Burglary

[NVArt]

Had the dastardly happen a couple nights ago. Garmin 196, two David
Clarks, eyeglasses. In my hangar, too.
Looks like a pro job. No vandalism apparent. Plane was unlocked with
key in ignition. And left that way by perp(s).
The question: Would any of you have an A&P do a thorough check of the
bird or would do as I think I might and just do a more than usual
preflight?

[Peter R.]

On 5/9/2007 11:15:56 AM, NVArt wrote:

> Had the dastardly happen a couple nights ago. Garmin 196, two David
> Clarks, eyeglasses. In my hangar, too.
> Looks like a pro job. No vandalism apparent. Plane was unlocked with
> key in ignition. And left that way by perp(s).

Regarding the above, I would recommend immediately creating an eBay "Favorite
Search" that emails you when auctions appear with the above items.

The time it takes to do this is worth the potential payoff of finding your
goods and perhaps the perps who did this.

See this Smoking Gun link for a story about a teacher who stole an elementary
student's coat and the mother who just happened to stumble upon the auction
for it out on eBay that resulted in the teacher being arrested:


http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0502072coat1.html?link=rssfeed

--
Peter

[Ross]

NVArt wrote:
> Had the dastardly happen a couple nights ago. Garmin 196, two David
> Clarks, eyeglasses. In my hangar, too.
> Looks like a pro job. No vandalism apparent. Plane was unlocked with
> key in ignition. And left that way by perp(s).
> The question: Would any of you have an A&P do a thorough check of the
> bird or would do as I think I might and just do a more than usual
> preflight?
>

Several years ago we had breakins at our local airport. The FBO stayed
at the airport one night and caught the guys in the act. Young kids with
a prower nut driver taking out the sheet metal screws, gettting in the
hangar and then putting it back together. One kid was already out on
probation for breakins. They all got more probation. Love the legal system.

--

Regards, Ross
C-172F 180HP
KSWI

[Jim Carter[_1_]]

First question is: has this happened at other hangers or to other owners at
your airport recently? If so, then was this only theft or did the culprits
damage anything?

Sounds like kids since they didn't pull any avionics out of the panel.

I would tend to do a real thorough preflight under the pretense that
aircraft in open hangers could be violated all the time and if the culprit
didn't steal anything the owner probably wouldn't even suspect the bird had
been touched.

If this is not the first event like this in recent history at your airport
then you can probably judge your risk by reviewing previous break-ins.

--
Jim Carter
Rogers, Arkansas
"NVArt" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Had the dastardly happen a couple nights ago. Garmin 196, two David
> Clarks, eyeglasses. In my hangar, too.
> Looks like a pro job. No vandalism apparent. Plane was unlocked with
> key in ignition. And left that way by perp(s).
> The question: Would any of you have an A&P do a thorough check of the
> bird or would do as I think I might and just do a more than usual
> preflight?
>

[John Galban]

On May 9, 11:30 am, "Jim Carter" > wrote:
>
> Sounds like kids since they didn't pull any avionics out of the panel.
>

I agree with Jim. The lack of avionics theft, other than what was
loose and easy to pick up, would lead me to believe that you're
dealing with kids that were looking for easy pickings. They
obviously didn't know the payoff for a few seconds extra work involved
in sliding radios out of the panel.

I think a thorough preflight will suffice.

When I had my portable GPS, headset and Narco nav/com stolen years
ago, I quit leaving portable stuff in the plane. Insurance paid for
the panel mounted nav/com, but I was on my own for the rest.

John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)

[Bob Noel]

In article om>,
John Galban > wrote:

> On May 9, 11:30 am, "Jim Carter" > wrote:
> >
> > Sounds like kids since they didn't pull any avionics out of the panel.
> >
>
> I agree with Jim. The lack of avionics theft, other than what was
> loose and easy to pick up, would lead me to believe that you're
> dealing with kids that were looking for easy pickings. They
> obviously didn't know the payoff for a few seconds extra work involved
> in sliding radios out of the panel.

unless they stole a radio, and replaced it with one from a different aircraft...

--
Bob Noel
(goodness, please trim replies!!!)

[NVArt]

I should have mentioned the panel is all ARC and TKM. Also my wifes DC
was untouched atop the panel while mine was removed. And another in a
bag in the back. Just trying to piece together whatever logic can be
pieced.
It probably sounds crazy, but I'm almost appreciative. That is, that
they didn't carve their initials in the windshield or something. Slash
the seats. Take a ball peen to every steam guage. Just for something
to do.
Thanx for the replies.

[tony roberts]

Were the presets in the avionics as you left them?
I heard of some folk stealing avionics to order.
They steal them, remove identical ones from another aircraft and replace
them with the stolen ones, then sell the ones they removed.
So while everyone is looking for the serial number of the stolen ones,
they are in another aircraft and the ones being sold are not being
searched for. Sneaky eh?

Good luck in getting your stuff back

Tony

--

Tony Roberts
PP-ASEL
VFR OTT
Night
Cessna 172H C-GICE

In article . com>,
NVArt > wrote:

> Had the dastardly happen a couple nights ago. Garmin 196, two David
> Clarks, eyeglasses. In my hangar, too.
> Looks like a pro job. No vandalism apparent. Plane was unlocked with
> key in ignition. And left that way by perp(s).
> The question: Would any of you have an A&P do a thorough check of the
> bird or would do as I think I might and just do a more than usual
> preflight?

[tom418]

stealing a coat from a kid...

How low can one go?


"Peter R." > wrote in message
...
> On 5/9/2007 11:15:56 AM, NVArt wrote:
>
> > Had the dastardly happen a couple nights ago. Garmin 196, two David
> > Clarks, eyeglasses. In my hangar, too.
> > Looks like a pro job. No vandalism apparent. Plane was unlocked with
> > key in ignition. And left that way by perp(s).
>
> Regarding the above, I would recommend immediately creating an eBay
"Favorite
> Search" that emails you when auctions appear with the above items.
>
> The time it takes to do this is worth the potential payoff of finding your
> goods and perhaps the perps who did this.
>
> See this Smoking Gun link for a story about a teacher who stole an
elementary
> student's coat and the mother who just happened to stumble upon the
auction
> for it out on eBay that resulted in the teacher being arrested:
>
>
>
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0502072coat1.html?link=rssfeed
>
> --
> Peter

[C J Campbell[_1_]]

On 2007-05-09 08:15:59 -0700, NVArt > said:

> Had the dastardly happen a couple nights ago. Garmin 196, two David
> Clarks, eyeglasses. In my hangar, too.
> Looks like a pro job. No vandalism apparent. Plane was unlocked with
> key in ignition. And left that way by perp(s).
> The question: Would any of you have an A&P do a thorough check of the
> bird or would do as I think I might and just do a more than usual
> preflight?

I was just released from a jury yesterday where we tried a burglar. He
had stolen some clothing, belt buckles, and knives, total value less
than $250.

Despite the fact that an eyewitness who knew him personally (it's a
small town) clearly identified him coming out of the house, he was seen
giving belt buckles to his buddies at the soup kitchen, and he still
had one of the knives and one of the belt buckles on his person when
apprehended by the police -- it took two solid days of deliberation to
convince the whole jury that this guy was guilty. In fact, the original
vote was 10-2 to acquit. The last holdout never was convinced that the
case was proved, but finally voted with the rest.

I checked out his record after I got home. The guy has a long criminal
record of several burglaries, break-ins, petty thefts, etc. The thing
that threw the jury off was the guy had dyed his hair during the
burglary, but by the time he went back to trial his hair was its normal
color. But the neighbor who had seen him come out of the house had
known this guy for more than three years, regularly spoke with him, saw
him frequently around town, and was able to identify him no matter what
his hair color was. Even so, when the witness said he had white tips on
his hair at the time of the burglary, the fact that his hair was now
all black (4 months later) was enough to confuse a majority of the
jury. It just did not seem to occur to these bozos that people can
change their hair color. His booking photo, by the way, did show white
tips on his hair.

--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

[Don Tuite]

On Fri, 11 May 2007 07:07:51 -0700, C J Campbell
> wrote:

>On 2007-05-09 08:15:59 -0700, NVArt > said:
>
>> Had the dastardly happen a couple nights ago. Garmin 196, two David
>> Clarks, eyeglasses. In my hangar, too.
>> Looks like a pro job. No vandalism apparent. Plane was unlocked with
>> key in ignition. And left that way by perp(s).
>> The question: Would any of you have an A&P do a thorough check of the
>> bird or would do as I think I might and just do a more than usual
>> preflight?
>
>I was just released from a jury yesterday where we tried a burglar. He
>had stolen some clothing, belt buckles, and knives, total value less
>than $250.
>
>Despite the fact that an eyewitness who knew him personally (it's a
>small town) clearly identified him coming out of the house, he was seen
>giving belt buckles to his buddies at the soup kitchen, and he still
>had one of the knives and one of the belt buckles on his person when
>apprehended by the police -- it took two solid days of deliberation to
>convince the whole jury that this guy was guilty. In fact, the original
>vote was 10-2 to acquit. The last holdout never was convinced that the
>case was proved, but finally voted with the rest.
>
>I checked out his record after I got home. The guy has a long criminal
>record of several burglaries, break-ins, petty thefts, etc. The thing
>that threw the jury off was the guy had dyed his hair during the
>burglary, but by the time he went back to trial his hair was its normal
>color. But the neighbor who had seen him come out of the house had
>known this guy for more than three years, regularly spoke with him, saw
>him frequently around town, and was able to identify him no matter what
>his hair color was. Even so, when the witness said he had white tips on
>his hair at the time of the burglary, the fact that his hair was now
>all black (4 months later) was enough to confuse a majority of the
>jury. It just did not seem to occur to these bozos that people can
>change their hair color. His booking photo, by the way, did show white
>tips on his hair.

Much goes on below the surface in Forks. <insert smiley>

Don

[Graverobber[_2_]]

http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070511/NEWS03/705110345&SearchID=73280762454896



"NVArt" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Had the dastardly happen a couple nights ago. Garmin 196, two David
> Clarks, eyeglasses. In my hangar, too.
> Looks like a pro job. No vandalism apparent. Plane was unlocked with
> key in ignition. And left that way by perp(s).
> The question: Would any of you have an A&P do a thorough check of the
> bird or would do as I think I might and just do a more than usual
> preflight?
>

[Dan Luke]

"C J Campbell" wrote:

> Despite the fact that an eyewitness who knew him personally (it's a small
> town) clearly identified him coming out of the house, he was seen giving
> belt buckles to his buddies at the soup kitchen, and he still had one of the
> knives and one of the belt buckles on his person when apprehended by the
> police -- it took two solid days of deliberation to convince the whole jury
> that this guy was guilty. In fact, the original vote was 10-2 to acquit. The
> last holdout never was convinced that the case was proved, but finally voted
> with the rest.


Amazin', ain't it?

I was on a panel trying a DUI case in which the accused had driven her car
into a tree. When emergency responders arrived, the car was on fire and she
was asleep on the ground some distance away, uninjured.

When the state trooper interviewed her, she admitted to having been drinking
and she filled the trooper's car with alcohol fumes. She was unable to
complete a field sobriety test, actually falling down at one point. This was
an hour after the accident.

She refused a breathalyzer test, but was charged with DUI based on the other
evidence.

After a full afternoon of deliberation (I guess juries in such cases don't get
as much time as felony juries) the panel was deadlocked 6 to 6 and she walked.
One of my fellow jurors remarked that field sobriety tests are "tricked up to
make people look drunk" and should be disregarded. When I reminded him of the
trooper's other testimony, he said the trooper was probably lying because he
would "get in trouble" if the woman wasn't convicted. Five other jurors found
this argument convincing.


--
Dan
C172RG at BFM

[C J Campbell[_1_]]

On 2007-05-11 08:10:30 -0700, Don Tuite
> said:

> On Fri, 11 May 2007 07:07:51 -0700, C J Campbell
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2007-05-09 08:15:59 -0700, NVArt > said:
>>
>>> Had the dastardly happen a couple nights ago. Garmin 196, two David
>>> Clarks, eyeglasses. In my hangar, too.
>>> Looks like a pro job. No vandalism apparent. Plane was unlocked with
>>> key in ignition. And left that way by perp(s).
>>> The question: Would any of you have an A&P do a thorough check of the
>>> bird or would do as I think I might and just do a more than usual
>>> preflight?
>>
>> I was just released from a jury yesterday where we tried a burglar. He
>> had stolen some clothing, belt buckles, and knives, total value less
>> than $250.
>>
>> Despite the fact that an eyewitness who knew him personally (it's a
>> small town) clearly identified him coming out of the house, he was seen
>> giving belt buckles to his buddies at the soup kitchen, and he still
>> had one of the knives and one of the belt buckles on his person when
>> apprehended by the police -- it took two solid days of deliberation to
>> convince the whole jury that this guy was guilty. In fact, the original
>> vote was 10-2 to acquit. The last holdout never was convinced that the
>> case was proved, but finally voted with the rest.
>>
>> I checked out his record after I got home. The guy has a long criminal
>> record of several burglaries, break-ins, petty thefts, etc. The thing
>> that threw the jury off was the guy had dyed his hair during the
>> burglary, but by the time he went back to trial his hair was its normal
>> color. But the neighbor who had seen him come out of the house had
>> known this guy for more than three years, regularly spoke with him, saw
>> him frequently around town, and was able to identify him no matter what
>> his hair color was. Even so, when the witness said he had white tips on
>> his hair at the time of the burglary, the fact that his hair was now
>> all black (4 months later) was enough to confuse a majority of the
>> jury. It just did not seem to occur to these bozos that people can
>> change their hair color. His booking photo, by the way, did show white
>> tips on his hair.
>
> Much goes on below the surface in Forks. <insert smiley>
>
> Don

You know, that Forks is a real hotbed. Amazing they haven't made TV
series there yet. Maybe because places that get something like 100" of
rain a year make dismal TV.
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

[C J Campbell[_1_]]

On 2007-05-11 15:15:13 -0700, "Dan Luke" > said:

>
> "C J Campbell" wrote:
>
>> Despite the fact that an eyewitness who knew him personally (it's a small
>> town) clearly identified him coming out of the house, he was seen giving
>> belt buckles to his buddies at the soup kitchen, and he still had one of the
>> knives and one of the belt buckles on his person when apprehended by the
>> police -- it took two solid days of deliberation to convince the whole jury
>> that this guy was guilty. In fact, the original vote was 10-2 to acquit. The
>> last holdout never was convinced that the case was proved, but finally voted
>> with the rest.
>
>
> Amazin', ain't it?
>
> I was on a panel trying a DUI case in which the accused had driven her car
> into a tree. When emergency responders arrived, the car was on fire and she
> was asleep on the ground some distance away, uninjured.
>
> When the state trooper interviewed her, she admitted to having been drinking
> and she filled the trooper's car with alcohol fumes. She was unable to
> complete a field sobriety test, actually falling down at one point. This was
> an hour after the accident.
>
> She refused a breathalyzer test, but was charged with DUI based on the other
> evidence.
>
> After a full afternoon of deliberation (I guess juries in such cases don't get
> as much time as felony juries) the panel was deadlocked 6 to 6 and she walked.
> One of my fellow jurors remarked that field sobriety tests are "tricked up to
> make people look drunk" and should be disregarded. When I reminded him of the
> trooper's other testimony, he said the trooper was probably lying because he
> would "get in trouble" if the woman wasn't convicted. Five other jurors found
> this argument convincing.

Sounds like it was truly a jury of her peers. :-)
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

[C J Campbell[_1_]]

On 2007-05-11 14:22:11 -0700, "Graverobber"
> said:

> http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070511/NEWS03/705110345&SearchID=73280762454896

Nice.
>
Hangin's too good for them.


--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

[Mike Spera]

>
> After a full afternoon of deliberation (I guess juries in such cases don't get
> as much time as felony juries) the panel was deadlocked 6 to 6 and she walked.
> One of my fellow jurors remarked that field sobriety tests are "tricked up to
> make people look drunk" and should be disregarded. When I reminded him of the
> trooper's other testimony, he said the trooper was probably lying because he
> would "get in trouble" if the woman wasn't convicted. Five other jurors found
> this argument convincing.
>
>
And when she does it again and kills a carload of innocent folks, can we
also try the holdout jurors? I guess driving off the road and running
into a stationary tree was not considered as evidence by these nit wits.

They should video tape these tests and let the jury decide. That way the
officer's prejudice would be removed to a great extent (I suppose you
could place the camera on an unedited video in a way to affect the
outcome - maybe). Then again, if running into a tree does not convince
you, a video of someone falling down drunk may not either.

Be careful out there,
Mike

[Robert M. Gary]

On May 9, 8:54 am, "Peter R." > wrote:
> On 5/9/2007 11:15:56 AM, NVArt wrote:
>
> > Had the dastardly happen a couple nights ago. Garmin 196, two David
> > Clarks, eyeglasses. In my hangar, too.
> > Looks like a pro job. No vandalism apparent. Plane was unlocked with
> > key in ignition. And left that way by perp(s).
>
> Regarding the above, I would recommend immediately creating an eBay "Favorite
> Search" that emails you when auctions appear with the above items.
>
> The time it takes to do this is worth the potential payoff of finding your
> goods and perhaps the perps who did this.
>
> See this Smoking Gun link for a story about a teacher who stole an elementary
> student's coat and the mother who just happened to stumble upon the auction
> for it out on eBay that resulted in the teacher being arrested:
>
> http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0502072coat1.html?lin...
>
> --
> Peter

The story sounds fishy. The seller is still an active seller, still
selling clothes. Either she's still selling stuff kids leave in class
or there is something wrong with the story.

-Robert

[Peter R.]

On 5/15/2007 2:14:47 PM, "Robert M. Gary" wrote:

> The story sounds fishy. The seller is still an active seller, still
> selling clothes. Either she's still selling stuff kids leave in class
> or there is something wrong with the story.

eBay has been showing her ID as "Not a registered user" now since that story
first broke. It looks as if eBay suspended her when they learned of this.

--
Peter

[Robert M. Gary]

On May 15, 11:45 am, "Peter R." > wrote:
> On 5/15/2007 2:14:47 PM, "Robert M. Gary" wrote:
>
> > The story sounds fishy. The seller is still an active seller, still
> > selling clothes. Either she's still selling stuff kids leave in class
> > or there is something wrong with the story.
>
> eBay has been showing her ID as "Not a registered user" now since that story
> first broke. It looks as if eBay suspended her when they learned of this.
>
> --
> Peter

Yet the user has numous active auctions. Odd. She appears to sell lots
and lots of clothes. You wonder if they call came from the school's
lost-and-found.

-robert

[Robert M. Gary]

On May 15, 11:45 am, "Peter R." > wrote:
> On 5/15/2007 2:14:47 PM, "Robert M. Gary" wrote:
>
> > The story sounds fishy. The seller is still an active seller, still
> > selling clothes. Either she's still selling stuff kids leave in class
> > or there is something wrong with the story.
>
> eBay has been showing her ID as "Not a registered user" now since that story
> first broke. It looks as if eBay suspended her when they learned of this.
>
> --
> Peter

Well, now her items appear to be down. Maybe eBay just took some time
to delist the actual items. She was selling lots and lots of stuff,
she must have been running some sort of a business to have access to
that many clothes.

-Robert

[Peter R.]

On 5/18/2007 6:03:44 PM, "Robert M. Gary" wrote:

> She appears to sell lots
> and lots of clothes. You wonder if they call came from the school's
> lost-and-found.

I agree. Makes you go "hmmmm..."

--
Peter