV is RNP 5, why use the term BRNAV?
While I've heard of PRNAV, I've not seen that one **needs** RNP 1 in
order to be PRNAV approved, Similarly, I don't think in the US
operators will need RNP1 or 2 approval to fly the new RNAV 1 or 2
sids/stars. All very murky to me.. Stan