L-39 from DE down in Maryland

[Bill Jameson]

Training Jet Crashes In Maryland

Authorities Say Military Plane Is Privately Owned

POSTED: 2:59 p.m. EDT August 24, 2003
UPDATED: 8:37 p.m. EDT August 24, 2003

FOREST HILL, Md. -- A privately owned military jet crashed in a yard
between two houses on Sunday, killing the pilot, a federal official said.
No one on the ground was reported hurt.

The Czechoslovakian-made L-39 training jet took off from Martin State
Airport and crashed about five miles to the north in Forest Hill, said Jim
Peters of the Federal Aviation Administration.

The jet clipped one of the houses, crushing part of its roof and one
wall, fire department spokesman Rich Gardiner said.

The pilot's name had not been released Sunday afternoon. The jet was
registered to Bond Jet, LLC, of Wilmington, Del., Peters said.

The aircraft is a favorite of North American jet enthusiasts, many of
whom travel to Eastern Europe to purchase them. Peters said pilots have to
be trained and rated in the aircraft before they can fly them, and a
weapons system must be removed.

Peter Fellman and his wife, Louanne, rent the house that was damaged.
Relatives and friends helped them pack up some belongings Sunday. The
couple was away at the time of the crash and learned of it from a neighbor.

"We came right home, not knowing if it was our home," Peter Fellman said.
"I couldn't believe it."

Gardiner said the debris field in the yard was about 50 by 25 feet.

"We had a lot of fire," he said. "We had a lot of aviation fuel."

Harford County spokeswoman Merrie Street quoted witnesses as saying the
jet exploded when it hit the ground, producing a massive plume of black
smoke.

Peters said it was too early to tell what led to the crash. The National
Transportation Safety Board planned to investigate.

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>Bill Jameson > wrote:

>The aircraft is a favorite of North American jet enthusiasts, many of
>whom travel to Eastern Europe to purchase them. Peters said pilots have to
>be trained and rated in the aircraft before they can fly them, and a
>weapons system must be removed.

Unfortunately for this particular L-39 jock, the ejection seats had to
be removed (or permanently de-activated) too.

-Mike Marron

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>"jack" > wrote:
>>Bill Jameson > wrote:

>>The Czechoslovakian-made L-39 training jet took off from Martin
>>State Airport and crashed about five miles to the north in Forest
>>Hill, said Jim Peters of the Federal Aviation Administration.

>What does this airplane look like?

Envision a TA-4B fuselage with the T-33's straight wing/tip tanks.

>Does anyone have a link to a photo and specs? TIA.

http://www.l39jet.com/pictures.html

-Mike Marron

[Leadfoot]

> wrote in message
...
> >Bill Jameson > wrote:
>
> >The aircraft is a favorite of North American jet enthusiasts, many of
> >whom travel to Eastern Europe to purchase them. Peters said pilots have
to
> >be trained and rated in the aircraft before they can fly them, and a
> >weapons system must be removed.
>
> Unfortunately for this particular L-39 jock, the ejection seats had to
> be removed (or permanently de-activated) too.

Not according to this

http://www.l39.com/Ejection%20seats.htm


>
> -Mike Marron
>

[john williamson]

Re: L-39 from DE down in Maryland

Group: rec.aviation.military Date: Mon, Aug 25, 2003, 5:20pm (EDT+6)
From: (jack)
Bill Jameson > wrote: <snip>
=A0=A0=A0=A0The Czechoslovakian-made L-39 training jet took off from
Martin State Airport and crashed about five miles to the north in Forest
Hill, said Jim Peters of the Federal Aviation Administration.
What does this airplane look like? Does anyone have a link to a photo
and specs? TIA.
J.
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John wrote:

L39 ALBRATROS
Nation: Czechoslovakia-------
Manufacturer: Areo ------------
Type: trainer, year 1968------
Engine: Walter Titan tubojet, 3,792 lb thrust----
wingspan 31'1", length 40' 5", height 15'5", weight 11,618 lbs
(loaded),max speed 435 mph at sea level, ceiling 37,730 ft, range 994
miles, armament 2425 lb of bombs, crew 2

I will send you a picture.

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>"Leadfoot" > wrote:
> wrote:

>>Unfortunately for this particular L-39 jock, the ejection seats had to
>>be removed (or permanently de-activated) too.

>Not according to this

>http://www.l39.com/Ejection%20seats.htm

Did the Maryland L-39 have functioning ejectioning seats? Most L-39's
I've seen up close and personal in Marathon and Orlando did not.

-Mike Marron

[Paul Hirose]

The Baltimore Sun says the dead pilot may be real estate developer J.
Robert Martin. Officials say the plane crashed about 15 minutes after
taking off from Martin State Airport. The manager of a gym about half
a mile from the crash site said, "we heard this extremely loud noise,
a loud roar directly over our roof," shortly before the crash.

http://www.sunspot.net/news/local/harford/bal-te.md.plane25aug25,0,2815986.story?coll=bal-local-headlines


Which is correct, L39 or L-39? I looked around on the Web and saw that
both forms are common.

--

Paul Hirose >

[Ditch]

>Did the Maryland L-39 have functioning ejectioning seats? Most L-39's
>I've seen up close and personal in Marathon and Orlando did not.
>

If you are smart, you would have the hot seats.
I know of one guy in Florida who had the ejection seats removed and put in
leather seats because the "ejection seats are too uncomfortable". What a
dumbass. He won't be thinking that when his engine flames out and he has no
where to go.
Military airplanes are not designed for crashing.


-John
*You are nothing until you have flown a Douglas, Lockheed, Grumman or North
American*

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(Ditch) wrote:
>>Mike Marron wrote:

>>Did the Maryland L-39 have functioning ejectioning seats? Most L-39's
>>I've seen up close and personal in Marathon and Orlando did not.

>If you are smart, you would have the hot seats.

No argument there. But for whatever reason few (if any) L-39's that
I've seen have them.

>I know of one guy in Florida who had the ejection seats removed and put in
>leather seats because the "ejection seats are too uncomfortable". What a
>dumbass. He won't be thinking that when his engine flames out and he has no
>where to go.

Apparently there was also one guy in Maryland who had the ejection
seats removed.

>Military airplanes are not designed for crashing.

Right. Kinda' gives ya' a warm fuzzy feeling all over knowing that
civilian airplanes ARE designed for crashing, huh?

>-John
>*You are nothing until you have flown a Douglas, Lockheed, Grumman or North
>American*

Friends don't let friends fly metal airplanes.

-Mike Marron

[Joey Bishop]

The L-39 is an excellent aircraft. Easy to maintain, and you must maintain
it often. Most civilians can't afford, or maintain, the ejection seats, and tend
to fly without them. Unlike a Cessna, FOD will usually ruin your
day. Many Cessna pilots with more money than experience have been
flying these things into the ground for years. Suffice to say, if you are a
sloppy person, then the first stick deflection to the left, will usually be your
last. It always works fine on the ground, but the people who buy these
rigs are in it for the performance, and I've seen more than one pilot lose
all his change in a snap roll after take-off check complete. It ain't a
pretty site to see them upside down rocking the wings and trying to
recover all the debris. I even watched one guy try to extract a box of
donuts from behind his left rudder peddle. He finally had to take his
boot off to grab it... Everyone has a right to kill themselves, and I'm
glad to hear he didn't kill anyone else.

[Ditch]

>
>No argument there. But for whatever reason few (if any) L-39's that
>I've seen have them.

Pretty Amazing, huh?

>Right. Kinda' gives ya' a warm fuzzy feeling all over knowing that
>civilian airplanes ARE designed for crashing, huh?

Oh yea...try flying an ag-plane with a roll bar! Always good. :)

>
>Friends don't let friends fly metal airplanes.
>

:)






-John
*You are nothing until you have flown a Douglas, Lockheed, Grumman or North
American*

[jack]

wrote:
:: "jack" > wrote:
::: Bill Jameson > wrote:
:
::: The Czechoslovakian-made L-39 training jet took off from Martin
::: State Airport and crashed about five miles to the north in Forest
::: Hill, said Jim Peters of the Federal Aviation Administration.
:
:: What does this airplane look like?
:
: Envision a TA-4B fuselage with the T-33's straight wing/tip tanks.
:
:: Does anyone have a link to a photo and specs? TIA.
:
: http://www.l39jet.com/pictures.html
:

Thanks for the link. Is it just me, or is this aircraft really ugly?

J.

[jack]

john williamson > wrote:
: Re: L-39 from DE down in Maryland

: From: (jack)
: What does this airplane look like? Does anyone have a link to a photo
: and specs? TIA.
: J.

: John wrote:

: L39 ALBRATROS
: Nation: Czechoslovakia-------
: Manufacturer: Areo ------------
: Type: trainer, year 1968------
: Engine: Walter Titan tubojet, 3,792 lb thrust----
: wingspan 31'1", length 40' 5", height 15'5", weight 11,618 lbs
: (loaded),max speed 435 mph at sea level, ceiling 37,730 ft, range 994
: miles, armament 2425 lb of bombs, crew 2

: I will send you a picture.

Thanks for the data. I appreciate the thought, but my email addy is a
fake (has been for years). You know, the spammers?

J.


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[Bill Jameson]

jack wrote:
....
> Thanks for the link. Is it just me, or is this aircraft really ugly?

I've seen them any number of times at airshows around Philadelphia. To me,
I never thought they were ugly.

Bill Jameson

[Joey Bishop]

"jack" > wrote
>
> Thanks for the link. Is it just me, or is this aircraft really ugly?

It looks just fine, and is functional, rather than just pretty. The
Soviets weren't interested in getting erections.

[TJ]

"Joey Bishop" > wrote in message
.. .
> "jack" > wrote
> >
> > Thanks for the link. Is it just me, or is this aircraft really ugly?
>
> It looks just fine, and is functional, rather than just pretty. The
> Soviets weren't interested in getting erections.
>
>
>

The aircraft is Czech, not Soviet.

TJ

[Joey Bishop]

"TJ" > wrote
> "Joey Bishop" > wrote
> > "jack" > wrote
> > >
> > > Thanks for the link. Is it just me, or is this aircraft really ugly?
> >
> > It looks just fine, and is functional, rather than just pretty. The
> > Soviets weren't interested in getting erections.
>
> The aircraft is Czech, not Soviet.

Warsaw Pact/Soviet Red Communist--Good Stuff