Call for flight department guide for employee pilots

[Jim Carter[_1_]]

I need to propose a reinstatement of our company's policy or allowing employees to fly private aircraft on business. I have a copy of our old plan which was closed down because it was too hard to administer given the limited number of pilots that qualified and used it.

I'd appreciate those among us who work for companies that have reasonable and responsible policies, contacting me if they can share those plans.



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Jim Carter
Rogers, Arkansas

[[email protected]]

On Apr 4, 6:33 am, "Jim Carter" > wrote:
> I need to propose a reinstatement of our company's policy or allowing employees to fly private aircraft on business. I have a copy of our old plan which was closed down because it was too hard to administer given the limited number of pilots that qualified and used it.
>
> I'd appreciate those among us who work for companies that have reasonable and responsible policies, contacting me if they can share those plans.
>
> --
> Jim Carter
> Rogers, Arkansas

At one time HP had a private flying policy that had 2 branches:

1. Your convenience: Reimbursed = airline, can only carry family
members, IR some # hours,
$1M smooth required (later went to $2M)

2. Company Convenience: Could carry other HP people and customers;
reimbursed at
actual cost (probably illegal for part 91). Required general
manager approval.

That was when the CEO and many of the VPs were pilots.
I used it for a number or trips. It was a long time ago.

The new plan:

1. Nada. Make the trip your own time and try to scam the gas
receipts
as if it was a car. Nothing sanctioned.

Bill Hale
HP -> Agilent -> Verigy

[David Lesher]

On Apr 4, 6:33 am, "Jim Carter" > wrote:
> I need to propose a reinstatement of our company's policy or allowing employee
>
>> I'd appreciate those among us who work for companies that have reasonable and
>>

I recall (Dave Touretzky) did such at CMU...


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A host is a host from coast to
& no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX
Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

[Jim Carter[_1_]]

Thanks, I've dropped Dave a line. BTW, some other responder suggested I contact NBAA - I did - they have nothing to help me and commented that most companies are killing their employee pilot programs. Yikes!!!

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Jim Carter
Rogers, Arkansas
"David Lesher" > wrote in message ...

On Apr 4, 6:33 am, "Jim Carter" > wrote:
> I need to propose a reinstatement of our company's policy or allowing employee
>
>> I'd appreciate those among us who work for companies that have reasonable and
>>

I recall (Dave Touretzky) did such at CMU...


--
A host is a host from coast to
& no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX
Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

[Travis Marlatte]

There was some discussion here a while back. It seems that most who flew personal planes on business did so not by act of policy but by lack of it. Such is the case for the company I work for. The insurance policy does not have any specific inclusions or exclusions of flying while performing company business.

Many years ago, I asked the chief council if it was allowed. I felt safe in doing so only because I knew him personally. I felt that he would give me a straight answer without stiring the waters into a froth. He very directly said that it was not disallowed, therefore it was allowed and covered just like any other form of transportation.

Every few years, I get a copy of our insurance policy just to make sure some exclusionary clause hasn't appeared. So far so good and I'm not going to ask for clarification again.

I have expensed it as car mileage (significantly less than my cost). I have also expensed it as direct costs (allowed by the FAA). Both were accepted by the accounting department. In fact, they were happier with the larger but clearer expense of flying costs since it was clear as to why I needed a rental car.

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Travis
Lake N3094P
PWK
"David Lesher" > wrote in message ...

On Apr 4, 6:33 am, "Jim Carter" > wrote:
> I need to propose a reinstatement of our company's policy or allowing employee

[Jim Carter[_1_]]

Thanks for the input Travis. When HP had a policy they reimbursed based on comparable lowest-seat-cost from the part 121 scheduled airlines. Since HP also had a policy that tended to limit travel by automobile to 3 hours or less one-way, I often wondered how they handled sites in the middle of Montana, or even Hurricane, Utah. You just can't get there from here unless you use private aircraft.

I'll let the group know how things proceed if anything significant comes of the effort.

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Jim Carter
Rogers, Arkansas
"Travis Marlatte" > wrote in message ...
There was some discussion here a while back. It seems that most who flew personal planes on business did so not by act of policy but by lack of it. Such is the case for the company I work for. The insurance policy does not have any specific inclusions or exclusions of flying while performing company business.

Many years ago, I asked the chief council if it was allowed. I felt safe in doing so only because I knew him personally. I felt that he would give me a straight answer without stiring the waters into a froth. He very directly said that it was not disallowed, therefore it was allowed and covered just like any other form of transportation.

Every few years, I get a copy of our insurance policy just to make sure some exclusionary clause hasn't appeared. So far so good and I'm not going to ask for clarification again.

I have expensed it as car mileage (significantly less than my cost). I have also expensed it as direct costs (allowed by the FAA). Both were accepted by the accounting department. In fact, they were happier with the larger but clearer expense of flying costs since it was clear as to why I needed a rental car.

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Travis
Lake N3094P
PWK
"David Lesher" > wrote in message ...

On Apr 4, 6:33 am, "Jim Carter" > wrote:
> I need to propose a reinstatement of our company's policy or allowing employee

[Bret Berger]

Jim Carter wrote:
> Thanks for the input Travis. When HP had a policy they reimbursed based
> on comparable lowest-seat-cost from the part 121 scheduled airlines.
> Since HP also had a policy that tended to limit travel by automobile to
> 3 hours or less one-way, I often wondered how they handled sites in the
> middle of Montana, or even Hurricane, Utah. You just can't get there
> from here unless you use private aircraft.

LAX -(Skywest [United Connection])-> SGU -(19.6 mile drive)-> Hurricane

btw, that's pronounced "Hur-ra-cun"

[Jim Carter[_1_]]

We don't serve Hurricane out of LAX. We support the Hurricane customer out of Las Vegas. I know its not the best solution, but hey - they didn't ask me.

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Jim Carter
Rogers, Arkansas
"Bret Berger" > wrote in message ...
Jim Carter wrote:
> Thanks for the input Travis. When HP had a policy they reimbursed based
> on comparable lowest-seat-cost from the part 121 scheduled airlines.
> Since HP also had a policy that tended to limit travel by automobile to
> 3 hours or less one-way, I often wondered how they handled sites in the
> middle of Montana, or even Hurricane, Utah. You just can't get there
> from here unless you use private aircraft.

LAX -(Skywest [United Connection])-> SGU -(19.6 mile drive)-> Hurricane

btw, that's pronounced "Hur-ra-cun"