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Bertie the Bunyip
July 10th 03, 07:42 PM
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>> On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 12:31:56 -0400, "Scott M. Kozel"
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/0703/08meridian.html
>> >
>> >"6 reported slain at Lockheed Martin facility in Mississippi"
>> >The Atlanta Journal-Constitution: 7/8/03
>> >The Associated Press
>> >
>> >"MERIDIAN, Miss. -- A gunman opened fire at a Lockheed Martin plant
>> >Tuesday, killing five people before killing himself, authorities
>> >said. Lauderdale County Sheriff Billy Sollie confirmed the deaths in
>> >an interview with CNN. Sollie said the gunmen roamed through the
>> >plant, apparently shooting people at random. Officials at the plant
>> >declined comment".
>>
>> Can't wait for Birdstrike Bill's take on this...
>
> The same thing happened when the B-2 shut down. A white seperatist
> that had been working on the production line, under an alias, shot a
> mail man and some Jews.

I really really wish Tarver would never hear about these things.
Only saving grace he'd have is he'd probably do a negative postal and shoot
himself first.


Bertie

Tarver Engineering
July 10th 03, 08:51 PM
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> >
> > "Bàidh Stidean" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 12:31:56 -0400, "Scott M. Kozel"
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> >http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/0703/08meridian.html
> >> >
> >> >"6 reported slain at Lockheed Martin facility in Mississippi"
> >> >The Atlanta Journal-Constitution: 7/8/03
> >> >The Associated Press
> >> >
> >> >"MERIDIAN, Miss. -- A gunman opened fire at a Lockheed Martin plant
> >> >Tuesday, killing five people before killing himself, authorities
> >> >said. Lauderdale County Sheriff Billy Sollie confirmed the deaths in
> >> >an interview with CNN. Sollie said the gunmen roamed through the
> >> >plant, apparently shooting people at random. Officials at the plant
> >> >declined comment".
> >>
> >> Can't wait for Birdstrike Bill's take on this...
> >
> > The same thing happened when the B-2 shut down. A white seperatist
> > that had been working on the production line, under an alias, shot a
> > mail man and some Jews.
>
> I really really wish Tarver would never hear about these things.
> Only saving grace he'd have is he'd probably do a negative postal and
shoot
> himself first.

The F-22 is still 15 months from cancellation and their employees are
already comming unspooled. It would be a good idea to deal with the denial
now.

Bertie the Bunyip
July 11th 03, 12:03 AM
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>> > "Bàidh Stidean" > wrote in message
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>> >> On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 12:31:56 -0400, "Scott M. Kozel"
>> >> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/0703/08meridian.html
>> >> >
>> >> >"6 reported slain at Lockheed Martin facility in Mississippi"
>> >> >The Atlanta Journal-Constitution: 7/8/03
>> >> >The Associated Press
>> >> >
>> >> >"MERIDIAN, Miss. -- A gunman opened fire at a Lockheed Martin
>> >> >plant Tuesday, killing five people before killing himself,
>> >> >authorities said. Lauderdale County Sheriff Billy Sollie
>> >> >confirmed the deaths in an interview with CNN. Sollie said the
>> >> >gunmen roamed through the plant, apparently shooting people at
>> >> >random. Officials at the plant declined comment".
>> >>
>> >> Can't wait for Birdstrike Bill's take on this...
>> >
>> > The same thing happened when the B-2 shut down. A white seperatist
>> > that had been working on the production line, under an alias, shot
>> > a mail man and some Jews.
>>
>> I really really wish Tarver would never hear about these things.
>> Only saving grace he'd have is he'd probably do a negative postal and
> shoot
>> himself first.
>
> The F-22 is still 15 months from cancellation and their employees are
> already comming unspooled. It would be a good idea to deal with the
> denial now.

Please God, let him not have any real firearms



Bertie

Ralph Nesbitt
July 11th 03, 05:00 AM
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> >
> > >
> > > "Bàidh Stidean" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > >> On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 12:31:56 -0400, "Scott M. Kozel"
> > >> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/0703/08meridian.html
> > >> >
> > >> >"6 reported slain at Lockheed Martin facility in Mississippi"
> > >> >The Atlanta Journal-Constitution: 7/8/03
> > >> >The Associated Press
> > >> >
> > >> >"MERIDIAN, Miss. -- A gunman opened fire at a Lockheed Martin plant
> > >> >Tuesday, killing five people before killing himself, authorities
> > >> >said. Lauderdale County Sheriff Billy Sollie confirmed the deaths in
> > >> >an interview with CNN. Sollie said the gunmen roamed through the
> > >> >plant, apparently shooting people at random. Officials at the plant
> > >> >declined comment".
> > >>
> > >> Can't wait for Birdstrike Bill's take on this...
> > >
> > > The same thing happened when the B-2 shut down. A white seperatist
> > > that had been working on the production line, under an alias, shot a
> > > mail man and some Jews.
> >
> > I really really wish Tarver would never hear about these things.
> > Only saving grace he'd have is he'd probably do a negative postal and
> shoot
> > himself first.
>
> The F-22 is still 15 months from cancellation and their employees are
> already comming unspooled. It would be a good idea to deal with the
denial
> now.
>
Anyone as knowledgeable/clued in about the A/C industry as you (Splappy)
claim to be would know the Lockheed Martin Meridian. Ms facility has been/is
dedicated to C-130 sub assembly activities.
Ralph Nesbitt
Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type

Tarver Engineering
July 11th 03, 05:15 AM
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> > > > "Bàidh Stidean" > wrote in message
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> > > >> On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 12:31:56 -0400, "Scott M. Kozel"
> > > >> > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> >http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/0703/08meridian.html
> > > >> >
> > > >> >"6 reported slain at Lockheed Martin facility in Mississippi"
> > > >> >The Atlanta Journal-Constitution: 7/8/03
> > > >> >The Associated Press
> > > >> >
> > > >> >"MERIDIAN, Miss. -- A gunman opened fire at a Lockheed Martin
plant
> > > >> >Tuesday, killing five people before killing himself, authorities
> > > >> >said. Lauderdale County Sheriff Billy Sollie confirmed the deaths
in
> > > >> >an interview with CNN. Sollie said the gunmen roamed through the
> > > >> >plant, apparently shooting people at random. Officials at the
plant
> > > >> >declined comment".
> > > >>
> > > >> Can't wait for Birdstrike Bill's take on this...
> > > >
> > > > The same thing happened when the B-2 shut down. A white seperatist
> > > > that had been working on the production line, under an alias, shot a
> > > > mail man and some Jews.
> > >
> > > I really really wish Tarver would never hear about these things.
> > > Only saving grace he'd have is he'd probably do a negative postal and
shoot
> > > himself first.
> >
> > The F-22 is still 15 months from cancellation and their employees are
> > already comming unspooled. It would be a good idea to deal with the
denial
> > now.
> >
> Anyone as knowledgeable/clued in about the A/C industry as you (Splappy)
> claim to be would know the Lockheed Martin Meridian. Ms facility has
been/is
> dedicated to C-130 sub assembly activities.

No Nesbitt, but thanks for playing.

John P. Tarver, MS/PE

Bertie the Bunyip
July 11th 03, 01:04 PM
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>> > > >
>> > > > "Bàidh Stidean" > wrote in message
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>> > > >> On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 12:31:56 -0400, "Scott M. Kozel"
>> > > >> > wrote:
>> > > >>
>> > > >> >http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/0703/08meridian.html
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >"6 reported slain at Lockheed Martin facility in Mississippi"
>> > > >> >The Atlanta Journal-Constitution: 7/8/03
>> > > >> >The Associated Press
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >"MERIDIAN, Miss. -- A gunman opened fire at a Lockheed Martin
> plant
>> > > >> >Tuesday, killing five people before killing himself,
>> > > >> >authorities said. Lauderdale County Sheriff Billy Sollie
>> > > >> >confirmed the deaths
> in
>> > > >> >an interview with CNN. Sollie said the gunmen roamed through
>> > > >> >the plant, apparently shooting people at random. Officials
>> > > >> >at the
> plant
>> > > >> >declined comment".
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Can't wait for Birdstrike Bill's take on this...
>> > > >
>> > > > The same thing happened when the B-2 shut down. A white
>> > > > seperatist that had been working on the production line, under
>> > > > an alias, shot a mail man and some Jews.
>> > >
>> > > I really really wish Tarver would never hear about these things.
>> > > Only saving grace he'd have is he'd probably do a negative postal
>> > > and
> shoot
>> > > himself first.
>> >
>> > The F-22 is still 15 months from cancellation and their employees
>> > are already comming unspooled. It would be a good idea to deal
>> > with the
> denial
>> > now.
>> >
>> Anyone as knowledgeable/clued in about the A/C industry as you
>> (Splappy) claim to be would know the Lockheed Martin Meridian. Ms
>> facility has
> been/is
>> dedicated to C-130 sub assembly activities.
>
> No Nesbitt, but thanks for playing.

I dunno, maybe someone should get Splappy a cheap hooker.

You know what deprivation does to someone. I reckon it's just a matter of
time until the symptoms we're seeing here end up on the 6 o'clock news.

Bertie

Ralph Nesbitt
July 12th 03, 03:58 AM
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> > > > > "Bàidh Stidean" > wrote in message
> > > > > ...
> > > > >> On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 12:31:56 -0400, "Scott M. Kozel"
> > > > >> > wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> >http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/0703/08meridian.html
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >"6 reported slain at Lockheed Martin facility in Mississippi"
> > > > >> >The Atlanta Journal-Constitution: 7/8/03
> > > > >> >The Associated Press
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >"MERIDIAN, Miss. -- A gunman opened fire at a Lockheed Martin
> plant
> > > > >> >Tuesday, killing five people before killing himself, authorities
> > > > >> >said. Lauderdale County Sheriff Billy Sollie confirmed the
deaths
> in
> > > > >> >an interview with CNN. Sollie said the gunmen roamed through
the
> > > > >> >plant, apparently shooting people at random. Officials at the
> plant
> > > > >> >declined comment".
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Can't wait for Birdstrike Bill's take on this...
> > > > >
> > > > > The same thing happened when the B-2 shut down. A white
seperatist
> > > > > that had been working on the production line, under an alias, shot
a
> > > > > mail man and some Jews.
> > > >
> > > > I really really wish Tarver would never hear about these things.
> > > > Only saving grace he'd have is he'd probably do a negative postal
and
> shoot
> > > > himself first.
> > >
> > > The F-22 is still 15 months from cancellation and their employees are
> > > already comming unspooled. It would be a good idea to deal with the
> denial
> > > now.
> > >
> > Anyone as knowledgeable/clued in about the A/C industry as you (Splappy)
> > claim to be would know the Lockheed Martin Meridian. Ms facility has
> been/is
> > dedicated to C-130 sub assembly activities.
>
> No Nesbitt, but thanks for playing.
>
> John P. Tarver, MS/PE
>
Ok, oh knowledgeable 1, what is the primary focus of activities at the L/M
Meridian, Ms. facility?
Ralph Nesbitt
Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type

John Carrier
July 12th 03, 01:12 PM
> Ok, oh knowledgeable 1, what is the primary focus of activities at the L/M
> Meridian, Ms. facility?

Currently manufacturing subassemblies for C-130J. They will be shifting
production to F-22 (vertical tail IIRC) soon. Small plant (120 employees),
low overhead, good track record with a stable (until this week) work force.

R / John

Ralph Nesbitt
July 12th 03, 04:35 PM
"John Carrier" > wrote in message
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> > Ok, oh knowledgeable 1, what is the primary focus of activities at the
L/M
> > Meridian, Ms. facility?
>
> Currently manufacturing subassemblies for C-130J. They will be shifting
> production to F-22 (vertical tail IIRC) soon. Small plant (120
employees),
> low overhead, good track record with a stable (until this week) work
force.
>
> R / John
>
I assume you are posting from rec.aviation.military, so you should be
familiar with the posting history/habits of John Tarver, AKA Splappy, Splaps
Boy, etc. to whom my response was addressed. His reaction/reply if any
should prove interesting.

Thanks for the independent verification regarding the primary focus of
activities at the L/M Meridian,Ms. facility being sub assembly work
supporting C-130 production.
Ralph Nesbitt
Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type

Tarver Engineering
July 12th 03, 05:04 PM
"Ralph Nesbitt" > wrote in message
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> "John Carrier" > wrote in message
> ...
> > > Ok, oh knowledgeable 1, what is the primary focus of activities at the
L/M
> > > Meridian, Ms. facility?
> >
> > Currently manufacturing subassemblies for C-130J. They will be shifting
> > production to F-22 (vertical tail IIRC) soon. Small plant (120
employees),
> > low overhead, good track record with a stable (until this week) work
force.
> >
> > R / John
> >
> I assume you are posting from rec.aviation.military, so you should be
> familiar with the posting history/habits of John Tarver,

Nesbitt, you are once again wrong, so go climb back in your hole.

John P. Tarver, MS/PE

Ralph Nesbitt
July 12th 03, 05:39 PM
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> > "John Carrier" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > > Ok, oh knowledgeable 1, what is the primary focus of activities at
the
> L/M
> > > > Meridian, Ms. facility?
> > >
> > > Currently manufacturing subassemblies for C-130J. They will be
shifting
> > > production to F-22 (vertical tail IIRC) soon. Small plant (120
> employees),
> > > low overhead, good track record with a stable (until this week) work
> force.
> > >
> > > R / John
> > >
> > I assume you are posting from rec.aviation.military, so you should be
> > familiar with the posting history/habits of John Tarver,
>
> Nesbitt, you are once again wrong, so go climb back in your hole.
>
> John P. Tarver, MS/PE
>
Ok Splappy, Can you be more specific as to what you perceive as wrong with
my response as quoted by you to Mr. John Carrier?
Ralph Nesbitt
Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type

Bertie the Bunyip
July 12th 03, 06:38 PM
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>> > "Ralph Nesbitt" > wrote in message
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>> >> "John Carrier" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> > > Ok, oh knowledgeable 1, what is the primary focus of activities
>> >> > > at the
>> > L/M
>> >> > > Meridian, Ms. facility?
>> >> >
>> >> > Currently manufacturing subassemblies for C-130J. They will be
>> >> > shifting production to F-22 (vertical tail IIRC) soon. Small plant
>> >> > (120
>> > employees),
>> >> > low overhead, good track record with a stable (until this week)
>> >> > work
>> > force.
>> >> >
>> >> > R / John
>> >> >
>> >> I assume you are posting from rec.aviation.military, so you should be
>> >> familiar with the posting history/habits of John Tarver,
>> >
>> > Nesbitt, you are once again wrong, so go climb back in your hole.
>> >
>>
>> What you haven't got a posting history and/or habits, splappy?
>
> SR111 is published and TWA800 is on the way, sock.


Yes, so?

What have you said that will any way be supported by anything printed in
this dimension?

Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip
July 12th 03, 06:41 PM
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>> "Splaps Boy" > wrote:
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>> > "Ralph Nesbitt" > wrote
>> >
>> > > > > I assume you are posting from rec.aviation.military, so you
>> > > > > should
> be
>> > > > > familiar with the posting history/habits of John Tarver,
>> > > >
>> > > > Nesbitt, you are once again wrong, so go climb back in your
>> > > > hole.
>> >
>> > > Ok Splappy, Can you be more specific as to what you perceive as
>> > > wrong
> with
>> > > my response as quoted by you to Mr. John Carrier?
>> >
>> > Take your crap back to the lune group where you belong, Nesbitt.
>>
>> Take a vacation from Usenet, Splaps Boy.
>>
>> Do everybody a favor.
>
> I'm not up for doing you any favors, Kozel.


He meant do yourself a favor you fjuckwit.

It'll be no favor to loonbashers if you leave!

Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip
July 12th 03, 07:56 PM
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>> > > >> ...
>> > > >> > > Ok, oh knowledgeable 1, what is the primary focus of
>> > > >> > > activities at the
>> > > > L/M
>> > > >> > > Meridian, Ms. facility?
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > Currently manufacturing subassemblies for C-130J. They will
>> > > >> > be shifting production to F-22 (vertical tail IIRC) soon.
>> > > >> > Small
> plant
>> > > >> > (120
>> > > > employees),
>> > > >> > low overhead, good track record with a stable (until this
>> > > >> > week) work
>> > > > force.
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > R / John
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> I assume you are posting from rec.aviation.military, so you
>> > > >> should
> be
>> > > >> familiar with the posting history/habits of John Tarver,
>> > > >
>> > > > Nesbitt, you are once again wrong, so go climb back in your
>> > > > hole.
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > What you haven't got a posting history and/or habits, splappy?
>> >
>> > SR111 is published and TWA800 is on the way, sock.
>> >
>> As the "Thunderbird Flows" this could get more interesting.
>
> To those of us that know how airplanes are made and maintained, SR111
> is already an interesting story.

Bwawhahwhahwhahwhahhwhahwh!

You couln't wire a flashlight, splaps boy.


>
> Why are there two fireman lunes in the aviation newsgroups?

Why is there a wannabe eingineer who doesn't know the first thing about an
airplane in an aviation newsgroup?

Hey splaps boy.

Coddle coddle,

Bwawhahwhahwhahhhhhhwahhwahwhahhwhahwhahwhahhwa!


bertie

Bertie the Bunyip
July 13th 03, 01:51 AM
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>> To put out the fires after your posts crash and burn.
>
> I didn't know America West doesn't use the data link. I would have
> thought they would operate their 757s in the safest way possible.


And just how does that make an airplane safer you fjuckwit?

Bertie

Tarver Engineering
July 13th 03, 01:58 AM
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> > "skygodtj" > wrote in message
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> > <snip>
> >
> >> To put out the fires after your posts crash and burn.
> >
> > I didn't know America West doesn't use the data link. I would have
> > thought they would operate their 757s in the safest way possible.

> And just how does that make an airplane safer you fjuckwit?

Technology has been a key factor in reducing aircraft accidents. The sock
from America West operates without some of that automation, the very
backbone of the Type. Skygod's lack of knowledge of the 757 led to his
losing control and becomming violent; a sure sign of a lune.

John P. Tarver, MS/PE

Bertie the Bunyip
July 13th 03, 02:08 AM
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>> >> To put out the fires after your posts crash and burn.
>> >
>> > I didn't know America West doesn't use the data link. I would have
>> > thought they would operate their 757s in the safest way possible.
>
>> And just how does that make an airplane safer you fjuckwit?
>
> Technology has been a key factor in reducing aircraft accidents. The
> sock from America West operates without some of that automation, the
> very backbone of the Type. Skygod's lack of knowledge of the 757 led
> to his losing control and becomming violent; a sure sign of a lune.
>

Yeah, right splaps boy.

So, you have no idea why ACARS would make an airplane safer, eh? Or are you
just dodging the question as usual.

You think the addition of any kind of technology will make an airplane
safer, do you?

Bwawhahwhahwhahwhhahwhahwhahwhahhwhahwhahwhahwhahh w!

Oh and regards to the wife!
Bertie

skygodtj
July 13th 03, 10:30 PM
Tarver Engineering wrote:
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> > > <snip>
> > >
> > >> To put out the fires after your posts crash and burn.
> > >
> > > I didn't know America West doesn't use the data link. I would have
> > > thought they would operate their 757s in the safest way possible.
>
> > And just how does that make an airplane safer you fjuckwit?
>
> Technology has been a key factor in reducing aircraft accidents. The sock
> from America West operates without some of that automation, the very
> backbone of the Type. Skygod's lack of knowledge of the 757 led to his
> losing control and becomming violent; a sure sign of a lune.
>
> John P. Tarver, MS/PE

KEYBOARD!!
-------------------------------------------------------
The beatings will continue until morale improves.

Tarver Engineering
July 13th 03, 10:43 PM
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> > > >
> > > >> To put out the fires after your posts crash and burn.
> > > >
> > > > I didn't know America West doesn't use the data link. I would have
> > > > thought they would operate their 757s in the safest way possible.
> >
> > > And just how does that make an airplane safer you fjuckwit?
> >
> > Technology has been a key factor in reducing aircraft accidents. The
sock
> > from America West operates without some of that automation, the very
> > backbone of the Type. Skygod's lack of knowledge of the 757 led to his
> > losing control and becomming violent; a sure sign of a lune.

> KEYBOARD!!

Glad to educate you, skylune.

Now, as to those high risk pilots your airline employs ...

skygodtj
July 13th 03, 10:48 PM
Tarver Engineering wrote:
>
> "skygodtj" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Tarver Engineering wrote:
> > >
> > > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > "Tarver Engineering" > wrote in
> > > > :
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "skygodtj" > wrote in message
> > > > > ...
> > > > >
> > > > > <snip>
> > > > >
> > > > >> To put out the fires after your posts crash and burn.
> > > > >
> > > > > I didn't know America West doesn't use the data link. I would have
> > > > > thought they would operate their 757s in the safest way possible.
> > >
> > > > And just how does that make an airplane safer you fjuckwit?
> > >
> > > Technology has been a key factor in reducing aircraft accidents. The
> sock
> > > from America West operates without some of that automation, the very
> > > backbone of the Type. Skygod's lack of knowledge of the 757 led to his
> > > losing control and becomming violent; a sure sign of a lune.
>
> > KEYBOARD!!
>
> Glad to educate you, skylune.
>
> Now, as to those high risk pilots your airline employs ...

less riskier then letting YOU work on anything we fly
-------------------------------------------------------
The beatings will continue until morale improves.

Bertie the Bunyip
July 14th 03, 12:08 AM
"Tarver Engineering" > wrote in
:

>
> "skygodtj" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Tarver Engineering wrote:
>> >
>> > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> > > "Tarver Engineering" > wrote in
>> > > :
>> > >
>> > > >
>> > > > "skygodtj" > wrote in message
>> > > > ...
>> > > >
>> > > > <snip>
>> > > >
>> > > >> To put out the fires after your posts crash and burn.
>> > > >
>> > > > I didn't know America West doesn't use the data link. I would
>> > > > have thought they would operate their 757s in the safest way
>> > > > possible.
>> >
>> > > And just how does that make an airplane safer you fjuckwit?
>> >
>> > Technology has been a key factor in reducing aircraft accidents.
>> > The
> sock
>> > from America West operates without some of that automation, the
>> > very backbone of the Type. Skygod's lack of knowledge of the 757
>> > led to his losing control and becomming violent; a sure sign of a
>> > lune.
>
>> KEYBOARD!!
>
> Glad to educate you, skylune.
>
> Now, as to those high risk pilots your airline employs ...

Care to name names, fjuckwit?

Didn't thnk so

Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip
July 14th 03, 12:09 AM
skygodtj > wrote in :

> Tarver Engineering wrote:
>>
>> "skygodtj" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > Tarver Engineering wrote:
>> > >
>> > > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>> > > ...
>> > > > "Tarver Engineering" > wrote in
>> > > > :
>> > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > "skygodtj" > wrote in message
>> > > > > ...
>> > > > >
>> > > > > <snip>
>> > > > >
>> > > > >> To put out the fires after your posts crash and burn.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I didn't know America West doesn't use the data link. I
>> > > > > would have thought they would operate their 757s in the
>> > > > > safest way possible.
>> > >
>> > > > And just how does that make an airplane safer you fjuckwit?
>> > >
>> > > Technology has been a key factor in reducing aircraft accidents.
>> > > The
>> sock
>> > > from America West operates without some of that automation, the
>> > > very backbone of the Type. Skygod's lack of knowledge of the 757
>> > > led to his losing control and becomming violent; a sure sign of a
>> > > lune.
>>
>> > KEYBOARD!!
>>
>> Glad to educate you, skylune.
>>
>> Now, as to those high risk pilots your airline employs ...
>
> less riskier then letting YOU work on anything we fly

Or drive or mow the lawn with or anything else for that matter!

Tarver Engineering
July 14th 03, 12:33 AM
"skygodtj" > wrote in message
...
> Tarver Engineering wrote:
> >
> > "skygodtj" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Tarver Engineering wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > > "Tarver Engineering" > wrote in
> > > > > :
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "skygodtj" > wrote in message
> > > > > > ...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > <snip>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> To put out the fires after your posts crash and burn.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I didn't know America West doesn't use the data link. I would
have
> > > > > > thought they would operate their 757s in the safest way
possible.
> > > >
> > > > > And just how does that make an airplane safer you fjuckwit?
> > > >
> > > > Technology has been a key factor in reducing aircraft accidents.
The
> > sock
> > > > from America West operates without some of that automation, the very
> > > > backbone of the Type. Skygod's lack of knowledge of the 757 led to
his
> > > > losing control and becomming violent; a sure sign of a lune.
> >
> > > KEYBOARD!!
> >
> > Glad to educate you, skylune.
> >
> > Now, as to those high risk pilots your airline employs ...
>
> less riskier then letting YOU work on anything we fly

America West really ought to get their technology up to date.

skygodtj
July 14th 03, 12:42 AM
Tarver Engineering wrote:
>
> "skygodtj" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Tarver Engineering wrote:
> > >
> > > "skygodtj" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > Tarver Engineering wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> > > > > ...
> > > > > > "Tarver Engineering" > wrote in
> > > > > > :
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "skygodtj" > wrote in message
> > > > > > > ...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > <snip>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> To put out the fires after your posts crash and burn.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I didn't know America West doesn't use the data link. I would
> have
> > > > > > > thought they would operate their 757s in the safest way
> possible.
> > > > >
> > > > > > And just how does that make an airplane safer you fjuckwit?
> > > > >
> > > > > Technology has been a key factor in reducing aircraft accidents.
> The
> > > sock
> > > > > from America West operates without some of that automation, the very
> > > > > backbone of the Type. Skygod's lack of knowledge of the 757 led to
> his
> > > > > losing control and becomming violent; a sure sign of a lune.
> > >
> > > > KEYBOARD!!
> > >
> > > Glad to educate you, skylune.
> > >
> > > Now, as to those high risk pilots your airline employs ...
> >
> > less riskier then letting YOU work on anything we fly
>
> America West really ought to get their technology up to date.

What we got suits us just fine.
-------------------------------------------------------
The beatings will continue until morale improves.

John Mazor
July 14th 03, 01:01 AM
"Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
...
> "Tarver Engineering" > wrote in
> :
>
> > "skygodtj" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> Tarver Engineering wrote:
> >> >
> >> > "skygodtj" > wrote in message
> >> > ...
> >> > > Tarver Engineering wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> >> > > > ...
> >> > > > > "Tarver Engineering" > wrote in
> >> > > > > :
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > "skygodtj" > wrote in message
> >> > > > > > ...
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > <snip>
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >> To put out the fires after your posts crash and burn.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > I didn't know America West doesn't use the data link. I
would have
> >> > > > > > thought they would operate their 757s in the safest way
possible.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > And just how does that make an airplane safer you
fjuckwit?
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Technology has been a key factor in reducing aircraft
accidents. The
> >> > sock from America West operates without some of that
automation, the
> >> > > > very backbone of the Type. Skygod's lack of knowledge of
the
> >> > > > 757 led to his
> >> > > > losing control and becomming violent; a sure sign of a
lune.
> >> >
> >> > > KEYBOARD!!
> >> >
> >> > Glad to educate you, skylune.
> >> >
> >> > Now, as to those high risk pilots your airline employs ...
> >>
> >> less riskier then letting YOU work on anything we fly
> >
> > America West really ought to get their technology up to date.
>
> Bwawahwhahwhhahwhahwhahwhahhwhahwhahhwhahwhah!
>
> And what,pray tell, shoudl they add, splaps boy?
>
> Maybe a dashboard ornament?
>
> You could sel them copies of that little music box that plays "the
Mexican
> Hat Dance" to them for that very purpose!
> You could even wire it in for them so the girl riding the donky's
tits
> light up when we cross the marker!

Naw, Tarver would make the donkey's dick light up. Doncha know that's
the basis of his claiming to have once had a piece of ass?

Bertie the Bunyip
July 14th 03, 01:10 AM
"Tarver Engineering" > wrote in
:

>
> "skygodtj" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Tarver Engineering wrote:
>> >
>> > "skygodtj" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> > > Tarver Engineering wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > "skygodtj" > wrote in message
>> > > > ...
>> > > > > Tarver Engineering wrote:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>> > > > > > ...
>> > > > > > > "Tarver Engineering" > wrote in
>> > > > > > > :
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > "skygodtj" > wrote in message
>> > > > > > > > ...
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > <snip>
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > >> To put out the fires after your posts crash and burn.
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > I didn't know America West doesn't use the data link.
>> > > > > > > > I
> would
>> > have
>> > > > > > > > thought they would operate their 757s in the safest way
>> > possible.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > > And just how does that make an airplane safer you
>> > > > > > > fjuckwit?
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Technology has been a key factor in reducing aircraft
>> > > > > > accidents.
>> > The
>> > > > sock
>> > > > > > from America West operates without some of that automation,
>> > > > > > the
> very
>> > > > > > backbone of the Type. Skygod's lack of knowledge of the
>> > > > > > 757 led
> to
>> > his
>> > > > > > losing control and becomming violent; a sure sign of a
>> > > > > > lune.
>> > > >
>> > > > > KEYBOARD!!
>> > > >
>> > > > Glad to educate you, skylune.
>> > > >
>> > > > Now, as to those high risk pilots your airline employs ...
>> > >
>> > > less riskier then letting YOU work on anything we fly
>> >
>> > America West really ought to get their technology up to date.
>>
>> What we got suits us just fine.
>
> America West should at lest educate their pilots, as to the major
> systems for the 757. That way they won't give up the Airline for
> operating the type in a less safe manor.

Oh please do go on, Splaps boy.

Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip
July 14th 03, 01:11 AM
"John Mazor" > wrote in
:

> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Tarver Engineering" > wrote in
>> :
>>
>> > "skygodtj" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> >> Tarver Engineering wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > "skygodtj" > wrote in message
>> >> > ...
>> >> > > Tarver Engineering wrote:
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>> >> > > > ...
>> >> > > > > "Tarver Engineering" > wrote in
>> >> > > > > :
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > > "skygodtj" > wrote in message
>> >> > > > > > ...
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > <snip>
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > >> To put out the fires after your posts crash and burn.
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > I didn't know America West doesn't use the data link. I
> would have
>> >> > > > > > thought they would operate their 757s in the safest way
> possible.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > > And just how does that make an airplane safer you
> fjuckwit?
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Technology has been a key factor in reducing aircraft
> accidents. The
>> >> > sock from America West operates without some of that
> automation, the
>> >> > > > very backbone of the Type. Skygod's lack of knowledge of
> the
>> >> > > > 757 led to his
>> >> > > > losing control and becomming violent; a sure sign of a
> lune.
>> >> >
>> >> > > KEYBOARD!!
>> >> >
>> >> > Glad to educate you, skylune.
>> >> >
>> >> > Now, as to those high risk pilots your airline employs ...
>> >>
>> >> less riskier then letting YOU work on anything we fly
>> >
>> > America West really ought to get their technology up to date.
>>
>> Bwawahwhahwhhahwhahwhahwhahhwhahwhahhwhahwhah!
>>
>> And what,pray tell, shoudl they add, splaps boy?
>>
>> Maybe a dashboard ornament?
>>
>> You could sel them copies of that little music box that plays "the
> Mexican
>> Hat Dance" to them for that very purpose!
>> You could even wire it in for them so the girl riding the donky's
> tits
>> light up when we cross the marker!
>
> Naw, Tarver would make the donkey's dick light up. Doncha know that's
> the basis of his claiming to have once had a piece of ass?


Snort!

Bertie

skygodtj
July 14th 03, 02:07 AM
Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>
> "Tarver Engineering" > wrote in
> :
>
> >
> > "skygodtj" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> Tarver Engineering wrote:
> >> >
> >> > "skygodtj" > wrote in message
> >> > ...
> >> > > Tarver Engineering wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > "skygodtj" > wrote in message
> >> > > > ...
> >> > > > > Tarver Engineering wrote:
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> >> > > > > > ...
> >> > > > > > > "Tarver Engineering" > wrote in
> >> > > > > > > :
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > "skygodtj" > wrote in message
> >> > > > > > > > ...
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > <snip>
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > >> To put out the fires after your posts crash and burn.
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > I didn't know America West doesn't use the data link.
> >> > > > > > > > I
> > would
> >> > have
> >> > > > > > > > thought they would operate their 757s in the safest way
> >> > possible.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > And just how does that make an airplane safer you
> >> > > > > > > fjuckwit?
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Technology has been a key factor in reducing aircraft
> >> > > > > > accidents.
> >> > The
> >> > > > sock
> >> > > > > > from America West operates without some of that automation,
> >> > > > > > the
> > very
> >> > > > > > backbone of the Type. Skygod's lack of knowledge of the
> >> > > > > > 757 led
> > to
> >> > his
> >> > > > > > losing control and becomming violent; a sure sign of a
> >> > > > > > lune.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > KEYBOARD!!
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Glad to educate you, skylune.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Now, as to those high risk pilots your airline employs ...
> >> > >
> >> > > less riskier then letting YOU work on anything we fly
> >> >
> >> > America West really ought to get their technology up to date.
> >>
> >> What we got suits us just fine.
> >
> > America West should at lest educate their pilots, as to the major
> > systems for the 757. That way they won't give up the Airline for
> > operating the type in a less safe manor.
>
> Oh please do go on, Splaps boy.
>
> Bertie

And what MANOR would that be? Stately Wayne Manor? Tara? To be taken
seriously, you have to be educated... and the MANNER in which we operate is
considered by many to be as safe as any other major airline. While SW has put
no less than - 4 - airlines into the lights at the end of runways, we've had 1.
And as the ONLY post-dereg airline to make it to 20yr anniversary, I'd say we've
been doing things just right. Funny, so does Washington...
-------------------------------------------------------
The beatings will continue until morale improves.

Ralph Nesbitt
July 14th 03, 05:56 AM
"John Mazor" > wrote in message
...
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
> > "Tarver Engineering" > wrote in
> > :
> >
> > > "skygodtj" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > >> Tarver Engineering wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > "skygodtj" > wrote in message
> > >> > ...
> > >> > > Tarver Engineering wrote:
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> > >> > > > ...
> > >> > > > > "Tarver Engineering" > wrote in
> > >> > > > > :
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > > "skygodtj" > wrote in message
> > >> > > > > > ...
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > <snip>
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > >> To put out the fires after your posts crash and burn.
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > I didn't know America West doesn't use the data link. I
> would have
> > >> > > > > > thought they would operate their 757s in the safest way
> possible.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > > And just how does that make an airplane safer you
> fjuckwit?
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Technology has been a key factor in reducing aircraft
> accidents. The
> > >> > sock from America West operates without some of that
> automation, the
> > >> > > > very backbone of the Type. Skygod's lack of knowledge of
> the
> > >> > > > 757 led to his
> > >> > > > losing control and becomming violent; a sure sign of a
> lune.
> > >> >
> > >> > > KEYBOARD!!
> > >> >
> > >> > Glad to educate you, skylune.
> > >> >
> > >> > Now, as to those high risk pilots your airline employs ...
> > >>
> > >> less riskier then letting YOU work on anything we fly
> > >
> > > America West really ought to get their technology up to date.
> >
> > Bwawahwhahwhhahwhahwhahwhahhwhahwhahhwhahwhah!
> >
> > And what,pray tell, shoudl they add, splaps boy?
> >
> > Maybe a dashboard ornament?
> >
> > You could sel them copies of that little music box that plays "the
> Mexican
> > Hat Dance" to them for that very purpose!
> > You could even wire it in for them so the girl riding the donky's
> tits
> > light up when we cross the marker!
>
> Naw, Tarver would make the donkey's dick light up. Doncha know that's
> the basis of his claiming to have once had a piece of ass?
>
Something tells me Tarver would be more inclined to include hampesters as
his animal of choice to enhance a cockpit lay out.
Ralph Nesbitt
Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type

skygodtj
July 14th 03, 07:49 PM
Tarver Engineering wrote:
>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
> > "Tarver Engineering" > wrote in
> > :
> >
> > >
> > > "skygodtj" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > >> Tarver Engineering wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > "skygodtj" > wrote in message
> > >> > ...
> > >> > > Tarver Engineering wrote:
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> > >> > > > ...
> > >> > > > > "Tarver Engineering" > wrote in
> > >> > > > > :
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > "skygodtj" > wrote in message
> > >> > > > > > ...
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > <snip>
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > >> To put out the fires after your posts crash and burn.
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > I didn't know America West doesn't use the data link. I
> > >> > > > > > would
> > > have
> > >> > > > > > thought they would operate their 757s in the safest way
> > > possible.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > > And just how does that make an airplane safer you fjuckwit?
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Technology has been a key factor in reducing aircraft
> > >> > > > accidents.
> > > The
> > >> > sock
> > >> > > > from America West operates without some of that automation, the
> > >> > > > very backbone of the Type. Skygod's lack of knowledge of the
> > >> > > > 757 led to
> > > his
> > >> > > > losing control and becomming violent; a sure sign of a lune.
> > >> >
> > >> > > KEYBOARD!!
> > >> >
> > >> > Glad to educate you, skylune.
> > >> >
> > >> > Now, as to those high risk pilots your airline employs ...
> > >>
> > >> less riskier then letting YOU work on anything we fly
> > >
> > > America West really ought to get their technology up to date.
> > >
> >
> > Bwawahwhahwhhahwhahwhahwhahhwhahwhahhwhahwhah!
> >
> > And what,pray tell, shoudl they add, splaps boy?
>
> The data link.
>
> It is the data link that had me thinking TG was not a 757 pilot.

Who is TG? Tell us smart guy, what is this data link you keep professing?
-------------------------------------------------------
The beatings will continue until morale improves.

skygodtj
July 14th 03, 07:55 PM
Tarver Engineering wrote:
>
> "skygodtj" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
> > >
> > > "Tarver Engineering" > wrote in
> > > :
> > >
> > > >
> > > > "skygodtj" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > >> Tarver Engineering wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > "skygodtj" > wrote in message
> > > >> > ...
> > > >> > > Tarver Engineering wrote:
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > "skygodtj" > wrote in message
> > > >> > > > ...
> > > >> > > > > Tarver Engineering wrote:
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> > > >> > > > > > ...
> > > >> > > > > > > "Tarver Engineering" > wrote in
> > > >> > > > > > > :
> > > >> > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > "skygodtj" > wrote in message
> > > >> > > > > > > > ...
> > > >> > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > <snip>
> > > >> > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > >> To put out the fires after your posts crash and burn.
> > > >> > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > I didn't know America West doesn't use the data link.
> > > >> > > > > > > > I
> > > > would
> > > >> > have
> > > >> > > > > > > > thought they would operate their 757s in the safest way
> > > >> > possible.
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > And just how does that make an airplane safer you
> > > >> > > > > > > fjuckwit?
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > Technology has been a key factor in reducing aircraft
> > > >> > > > > > accidents.
> > > >> > The
> > > >> > > > sock
> > > >> > > > > > from America West operates without some of that automation,
> > > >> > > > > > the
> > > > very
> > > >> > > > > > backbone of the Type. Skygod's lack of knowledge of the
> > > >> > > > > > 757 led
> > > > to
> > > >> > his
> > > >> > > > > > losing control and becomming violent; a sure sign of a
> > > >> > > > > > lune.
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > > KEYBOARD!!
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > Glad to educate you, skylune.
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > Now, as to those high risk pilots your airline employs ...
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > less riskier then letting YOU work on anything we fly
> > > >> >
> > > >> > America West really ought to get their technology up to date.
> > > >>
> > > >> What we got suits us just fine.
> > > >
> > > > America West should at lest educate their pilots, as to the major
> > > > systems for the 757. That way they won't give up the Airline for
> > > > operating the type in a less safe manor.
> > >
> > > Oh please do go on, Splaps boy.
> > >
> > > Bertie
> >
> > And what MANOR would that be? Stately Wayne Manor? Tara? To be taken
> > seriously, you have to be educated...
>
> Then you failed TG, as your education WRT the 757 is lacking ahe major
> systems difference, for the type.

I've been typed since June 25, 1996. I think even you can do the math how long
that is.

> > and the MANNER in which we operate is
> > considered by many to be as safe as any other major airline. While SW has
> put
> > no less than - 4 - airlines into the lights at the end of runways, we've
> had 1.
>
> Non-sequitur.

Only to you.

>
> > And as the ONLY post-dereg airline to make it to 20yr anniversary, I'd say
> we've
> > been doing things just right. Funny, so does Washington...
>
> I'm sure America West meets the minimum standards, it would just be better
> for the public to avoid thier less safe 757s.
>
> John P. Tarver, MS/PE

HARHARHAR, just too bad we are bad enough to have one of the best safety
records.
-------------------------------------------------------
The beatings will continue until morale improves.

Tarver Engineering
July 14th 03, 07:59 PM
"skygodtj" > wrote in message
...
> Tarver Engineering wrote:

> >
> > It is the data link that had me thinking TG was not a 757 pilot.
>
> Who is TG? Tell us smart guy, what is this data link you keep professing?

Oh, TJ.

You might want to look up the fourth generation VDL4, as that is where it is
hoped that ICAO will adopt the VHF digital radio standard. The 757 is the
demonstration vehicle for the data link. Large airlines like American use
the data link to program their FMS systems and pass written messages to the
crew. A similar system was demonstrated for aging DC-9-83s in conjunction
with LAAS at Continental.

In this way, operator error was eliminated for the 757 type almost
completely and there were 18 years of completely safe operation.

John P. Tarver, MS/PE

skygodtj
July 14th 03, 08:19 PM
Tarver Engineering wrote:
>
> "skygodtj" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Tarver Engineering wrote:
>
> > >
> > > It is the data link that had me thinking TG was not a 757 pilot.
> >
> > Who is TG? Tell us smart guy, what is this data link you keep professing?
>
> Oh, TJ.
>
> You might want to look up the fourth generation VDL4, as that is where it is
> hoped that ICAO will adopt the VHF digital radio standard. The 757 is the
> demonstration vehicle for the data link. Large airlines like American use
> the data link to program their FMS systems and pass written messages to the
> crew. A similar system was demonstrated for aging DC-9-83s in conjunction
> with LAAS at Continental.

Ah, so the fact that we type in routings makes us unsafe? Canned routes stored
IN the FMC would be grouped in the same way as being unsafe huh?

Large airlines like Ameriflot are PARKING airplanes and firing employees(all
TWA, but thats another thread).

Of course you wouldnt know this, but we HAVE ACARS, have HAD ACARS and USED
ACARS for the last two years on ALL our airplanes, 37's, 57's and the Bus's.

What YOU call data link is called ACARS by everyone else, but then you invented
splaps and negative lift so I guess thats ok, you can call it whatever you want,
just dont expect anyone else to know WTF you're talking about.

>
> In this way, operator error was eliminated for the 757 type almost
> completely and there were 18 years of completely safe operation.

So Ameriflot NEVER had any accidents for 18 years? Hmm, we'll we're running a
close 1st with ZERO fatalities in 20yrs. But wait, we've only been in business
for that long so I guess that makes 100% fatality free years.


-------------------------------------------------------
The beatings will continue until morale improves.

Tarver Engineering
July 14th 03, 08:28 PM
"skygodtj" > wrote in message
...
> Tarver Engineering wrote:
> >
> > "skygodtj" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Tarver Engineering wrote:
> >
> > > >
> > > > It is the data link that had me thinking TG was not a 757 pilot.
> > >
> > > Who is TG? Tell us smart guy, what is this data link you keep
professing?
> >
> > Oh, TJ.
> >
> > You might want to look up the fourth generation VDL4, as that is where
it is
> > hoped that ICAO will adopt the VHF digital radio standard. The 757 is
the
> > demonstration vehicle for the data link. Large airlines like American
use
> > the data link to program their FMS systems and pass written messages to
the
> > crew. A similar system was demonstrated for aging DC-9-83s in
conjunction
> > with LAAS at Continental.
>
> Ah, so the fact that we type in routings makes us unsafe? Canned routes
stored
> IN the FMC would be grouped in the same way as being unsafe huh?

I did not wrote the word "unsafe" TJ.

> Large airlines like Ameriflot are PARKING airplanes and firing
employees(all
> TWA, but thats another thread).

TWA employees have a lot of bad karma.

> Of course you wouldnt know this, but we HAVE ACARS, have HAD ACARS and
USED
> ACARS for the last two years on ALL our airplanes, 37's, 57's and the
Bus's.

But TJ, you went into great detail about how America West doesn't use the
data link!!

> What YOU call data link is called ACARS by everyone else, but then you
invented
> splaps and negative lift so I guess thats ok, you can call it whatever you
want,
> just dont expect anyone else to know WTF you're talking about.

I am pleased you have come around to admit that you were wrong.

> > In this way, operator error was eliminated for the 757 type almost
> > completely and there were 18 years of completely safe operation.
>
> So Ameriflot NEVER had any accidents for 18 years?

No 757 airframes were lost by anyone in that time. The development and
deployment of the data link provided safety, right up until a Service
Bulletin was ignored and the foreign NOTAM came off 180 days later.

> Hmm, we'll we're running a
> close 1st with ZERO fatalities in 20yrs. But wait, we've only been in
business
> for that long so I guess that makes 100% fatality free years.

I still go with 2 zeros since 1997, as the adding of a fatality back in was
probably political. Those numbers are driven by automation and hand flying
is for hobyists.

John P. Tarver, MS/PE

Bertie the Bunyip
July 14th 03, 08:32 PM
"Tarver Engineering" > wrote in
:

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Tarver Engineering" > wrote in
>> :
>>
>> >
>> > "skygodtj" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> >> Tarver Engineering wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>> >> > ...
>> >> > > "Tarver Engineering" > wrote in
>> >> > > :
>> >> > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > "skygodtj" > wrote in message
>> >> > > > ...
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > <snip>
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >> To put out the fires after your posts crash and burn.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > I didn't know America West doesn't use the data link. I
>> >> > > > would have thought they would operate their 757s in the
>> >> > > > safest way possible.
>> >> >
>> >> > > And just how does that make an airplane safer you fjuckwit?
>> >> >
>> >> > Technology has been a key factor in reducing aircraft accidents.
>> >> > The
>> > sock
>> >> > from America West operates without some of that automation, the
>> >> > very backbone of the Type. Skygod's lack of knowledge of the
>> >> > 757 led to his losing control and becomming violent; a sure sign
>> >> > of a lune.
>> >
>> >> KEYBOARD!!
>> >
>> > Glad to educate you, skylune.
>> >
>> > Now, as to those high risk pilots your airline employs ...
>>
>> Care to name names, fjuckwit?
>
> One is dead.

Yeah, figures, attack someone who can't defend himself now.
Not that an attack from you woudl amount to much.

>
>> Didn't thnk so
>
> Another is flying other high risk aircraft.

High risk aircraft?


>
> I want to go with a boring safe well equiped pilot, for transport
> operations. Not some hot rod like TG, that wants to hand fly the
> airplane; that kind of thing is for hobyists.


Bwawhahwhahwhahwhahwhahhwhahw!

Ever seen an autopilot go berserk fjuckwit?

I have.

Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip
July 14th 03, 08:34 PM
"Tarver Engineering" > wrote in :

>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Tarver Engineering" > wrote in
>> :
>>
>> >
>> > "skygodtj" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> >> Tarver Engineering wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > "skygodtj" > wrote in message
>> >> > ...
>> >> > > Tarver Engineering wrote:
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>> >> > > > ...
>> >> > > > > "Tarver Engineering" > wrote in
>> >> > > > > :
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > "skygodtj" > wrote in message
>> >> > > > > > ...
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > <snip>
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > >> To put out the fires after your posts crash and burn.
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > I didn't know America West doesn't use the data link. I
>> >> > > > > > would
>> > have
>> >> > > > > > thought they would operate their 757s in the safest way
>> > possible.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > > And just how does that make an airplane safer you fjuckwit?
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Technology has been a key factor in reducing aircraft
>> >> > > > accidents.
>> > The
>> >> > sock
>> >> > > > from America West operates without some of that automation, the
>> >> > > > very backbone of the Type. Skygod's lack of knowledge of the
>> >> > > > 757 led to
>> > his
>> >> > > > losing control and becomming violent; a sure sign of a lune.
>> >> >
>> >> > > KEYBOARD!!
>> >> >
>> >> > Glad to educate you, skylune.
>> >> >
>> >> > Now, as to those high risk pilots your airline employs ...
>> >>
>> >> less riskier then letting YOU work on anything we fly
>> >
>> > America West really ought to get their technology up to date.
>> >
>>
>> Bwawahwhahwhhahwhahwhahwhahhwhahwhahhwhahwhah!
>>
>> And what,pray tell, shoudl they add, splaps boy?
>
> The data link.
>
> It is the data link that had me thinking TG was not a 757 pilot.

Yeah, and how, exaclty, does that make flying an airplane safer, fjuckwit?

Go on.

Oh yeh, how's the wife? Bwawhahwhahwhhahwhahwhah!

Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip
July 14th 03, 08:39 PM
"Tarver Engineering" > wrote in
:

>
> "skygodtj" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Tarver Engineering wrote:
>
>> >
>> > It is the data link that had me thinking TG was not a 757 pilot.
>>
>> Who is TG? Tell us smart guy, what is this data link you keep
>> professing?
>
> Oh, TJ.
>
> You might want to look up the fourth generation VDL4, as that is where
> it is hoped that ICAO will adopt the VHF digital radio standard. The
> 757 is the demonstration vehicle for the data link. Large airlines
> like American use the data link to program their FMS systems and pass
> written messages to the crew. A similar system was demonstrated for
> aging DC-9-83s in conjunction with LAAS at Continental.

Oh yeah! that will be a big step forward in making an airplane safer.

What a fjuckwit.
>
> In this way, operator error was eliminated for the 757 type almost
> completely and there were 18 years of completely safe operation.

Bwawhahwhahwhahwhahwhahwhahwhahwhahhwhahwhahwhahwh ahwhahwhahwhhahwhahwhahwh
ahwhhahwhahhwhahwhahwhhahwhh!

Bertie
>

Bertie the Bunyip
July 14th 03, 08:40 PM
"Tarver Engineering" > wrote in
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>
> "skygodtj" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>> >
>> > "Tarver Engineering" > wrote in
>> > :
>> >
>> > >
>> > > "skygodtj" > wrote in message
>> > > ...
>> > >> Tarver Engineering wrote:
>> > >> >
>> > >> > "skygodtj" > wrote in message
>> > >> > ...
>> > >> > > Tarver Engineering wrote:
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > > "skygodtj" > wrote in message
>> > >> > > > ...
>> > >> > > > > Tarver Engineering wrote:
>> > >> > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > "Bertie the Bunyip" > wrote in message
>> > >> > > > > > ...
>> > >> > > > > > > "Tarver Engineering" > wrote in
>> > >> > > > > > > :
>> > >> > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > "skygodtj" > wrote in message
>> > >> > > > > > > > ...
>> > >> > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > <snip>
>> > >> > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > >> To put out the fires after your posts crash and
>> > >> > > > > > > >> burn.
>> > >> > > > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > > I didn't know America West doesn't use the data
>> > >> > > > > > > > link. I
>> > > would
>> > >> > have
>> > >> > > > > > > > thought they would operate their 757s in the
>> > >> > > > > > > > safest way
>> > >> > possible.
>> > >> > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > > And just how does that make an airplane safer you
>> > >> > > > > > > fjuckwit?
>> > >> > > > > >
>> > >> > > > > > Technology has been a key factor in reducing aircraft
>> > >> > > > > > accidents.
>> > >> > The
>> > >> > > > sock
>> > >> > > > > > from America West operates without some of that
>> > >> > > > > > automation, the
>> > > very
>> > >> > > > > > backbone of the Type. Skygod's lack of knowledge of
>> > >> > > > > > the 757 led
>> > > to
>> > >> > his
>> > >> > > > > > losing control and becomming violent; a sure sign of a
>> > >> > > > > > lune.
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > > > KEYBOARD!!
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > > Glad to educate you, skylune.
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > > Now, as to those high risk pilots your airline employs ...
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > less riskier then letting YOU work on anything we fly
>> > >> >
>> > >> > America West really ought to get their technology up to date.
>> > >>
>> > >> What we got suits us just fine.
>> > >
>> > > America West should at lest educate their pilots, as to the major
>> > > systems for the 757. That way they won't give up the Airline for
>> > > operating the type in a less safe manor.
>> >
>> > Oh please do go on, Splaps boy.
>> >
>> > Bertie
>>
>> And what MANOR would that be? Stately Wayne Manor? Tara? To be
>> taken seriously, you have to be educated...
>
> Then you failed TG, as your education WRT the 757 is lacking ahe major
> systems difference, for the type.
>
>> and the MANNER in which we operate is
>> considered by many to be as safe as any other major airline. While
>> SW has
> put
>> no less than - 4 - airlines into the lights at the end of runways,
>> we've
> had 1.
>
> Non-sequitur.
>
>> And as the ONLY post-dereg airline to make it to 20yr anniversary,
>> I'd say
> we've
>> been doing things just right. Funny, so does Washington...
>
> I'm sure America West meets the minimum standards, it would just be
> better for the public to avoid thier less safe 757s.
>

You still haven't told us how advanced ACARS makes an airplane safer splaps
boy.

Could it be that you don't know WTF you are talking about?

Bertie

skygodtj
July 14th 03, 08:44 PM
Tarver Engineering wrote:
>
> "skygodtj" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Tarver Engineering wrote:
> > >
> > > "skygodtj" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > Tarver Engineering wrote:
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > It is the data link that had me thinking TG was not a 757 pilot.
> > > >
> > > > Who is TG? Tell us smart guy, what is this data link you keep
> professing?
> > >
> > > Oh, TJ.
> > >
> > > You might want to look up the fourth generation VDL4, as that is where
> it is
> > > hoped that ICAO will adopt the VHF digital radio standard. The 757 is
> the
> > > demonstration vehicle for the data link. Large airlines like American
> use
> > > the data link to program their FMS systems and pass written messages to
> the
> > > crew. A similar system was demonstrated for aging DC-9-83s in
> conjunction
> > > with LAAS at Continental.
> >
> > Ah, so the fact that we type in routings makes us unsafe? Canned routes
> stored
> > IN the FMC would be grouped in the same way as being unsafe huh?
>
> I did not wrote the word "unsafe" TJ.

LESS SAFE. Means less THAN SAFE. Either the operation is safe, or its less
safe. What did you mean then?

> > Large airlines like Ameriflot are PARKING airplanes and firing
> employees(all
> > TWA, but thats another thread).
>
> TWA employees have a lot of bad karma.
>
> > Of course you wouldnt know this, but we HAVE ACARS, have HAD ACARS and
> USED
> > ACARS for the last two years on ALL our airplanes, 37's, 57's and the
> Bus's.
>
> But TJ, you went into great detail about how America West doesn't use the
> data link!!

Hey Mumbles, what you call data link everyone else calls ACARS, IF you had said
ACARS, then I wouldve told you. We dont use data link, we use ACARS.

> > What YOU call data link is called ACARS by everyone else, but then you
> invented
> > splaps and negative lift so I guess thats ok, you can call it whatever you
> want,
> > just dont expect anyone else to know WTF you're talking about.
>
> I am pleased you have come around to admit that you were wrong.

Wrong? How am I wrong? If you had called it rf relayed digital information I
would have said no. The World NOW knows what you are talking about is ACARS.
The term is ACARS. Not data link. Your rose by any another name is not a rose.

> > > In this way, operator error was eliminated for the 757 type almost
> > > completely and there were 18 years of completely safe operation.
> >
> > So Ameriflot NEVER had any accidents for 18 years?
>
> No 757 airframes were lost by anyone in that time. The development and
> deployment of the data link provided safety, right up until a Service
> Bulletin was ignored and the foreign NOTAM came off 180 days later.

whatever you say splappy

> > Hmm, we'll we're running a
> > close 1st with ZERO fatalities in 20yrs. But wait, we've only been in
> business
> > for that long so I guess that makes 100% fatality free years.
>
> I still go with 2 zeros since 1997, as the adding of a fatality back in was
> probably political. Those numbers are driven by automation and hand flying
> is for hobyists.

20 fatality-free years... yeah, just too bad it more of a better life than
you'll ever know.

> John P. Tarver, MS/PE

--
-------------------------------------------------------
The beatings will continue until morale improves.

Tarver Engineering
July 14th 03, 08:47 PM
"skygodtj" > wrote in message
...
> Tarver Engineering wrote:
> >
> > "skygodtj" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Tarver Engineering wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "skygodtj" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > > Tarver Engineering wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It is the data link that had me thinking TG was not a 757 pilot.
> > > > >
> > > > > Who is TG? Tell us smart guy, what is this data link you keep
> > professing?
> > > >
> > > > Oh, TJ.
> > > >
> > > > You might want to look up the fourth generation VDL4, as that is
where
> > it is
> > > > hoped that ICAO will adopt the VHF digital radio standard. The 757
is
> > the
> > > > demonstration vehicle for the data link. Large airlines like
American
> > use
> > > > the data link to program their FMS systems and pass written messages
to
> > the
> > > > crew. A similar system was demonstrated for aging DC-9-83s in
> > conjunction
> > > > with LAAS at Continental.
> > >
> > > Ah, so the fact that we type in routings makes us unsafe? Canned
routes
> > stored
> > > IN the FMC would be grouped in the same way as being unsafe huh?
> >
> > I did not wrote the word "unsafe" TJ.
>
> LESS SAFE. Means less THAN SAFE. Either the operation is safe, or its
less
> safe. What did you mean then?
>
> > > Large airlines like Ameriflot are PARKING airplanes and firing
> > employees(all
> > > TWA, but thats another thread).
> >
> > TWA employees have a lot of bad karma.
> >
> > > Of course you wouldnt know this, but we HAVE ACARS, have HAD ACARS and
USED
> > > ACARS for the last two years on ALL our airplanes, 37's, 57's and the
Bus's.
> >
> > But TJ, you went into great detail about how America West doesn't use
the
> > data link!!
>
> Hey Mumbles, what you call data link everyone else calls ACARS, IF you had
said
> ACARS, then I wouldve told you. We dont use data link, we use ACARS.

Your apology is accepted again. See how easy that worked out?

Keep in mind in the future that ACARS is just one unit in an entire system,
where a portion of it is ground based (ie VDL), and part of it is Satellite
based. (Inmarsat) The ACARS is just a router switch and not the system
itself.

John P. Tarver, MS/PE

Bertie the Bunyip
July 14th 03, 08:52 PM
"Tarver Engineering" > wrote in
:

>
> "skygodtj" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Tarver Engineering wrote:
>> >
>> > "skygodtj" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> > > Tarver Engineering wrote:
>> >
>> > > >
>> > > > It is the data link that had me thinking TG was not a 757
>> > > > pilot.
>> > >
>> > > Who is TG? Tell us smart guy, what is this data link you keep
> professing?
>> >
>> > Oh, TJ.
>> >
>> > You might want to look up the fourth generation VDL4, as that is
>> > where
> it is
>> > hoped that ICAO will adopt the VHF digital radio standard. The 757
>> > is
> the
>> > demonstration vehicle for the data link. Large airlines like
>> > American
> use
>> > the data link to program their FMS systems and pass written
>> > messages to
> the
>> > crew. A similar system was demonstrated for aging DC-9-83s in
> conjunction
>> > with LAAS at Continental.
>>
>> Ah, so the fact that we type in routings makes us unsafe? Canned
>> routes
> stored
>> IN the FMC would be grouped in the same way as being unsafe huh?
>
> I did not wrote the word "unsafe" TJ.
>
>> Large airlines like Ameriflot are PARKING airplanes and firing
> employees(all
>> TWA, but thats another thread).
>
> TWA employees have a lot of bad karma.
>
>> Of course you wouldnt know this, but we HAVE ACARS, have HAD ACARS
>> and
> USED
>> ACARS for the last two years on ALL our airplanes, 37's, 57's and the
> Bus's.
>
> But TJ, you went into great detail about how America West doesn't use
> the data link!!
>
>> What YOU call data link is called ACARS by everyone else, but then
>> you
> invented
>> splaps and negative lift so I guess thats ok, you can call it
>> whatever you
> want,
>> just dont expect anyone else to know WTF you're talking about.
>
> I am pleased you have come around to admit that you were wrong.
>
>> > In this way, operator error was eliminated for the 757 type almost
>> > completely and there were 18 years of completely safe operation.
>>
>> So Ameriflot NEVER had any accidents for 18 years?
>
> No 757 airframes were lost by anyone in that time. The development
> and deployment of the data link provided safety, right up until a
> Service Bulletin was ignored and the foreign NOTAM came off 180 days
> later.
>
>> Hmm, we'll we're running a
>> close 1st with ZERO fatalities in 20yrs. But wait, we've only been
>> in
> business
>> for that long so I guess that makes 100% fatality free years.
>
> I still go with 2 zeros since 1997, as the adding of a fatality back
> in was probably political. Those numbers are driven by automation and
> hand flying is for hobyists.


Ya think so, fjuckwit? Bwawhahwhahwhahwhahhwhahwhahhwahwhahhwhahwhahhwhah !

And BTW, since when does ACARS fly the airplane?


Bertie

Tarver Engineering
July 14th 03, 09:12 PM
"skygodtj" > wrote in message
...

> John,
>
> I flew NASA's 757(N557NA) in ATL in 1996 during the LVLASO/ROTO project.
In
> fact, I was the first civilian pilot to fly it since it was acquired by
NASA
> from DM/TUS. During that project, the box(rather large) on which the HSI
was
> projected onto has a text line at the bottom onto which ATC controller
> instructions were displayed by voice-text recognition software.
Additionally,
> the HSI map had a course line continuously displayed for our course from
takeoff
> to landing then to the gate displaying hold-short bars across intersecting
> runways.

We did similar RAVs at Dryden with the X-29 and other vehicles. The thing
is, some of these things are comming to fruition, especially now that FAA
has finally made a WAAS engineering drop. (operational as sole means") WAAS
needed a little propping up, using the TAWS data base, but at least they
figure out a way to get it to play.

> The technology from this project, and a coupla others was GIVEN to
Honeywell and
> Sperry for inclusion into their systems. It was dependent on
> Sat/GPS/IRS/Loran. It was an amazing project, and I'm damn proud to have
been
> the first civilian pilot to fly it. Oh, I've got video from about a
dozen
> cameras on the airplane and on the ground if you ever care to see it. The
> cockpit video is really kewl...

You should post them up, these ram guys will download any airplane video.

> Oh yes, I've also flown synthetic-vision projects in NASA's HST sim at
LaRC, and
> flown LIDAR research

Have you tried the latest NVG goggles? A couple of big GA pilots have
claimed they are nifty.

> sims too. Oh, all with proof too. Now if you want to continue to doubt
what I
> am... suits me fine. If I can do that, then being typed in the 757/767
for over
> 7years is no big deal.

Didn't we already get past the idea that you are a 757 pilot?

Tell some more, your work history sounds pretty interesting.

John P. Tarver, MS/PE

Tarver Engineering
July 14th 03, 09:21 PM
"skygodtj" > wrote in message
...
> Tarver Engineering wrote:
> >
> > "skygodtj" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> > > John,
> > >
> > > I flew NASA's 757(N557NA) in ATL in 1996 during the LVLASO/ROTO
project. In
> > > fact, I was the first civilian pilot to fly it since it was acquired
by NASA
> > > from DM/TUS. During that project, the box(rather large) on which the
HSI was
> > > projected onto has a text line at the bottom onto which ATC controller
> > > instructions were displayed by voice-text recognition software.
Additionally,
> > > the HSI map had a course line continuously displayed for our course
from takeoff
> > > to landing then to the gate displaying hold-short bars across
intersecting
> > > runways.
> >
> > We did similar RAVs at Dryden with the X-29 and other vehicles. The
thing
> > is, some of these things are comming to fruition, especially now that
FAA
> > has finally made a WAAS engineering drop. (operational as sole means")
WAAS
> > needed a little propping up, using the TAWS data base, but at least they
> > figure out a way to get it to play.
> >
> > > The technology from this project, and a coupla others was GIVEN to
Honeywell and
> > > Sperry for inclusion into their systems. It was dependent on
> > > Sat/GPS/IRS/Loran. It was an amazing project, and I'm damn proud to
have been
> > > the first civilian pilot to fly it. Oh, I've got video from about a
dozen
> > > cameras on the airplane and on the ground if you ever care to see it.
The
> > > cockpit video is really kewl...
> >
> > You should post them up, these ram guys will download any airplane
video.
>
> Fine, I'll hook up the video capture and post it.

These guys use one of the aviation pictures newsgroups, if you don't have a
web site.

Just notify us here when it is available.

> > > Oh yes, I've also flown synthetic-vision projects in NASA's HST sim at
LaRC, and
> > > flown LIDAR research
> >
> > Have you tried the latest NVG goggles? A couple of big GA pilots have
> > claimed they are nifty.
>
> Nope. It's either PHX-LAS-BOS or PHX-LAX-LAS-BWI, or NASA, no GA stuff.

I wanted someone who has flown both the synthetic vision and those IV
generation NVGs to compare them.

> > > sims too. Oh, all with proof too. Now if you want to continue to
doubt what I
> > > am... suits me fine. If I can do that, then being typed in the
757/767 for over
> > > 7years is no big deal.
> >
> > Didn't we already get past the idea that you are a 757 pilot?
>
> See, that wasn't so hard to admit was it? Apology accepted.

We already did this.

> > Tell some more, your work history sounds pretty interesting.
>
> Its more fun to keep you guessin'...

Have fun.

jpt.

John Mazor
July 14th 03, 10:01 PM
"Tarver Engineering" > wrote in message
...

> We did similar RAVs at Dryden with the X-29 and other vehicles. The
thing
> is, some of these things are comming to fruition, especially now
that FAA
> has finally made a WAAS engineering drop. (operational as sole
means") WAAS
> needed a little propping up, using the TAWS data base, but at least
they
> figure out a way to get it to play.

How does thissquare with your claim a few years ago that WAAS is DOA?

> > The technology from this project, and a coupla others was GIVEN to
> Honeywell and
> > Sperry for inclusion into their systems. It was dependent on
> > Sat/GPS/IRS/Loran. It was an amazing project, and I'm damn proud
to have
> been
> > the first civilian pilot to fly it. Oh, I've got video from
about a
> dozen
> > cameras on the airplane and on the ground if you ever care to see
it. The
> > cockpit video is really kewl...
>
> You should post them up, these ram guys will download any airplane
video.
>
> > Oh yes, I've also flown synthetic-vision projects in NASA's HST
sim at
> LaRC, and
> > flown LIDAR research
>
> Have you tried the latest NVG goggles? A couple of big GA pilots
have
> claimed they are nifty.

Wow.

> > sims too. Oh, all with proof too. Now if you want to continue to
doubt what I
> > am... suits me fine.

So you persist in your claim that you build airplanes. Wow.

> > If I can do that, then being typed in the 757/767 for over
> > 7years is no big deal.

Wow. So the guy who designs the outflow valve for the Blue Room is on
a par with the guy/gal who flies the airplane. Wow.

Bertie the Bunyip
July 14th 03, 10:03 PM
"Tarver Engineering" > wrote in
:

>
> "skygodtj" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Tarver Engineering wrote:
>> >
>> > "skygodtj" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> > > Tarver Engineering wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > "skygodtj" > wrote in message
>> > > > ...
>> > > > > Tarver Engineering wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > It is the data link that had me thinking TG was not a 757
>> > > > > > pilot.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Who is TG? Tell us smart guy, what is this data link you
>> > > > > keep
>> > professing?
>> > > >
>> > > > Oh, TJ.
>> > > >
>> > > > You might want to look up the fourth generation VDL4, as that
>> > > > is
> where
>> > it is
>> > > > hoped that ICAO will adopt the VHF digital radio standard. The
>> > > > 757
> is
>> > the
>> > > > demonstration vehicle for the data link. Large airlines like
> American
>> > use
>> > > > the data link to program their FMS systems and pass written
>> > > > messages
> to
>> > the
>> > > > crew. A similar system was demonstrated for aging DC-9-83s in
>> > conjunction
>> > > > with LAAS at Continental.
>> > >
>> > > Ah, so the fact that we type in routings makes us unsafe? Canned
> routes
>> > stored
>> > > IN the FMC would be grouped in the same way as being unsafe huh?
>> >
>> > I did not wrote the word "unsafe" TJ.
>>
>> LESS SAFE. Means less THAN SAFE. Either the operation is safe, or
>> its
> less
>> safe. What did you mean then?
>>
>> > > Large airlines like Ameriflot are PARKING airplanes and firing
>> > employees(all
>> > > TWA, but thats another thread).
>> >
>> > TWA employees have a lot of bad karma.
>> >
>> > > Of course you wouldnt know this, but we HAVE ACARS, have HAD
>> > > ACARS and
> USED
>> > > ACARS for the last two years on ALL our airplanes, 37's, 57's and
>> > > the
> Bus's.
>> >
>> > But TJ, you went into great detail about how America West doesn't
>> > use
> the
>> > data link!!
>>
>> Hey Mumbles, what you call data link everyone else calls ACARS, IF
>> you had
> said
>> ACARS, then I wouldve told you. We dont use data link, we use
>> ACARS.
>
> Your apology is accepted again. See how easy that worked out?
>
> Keep in mind in the future that ACARS is just one unit in an entire
> system, where a portion of it is ground based (ie VDL), and part of it
> is Satellite based. (Inmarsat) The ACARS is just a router switch and
> not the system itself.

So, you gonna explain why it makes thngs safer fjuckwit?

didn't think so

skygodtj
July 14th 03, 10:07 PM
Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>
> "Tarver Engineering" > wrote in
> :
>
> >
> > "skygodtj" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> Tarver Engineering wrote:
> >> >
> >> > "skygodtj" > wrote in message
> >> > ...
> >> > > Tarver Engineering wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > "skygodtj" > wrote in message
> >> > > > ...
> >> > > > > Tarver Engineering wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > It is the data link that had me thinking TG was not a 757
> >> > > > > > pilot.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Who is TG? Tell us smart guy, what is this data link you
> >> > > > > keep
> >> > professing?
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Oh, TJ.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > You might want to look up the fourth generation VDL4, as that
> >> > > > is
> > where
> >> > it is
> >> > > > hoped that ICAO will adopt the VHF digital radio standard. The
> >> > > > 757
> > is
> >> > the
> >> > > > demonstration vehicle for the data link. Large airlines like
> > American
> >> > use
> >> > > > the data link to program their FMS systems and pass written
> >> > > > messages
> > to
> >> > the
> >> > > > crew. A similar system was demonstrated for aging DC-9-83s in
> >> > conjunction
> >> > > > with LAAS at Continental.
> >> > >
> >> > > Ah, so the fact that we type in routings makes us unsafe? Canned
> > routes
> >> > stored
> >> > > IN the FMC would be grouped in the same way as being unsafe huh?
> >> >
> >> > I did not wrote the word "unsafe" TJ.
> >>
> >> LESS SAFE. Means less THAN SAFE. Either the operation is safe, or
> >> its
> > less
> >> safe. What did you mean then?
> >>
> >> > > Large airlines like Ameriflot are PARKING airplanes and firing
> >> > employees(all
> >> > > TWA, but thats another thread).
> >> >
> >> > TWA employees have a lot of bad karma.
> >> >
> >> > > Of course you wouldnt know this, but we HAVE ACARS, have HAD
> >> > > ACARS and
> > USED
> >> > > ACARS for the last two years on ALL our airplanes, 37's, 57's and
> >> > > the
> > Bus's.
> >> >
> >> > But TJ, you went into great detail about how America West doesn't
> >> > use
> > the
> >> > data link!!
> >>
> >> Hey Mumbles, what you call data link everyone else calls ACARS, IF
> >> you had
> > said
> >> ACARS, then I wouldve told you. We dont use data link, we use
> >> ACARS.
> >
> > Your apology is accepted again. See how easy that worked out?
> >
> > Keep in mind in the future that ACARS is just one unit in an entire
> > system, where a portion of it is ground based (ie VDL), and part of it
> > is Satellite based. (Inmarsat) The ACARS is just a router switch and
> > not the system itself.
>
> So, you gonna explain why it makes thngs safer fjuckwit?
>
> didn't think so

Data Linking the crew meals keeps pilots healthy alert and immediately
responsive to external stimuli
================================================== ========================
Tarver: Didn't we already get past the idea that you are a 757 pilot?
TJ: See, that wasn't so hard to admit was it? Apology accepted.

Bertie the Bunyip
July 15th 03, 12:05 AM
skygodtj > wrote in :

> Tarver Engineering wrote:
>>
>> "skygodtj" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>> > John,
>> >
>> > I flew NASA's 757(N557NA) in ATL in 1996 during the LVLASO/ROTO
>> > project.
>> In
>> > fact, I was the first civilian pilot to fly it since it was
>> > acquired by
>> NASA
>> > from DM/TUS. During that project, the box(rather large) on which
>> > the HSI
>> was
>> > projected onto has a text line at the bottom onto which ATC
>> > controller instructions were displayed by voice-text recognition
>> > software.
>> Additionally,
>> > the HSI map had a course line continuously displayed for our course
>> > from
>> takeoff
>> > to landing then to the gate displaying hold-short bars across
>> > intersecting runways.
>>
>> We did similar RAVs at Dryden with the X-29 and other vehicles. The
>> thing is, some of these things are comming to fruition, especially
>> now that FAA has finally made a WAAS engineering drop. (operational
>> as sole means") WAAS needed a little propping up, using the TAWS
>> data base, but at least they figure out a way to get it to play.
>>
>> > The technology from this project, and a coupla others was GIVEN to
>> Honeywell and
>> > Sperry for inclusion into their systems. It was dependent on
>> > Sat/GPS/IRS/Loran. It was an amazing project, and I'm damn proud
>> > to have
>> been
>> > the first civilian pilot to fly it. Oh, I've got video from about
>> > a
>> dozen
>> > cameras on the airplane and on the ground if you ever care to see
>> > it. The cockpit video is really kewl...
>>
>> You should post them up, these ram guys will download any airplane
>> video.
>
> Fine, I'll hook up the video capture and post it.
>
>> > Oh yes, I've also flown synthetic-vision projects in NASA's HST sim
>> > at
>> LaRC, and
>> > flown LIDAR research
>>
>> Have you tried the latest NVG goggles? A couple of big GA pilots
>> have claimed they are nifty.
>
> Nope. It's either PHX-LAS-BOS or PHX-LAX-LAS-BWI, or NASA, no GA
> stuff.
>
>> > sims too. Oh, all with proof too. Now if you want to continue to
>> > doubt
>> what I
>> > am... suits me fine. If I can do that, then being typed in the
>> > 757/767
>> for over
>> > 7years is no big deal.
>>
>> Didn't we already get past the idea that you are a 757 pilot?
>
> See, that wasn't so hard to admit was it? Apology accepted.
>
>> Tell some more, your work history sounds pretty interesting.
>
> Its more fun to keep you guessin'...
>

It's also the easiest thing in the world to do!

Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip
July 15th 03, 12:07 AM
"Tarver Engineering" > wrote in
:

>
> "skygodtj" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Tarver Engineering wrote:
>> >
>> > "skygodtj" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> >
>> > > John,
>> > >
>> > > I flew NASA's 757(N557NA) in ATL in 1996 during the LVLASO/ROTO
> project. In
>> > > fact, I was the first civilian pilot to fly it since it was
>> > > acquired
> by NASA
>> > > from DM/TUS. During that project, the box(rather large) on which
>> > > the
> HSI was
>> > > projected onto has a text line at the bottom onto which ATC
>> > > controller instructions were displayed by voice-text recognition
>> > > software.
> Additionally,
>> > > the HSI map had a course line continuously displayed for our
>> > > course
> from takeoff
>> > > to landing then to the gate displaying hold-short bars across
> intersecting
>> > > runways.
>> >
>> > We did similar RAVs at Dryden with the X-29 and other vehicles.
>> > The
> thing
>> > is, some of these things are comming to fruition, especially now
>> > that
> FAA
>> > has finally made a WAAS engineering drop. (operational as sole
>> > means")
> WAAS
>> > needed a little propping up, using the TAWS data base, but at least
>> > they figure out a way to get it to play.
>> >
>> > > The technology from this project, and a coupla others was GIVEN
>> > > to
> Honeywell and
>> > > Sperry for inclusion into their systems. It was dependent on
>> > > Sat/GPS/IRS/Loran. It was an amazing project, and I'm damn proud
>> > > to
> have been
>> > > the first civilian pilot to fly it. Oh, I've got video from
>> > > about a
> dozen
>> > > cameras on the airplane and on the ground if you ever care to see
>> > > it.
> The
>> > > cockpit video is really kewl...
>> >
>> > You should post them up, these ram guys will download any airplane
> video.
>>
>> Fine, I'll hook up the video capture and post it.
>
> These guys use one of the aviation pictures newsgroups, if you don't
> have a web site.
>
> Just notify us here when it is available.
>
>> > > Oh yes, I've also flown synthetic-vision projects in NASA's HST
>> > > sim at
> LaRC, and
>> > > flown LIDAR research
>> >
>> > Have you tried the latest NVG goggles? A couple of big GA pilots
>> > have claimed they are nifty.
>>
>> Nope. It's either PHX-LAS-BOS or PHX-LAX-LAS-BWI, or NASA, no GA
>> stuff.
>
> I wanted someone who has flown both the synthetic vision and those IV
> generation NVGs to compare them.
>
>> > > sims too. Oh, all with proof too. Now if you want to continue
>> > > to
> doubt what I
>> > > am... suits me fine. If I can do that, then being typed in the
> 757/767 for over
>> > > 7years is no big deal.
>> >
>> > Didn't we already get past the idea that you are a 757 pilot?
>>
>> See, that wasn't so hard to admit was it? Apology accepted.
>
> We already did this.
>
>> > Tell some more, your work history sounds pretty interesting.
>>
>> Its more fun to keep you guessin'...
>
> Have fun.
>

If he gets bored he can always dangle a bit of yarn in front of a cat.

Bertie

Tarver Engineering
July 15th 03, 12:32 AM
"John Mazor" > wrote in message
...
> "Tarver Engineering" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> > We did similar RAVs at Dryden with the X-29 and other vehicles. The
thing
> > is, some of these things are comming to fruition, especially now that
FAA
> > has finally made a WAAS engineering drop. (operational as sole means")
WAAS
> > needed a little propping up, using the TAWS data base, but at least they
> > figure out a way to get it to play.
>
> How does thissquare with your claim a few years ago that WAAS is DOA?

My claim is that WAAS is 5 years late. Adding the TAWS band aid was even my
idea and so we have actual "sole means" GPS.

John P. Tarver, MS/PE

Bertie the Bunyip
July 15th 03, 12:54 AM
"Tarver Engineering" > wrote in
:

>
> "John Mazor" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Tarver Engineering" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>> > We did similar RAVs at Dryden with the X-29 and other vehicles.
>> > The
> thing
>> > is, some of these things are comming to fruition, especially now
>> > that
> FAA
>> > has finally made a WAAS engineering drop. (operational as sole
>> > means")
> WAAS
>> > needed a little propping up, using the TAWS data base, but at least
>> > they figure out a way to get it to play.
>>
>> How does thissquare with your claim a few years ago that WAAS is DOA?
>
> My claim is that WAAS is 5 years late. Adding the TAWS band aid was
> even my idea and so we have actual "sole means" GPS.

Bwawahwhahwhahhwhahwhahwahwhahhwhahwahwhahwhhahwha hwhah!

Bet it was one of those alligator clip specials.

Bertie

John Mazor
July 15th 03, 01:38 AM
"Tarver Engineering" > wrote in message
...
>
> "John Mazor" > wrote in message
> ...
> > "Tarver Engineering" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> > > We did similar RAVs at Dryden with the X-29 and other vehicles.
The
> thing
> > > is, some of these things are comming to fruition, especially now
that
> FAA
> > > has finally made a WAAS engineering drop. (operational as sole
means")
> WAAS
> > > needed a little propping up, using the TAWS data base, but at
least they
> > > figure out a way to get it to play.
> >
> > How does thissquare with your claim a few years ago that WAAS is
DOA?
>
> My claim is that WAAS is 5 years late. Adding the TAWS band aid was
even my
> idea and so we have actual "sole means" GPS.

That's you claim now, a few years ago you said it was DOA.

"Your idea"? You sound like the Russkies, claiming to have invented
everything form baseball to TV.

Tarver Engineering
July 15th 03, 02:50 AM
"John Mazor" > wrote in message
...
> "Tarver Engineering" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "John Mazor" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > "Tarver Engineering" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > >
> > > > We did similar RAVs at Dryden with the X-29 and other vehicles.
> The
> > thing
> > > > is, some of these things are comming to fruition, especially now
> that
> > FAA
> > > > has finally made a WAAS engineering drop. (operational as sole
> means")
> > WAAS
> > > > needed a little propping up, using the TAWS data base, but at
> least they
> > > > figure out a way to get it to play.
> > >
> > > How does thissquare with your claim a few years ago that WAAS is DOA?
> >
> > My claim is that WAAS is 5 years late. Adding the TAWS band aid was
even my
> > idea and so we have actual "sole means" GPS.
>
> That's you claim now, a few years ago you said it was DOA.

Nope. I said WAAS is late.

Now FAA has made a release 5 years late, but made up a year by going
directly to IFR.

> "Your idea"? You sound like the Russkies, claiming to have invented
> everything form baseball to TV.

I didn't invent GPS, it was Trimble that used to make that claim.

John P. Tarver, MS/PE

John Mazor
July 15th 03, 02:57 AM
"Tarver Engineering" > wrote in message
...
>
> "John Mazor" > wrote in message
> ...
> > "Tarver Engineering" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > > "John Mazor" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > "Tarver Engineering" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > >
> > > > > We did similar RAVs at Dryden with the X-29 and other
vehicles.
> > The
> > > thing
> > > > > is, some of these things are comming to fruition, especially
now
> > that
> > > FAA
> > > > > has finally made a WAAS engineering drop. (operational as
sole
> > means")
> > > WAAS
> > > > > needed a little propping up, using the TAWS data base, but
at
> > least they
> > > > > figure out a way to get it to play.
> > > >
> > > > How does thissquare with your claim a few years ago that WAAS
is DOA?
> > >
> > > My claim is that WAAS is 5 years late. Adding the TAWS band aid
was
> even my
> > > idea and so we have actual "sole means" GPS.
> >
> > That's you claim now, a few years ago you said it was DOA.
>
> Nope. I said WAAS is late.
>
> Now FAA has made a release 5 years late, but made up a year by going
> directly to IFR.
>
> > "Your idea"? You sound like the Russkies, claiming to have
invented
> > everything form baseball to TV.
>
> I didn't invent GPS, it was Trimble that used to make that claim.

So it wasn't your idea, you were blowing it out your gerbil hole.
Thanks for playing.

Scott M. Kozel
July 15th 03, 03:15 AM
"John Mazor" > wrote:
>
> "Tarver Engineering" > wrote
> > "John Mazor" > wrote
> >
> > > "Your idea"? You sound like the Russkies, claiming to have invented
> > > everything form baseball to TV.
> >
> > I didn't invent GPS, it was Trimble that used to make that claim.
>
> So it wasn't your idea, you were blowing it out your gerbil hole.

Keyboard!

> Thanks for playing.

Scott M. Kozel
July 15th 03, 03:15 AM
"Splaps Boy" > wrote:
>
> "John Mazor" > wrote
> > "Splaps Boy" > wrote
> > > "John Mazor" > wrote
> > >
> > > > How does thissquare with your claim a few years ago that WAAS is DOA?
> > >
> > > My claim is that WAAS is 5 years late. Adding the TAWS band aid was even my
> > > idea and so we have actual "sole means" GPS.
> >
> > That's you claim now, a few years ago you said it was DOA.
>
> Nope. I said WAAS is late.
>
> Now FAA has made a release 5 years late, but made up a year by going
> directly to IFR.
>
> > "Your idea"? You sound like the Russkies, claiming to have invented
> > everything form baseball to TV.
>
> I didn't invent GPS, it was Trimble that used to make that claim.

Although the Russkies do acknowledge that Algore invented the Internet.


..

John Mazor
July 15th 03, 03:19 AM
"Scott M. Kozel" > wrote in message
...
> "Splaps Boy" > wrote:
> >
> > "John Mazor" > wrote
> > > "Splaps Boy" > wrote
> > > > "John Mazor" > wrote
> > > >
> > > > > How does thissquare with your claim a few years ago that
WAAS is DOA?
> > > >
> > > > My claim is that WAAS is 5 years late. Adding the TAWS band
aid was even my
> > > > idea and so we have actual "sole means" GPS.
> > >
> > > That's you claim now, a few years ago you said it was DOA.
> >
> > Nope. I said WAAS is late.
> >
> > Now FAA has made a release 5 years late, but made up a year by
going
> > directly to IFR.
> >
> > > "Your idea"? You sound like the Russkies, claiming to have
invented
> > > everything form baseball to TV.
> >
> > I didn't invent GPS, it was Trimble that used to make that claim.
>
> Although the Russkies do acknowledge that Algore invented the
Internet.

But Republicans don't. ;-)

Tarver Engineering
July 15th 03, 03:25 AM
"John Mazor" > wrote in message
...
> "Tarver Engineering" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "John Mazor" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > "Tarver Engineering" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > >
> > > > "John Mazor" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > > "Tarver Engineering" > wrote in message
> > > > > ...
> > > > >
> > > > > > We did similar RAVs at Dryden with the X-29 and other
> vehicles.
> > > The
> > > > thing
> > > > > > is, some of these things are comming to fruition, especially
> now
> > > that
> > > > FAA
> > > > > > has finally made a WAAS engineering drop. (operational as
> sole
> > > means")
> > > > WAAS
> > > > > > needed a little propping up, using the TAWS data base, but
> at
> > > least they
> > > > > > figure out a way to get it to play.
> > > > >
> > > > > How does thissquare with your claim a few years ago that WAAS
> is DOA?
> > > >
> > > > My claim is that WAAS is 5 years late. Adding the TAWS band aid was
> > even my
> > > > idea and so we have actual "sole means" GPS.
> > >
> > > That's you claim now, a few years ago you said it was DOA.
> >
> > Nope. I said WAAS is late.
> >
> > Now FAA has made a release 5 years late, but made up a year by going
> > directly to IFR.
> >
> > > "Your idea"? You sound like the Russkies, claiming to have invented
> > > everything form baseball to TV.
> >
> > I didn't invent GPS, it was Trimble that used to make that claim.
>
> So it wasn't your idea, you were blowing it out your gerbil hole.

The only part that was my idea was using the TAWS data base to address the
problems with the WGS-84 oblate speroid model and the real earth. I suppose
we will so how all that works out, but by adding pressure altitude to the
box even the TAWS data base guys that didn't want it tied to GPS are happy.

John P. Tarver, MS/PE

John Mazor
July 15th 03, 03:38 AM
"Tarver Engineering" > wrote in message
...
>
> "John Mazor" > wrote in message
> ...
> > "Tarver Engineering" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > > "John Mazor" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > "Tarver Engineering" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > >
> > > > > "John Mazor" > wrote in message
> > > > > ...
> > > > > > "Tarver Engineering" > wrote in message
> > > > > > ...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > We did similar RAVs at Dryden with the X-29 and other
> > vehicles.
> > > > The
> > > > > thing
> > > > > > > is, some of these things are comming to fruition,
especially
> > now
> > > > that
> > > > > FAA
> > > > > > > has finally made a WAAS engineering drop. (operational
as
> > sole
> > > > means")
> > > > > WAAS
> > > > > > > needed a little propping up, using the TAWS data base,
but
> > at
> > > > least they
> > > > > > > figure out a way to get it to play.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > How does thissquare with your claim a few years ago that
WAAS
> > is DOA?
> > > > >
> > > > > My claim is that WAAS is 5 years late. Adding the TAWS band
aid was
> > > even my
> > > > > idea and so we have actual "sole means" GPS.
> > > >
> > > > That's you claim now, a few years ago you said it was DOA.
> > >
> > > Nope. I said WAAS is late.
> > >
> > > Now FAA has made a release 5 years late, but made up a year by
going
> > > directly to IFR.
> > >
> > > > "Your idea"? You sound like the Russkies, claiming to have
invented
> > > > everything form baseball to TV.
> > >
> > > I didn't invent GPS, it was Trimble that used to make that
claim.
> >
> > So it wasn't your idea, you were blowing it out your gerbil hole.
>
> The only part that was my idea was using the TAWS data base to
address the
> problems with the WGS-84 oblate speroid model and the real earth. I
suppose
> we will so how all that works out, but by adding pressure altitude
to the
> box even the TAWS data base guys that didn't want it tied to GPS are
happy.

Sure.

Tarver Engineering
July 15th 03, 03:59 AM
"John Mazor" > wrote in message
...
> "Tarver Engineering" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "John Mazor" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > "Tarver Engineering" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > >
> > > > "John Mazor" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > > "Tarver Engineering" > wrote in message
> > > > > ...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "John Mazor" > wrote in message
> > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > "Tarver Engineering" > wrote in message
> > > > > > > ...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > We did similar RAVs at Dryden with the X-29 and other
> > > vehicles.
> > > > > The
> > > > > > thing
> > > > > > > > is, some of these things are comming to fruition,
> especially
> > > now
> > > > > that
> > > > > > FAA
> > > > > > > > has finally made a WAAS engineering drop. (operational
> as
> > > sole
> > > > > means")
> > > > > > WAAS
> > > > > > > > needed a little propping up, using the TAWS data base,
> but
> > > at
> > > > > least they
> > > > > > > > figure out a way to get it to play.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > How does thissquare with your claim a few years ago that
> WAAS
> > > is DOA?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My claim is that WAAS is 5 years late. Adding the TAWS band
> aid was
> > > > even my
> > > > > > idea and so we have actual "sole means" GPS.
> > > > >
> > > > > That's you claim now, a few years ago you said it was DOA.
> > > >
> > > > Nope. I said WAAS is late.
> > > >
> > > > Now FAA has made a release 5 years late, but made up a year by
> going
> > > > directly to IFR.
> > > >
> > > > > "Your idea"? You sound like the Russkies, claiming to have
> invented
> > > > > everything form baseball to TV.
> > > >
> > > > I didn't invent GPS, it was Trimble that used to make that
> claim.
> > >
> > > So it wasn't your idea, you were blowing it out your gerbil hole.
> >
> > The only part that was my idea was using the TAWS data base to address
the
> > problems with the WGS-84 oblate speroid model and the real earth. I
suppose
> > we will so how all that works out, but by adding pressure altitude to
the
> > box even the TAWS data base guys that didn't want it tied to GPS are
happy.
>
> Sure.

Yep. The change turned a marginal thing into a winner, although a bit
different that what it was in the beginning. Fudes sensors for small GA is
a good thing.

Bertie the Bunyip
July 15th 03, 10:21 AM
"Tarver Engineering" > wrote in
:

>
> "John Mazor" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Tarver Engineering" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> > "John Mazor" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> > > "Tarver Engineering" > wrote in message
>> > > ...
>> > >
>> > > > We did similar RAVs at Dryden with the X-29 and other vehicles.
>> The
>> > thing
>> > > > is, some of these things are comming to fruition, especially
>> > > > now
>> that
>> > FAA
>> > > > has finally made a WAAS engineering drop. (operational as sole
>> means")
>> > WAAS
>> > > > needed a little propping up, using the TAWS data base, but at
>> least they
>> > > > figure out a way to get it to play.
>> > >
>> > > How does thissquare with your claim a few years ago that WAAS is
>> > > DOA?
>> >
>> > My claim is that WAAS is 5 years late. Adding the TAWS band aid
>> > was
> even my
>> > idea and so we have actual "sole means" GPS.
>>
>> That's you claim now, a few years ago you said it was DOA.
>
> Nope. I said WAAS is late.
>
> Now FAA has made a release 5 years late, but made up a year by going
> directly to IFR.
>
>> "Your idea"? You sound like the Russkies, claiming to have invented
>> everything form baseball to TV.
>
> I didn't invent GPS, it was Trimble that used to make that claim.

And who's makiung it now Splaps boy?

BTW get any postcards from TJ lately?

Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip
July 15th 03, 10:23 AM
"Tarver Engineering" > wrote in
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>
> "John Mazor" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Tarver Engineering" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> > "John Mazor" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> > > "Tarver Engineering" > wrote in message
>> > > ...
>> > > >
>> > > > "John Mazor" > wrote in message
>> > > > ...
>> > > > > "Tarver Engineering" > wrote in message
>> > > > > ...
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > "John Mazor" > wrote in message
>> > > > > > ...
>> > > > > > > "Tarver Engineering" > wrote in message
>> > > > > > > ...
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > We did similar RAVs at Dryden with the X-29 and other
>> > > vehicles.
>> > > > > The
>> > > > > > thing
>> > > > > > > > is, some of these things are comming to fruition,
>> especially
>> > > now
>> > > > > that
>> > > > > > FAA
>> > > > > > > > has finally made a WAAS engineering drop. (operational
>> as
>> > > sole
>> > > > > means")
>> > > > > > WAAS
>> > > > > > > > needed a little propping up, using the TAWS data base,
>> but
>> > > at
>> > > > > least they
>> > > > > > > > figure out a way to get it to play.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > How does thissquare with your claim a few years ago that
>> WAAS
>> > > is DOA?
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > My claim is that WAAS is 5 years late. Adding the TAWS
>> > > > > > band
>> aid was
>> > > > even my
>> > > > > > idea and so we have actual "sole means" GPS.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > That's you claim now, a few years ago you said it was DOA.
>> > > >
>> > > > Nope. I said WAAS is late.
>> > > >
>> > > > Now FAA has made a release 5 years late, but made up a year by
>> going
>> > > > directly to IFR.
>> > > >
>> > > > > "Your idea"? You sound like the Russkies, claiming to have
>> invented
>> > > > > everything form baseball to TV.
>> > > >
>> > > > I didn't invent GPS, it was Trimble that used to make that
>> claim.
>> > >
>> > > So it wasn't your idea, you were blowing it out your gerbil hole.
>> >
>> > The only part that was my idea was using the TAWS data base to
>> > address
> the
>> > problems with the WGS-84 oblate speroid model and the real earth.
>> > I
> suppose
>> > we will so how all that works out, but by adding pressure altitude
>> > to
> the
>> > box even the TAWS data base guys that didn't want it tied to GPS
>> > are
> happy.
>>
>> Sure.
>
> Yep. The change turned a marginal thing into a winner, although a bit
> different that what it was in the beginning. Fudes sensors for small
> GA is a good thing.


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