KOSU Arrival ATIS

[john smith[_2_]]

From EAA HOTLINE v7#14

NEW EAA AIRVENTURE ARRIVAL ATIS FREQUENCY TO BE USED
The FAA will use a new frequency for the AirVenture 2007 Arrival ATIS
this year. The frequency will have a higher-powered transmitter,
allowing pilots at a distance from Oshkosh to receive ATIS information
sooner. This is one the important changes that will appear in the 2007
EAA AirVenture NOTAM, and all pilots planning to fly in to Wittman
Regional Airport during the week are urged to obtain a copy.

Think they will tell us anymore than they have in the past?

[Ron Natalie]

john smith wrote:

> Think they will tell us anymore than they have in the past?

What would you like to know? Yes, this year they could have
done a better job on the two incidents that involved closing
the runway, but it's hard when you're trying to deal with
those incidents to worry about whether people coming in should
hold or divert.

The big issue is that you got a lot of people who are by NOT
familiar with Oshkosh (having never flown in their before) and
these people need all the advance notice they can get from
procedures. Another problem with the old frequency was that
it was actually in use by ATC and when blazing up from Milwaukee
you'd actually hear planes talking to ATC on it.

[Blueskies]

"john smith" > wrote in message ...
: From EAA HOTLINE v7#14
:
: NEW EAA AIRVENTURE ARRIVAL ATIS FREQUENCY TO BE USED
: The FAA will use a new frequency for the AirVenture 2007 Arrival ATIS
: this year. The frequency will have a higher-powered transmitter,
: allowing pilots at a distance from Oshkosh to receive ATIS information
: sooner. This is one the important changes that will appear in the 2007
: EAA AirVenture NOTAM, and all pilots planning to fly in to Wittman
: Regional Airport during the week are urged to obtain a copy.
:
: Think they will tell us anymore than they have in the past?



Maybe they will have the right identifier on the subject line...


;-)

[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, Ron Natalie > said:
>procedures. Another problem with the old frequency was that
>it was actually in use by ATC and when blazing up from Milwaukee
>you'd actually hear planes talking to ATC on it.

I had that problem crossing Lake Michigan in 2005. Then ATIS was saying
that the camping was full, but when we landed there were plenty of spots.

Personally, I think they should tell people who don't have the NOTAM to
get the **** out of the airspace rather than tying up the frequency like
that moron last year.

--
Paul Tomblin > http://blog.xcski.com/
Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of
tapes hurtling down the highway.
-- Andrew Tannenbaum possibly quoting Warren Jackson

[john smith[_2_]]

In article >,
"Blueskies" > wrote:

> Maybe they will have the right identifier on the subject line...

Read back error.
Being based out of KOSU, I typed what I am used to,
Besides, look at the posting time.

[Ron Natalie]

Paul Tomblin wrote:

> I had that problem crossing Lake Michigan in 2005. Then ATIS was saying
> that the camping was full, but when we landed there were plenty of spots.

Spots on the field open and close throughout the show. Combine this
with the fact that there are no fewer than three classes of parking
these days because of endless turf wars between homebuilders, warbirds,
antique/classic, etc...

>
> Personally, I think they should tell people who don't have the NOTAM to
> get the **** out of the airspace rather than tying up the frequency like
> that moron last year.
>

That would work for me. Tell them to go to Appleton and read the NOTAM.
But sometimes it's better to get the idiots out of the air and on the
ground where they can do less harm.

[Blueskies]

"Ron Natalie" > wrote in message m...
: >
:
: That would work for me. Tell them to go to Appleton and read the NOTAM.
: But sometimes it's better to get the idiots out of the air and on the
: ground where they can do less harm.



They should also be written up for not having all the information pertinent to the flight...

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Ron Natalie" > wrote in message
m...
>
> That would work for me. Tell them to go to Appleton and read the NOTAM.
> But sometimes it's better to get the idiots out of the air and on the
> ground where they can do less harm.
>

The NOTAM has arrival procedures for Appleton as well. Perhaps an airport
less impacted by the event would be a better choice.

[Ron Natalie]

Blueskies wrote:
> "Ron Natalie" > wrote in message m...
> : >
> :
> : That would work for me. Tell them to go to Appleton and read the NOTAM.
> : But sometimes it's better to get the idiots out of the air and on the
> : ground where they can do less harm.
>
>
>
> They should also be written up for not having all the information pertinent to the flight...
>
>
Frankly, the last thing we need is FAA enforcement trolling around for
business at Oshkosh.

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Ron Natalie" > wrote in message
m...
>
> Frankly, the last thing we need is FAA enforcement trolling around for
> business at Oshkosh.
>

Probably. But it wouldn't hurt to have greater enforcement of FARs that
actually have an adverse affect on others.

[Kyle Boatright]

"john smith" > wrote in message
...
> From EAA HOTLINE v7#14
>
> NEW EAA AIRVENTURE ARRIVAL ATIS FREQUENCY TO BE USED
> The FAA will use a new frequency for the AirVenture 2007 Arrival ATIS
> this year. The frequency will have a higher-powered transmitter,
> allowing pilots at a distance from Oshkosh to receive ATIS information
> sooner. This is one the important changes that will appear in the 2007
> EAA AirVenture NOTAM, and all pilots planning to fly in to Wittman
> Regional Airport during the week are urged to obtain a copy.
>
> Think they will tell us anymore than they have in the past?

Good question. Obsolete data transmitted over a wider area doesn't make it
any better. They need to put more emphasis on keeping the ATIS current...
On numerous occasions, I've found that the ATIS was far out of date compared
to what was actually happening at Fisk/Ripon/Oshkosh...

Something else that would be good would be to allow fly-in guests and
campers to pre-register for the event. After flying a multi hour cross
country, wouldn't it be great to just walk up to the window, present your
EAA card for scanning, and have the volunteer hand you the camping permit
and airshow passes you'd registered for online? Shoot, they could even mail
the stuff to you.

There are few things more annoying than flying 1/3 of the way across the
country only to have to stand in a 30 minute line to hand someone my money.

KB

[Blueskies]

"Ron Natalie" > wrote in message m...
: Blueskies wrote:
: > "Ron Natalie" > wrote in message m...
: > : >
: > :
: > : That would work for me. Tell them to go to Appleton and read the NOTAM.
: > : But sometimes it's better to get the idiots out of the air and on the
: > : ground where they can do less harm.
: >
: >
: >
: > They should also be written up for not having all the information pertinent to the flight...
: >
: >
: Frankly, the last thing we need is FAA enforcement trolling around for
: business at Oshkosh.


Well, if we have laws, they should be enforced. If the law is not necessary it should be removed. Selective enforcement
has a lot to do with the problems we have in this country...

[Ron Natalie]

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
> "Ron Natalie" > wrote in message
> m...
>> That would work for me. Tell them to go to Appleton and read the NOTAM.
>> But sometimes it's better to get the idiots out of the air and on the
>> ground where they can do less harm.
>>
>
> The NOTAM has arrival procedures for Appleton as well. Perhaps an airport
> less impacted by the event would be a better choice.
>
>

Yeah, but it's just listen to the ATIS and call the tower. There are
a few reporting points marked, but it's not anywhere as involved as any
of the Wittman field arrivals.

[Ron Natalie]

> Well, if we have laws, they should be enforced. If the law is not necessary it should be removed. Selective enforcement
> has a lot to do with the problems we have in this country...
>

Don't get me freaking started on here. We don't have laws.
We have a sham of a regulatory process which even thought one
agency is tasked with enacting them, enforcing them, and judging
them, they still make ad hoc rules and interpretations that
make a sham of even their own self-centered regulation
system. It leads to a lot of abuse which is nothing short
of unconstitutional deprivation of liberty and property
without due process of law.

So yes, the FAA needs reform. Until then, keep the regulatory
jack boots away from the major events when they are not strictly needed.
>
>

[Ron Natalie]

Kyle Boatright wrote:

>
> Good question. Obsolete data transmitted over a wider area doesn't make it
> any better. They need to put more emphasis on keeping the ATIS current...
> On numerous occasions, I've found that the ATIS was far out of date compared
> to what was actually happening at Fisk/Ripon/Oshkosh..

Well the ATIS is owned by the FAA. The parking is controlled by the
EAA. While they work together pretty well, the tower and the parking
people do NOT have a direct connection. We don't find the field is
open/closed through any other system other than listening to the ATIS
or the toower frequency.



>
> There are few things more annoying than flying 1/3 of the way across the
> country only to have to stand in a 30 minute line to hand someone my money.
>
This has improved a lot in the 16 years or so I've been going. I
haven't waited in a line more than one or two deep in recent memory
to register. If you really want to see it work well, try the Camp
Scholler drive in lanes. They've got that really fine tuned.

I like your idea though.

[Blueskies]

"Ron Natalie" > wrote in message m...
: Kyle Boatright wrote:
:
: >
: > Good question. Obsolete data transmitted over a wider area doesn't make it
: > any better. They need to put more emphasis on keeping the ATIS current...
: > On numerous occasions, I've found that the ATIS was far out of date compared
: > to what was actually happening at Fisk/Ripon/Oshkosh..
:
: Well the ATIS is owned by the FAA. The parking is controlled by the
: EAA. While they work together pretty well, the tower and the parking
: people do NOT have a direct connection. We don't find the field is
: open/closed through any other system other than listening to the ATIS
: or the toower frequency.
:
:
:

EAA could do an ATIS-like broadcast on a Unicom sort of frequency - maybe could be called AAIS - automated airventure
information service...