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ian maclure
July 28th 03, 04:07 PM
Strictly speaking this is, I suppose, off topic, but they also serve who
only stand and deliver one liners.

Bob Hope died last night.
He had a good run and could fairly be said to have served his
country long and well.

IBM

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July 28th 03, 04:52 PM
> "ian maclure" > wrote:

>Strictly speaking this is, I suppose, off topic, but they also serve who
>only stand and deliver one liners.

Strictly *on-topic.* This is another reason I, for one, am tired of
the likes of Art Kramer's constant namecalling and berating anyone on
RAM who wasn't a "combatant." Granted, I have no clue what it's like
to be shot at, but he has no clue what it's like to lay awake at night
listening to your mother weep while the father of her three boys and
newborn girl is flying combat missions over Vietnam in his A-1E.

I was only in the first grade at the time, but I distinctly remember
how Bob Hope's (and Ann Margaret) USO tours brought us and
many others who "weren't there" desperately needed relief from the
near-constant fear and dread that your loved one had been shot
down and killed, or taken prisoner and was being brutally tortured.

>Bob Hope died last night.
>He had a good run and could fairly be said to have served his
>country long and well.

Amen.

-Mike (subject header sez it all) Marron

ArtKramr
July 28th 03, 05:21 PM
>Subject: Thanks For The Memories
>From: "ian maclure"
>Date: 7/28/03 8:07 AM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: >
>
>Strictly speaking this is, I suppose, off topic, but they also serve who
> only stand and deliver one liners.
>
> Bob Hope died last night.
> He had a good run and could fairly be said to have served his
> country long and well.
>

Bob Hope is listed in the Guiness book of World Records as the most decorated
person in history.

Arthur Kramer
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Dudley Henriques
July 28th 03, 05:36 PM
> wrote in message
...
> > "ian maclure" > wrote:
>
> >Strictly speaking this is, I suppose, off topic, but they also serve who
> >only stand and deliver one liners.
>
> Strictly *on-topic.* This is another reason I, for one, am tired of
> the likes of Art Kramer's constant namecalling and berating anyone on
> RAM who wasn't a "combatant." Granted, I have no clue what it's like
> to be shot at, but he has no clue what it's like to lay awake at night
> listening to your mother weep while the father of her three boys and
> newborn girl is flying combat missions over Vietnam in his A-1E.
>
> I was only in the first grade at the time, but I distinctly remember
> how Bob Hope's (and Ann Margaret) USO tours brought us and
> many others who "weren't there" desperately needed relief from the
> near-constant fear and dread that your loved one had been shot
> down and killed, or taken prisoner and was being brutally tortured.
>
> >Bob Hope died last night.
> >He had a good run and could fairly be said to have served his
> >country long and well.
>
> Amen.
>
> -Mike (subject header sez it all) Marron

Bob Hope was one the finest, most sincere people I ever ran across in all my
years in aviation. He was the only non pilot EVER to be voted into the
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship by a unanimous vote. Our membership
was stock full of never ending "Bob" stories from every combat zone you
could imagine. I personally have never heard anything even coming close to
something other then praise and respect for him personally, and what he did
with our troops all over the world. Nothing was ever too much trouble for
him. There was no place he wouldn't go. No danger he was afraid to face in
getting much needed entertainment to our fighting people. One thing I always
liked about Bob Hope, and the thing that made him stand out with us was the
fact that where ever his shows took him in the combat areas, there was no
end of high ranking brass available for him to party down with. All the
Generals and Admirals loved to be seen with him. Bob always paid his
respects to the brass, shook hands and politely allowed the photos they all
wanted taken with him, then he would excuse himself somehow and go mingle
with the guys he came to entertain....the grunts. He could usually be found
in the field hospital, where he and the girls worked their magic the best.
He brought smiles where smiles had been forgotten, and he brought laughs to
those who thought they had forgotten how to laugh.
There really aren't words to describe the sheer value this man brought to
those lives he touched in all those combat zones.
Of all the people I have known in my life, the two who stand out above the
rest both stand out not necessarily for their vocational
accomplishments,which were considerable to say the least.....but for their
humanity. Douglas Bader and Bob Hope will always be remembered where ever
people in the know gather and talk about those whose lives on this earth
really made a difference.
Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
Commercial Pilot/CFI
Retired

ArtKramr
July 28th 03, 05:45 PM
>Subject: Re: Thanks For The Memories
>From: "Dudley Henriques"
>Date: 7/28/03 9:36 AM Pacific

>Strictly *on-topic.* This is another reason I, for one, am tired of
>> the likes of Art Kramer's constant namecalling and berating anyone on
>> RAM who wasn't a "combatant

NO. I only have argument with those non combatants who insist on telling
combatants "what it was really like".Other wise I have no argument with any
non-combatant.

Arthur Kramer
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Dudley Henriques
July 28th 03, 06:17 PM
"ArtKramr" > wrote in message
...
> >Subject: Re: Thanks For The Memories
> >From: "Dudley Henriques"
> >Date: 7/28/03 9:36 AM Pacific
>
> >Strictly *on-topic.* This is another reason I, for one, am tired of
> >> the likes of Art Kramer's constant namecalling and berating anyone on
> >> RAM who wasn't a "combatant
>
> NO. I only have argument with those non combatants who insist on telling
> combatants "what it was really like".Other wise I have no argument with
any
> non-combatant.
>
> Arthur Kramer
> Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
> http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Please read your threads more carefully before you underpost. This quote has
absolutely nothing to do with me. I didn't say it. I didn't respond to it. I
have absolutely no idea why you would attribute this to me and underpost me
with a response concerning this quote.
The quote came from Mike Marron. Please get this straight in the future.
Usenet is nuts enough without you putting words in my mouth.
Thank you.
Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
Commercial Pilot/CFI
Retired
>

B2431
July 28th 03, 09:13 PM
>
>Strictly speaking this is, I suppose, off topic, but they also serve who
> only stand and deliver one liners.
>
> Bob Hope died last night.
> He had a good run and could fairly be said to have served his
> country long and well.
>
> IBM
>

I never got to see any of his USO tours in person and only got to shake his
hand 25 years ago, but I know what he did for me and those who served. He was
the only civilian ever made a honourary veteran. What he actually did for us
can never be put into words.

I will miss him.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

ian maclure
July 28th 03, 09:19 PM
In article >, "B2431"
> wrote:

[snip]

> I never got to see any of his USO tours in person and only got to shake
> his hand 25 years ago, but I know what he did for me and those who
> served. He was the only civilian ever made a honourary veteran. What he
> actually did for us can never be put into words.

Anybody know if he had a favorite charity?
I for one would be glad to donate to it.
Perhaps with the attribution "rec.aviation.military"

IBM

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Gooneybird
July 28th 03, 10:01 PM
"B2431" > wrote in message
...
> >
> >Strictly speaking this is, I suppose, off topic, but they also serve who
> > only stand and deliver one liners.
> >
> > Bob Hope died last night.
> > He had a good run and could fairly be said to have served his
> > country long and well.
> >
> > IBM
> >
>
> I never got to see any of his USO tours in person and only got to shake his
> hand 25 years ago, but I know what he did for me and those who served. He was
> the only civilian ever made a honourary veteran. What he actually did for us
> can never be put into words.
>
> I will miss him.
>
> Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

So will the rest of us who remember his contributions. RIP.

George Z.

Brian
July 29th 03, 12:11 AM
"ian maclure" > wrote in message
...
> Anybody know if he had a favorite charity?
> I for one would be glad to donate to it.
> Perhaps with the attribution "rec.aviation.military"

I would assume the USO would be his favorite charity. It's the one charity I
don't mind giving some cash too.

B2431
July 29th 03, 01:54 AM
>> Anybody know if he had a favorite charity?
>> I for one would be glad to donate to it.
>> Perhaps with the attribution "rec.aviation.military"
>
>I would assume the USO would be his favorite charity. It's the one charity I
>don't mind giving some cash too.
>
>
There is always Bobe Hope Village in Florida, I suppose.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

David Windhorst
July 29th 03, 03:30 AM
B2431 wrote:

> >> Anybody know if he had a favorite charity?
> >> I for one would be glad to donate to it.
> >> Perhaps with the attribution "rec.aviation.military"
> >
> >I would assume the USO would be his favorite charity. It's the one charity I
> >don't mind giving some cash too.
> >
> >
> There is always Bobe Hope Village in Florida, I suppose.
>
> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

According to the local news in L.A., the family has requested that, in lieu of
flowers, donations be sent to The Bob and Dolores Hope Charitable Foundation.
Unfortunately, although several references to said charity can be found online,
I haven't yet been able to find a URL or physical address or phone number for
them.

Jim Atkins
July 29th 03, 04:19 AM
Bob Hope's giving to charity is almost unfathomable in money terms. He
donated all the land for Eisenhower Medical Center (home of the Betty Ford
Center) in Rancho Mirage, about 80 acres of prime real estate in a very high
tone resort community. Houses near the hospital start at about $500K each.
That's a lot of bucks, and it's only one of many.

--
Jim Atkins
Twentynine Palms CA USA

"Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend.
Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read."
- Groucho Marx

July 29th 03, 05:22 AM
On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 02:30:37 GMT, David Windhorst
> wrote:

>According to the local news in L.A., the family has requested that, in lieu of
>flowers, donations be sent to The Bob and Dolores Hope Charitable Foundation.
>Unfortunately, although several references to said charity can be found online,
>I haven't yet been able to find a URL or physical address or phone number for
>them.

"In lieu of flowers, please consider masses for Bob Hope or donations
to the Bob and Dolores Hope Charitable Foundation, Toluca Lake,
California 91602."

Darrell A. Larose
July 30th 03, 05:11 PM
"ian maclure" ) writes:
> Strictly speaking this is, I suppose, off topic, but they also serve who
> only stand and deliver one liners.
>
> Bob Hope died last night.
> He had a good run and could fairly be said to have served his
> country long and well.
>
> IBM
>
I watched the A&E Biography of Bob Hope for the second time on Monday. I
was touched by beneath the act, was a genuine warm caring human being. I
saw him in the documentary in the MASH units and hospital one on one with
wounded GI's. He never turned away, which to me showed his depth of
compassion. Mickey Rooney said it well, Bob gave Hope. I would hope that
the USAF "Spirit of Bob Hope" will overfly the National Memorial, and The
USMC choir should sing "Thanks for the Memories"

I am not an American, I am a Canadian but I can still mourn for the loss
of a great man who chose to be an american.

Thanks for the memory
Of things I can't forget
Journeys on a jet
Our wond'rous week in Martinique
And Vegas and roulette
How lucky I was

And thanks for the memory
Of summers by the sea
Dawn in Waikiki
We had a pad in London
But we didn't stop for tea
How cozy it was

Now since our breakup I wake up
Alone on a gray morning-after
I long for the sound of your laughter
And then I see the laugh's on me

But thanks for the memory
Of every touch a thrill
I've been through the mill
I've lived a lot and learned a lot
You loved me not and still
I miss you so much

Thanks for the memory
Of how we used to jog
Even in a fog
That barbecue in Malibu
Away from all the smog
How rainy it was

Thanks for the memory
Of letters I destroyed
Books that we enjoyed
Tonight the way things look
I need a book by Sigmund Freud
How brainy he was

Gone are those evenings on Broadway
Together we'd go to a great show
But now I begin with the Late Show
And wish that you
Were watching, too

I know it's a fallacy
That grown men never cry
Baby, that's a lie
We had our bed of roses
But forgot that roses die
And thank you so much

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