Repaving evicts us from our hangar?

[Jay Masino]

I was curious if anyone else has experienced this... Our airport is
having it's ramp area re-paved. Because of scheduling, they're starting
earlier than expected. 4 buildings of T-hangars have to be out by this
Monday (the 21st). Actually, you have a choice of being tiedown outside
for 2 months, or be trapped inside your hangar for 2 months. My plane
lived outside for a lot of years, but that was considerably inland. My
current airport is on the coast (Ocean City). I hate the idea of
sitting outside for that length of time, within a 1/4 mile of the ocean.
What do you guys think? I'm leaning towards leaving it in the hangar,
and starting some projects that would disable her, anyway.

--

Jay Masino "Home is where My critters are"
http://www.JayMasino.com
http://www.OceanCityAirport.com
http://www.oc-Adolfos.com

[B A R R Y[_2_]]

Jay Masino wrote:
> I was curious if anyone else has experienced this...

Two years ago, everyone got kicked off a local AIRPORT (not hangar),
because the only runway was being repaved.

[Peter R.]

On 5/16/2007 7:32:44 AM, wrote:

> What do you guys think? I'm leaning towards leaving it in the hangar,
> and starting some projects that would disable her, anyway.

Now's the time to get that new interior you have always dreamed of. :)

Tough call, but if you really have big projects that would have kept the
aircraft ground-bound anyhow, may as well use the paving as the excuse to get
it done. Who knows, maybe the paving will be finished early?

--
Peter

[Nathan Young]

On Wed, 16 May 2007 06:32:48 -0500, (Jay Masino)
wrote:

>I was curious if anyone else has experienced this... Our airport is
>having it's ramp area re-paved. Because of scheduling, they're starting
>earlier than expected. 4 buildings of T-hangars have to be out by this
>Monday (the 21st). Actually, you have a choice of being tiedown outside
>for 2 months, or be trapped inside your hangar for 2 months. My plane
>lived outside for a lot of years, but that was considerably inland. My
>current airport is on the coast (Ocean City). I hate the idea of
>sitting outside for that length of time, within a 1/4 mile of the ocean.
>What do you guys think? I'm leaning towards leaving it in the hangar,
>and starting some projects that would disable her, anyway.

Happened to me at 3CK (Lake in the Hills, IL) a few years ago. The
paving work was in the middle of summer, and I was faced with the same
choices as you (tiedown, be trapped in the hangar, or go to another
airport).

I was leaning towards the tiedown, but then realized I wanted to get
the plane painted anyway, and the annual was due in 2 months... So I
moved the annual up a month and then had the plane painted afterwards.

-Nathan

[Jay Honeck]

> I was curious if anyone else has experienced this... Our airport is
> having it's ramp area re-paved. Because of scheduling, they're starting
> earlier than expected. 4 buildings of T-hangars have to be out by this
> Monday (the 21st). Actually, you have a choice of being tiedown outside
> for 2 months, or be trapped inside your hangar for 2 months.

TWO MONTHS? Dang.

This same thing happened to us last fall, when the city FINALLY (after
10 years of complaining) repaved the taxiways around our hangars. But
we were only "on the street" for about 2 weeks. What the heck are
they doing for two months?

At the end of this month we're out again, as the city willl be putting
new concrete floors in our T-hangars. Our floor is pea gravel (which
we covered with astroturf years ago, to keep the dust down), and
concrete will be nice -- but it means we have to move EVERYTHING out
of the hangar!

As anyone who has ever visited our hangar knows, that's gonna take a
moving truck to accomplish. Still, it'll only be for about ten
days... And it'll force us to discard a bunch of junk that has
accumulated...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Ross]

Jay Masino wrote:
> I was curious if anyone else has experienced this... Our airport is
> having it's ramp area re-paved. Because of scheduling, they're starting
> earlier than expected. 4 buildings of T-hangars have to be out by this
> Monday (the 21st). Actually, you have a choice of being tiedown outside
> for 2 months, or be trapped inside your hangar for 2 months. My plane
> lived outside for a lot of years, but that was considerably inland. My
> current airport is on the coast (Ocean City). I hate the idea of
> sitting outside for that length of time, within a 1/4 mile of the ocean.
> What do you guys think? I'm leaning towards leaving it in the hangar,
> and starting some projects that would disable her, anyway.
>

I had to relocat my aircraft several years ago when our airport was
going under a complete reconstruction. I went to a community hangar at
another airport. I had to pay there for a couple of months and I did not
get a reduction on rent at my airport for the time. But, I could still
fly. There is a airport about 30 miles south of us that is going to do
the same thing this summer and planes are already getting relocation.
Another airport in our city is giving free ramp parking during their
down time.

--

Regards, Ross
C-172F 180HP
KSWI

[Darrel Toepfer]

B A R R Y > wrote:

> Jay Masino wrote:
>> I was curious if anyone else has experienced this...
>
> Two years ago, everyone got kicked off a local AIRPORT (not hangar),
> because the only runway was being repaved.

Thats when people start flying off the taxiway...

[pgbnh]

If what you are concerned about is 'airborne', why do you believe that the
aircraft is any more protected inside the hangar than outside? Sun, wind,
hail, sure. But unless you have an airtight hangar, then the damp salty air
will exist inside the hangar as well as out. Maybe even more as you do not
have the advantage of warm sun drying the air.


"Jay Masino" > wrote in message
. ..
>I was curious if anyone else has experienced this... Our airport is
> having it's ramp area re-paved. Because of scheduling, they're starting
> earlier than expected. 4 buildings of T-hangars have to be out by this
> Monday (the 21st). Actually, you have a choice of being tiedown outside
> for 2 months, or be trapped inside your hangar for 2 months. My plane
> lived outside for a lot of years, but that was considerably inland. My
> current airport is on the coast (Ocean City). I hate the idea of
> sitting outside for that length of time, within a 1/4 mile of the ocean.
> What do you guys think? I'm leaning towards leaving it in the hangar,
> and starting some projects that would disable her, anyway.
>
> --
>
> Jay Masino "Home is where My critters are"
> http://www.JayMasino.com
> http://www.OceanCityAirport.com
> http://www.oc-Adolfos.com

[Marco Leon]

Jay,

I highly doubt any weather-related issues would become noticable let alone
significant over being tied-down outside for two months. That would mean all
the planes currently tied-down on coastal airports would be rendered useless
in a year or two. As others have said, your hangar is not
climate-controlled and therefore exposed to the same salty air that the
other non-hangared planes are exposed to.

Marco

"Jay Masino" > wrote in message
. ..
>I was curious if anyone else has experienced this... Our airport is
> having it's ramp area re-paved. Because of scheduling, they're starting
> earlier than expected. 4 buildings of T-hangars have to be out by this
> Monday (the 21st). Actually, you have a choice of being tiedown outside
> for 2 months, or be trapped inside your hangar for 2 months. My plane
> lived outside for a lot of years, but that was considerably inland. My
> current airport is on the coast (Ocean City). I hate the idea of
> sitting outside for that length of time, within a 1/4 mile of the ocean.
> What do you guys think? I'm leaning towards leaving it in the hangar,
> and starting some projects that would disable her, anyway.
>
> --
>
> Jay Masino "Home is where My critters are"
> http://www.JayMasino.com
> http://www.OceanCityAirport.com
> http://www.oc-Adolfos.com

[Jay Masino]

All good points. Actually, after I posted this, my mechanic pointed out
that a greater risk might be dust and debris from them ripping up the
old asphalt. They're supposedly going down 12" and starting with a new
foundation. Luckily, they're not doing in front of the hangars,
directly. But the ripped up transient ramp will block access to the
runway if I stay.

I guess after 10 years of parking outside, I've become spoiled being
inside for the last 5. I'll probably just start a few projects that the
airplane has needed for a while. It'll be part of my A&P mechanic
"training".

It's also a good test to see if I can actually go 2 months without
flying. I've tinkered with the idea of getting out of the hobby (after
20 years).


--

Jay Masino "Home is where My critters are"
http://www.JayMasino.com
http://www.OceanCityAirport.com
http://www.oc-Adolfos.com

[Matt Whiting]

Jay Masino wrote:
> I was curious if anyone else has experienced this... Our airport is
> having it's ramp area re-paved. Because of scheduling, they're starting
> earlier than expected. 4 buildings of T-hangars have to be out by this
> Monday (the 21st). Actually, you have a choice of being tiedown outside
> for 2 months, or be trapped inside your hangar for 2 months. My plane
> lived outside for a lot of years, but that was considerably inland. My
> current airport is on the coast (Ocean City). I hate the idea of
> sitting outside for that length of time, within a 1/4 mile of the ocean.
> What do you guys think? I'm leaning towards leaving it in the hangar,
> and starting some projects that would disable her, anyway.
>

Two months to pave a ramp? Either you have the biggest ramp known to
man or the slowest paving contractor.

Matt

[john smith[_2_]]

In article >,
Darrel Toepfer > wrote:

> B A R R Y > wrote:
>
> > Jay Masino wrote:
> >> I was curious if anyone else has experienced this...
> >
> > Two years ago, everyone got kicked off a local AIRPORT (not hangar),
> > because the only runway was being repaved.
>
> Thats when people start flying off the taxiway...

That's right, only the runway has X's on it.
That's what I used when the runway at the airport where the airplane I
was flying was being reconstructed.
Some people got upset and said it wasn't permitted but couldn't back up
what they were saying with any regulation. The airport manager didn't
complain.

[John Galban]

On May 16, 7:55 am, Jay Honeck > wrote:
>
> This same thing happened to us last fall, when the city FINALLY (after
> 10 years of complaining) repaved the taxiways around our hangars. But
> we were only "on the street" for about 2 weeks. What the heck are
> they doing for two months?
>

Our airport just finished resurfacing every square inch of pavement
(runways, taxiways and all ramps). It took about 5 weeks for the
entire project. There wasn't much inconvenience because they
orchestrated a well organized ballet of aircraft around the ramp.
They divided the ramp into several segments and arranged for the
plane owners on ramps that were about to be paved, to move to the most
recently paved ramp area. With about 500 planes on the field, that
was quite a trick, but everything ran like clockwork. Plane owners
who couldn't or wouldn't move had their planes moved for them, for the
reasonable fee of $100, round trip. Hangar residents were only
trapped for about 4 days, if they han't relocated ahead of time.

I had my doubts about the whole thing, but it worked out pretty
well. The advance planning I witnessed at my local aiport was far
superior to that of a certain FSS contractor that I know of.

John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)

[Jay Masino]

Matt Whiting > wrote:
> Two months to pave a ramp? Either you have the biggest ramp known to
> man or the slowest paving contractor.

Well, they're not just re-paving. They're breaking up and removing all
the old asphalt, digging down 12 inches (reportedly), adding a layer
of gravel, and then re-paving. It's a fairly large ramp, but I think
all these other steps are what's making it a big deal.

Never the less, the Town of Ocean City seemed fairly indifferent to the
convenience of the hangar tenants. I've heard some information to the
contrary over the last 24 hours. We'll see.



--

Jay Masino "Home is where My critters are"
http://www.JayMasino.com
http://www.OceanCityAirport.com
http://www.oc-Adolfos.com

[Bob Noel]

In article om>,
Jay Honeck > wrote:

> At the end of this month we're out again, as the city willl be putting
> new concrete floors in our T-hangars. Our floor is pea gravel (which
> we covered with astroturf years ago, to keep the dust down), and
> concrete will be nice -- but it means we have to move EVERYTHING out
> of the hangar!
>
> As anyone who has ever visited our hangar knows, that's gonna take a
> moving truck to accomplish.

just one?

--
Bob Noel
(goodness, please trim replies!!!)

[Bob Noel]

In article >,
(Jay Masino) wrote:

> It's also a good test to see if I can actually go 2 months without
> flying. I've tinkered with the idea of getting out of the hobby (after
> 20 years).

ack!!

--
Bob Noel
(goodness, please trim replies!!!)

[Matt Whiting]

Jay Masino wrote:
> Matt Whiting > wrote:
>> Two months to pave a ramp? Either you have the biggest ramp known to
>> man or the slowest paving contractor.
>
> Well, they're not just re-paving. They're breaking up and removing all
> the old asphalt, digging down 12 inches (reportedly), adding a layer
> of gravel, and then re-paving. It's a fairly large ramp, but I think
> all these other steps are what's making it a big deal.
>
> Never the less, the Town of Ocean City seemed fairly indifferent to the
> convenience of the hangar tenants. I've heard some information to the
> contrary over the last 24 hours. We'll see.
>
>
>

Even so, there is no reason this can't be done in stages that would
prevent having to have everyone locked out for 2 months. A smart
contractor would do this in stages anyway so that all of his personell
can be working at the same time - demolition, debris removal, adding the
new gravel and paving. If he does all of the demolition, and then all
of the debris hauling, and then adds all of the gravel, and then does
all of the paving last, that is just very poor construction management
and utilization of equipment and personnel. If they run all of these
concurrently in close sequence, then they should be able to pass each
hangar in a couple weeks or less and allow the other hangars to remain
in use.


Matt

[Darrel Toepfer]

john smith > wrote:

>> Thats when people start flying off the taxiway...
>
> That's right, only the runway has X's on it.
> That's what I used when the runway at the airport where the airplane I
> was flying was being reconstructed.
> Some people got upset and said it wasn't permitted but couldn't back up
> what they were saying with any regulation. The airport manager didn't
> complain.

For Jay, you now have Runway XX Left and XX Right depending on direction of
travel... Geaux practice on the narrowest paved strips you can find if it
makes you nervous and also do you short field TO/LD till you feel
comfortable...

[Jim Carter[_1_]]

I made the mistake 20 years ago of selling my Funk before I had a
replacement lined up. By the time I was narrowing down the choices, other
things came up to soak up the funds. I learned never, never sell your
aircraft until you know which one will replace it and are ready to buy.

I suspect you may be facing the opportunity to make that same mistake.

--
Jim Carter
Rogers, Arkansas
"Jay Masino" > wrote in message
. ..
> All good points. Actually, after I posted this, my mechanic pointed out
> that a greater risk might be dust and debris from them ripping up the
> old asphalt. They're supposedly going down 12" and starting with a new
> foundation. Luckily, they're not doing in front of the hangars,
> directly. But the ripped up transient ramp will block access to the
> runway if I stay.
>
> I guess after 10 years of parking outside, I've become spoiled being
> inside for the last 5. I'll probably just start a few projects that the
> airplane has needed for a while. It'll be part of my A&P mechanic
> "training".
>
> It's also a good test to see if I can actually go 2 months without
> flying. I've tinkered with the idea of getting out of the hobby (after
> 20 years).
>
>
> --
>
> Jay Masino "Home is where My critters are"
> http://www.JayMasino.com
> http://www.OceanCityAirport.com
> http://www.oc-Adolfos.com

[B A R R Y[_2_]]

john smith wrote:
>
> That's right, only the runway has X's on it.
> That's what I used when the runway at the airport where the airplane I
> was flying was being reconstructed.
> Some people got upset and said it wasn't permitted but couldn't back up
> what they were saying with any regulation.

At our airport, they backed it up with parked earth moving equipment.

[Jay Masino]

Matt Whiting > wrote:
> Even so, there is no reason this can't be done in stages that would
> prevent having to have everyone locked out for 2 months. A smart
> contractor would do this in stages anyway so that all of his personell
> can be working at the same time - demolition, debris removal, adding the
> new gravel and paving. If he does all of the demolition, and then all
> of the debris hauling, and then adds all of the gravel, and then does
> all of the paving last, that is just very poor construction management
> and utilization of equipment and personnel. If they run all of these
> concurrently in close sequence, then they should be able to pass each
> hangar in a couple weeks or less and allow the other hangars to remain
> in use.

You're absolutely correct, and I suggested that to the Director of
Public Works. Currently they're just using two massive phases. The
first phase *is* the two month phase. I suggested that they break it
into 5 or 6 smaller phases, and he basically told me "the phasing is
written into the contract, and what it is is what it is. We're not
changing it at this stage". Subsequent e-mails between him, myself and
the airport manager have seemingly "softened" that stance. As I said,
we'll see...

--- Jay


--

Jay Masino "Home is where My critters are"
http://www.JayMasino.com
http://www.OceanCityAirport.com
http://www.oc-Adolfos.com

[Roger (K8RI)]

On Thu, 17 May 2007 11:58:22 GMT, B A R R Y >
wrote:

>john smith wrote:
>>
>> That's right, only the runway has X's on it.
>> That's what I used when the runway at the airport where the airplane I
>> was flying was being reconstructed.
>> Some people got upset and said it wasn't permitted but couldn't back up
>> what they were saying with any regulation.
>
>At our airport, they backed it up with parked earth moving equipment.

We've had ramp and taxiway repaving and runway repaving (different
projects)

They told us it might be a month, but they did the taxiways and ramp
in stages. I was out of the hangar for slightly less than a week when
they did one part and only a couple of days when they did the taxiway
right in front of the hangar.

Previous manager got bent out of shape when some pilots landed on one
of the taxiways and reported them. FAA said, "no problem" just try to
do it when he isn't watching." <:-)) As we use the grass between the
taxiway and run way on a regular basis with tail draggers, landing on
the taxiway is no problem either...as long as no one is actually using
it as a taxiway at the time.

[Lou]

I'm curious,
Do you still have to pay rent while your not able to use the hanger?
Lou