Prop sync and noise in twins

[Mxsmanic]

I note that the Baron (and presumably other twins) has a prop sync switch that
somehow synchronizes the prop speeds on both engines. From recordings I've
heard of the interior noise of the aircraft, it does sound as though props
that are just slightly out of sync can produce a very irritating intermittent
noise as they move in and out of phase. Is it very bothersome in real life?
Also, how does the prop sync work? Does it actually move pitch or throttle
levers or something?

--
Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

[Sylvain]

Mxsmanic wrote:
> Also, how does the prop sync work?

I don't fly something fancy enough to have an automagic sync thingy; so I
go by ear. It is a bit like tuning a guitar really, but fiddling with the
throttle (you can't rely on either the throttle position nor the rpm
indicators, not precise enough).

--Sylvain

[John Theune]

Mxsmanic wrote:
> I note that the Baron (and presumably other twins) has a prop sync switch that
> somehow synchronizes the prop speeds on both engines. From recordings I've
> heard of the interior noise of the aircraft, it does sound as though props
> that are just slightly out of sync can produce a very irritating intermittent
> noise as they move in and out of phase. Is it very bothersome in real life?
> Also, how does the prop sync work? Does it actually move pitch or throttle
> levers or something?
>
If you type in prop synch multi-engine planes into the google search
window the first hit you will see is this
The AVSIM Forums - Viewing topic #736 - Prop sync
Out of synch propellers will not be as obvious or as annoying in a
simulator as in a real plane. In most aircraft with prop synch, you
first manually ...
forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=189&topic_id=736&mode=full
- 56k - Cached - Similar pages

Go there , read it and you will know all you want to know.

[RomeoMike]

I was taught and always used the prop control for sync.

Sylvain wrote:
It is a bit like tuning a guitar really, but fiddling with the
> throttle

>
> --Sylvain

[ManhattanMan]

John Theune wrote:
> Mxsmanic wrote:
>> I note that the Baron (and presumably other twins) has a prop sync
>> switch that somehow synchronizes the prop speeds on both engines. From
>> recordings I've heard of the interior noise of the aircraft, it
>> does sound as though props that are just slightly out of sync can
>> produce a very irritating intermittent noise as they move in and out
>> of phase. Is it very bothersome in real life? Also, how does the
>> prop sync work? Does it actually move pitch or throttle levers or
>> something?
> If you type in prop synch multi-engine planes into the google search
> window the first hit you will see is this
> The AVSIM Forums - Viewing topic #736 - Prop sync
> Out of synch propellers will not be as obvious or as annoying in a
> simulator as in a real plane. In most aircraft with prop synch, you
> first manually ...
> forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=189&topic_id=736&mode=full
> - 56k - Cached - Similar pages
>
> Go there , read it and you will know all you want to know.

OMG - you want MX to actually *research* his trolling questions????
All by his little self????????

What fun is that??

[Sylvain]

RomeoMike wrote:

> I was taught and always used the prop control for sync.
>
> Sylvain wrote:
> It is a bit like tuning a guitar really, but fiddling with the
>> throttle


you are right, I was wrong. Ooops. what was I thinking? going
to hide myself under a rock for the next few hours...

--Sylvain

[Dave[_1_]]

Yes... it can be REALLY irritating..

I have a twin engine boat, same issue... VERY annoying.. to me, and
many others..

Some don't seem to mind.. (?)

Not only the noise, but the vibrations , when out of sync, can be very
annoying as well...

Dave



On Mon, 21 May 2007 23:04:57 +0200, Mxsmanic >
wrote:

>I note that the Baron (and presumably other twins) has a prop sync switch that
>somehow synchronizes the prop speeds on both engines. From recordings I've
>heard of the interior noise of the aircraft, it does sound as though props
>that are just slightly out of sync can produce a very irritating intermittent
>noise as they move in and out of phase. Is it very bothersome in real life?
>Also, how does the prop sync work? Does it actually move pitch or throttle
>levers or something?

[Dudley Henriques[_2_]]

"Dave" > wrote in message
...
> Yes... it can be REALLY irritating..
>
> I have a twin engine boat, same issue... VERY annoying.. to me, and
> many others..
>
> Some don't seem to mind.. (?)
>
> Not only the noise, but the vibrations , when out of sync, can be very
> annoying as well...
>
> Dave

We had a Cessna 337 on our line for charter use at one time. It had a sync
gauge. Strangely enough, whenever I had occasion to fly this bird I always
ended up syncing the props by ear. You could easily feel if one of them was
out even by a small amount of RPM.
Dudley Henriques

[Mortimer Schnerd, RN[_2_]]

Dudley Henriques wrote:
> We had a Cessna 337 on our line for charter use at one time. It had a sync
> gauge. Strangely enough, whenever I had occasion to fly this bird I always
> ended up syncing the props by ear. You could easily feel if one of them was
> out even by a small amount of RPM.


The C-402s I used to fly had a prop syncrophaser but I never knew it to work.
The ear, OTOH, never lied. I never thought it was much of a problem to synch
twins. I'd have to ask my father about how they synched the props in the
Connies and C-54s.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

[Mxsmanic]

John Theune writes:

> If you type in prop synch multi-engine planes into the google search
> window the first hit you will see is this
> The AVSIM Forums - Viewing topic #736 - Prop sync
> Out of synch propellers will not be as obvious or as annoying in a
> simulator as in a real plane. In most aircraft with prop synch, you
> first manually ...
> forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=189&topic_id=736&mode=full
> - 56k - Cached - Similar pages
>
> Go there , read it and you will know all you want to know.

Thanks. I guess people in the AVSIM forums actually answer questions rather
than just point people to Google.

--
Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

[Mxsmanic]

Dudley Henriques writes:

> We had a Cessna 337 on our line for charter use at one time. It had a sync
> gauge. Strangely enough, whenever I had occasion to fly this bird I always
> ended up syncing the props by ear. You could easily feel if one of them was
> out even by a small amount of RPM.

Logically the smallest differences would also be the most annoying, since they
would result in such slow variations. And in theory you should be able to
eliminate them by adjusting RPM manually. But since the Baron has a prop sync
switch it occurred to me that perhaps the RPM levers aren't precise enough to
make it easy to sync the props (?).

I'm still not clear on whether or not this switch actually moves the prop
levers or what. If it does, it sounds expensive, since it needs an actuator
or servo in the cockpit or along the linkage. If it doesn't, it means that
some of the engine control positions might not accurately reflect the actual
engine settings and that engine settings might not obey the control movements
if prop sync is operating.

--
Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

[buttman]

On May 21, 9:50 pm, Mxsmanic > wrote:
> Dudley Henriques writes:
> > We had a Cessna 337 on our line for charter use at one time. It had a sync
> > gauge. Strangely enough, whenever I had occasion to fly this bird I always
> > ended up syncing the props by ear. You could easily feel if one of them was
> > out even by a small amount of RPM.
>
> Logically the smallest differences would also be the most annoying, since they
> would result in such slow variations. And in theory you should be able to
> eliminate them by adjusting RPM manually. But since the Baron has a prop sync
> switch it occurred to me that perhaps the RPM levers aren't precise enough to
> make it easy to sync the props (?).
>
> I'm still not clear on whether or not this switch actually moves the prop
> levers or what. If it does, it sounds expensive, since it needs an actuator
> or servo in the cockpit or along the linkage. If it doesn't, it means that
> some of the engine control positions might not accurately reflect the actual
> engine settings and that engine settings might not obey the control movements
> if prop sync is operating.
>
> --
> Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

In the baron I got my multi in, you had to first get the props sync'd
up to within 50 rpm. Then you press the sync button and it fine tunes
the prop governors to get them exact. At least thats how I remember
it, it's been a while. Get a POH, it'll have detailed descriptions of
the system. IIRC Beechcraft POH's are pretty expensive (over $100)

[Dylan Smith]

On 2007-05-21, Sylvain > wrote:
> I don't fly something fancy enough to have an automagic sync thingy; so I
> go by ear. It is a bit like tuning a guitar really, but fiddling with the

Probably more like tuning a piano, since you're listening for the beat
frequency (or lack thereof).

--
Yes, the Reply-To email address is valid.
Oolite-Linux: an Elite tribute: http://oolite-linux.berlios.de

[John Theune]

Mxsmanic wrote:
> John Theune writes:
>
>> If you type in prop synch multi-engine planes into the google search
>> window the first hit you will see is this
>> The AVSIM Forums - Viewing topic #736 - Prop sync
>> Out of synch propellers will not be as obvious or as annoying in a
>> simulator as in a real plane. In most aircraft with prop synch, you
>> first manually ...
>> forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=189&topic_id=736&mode=full
>> - 56k - Cached - Similar pages
>>
>> Go there , read it and you will know all you want to know.
>
> Thanks. I guess people in the AVSIM forums actually answer questions rather
> than just point people to Google.
>
I had you blocked for a long time but took you off recently and see I
made a mistake. Your still as much of a ass as before. Try to do a
just a little bit of work yourself.

[BDS[_2_]]

"Mxsmanic" > wrote

> I note that the Baron (and presumably other twins) has a prop sync switch
that
> somehow synchronizes the prop speeds on both engines. From recordings
I've
> heard of the interior noise of the aircraft, it does sound as though props
> that are just slightly out of sync can produce a very irritating
intermittent
> noise as they move in and out of phase.

Slightly out isn't as bad as way out IMO. One of our guys likes to fly with
that wow-wow-wow-wow going on for hours and it drives me nuts when I'm the
passenger. It's all I can do to prevent myself from reaching over and
adjusting the props myself.

> Also, how does the prop sync work? Does it actually move pitch or
throttle
> levers or something?

In our aircraft there are pulse generators that monitor engine rpm and feed
a computer. The computer directly controls the right engine prop governor.
The system only works if the engines are already within 50 rpm of each
other. Even then, the system can take up to a minute to sync the props -
it's much easier and quicker to do it manually. Ours has never worked all
that well and we really don't use it, or need it for that matter.

BDS

[Bertie the Bunyip[_2_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> Dudley Henriques writes:
>
>> We had a Cessna 337 on our line for charter use at one time. It had a
>> sync gauge. Strangely enough, whenever I had occasion to fly this
>> bird I always ended up syncing the props by ear. You could easily
>> feel if one of them was out even by a small amount of RPM.
>
> Logically the smallest differences would also be the most annoying,
> since they would result in such slow variations

You're an idiot.

Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_2_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> Dudley Henriques writes:
>
>> We had a Cessna 337 on our line for charter use at one time. It had a
>> sync gauge. Strangely enough, whenever I had occasion to fly this
>> bird I always ended up syncing the props by ear. You could easily
>> feel if one of them was out even by a small amount of RPM.
>
> Logically the smallest differences would also be the most annoying,
> since they would result in such slow variations. And in theory you
> should be able to eliminate them by adjusting RPM manually. But since
> the Baron has a prop sync switch it occurred to me that perhaps the
> RPM levers aren't precise enough to make it easy to sync the props
> (?).
>
> I'm still not clear on whether or not this switch actually moves the
> prop levers or what.

I know, send me $200 and I'll tell you fjukktard


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_2_]]

buttman > wrote in
oups.com:

> On May 21, 9:50 pm, Mxsmanic > wrote:
>> Dudley Henriques writes:
>> > We had a Cessna 337 on our line for charter use at one time. It had
>> > a sync gauge. Strangely enough, whenever I had occasion to fly this
>> > bird I always ended up syncing the props by ear. You could easily
>> > feel if one of them was out even by a small amount of RPM.
>>
>> Logically the smallest differences would also be the most annoying,
>> since they would result in such slow variations. And in theory you
>> should be able to eliminate them by adjusting RPM manually. But
>> since the Baron has a prop sync switch it occurred to me that perhaps
>> the RPM levers aren't precise enough to make it easy to sync the
>> props (?).
>>
>> I'm still not clear on whether or not this switch actually moves the
>> prop levers or what. If it does, it sounds expensive, since it needs
>> an actuator or servo in the cockpit or along the linkage. If it
>> doesn't, it means that some of the engine control positions might not
>> accurately reflect the actual engine settings and that engine
>> settings might not obey the control movements if prop sync is
>> operating.
>>
>> --
>> Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.
>
> In the baron I got my multi in, you had to first get the props sync'd
> up to within 50 rpm. Then you press the sync button and it fine tunes
> the prop governors to get them exact. At least thats how I remember
> it, it's been a while. Get a POH, it'll have detailed descriptions of
> the system. IIRC Beechcraft POH's are pretty expensive (over $100)

Wow, the modern CFI, waht a mrvel he is.


Bertie
>
>

[Bertie the Bunyip[_2_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> I note that the Baron (and presumably other twins) has a prop sync
> switch that somehow synchronizes the prop speeds on both engines.
> From recordings I've heard of the interior noise of the aircraft, it
> does sound as though props that are just slightly out of sync can
> produce a very irritating intermittent noise as they move in and out
> of phase.

If you want to simulate that accurately, just talk while your's jerking off
with your sim

Berti e

[Bertie the Bunyip[_2_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> John Theune writes:
>
>> If you type in prop synch multi-engine planes into the google search
>> window the first hit you will see is this
>> The AVSIM Forums - Viewing topic #736 - Prop sync
>> Out of synch propellers will not be as obvious or as annoying in a
>> simulator as in a real plane. In most aircraft with prop synch, you
>> first manually ...
>> forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=189&topic_id=736
&mode
>> =full - 56k - Cached - Similar pages
>>
>> Go there , read it and you will know all you want to know.
>
> Thanks. I guess people in the AVSIM forums actually answer questions
> rather than just point people to Google.


Ooow 1Teh big flying circle jerk! you must be so happy there..

Bertie

[Gary[_2_]]

On May 22, 12:47 am, Mxsmanic > wrote:
> Thanks. I guess people in the AVSIM forums actually answer questions rather
> than just point people to Google.


Yep, AVSIM is greatly superior to rec.aviation.* for your purposes.

Off you go, then. Our loss is their gain.

(in the meantime, the 'mute' button will provide you all the sync
capabilities you'll ever need).

[Erik]

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
> Ooow 1Teh big flying circle jerk! you must be so happy there..
>
> Bertie

You are one small and unhappy person. Find a hobby.
Cheer yourself up. Life can be better, you know.

[Erik]

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

> Wow, the modern CFI, waht a mrvel he is.
>
>
> Bertie
>
>>
>


You are one small and unhappy person. Find a hobby.
Cheer yourself up. Life can be better, you know.

[Erik]

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

>
> You're an idiot.
>
> Bertie

You are one small and unhappy person. Find a hobby.
Cheer yourself up. Life can be better, you know.

[Erik]

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

> I know, send me $200 and I'll tell you fjukktard
>
>
> Bertie

Just be sure to spend it on some counselling, ok?

[Erik]

Mxsmanic wrote:

> John Theune writes:
>
>
>>If you type in prop synch multi-engine planes into the google search
>>window the first hit you will see is this
>>The AVSIM Forums - Viewing topic #736 - Prop sync
>>Out of synch propellers will not be as obvious or as annoying in a
>>simulator as in a real plane. In most aircraft with prop synch, you
>>first manually ...
>>forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=189&topic_id=736&mode=full
>>- 56k - Cached - Similar pages
>>
>>Go there , read it and you will know all you want to know.
>
>
> Thanks. I guess people in the AVSIM forums actually answer questions rather
> than just point people to Google.

To be fair, Google is the place to start.

Interesting question, though.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_2_]]

Erik > wrote in news:1356fn0ndo1r1f3
@corp.supernews.com:

> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>> Ooow 1Teh big flying circle jerk! you must be so happy there..
>>
>> Bertie
>
> You are one small and unhappy person. Find a hobby.

Got one thanks.

> Cheer yourself up.

I'm happy as a pig in ****, actually.

Life can be better, you know.

Thank some little net nanny? I know.


Berti e

[Bertie the Bunyip[_2_]]

Erik > wrote in news:1356fnpjo8uc810
@corp.supernews.com:

> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>
>> Wow, the modern CFI, waht a mrvel he is.
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> You are one small and unhappy person. Find a hobby.
> Cheer yourself up. Life can be better, you know.
>

oow I have a remora!
kewl!

Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_2_]]

Erik > wrote in
:

> Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>
>> I know, send me $200 and I'll tell you fjukktard
>>
>>
>> Bertie
>
> Just be sure to spend it on some counselling, ok?

Oh dear, you're killing me here.

You realy aren';t too bright, are you?


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_2_]]

Erik > wrote in
:

> Mxsmanic wrote:
>
>> John Theune writes:
>>
>>
>>>If you type in prop synch multi-engine planes into the google search
>>>window the first hit you will see is this
>>>The AVSIM Forums - Viewing topic #736 - Prop sync
>>>Out of synch propellers will not be as obvious or as annoying in a
>>>simulator as in a real plane. In most aircraft with prop synch, you
>>>first manually ...
>>>forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=189&topic_id=736
&mode
>>>=full - 56k - Cached - Similar pages
>>>
>>>Go there , read it and you will know all you want to know.
>>
>>
>> Thanks. I guess people in the AVSIM forums actually answer questions
>> rather than just point people to Google.
>
> To be fair, Google is the place to start.
>
> Interesting question, though.

Oh brother.

SOCKPUPPET!





Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_2_]]

Erik > wrote in
:

> Mxsmanic wrote:
>
>> John Theune writes:
>>
>>
>>>If you type in prop synch multi-engine planes into the google search
>>>window the first hit you will see is this
>>>The AVSIM Forums - Viewing topic #736 - Prop sync
>>>Out of synch propellers will not be as obvious or as annoying in a
>>>simulator as in a real plane. In most aircraft with prop synch, you
>>>first manually ...
>>>forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=189&topic_id=736
&mode
>>>=full - 56k - Cached - Similar pages
>>>
>>>Go there , read it and you will know all you want to know.
>>
>>
>> Thanks. I guess people in the AVSIM forums actually answer questions
>> rather than just point people to Google.
>
> To be fair, Google is the place to start.
>
> Interesting question, though.
>

BTW, exactly who was it said this **** was a master troll?

Bwawhahwhahhwhahwhahwhahwhhahwhahwhahwhhahwhahwhah hwhahwhahwhahhwhahwhah
hwh!

Bertie


Bertie

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Mxsmanic" > wrote

> Thanks. I guess people in the AVSIM forums actually answer questions
> rather
> than just point people to Google.

So go there and ask you questions, and leave us alone. It should be clear
that you are not welcome by most of the people here.

[chris[_1_]]

On May 22, 4:47 pm, Mxsmanic > wrote:
> John Theune writes:
> > If you type in prop synch multi-engine planes into the google search
> > window the first hit you will see is this
> > The AVSIM Forums - Viewing topic #736 - Prop sync
> > Out of synch propellers will not be as obvious or as annoying in a
> > simulator as in a real plane. In most aircraft with prop synch, you
> > first manually ...
> > forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=189&topic_id=736&mode=full
> > - 56k - Cached - Similar pages
>
> > Go there , read it and you will know all you want to know.
>
> Thanks. I guess people in the AVSIM forums actually answer questions rather
> than just point people to Google.
>
> --
> Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

Well **** off there and leave us alone then. You love to tell us how
unhelpful we are then you keep coming back!!! Sounds a lot like a
serious personality disorder right there

[Dave[_3_]]

Same here Dudley..

I have a "few " hours in a 310... I just set them manually, they
stayed in sync very well

I have 2500 hrs on the boat, no auto sync, although they make them.

You engage it once the vessel is moving fwd in gear, then use one
throttle (usually the Starboard) and the Port engine tracks the
master..

The 1st sign of engine trouble is the engines going out of sync
without any aparent reason...

Cheers!

Dave





On Mon, 21 May 2007 22:46:39 -0400, "Dudley Henriques"
> wrote:

>
>"Dave" > wrote in message
...
>> Yes... it can be REALLY irritating..
>>
>> I have a twin engine boat, same issue... VERY annoying.. to me, and
>> many others..
>>
>> Some don't seem to mind.. (?)
>>
>> Not only the noise, but the vibrations , when out of sync, can be very
>> annoying as well...
>>
>> Dave
>
>We had a Cessna 337 on our line for charter use at one time. It had a sync
>gauge. Strangely enough, whenever I had occasion to fly this bird I always
>ended up syncing the props by ear. You could easily feel if one of them was
>out even by a small amount of RPM.
>Dudley Henriques
>

[EatMe]

On May 22, 3:43 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> Erik > wrote :
>
>
>
>
>
> > Mxsmanic wrote:
>
> >> John Theune writes:
>
> >>>If you type in prop synch multi-engine planes into the google search
> >>>window the first hit you will see is this
> >>>The AVSIM Forums - Viewing topic #736 - Prop sync
> >>>Out of synch propellers will not be as obvious or as annoying in a
> >>>simulator as in a real plane. In most aircraft with prop synch, you
> >>>first manually ...
> >>>forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=189&topic_id=736
> &mode
> >>>=full - 56k - Cached - Similar pages
>
> >>>Go there , read it and you will know all you want to know.
>
> >> Thanks. I guess people in the AVSIM forums actually answer questions
> >> rather than just point people to Google.
>
> > To be fair, Google is the place to start.
>
> > Interesting question, though.
>
> BTW, exactly who was it said this **** was a master troll?
>
> Bwawhahwhahhwhahwhahwhahwhhahwhahwhahwhhahwhahwhah hwhahwhahwhahhwhahwhah
> hwh!
>
> Bertie
>
> Bertie

Same folks who claimed you weren't evidently.

"That Bertie! He's such a sly one!"

[EatMe]

On May 22, 9:30 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> buttman > wrote groups.com:
>
>
>
> > On May 21, 9:50 pm, Mxsmanic > wrote:
> >> Dudley Henriques writes:
> >> > We had a Cessna 337 on our line for charter use at one time. It had
> >> > a sync gauge. Strangely enough, whenever I had occasion to fly this
> >> > bird I always ended up syncing the props by ear. You could easily
> >> > feel if one of them was out even by a small amount of RPM.
>
> >> Logically the smallest differences would also be the most annoying,
> >> since they would result in such slow variations. And in theory you
> >> should be able to eliminate them by adjusting RPM manually. But
> >> since the Baron has a prop sync switch it occurred to me that perhaps
> >> the RPM levers aren't precise enough to make it easy to sync the
> >> props (?).
>
> >> I'm still not clear on whether or not this switch actually moves the
> >> prop levers or what. If it does, it sounds expensive, since it needs
> >> an actuator or servo in the cockpit or along the linkage. If it
> >> doesn't, it means that some of the engine control positions might not
> >> accurately reflect the actual engine settings and that engine
> >> settings might not obey the control movements if prop sync is
> >> operating.
>
> >> --
> >> Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.
>
> > In the baron I got my multi in, you had to first get the props sync'd
> > up to within 50 rpm. Then you press the sync button and it fine tunes
> > the prop governors to get them exact. At least thats how I remember
> > it, it's been a while. Get a POH, it'll have detailed descriptions of
> > the system. IIRC Beechcraft POH's are pretty expensive (over $100)
>
> Wow, the modern CFI, waht a mrvel he is.
>
> Bertie
>
>

Well I'll bet he can spell-check, fjucktard.

When I get senile dementia, I want to be just like Bertie Butnip!

[EatMe]

On May 22, 3:38 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> Erik > wrote in news:1356fnpjo8uc810
> @corp.supernews.com:
>
> > Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>
> >> Wow, the modern CFI, waht a mrvel he is.
>
> >> Bertie
>
> > You are one small and unhappy person. Find a hobby.
> > Cheer yourself up. Life can be better, you know.
>
> oow I have a remora!
> kewl!
>
> Bertie

Don't flatter yourself skippy.

You are the hemorrhoid of Usenet.

But we love you anyway. Without you life has no meaning or rhyme.
Like notes to a song out of time.

[EatMe]

On May 22, 9:28 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> Mxsmanic > wrote :
>
> > Dudley Henriques writes:
>
> >> We had a Cessna 337 on our line for charter use at one time. It had a
> >> sync gauge. Strangely enough, whenever I had occasion to fly this
> >> bird I always ended up syncing the props by ear. You could easily
> >> feel if one of them was out even by a small amount of RPM.
>
> > Logically the smallest differences would also be the most annoying,
> > since they would result in such slow variations
>
> You're an idiot.
>
> Bertie


And you are the wind beneath our buns. So?

[EatMe]

On May 22, 3:41 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> Erik > wrote :
>
> > Bertie the Bunyip spewed:
>
>
>
> You realy aren';t too bright, are you?
>
> Bertie

Hmmmm...your command of 'English' speaks for itself.

But your sense of humor is enjoyable. Such irony.

[EatMe]

On May 22, 9:31 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> Mxsmanic > wrote :
>
> > I note that the Baron (and presumably other twins) has a prop sync
> > switch that somehow synchronizes the prop speeds on both engines.
> > From recordings I've heard of the interior noise of the aircraft, it
> > does sound as though props that are just slightly out of sync can
> > produce a very irritating intermittent noise as they move in and out
> > of phase.
>
> If you want to simulate that accurately, just talk while your's jerking off
> with your sim
>
> Berti e

Perhaps you could drill a hole in your "English As A Third Language"
textbook and hump the snot out of it.

Leave it open so you might learn something in that 5 second interval
betwixt engage-disengage-ment as you peer out the airport hotel window
for a little (OH!) plane spotting.

[EatMe]

On May 22, 3:37 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
> Erik > wrote in news:1356fn0ndo1r1f3
> @corp.supernews.com:
>
> > Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
> >> Ooow 1Teh big flying circle jerk! you must be so happy there..
>
> >> Bertie
>
> > You are one small and unhappy person. Find a hobby.
>
> Got one thanks.
>
> > Cheer yourself up.
>
> I'm happy as a pig in ****, actually.
>
> Life can be better, you know.
>
> Thank some little net nanny? I know.
>
> Berti e

Amazing synchronicity that you're here, on a prop sync thread, making
mosquito noises. Sync up your whine fella.

[C J Campbell[_1_]]

On 2007-05-22 05:53:03 -0700, "BDS" > said:

>>
>
> Slightly out isn't as bad as way out IMO. One of our guys likes to fly with
> that wow-wow-wow-wow going on for hours and it drives me nuts when I'm the
> passenger. It's all I can do to prevent myself from reaching over and
> adjusting the props myself.

Bob Stevens ("There I Was") tells the story of one Bedcheck Charlie
during WW II "who could never sync his props." The irritating noise was
considered even more obnoxious than the bombs he dropped, particularly
since he also never hit anything.

>


--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

[Mxsmanic]

Morgans writes:

> So go there and ask you questions, and leave us alone. It should be clear
> that you are not welcome by most of the people here.

Most people here never post, so that cannot be determined. And whether I'm
welcome or not is irrelevant, as this is not a club.

--
Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_2_]]

EatMe > wrote in
ups.com:

> On May 22, 9:31 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> Mxsmanic > wrote
>> :
>>
>> > I note that the Baron (and presumably other twins) has a prop sync
>> > switch that somehow synchronizes the prop speeds on both engines.
>> > From recordings I've heard of the interior noise of the aircraft,
>> > it does sound as though props that are just slightly out of sync
>> > can produce a very irritating intermittent noise as they move in
>> > and out of phase.
>>
>> If you want to simulate that accurately, just talk while your's
>> jerking off with your sim
>>
>> Berti e
>
> Perhaps you could drill a hole in your "English As A Third Language"
> textbook and hump the snot out of it.
>
> Leave it open so you might learn something in that 5 second interval
> betwixt engage-disengage-ment as you peer out the airport hotel window
> for a little (OH!) plane spotting.
>

Oh dear. someone is trying to **** me off.


Well, could be fun..

Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_2_]]

EatMe > wrote in
ups.com:

> On May 22, 9:28 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> Mxsmanic > wrote
>> :
>>
>> > Dudley Henriques writes:
>>
>> >> We had a Cessna 337 on our line for charter use at one time. It
>> >> had a sync gauge. Strangely enough, whenever I had occasion to fly
>> >> this bird I always ended up syncing the props by ear. You could
>> >> easily feel if one of them was out even by a small amount of RPM.
>>
>> > Logically the smallest differences would also be the most annoying,
>> > since they would result in such slow variations
>>
>> You're an idiot.
>>
>> Bertie
>
>
> And you are the wind beneath our buns. So?

Well, once everyone is on the same page, I'm happy.


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_2_]]

EatMe > wrote in
ups.com:

> On May 22, 3:41 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> Erik > wrote
>> :
>>
>> > Bertie the Bunyip spewed:
>>
>>
>>
>> You realy aren';t too bright, are you?
>>
>> Bertie
>
> Hmmmm...your command of 'English' speaks for itself.
>
> But your sense of humor is enjoyable. Such irony.

I know, it's what makes me special.


Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_2_]]

EatMe > wrote in
oups.com:

> On May 22, 9:30 am, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> buttman > wrote
>> groups.com:
>>
>>
>>
>> > On May 21, 9:50 pm, Mxsmanic > wrote:
>> >> Dudley Henriques writes:
>> >> > We had a Cessna 337 on our line for charter use at one time. It
>> >> > had a sync gauge. Strangely enough, whenever I had occasion to
>> >> > fly this bird I always ended up syncing the props by ear. You
>> >> > could easily feel if one of them was out even by a small amount
>> >> > of RPM.
>>
>> >> Logically the smallest differences would also be the most
>> >> annoying, since they would result in such slow variations. And in
>> >> theory you should be able to eliminate them by adjusting RPM
>> >> manually. But since the Baron has a prop sync switch it occurred
>> >> to me that perhaps the RPM levers aren't precise enough to make it
>> >> easy to sync the props (?).
>>
>> >> I'm still not clear on whether or not this switch actually moves
>> >> the prop levers or what. If it does, it sounds expensive, since
>> >> it needs an actuator or servo in the cockpit or along the linkage.
>> >> If it doesn't, it means that some of the engine control positions
>> >> might not accurately reflect the actual engine settings and that
>> >> engine settings might not obey the control movements if prop sync
>> >> is operating.
>>
>> >> --
>> >> Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.
>>
>> > In the baron I got my multi in, you had to first get the props
>> > sync'd up to within 50 rpm. Then you press the sync button and it
>> > fine tunes the prop governors to get them exact. At least thats how
>> > I remember it, it's been a while. Get a POH, it'll have detailed
>> > descriptions of the system. IIRC Beechcraft POH's are pretty
>> > expensive (over $100)
>>
>> Wow, the modern CFI, waht a mrvel he is.
>>
>> Bertie
>>
>>
>
> Well I'll bet he can spell-check, fjucktard.

Oow! Isn't he clever!

>
> When I get senile dementia, I want to be just like Bertie Butnip!

I know you do. It's written all over you.

Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_2_]]

EatMe > wrote in news:1179882895.535584.11840
@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com:

> On May 22, 3:38 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> Erik > wrote in news:1356fnpjo8uc810
>> @corp.supernews.com:
>>
>> > Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>
>> >> Wow, the modern CFI, waht a mrvel he is.
>>
>> >> Bertie
>>
>> > You are one small and unhappy person. Find a hobby.
>> > Cheer yourself up. Life can be better, you know.
>>
>> oow I have a remora!
>> kewl!
>>
>> Bertie
>
> Don't flatter yourself skippy.

Why would I when I have you to do it for me?

>
> You are the hemorrhoid of Usenet.

See?

>
> But we love you anyway. Without you life has no meaning or rhyme.
> Like notes to a song out of time.


I know, I'm pure poetry.


bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_2_]]

EatMe > wrote in news:1179883402.364740.164620
@p47g2000hsd.googlegroups.com:

> On May 22, 3:37 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> Erik > wrote in news:1356fn0ndo1r1f3
>> @corp.supernews.com:
>>
>> > Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>> >> Ooow 1Teh big flying circle jerk! you must be so happy there..
>>
>> >> Bertie
>>
>> > You are one small and unhappy person. Find a hobby.
>>
>> Got one thanks.
>>
>> > Cheer yourself up.
>>
>> I'm happy as a pig in ****, actually.
>>
>> Life can be better, you know.
>>
>> Thank some little net nanny? I know.
>>
>> Berti e
>
> Amazing synchronicity that you're here, on a prop sync thread, making
> mosquito noises. Sync up your whine fella.


as if i wouldn't

Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_2_]]

EatMe > wrote in
oups.com:

> On May 22, 3:43 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> Erik > wrote
>> :
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Mxsmanic wrote:
>>
>> >> John Theune writes:
>>
>> >>>If you type in prop synch multi-engine planes into the google
>> >>>search window the first hit you will see is this
>> >>>The AVSIM Forums - Viewing topic #736 - Prop sync
>> >>>Out of synch propellers will not be as obvious or as annoying in a
>> >>>simulator as in a real plane. In most aircraft with prop synch,
>> >>>you first manually ...
>> >>>forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=189&topic_id=736
>> &mode
>> >>>=full - 56k - Cached - Similar pages
>>
>> >>>Go there , read it and you will know all you want to know.
>>
>> >> Thanks. I guess people in the AVSIM forums actually answer
>> >> questions rather than just point people to Google.
>>
>> > To be fair, Google is the place to start.
>>
>> > Interesting question, though.
>>
>> BTW, exactly who was it said this **** was a master troll?
>>
>>
Bwawhahwhahhwhahwhahwhahwhhahwhahwhahwhhahwhahwhah hwhahwhahwhahhwhahwh
>> ah hwh!
>>
>> Bertie
>>
>> Bertie
>
> Same folks who claimed you weren't evidently.
>
> "That Bertie! He's such a sly one!"
>


You have no idea.

Bertie

[Bertie the Bunyip[_2_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> Morgans writes:
>
>> So go there and ask you questions, and leave us alone. It should be
>> clear that you are not welcome by most of the people here.
>
> Most people here never post, so that cannot be determined. And
> whether I'm welcome or not is irrelevant, as this is not a club.


You're just the entertainmnet, fjukktard.



bertie

[Mxsmanic]

Nomen Nescio writes:

> What kind of idiot would keep asking questions in a forum where
> those "in the know" keep telling you to **** off.

I don't know; I've never encountered such a place.

--
Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

[§ñühw¤£f]

Bertie the Bunyip > pinched out a steaming pile
>:

> Erik > wrote in news:1356foaa0ds7025
> @corp.supernews.com:
>
> >
> >
> > Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> You're an idiot.
> >>
> >> Bertie
> >
> > You are one small and unhappy person. Find a hobby.
> > Cheer yourself up. Life can be better, you know.
> >
>
> Bwawhahhwhahwhahwhahhwhahwhahwhahhwhahw!
>
>
> Bertie
>
He coulda tolja to get a pilots licence...

[Maxwell]

"Mxsmanic" > wrote in message
...
> Nomen Nescio writes:
>
>> What kind of idiot would keep asking questions in a forum where
>> those "in the know" keep telling you to **** off.
>
> I don't know; I've never encountered such a place.
>

Ahhhh, the serenity of mental illness.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_2_]]

Mxsmanic > wrote in
:

> Nomen Nescio writes:
>
>> What kind of idiot would keep asking questions in a forum where
>> those "in the know" keep telling you to **** off.
>
> I don't know; I've never encountered such a place.


Doo doo dod ood



Bertie

[§ñühw¤£f]

Bertie the Bunyip > pinched out a steaming pile
>:

>§ñühw¤£f > wrote in news:46544d77$0$97220
:
>
>> Bertie the Bunyip > pinched out a steaming pile
>> >:
>>
>>> Erik > wrote in news:1356foaa0ds7025
>>> @corp.supernews.com:
>>>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >> You're an idiot.
>>> >>
>>> >> Bertie
>>> >
>>> > You are one small and unhappy person. Find a hobby.
>>> > Cheer yourself up. Life can be better, you know.
>>> >
>>>
>>> Bwawhahhwhahwhahwhahhwhahwhahwhahhwhahw!
>>>
>>>
>>> Bertie
>>>
>> He coulda tolja to get a pilots licence...
>>
>
>He probably wil.
>
>
>bertie
>
Be sure and learn how to land. Otherwise the TSA and FBI will come and
talk to you.

[Bertie the Bunyip[_2_]]

EatMe > wrote in
oups.com:

> On May 22, 3:43 pm, Bertie the Bunyip > wrote:
>> Erik > wrote
>> :
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Mxsmanic wrote:
>>
>> >> John Theune writes:
>>
>> >>>If you type in prop synch multi-engine planes into the google
>> >>>search window the first hit you will see is this
>> >>>The AVSIM Forums - Viewing topic #736 - Prop sync
>> >>>Out of synch propellers will not be as obvious or as annoying in a
>> >>>simulator as in a real plane. In most aircraft with prop synch,
>> >>>you first manually ...
>> >>>forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=189&topic_id=736
>> &mode
>> >>>=full - 56k - Cached - Similar pages
>>
>> >>>Go there , read it and you will know all you want to know.
>>
>> >> Thanks. I guess people in the AVSIM forums actually answer
>> >> questions rather than just point people to Google.
>>
>> > To be fair, Google is the place to start.
>>
>> > Interesting question, though.
>>
>> BTW, exactly who was it said this **** was a master troll?
>>
>>
Bwawhahwhahhwhahwhahwhahwhhahwhahwhahwhhahwhahwhah hwhahwhahwhahhwhahwh
>> ah hwh!
>>
>> Bertie
>>
>> Bertie
>
> Same folks who claimed you weren't evidently.
>
> "That Bertie! He's such a sly one!"
>

Don't tell me you're giving up already!

Wuss.


Bertie