History Channel Dogfights - Kamikazes (Season 2 Premiere)

[David E. Powell]

Really well done.... worth checking out. From the look at the battle
of the USS Laffey (And US air cover of the day, tactics, the ship
herself, etc.) to the stuff on the Okha program to the look at a
German ramming squadron in the last days of the war in Europe, really
well done stuff.

[Walt[_3_]]

On Jul 16, 4:28?pm, "David E. Powell" >
wrote:
> Really well done.... worth checking out. From the look at the battle
> of the USS Laffey (And US air cover of the day, tactics, the ship
> herself, etc.) to the stuff on the Okha program to the look at a
> German ramming squadron in the last days of the war in Europe, really
> well done stuff.

The only thing that I take issue with is that they limit themselves to
incidents where they can interview the particpants. When they did the
segment on Jay Zeamer, they used an audio interview done sometime in
the past. But they dredged up the co-pilot. It would seem to
preclude them from doing segments say, on Bob Johnson, Richard Bong,
Adolf Galland, Douglas Bader, and on and on and on......

But the show generally has been very good.

Walt

[Gordon[_2_]]

On Jul 16, 2:49 pm, Walt > wrote:
> On Jul 16, 4:28?pm, "David E. Powell" >
> wrote:
>
> > Really well done.... worth checking out. From the look at the battle
> > of the USS Laffey (And US air cover of the day, tactics, the ship
> > herself, etc.) to the stuff on the Okha program to the look at a
> > German ramming squadron in the last days of the war in Europe, really
> > well done stuff.
>
> The only thing that I take issue with is that they limit themselves to
> incidents where they can interview the particpants. When they did the
> segment on Jay Zeamer, they used an audio interview done sometime in
> the past. But they dredged up the co-pilot. It would seem to
> preclude them from doing segments say, on Bob Johnson, Richard Bong,
> Adolf Galland, Douglas Bader, and on and on and on......
>
> But the show generally has been very good.
>
> Walt

I think the CGI is actually improving as the series goes along, too.
I just wish they wouldn't repeat the same CGI footage 6-7 times in the
same episode.

I really enjoy the show, and its great to see some old friends
participating. The good Doctor (Fritz M.) was one of the participants
of our 2000 reunion for Kommando Welter in Schliessheim. He looked
great on the show!

"Do you mind if I come? My old unit doesn't have reunions - we just
catch a cab."

v/r
Gordon

[Jonathan]

"David E. Powell" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Really well done.... worth checking out. From the look at the battle
> of the USS Laffey (And US air cover of the day, tactics, the ship
> herself, etc.) to the stuff on the Okha program to the look at a
> German ramming squadron in the last days of the war in Europe, really
> well done stuff.
>

I was stunned the Laffey took all those hits and kept floating.
What was it, four kamikazi and three bomb hits?
And I didn't know they already had radar guided 5 inch
guns

[tomcervo]

On Jul 16, 5:49?pm, Walt > wrote:
> The only thing that I take issue with is that they limit themselves to
> incidents where they can interview the particpants. When they did the
> segment on Jay Zeamer, they used an audio interview done sometime in
> the past. But they dredged up the co-pilot. It would seem to
> preclude them from doing segments say, on Bob Johnson, Richard Bong,
> Adolf Galland, Douglas Bader, and on and on and on......

True, and it's US-centric, which excludes a lot of good stories--some
you've named. The first ever ep feature one of Rickenbacker's fights,
so they will go outside that limit.

[Ray O'Hara[_2_]]

"Walt" > wrote in message
ps.com...
> On Jul 16, 4:28?pm, "David E. Powell" >
> wrote:
> > Really well done.... worth checking out. From the look at the battle
> > of the USS Laffey (And US air cover of the day, tactics, the ship
> > herself, etc.) to the stuff on the Okha program to the look at a
> > German ramming squadron in the last days of the war in Europe, really
> > well done stuff.
>
> The only thing that I take issue with is that they limit themselves to
> incidents where they can interview the particpants. When they did the
> segment on Jay Zeamer, they used an audio interview done sometime in
> the past. But they dredged up the co-pilot. It would seem to
> preclude them from doing segments say, on Bob Johnson, Richard Bong,
> Adolf Galland, Douglas Bader, and on and on and on......
>
> But the show generally has been very good.
>
> Walt
>

i don't like how they can mislead with facts. they'll say how many RPM the
guns can fire but then never say how much ammo the plane carried.
stuff like that. now with CGI they are getting away from the 'films is
films' but recently a military channel show on the B-17 at various times
showed B-24s, B-25s while extolling the fortress and then while talking
about the tail-gun of the 17 had a close up of a lancaster 4-gun rear
turret.

[Gordon[_2_]]

On Jul 16, 11:58 pm, "Ray O'Hara" > wrote:
> "Walt" > wrote in message
>
> ps.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 16, 4:28?pm, "David E. Powell" >
> > wrote:
> > > Really well done.... worth checking out. From the look at the battle
> > > of the USS Laffey (And US air cover of the day, tactics, the ship
> > > herself, etc.) to the stuff on the Okha program to the look at a
> > > German ramming squadron in the last days of the war in Europe, really
> > > well done stuff.
>
> > The only thing that I take issue with is that they limit themselves to
> > incidents where they can interview the particpants. When they did the
> > segment on Jay Zeamer, they used an audio interview done sometime in
> > the past. But they dredged up the co-pilot. It would seem to
> > preclude them from doing segments say, on Bob Johnson, Richard Bong,
> > Adolf Galland, Douglas Bader, and on and on and on......
>
> > But the show generally has been very good.
>
> > Walt
>
> i don't like how they can mislead with facts. they'll say how many RPM the
> guns can fire but then never say how much ammo the plane carried.
> stuff like that. now with CGI they are getting away from the 'films is
> films' but recently a military channel show on the B-17 at various times
> showed B-24s, B-25s while extolling the fortress and then while talking
> about the tail-gun of the 17 had a close up of a lancaster 4-gun rear
> turret.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I'm surprised that, while talking about how much punishment the B-17
could take, they didn't show that guy crashing against the round-down
on the carrier.

[Bob McKellar[_2_]]

"Jonathan" > wrote in message
.. .
>
> "David E. Powell" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>> Really well done.... worth checking out. From the look at the battle
>> of the USS Laffey (And US air cover of the day, tactics, the ship
>> herself, etc.) to the stuff on the Okha program to the look at a
>> German ramming squadron in the last days of the war in Europe, really
>> well done stuff.
>>
>
> I was stunned the Laffey took all those hits and kept floating.
> What was it, four kamikazi and three bomb hits?
> And I didn't know they already had radar guided 5 inch
> guns
>
Even better, she's STILL floating!

http://www.patriotspoint.org/exhibits/fleet/laffey.html

It's a little spooky to stand on the same deck where all that happened.

Bob McKellar

[Mike Piacente]

Yeah, I saw the same show on the Military Channel on the B-17.

Advice to everyone: DON'T take any of these shows on weapons or battles as
fact. History Channel ran a series called 'Hell's Battlefields' and one
episode I saw was on the Battle of Kursk and it was loaded with errors.
Since it was on about 3 years ago, I've forgotten most of the errors but two
I still remember: while talking about the T-34/76, the film was showing the
T-34/85 which didn't become operational until about 9-10 months AFTER Kursk;
and the narration said Hitler called off the Zitadelle because the Allies
had invaded Sicily on July 10, 1944. NOTICE the date -- ONE YEAR and one
day AFTER the actual invasion. I sent the History Channel an e-mail and
pointed out all the errors and, surprisingly, the show's producer called me.
I told him about the T-34 error and he said "well, most people wouldn't
notice things like that," so I said "If you ran a program about automobiles
and your narration was talking about Cadillacs and the film showed Pintos,
would that be OK?" He said 'No.' Then I told him about the invasion of
Sicily date being off by a year and a day and he wanted to know how I could
possibly know that date. I told him I've been a military historian for 40
years and read him excerpts from three books about the invasion date and
gave him the titles, authors, and publication dates and asked if he'd like
more sources. He declined and said that particular error would be fixed. I
watched the show again the next two times it was on and the error was still
in there.

The media doesn't care about accuracy, they're there to entertain.



"Ray O'Hara" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Walt" > wrote in message
> ps.com...
>> On Jul 16, 4:28?pm, "David E. Powell" >
>> wrote:
>> > Really well done.... worth checking out. From the look at the battle
>> > of the USS Laffey (And US air cover of the day, tactics, the ship
>> > herself, etc.) to the stuff on the Okha program to the look at a
>> > German ramming squadron in the last days of the war in Europe, really
>> > well done stuff.
>>
>> The only thing that I take issue with is that they limit themselves to
>> incidents where they can interview the particpants. When they did the
>> segment on Jay Zeamer, they used an audio interview done sometime in
>> the past. But they dredged up the co-pilot. It would seem to
>> preclude them from doing segments say, on Bob Johnson, Richard Bong,
>> Adolf Galland, Douglas Bader, and on and on and on......
>>
>> But the show generally has been very good.
>>
>> Walt
>>
>
> i don't like how they can mislead with facts. they'll say how many RPM the
> guns can fire but then never say how much ammo the plane carried.
> stuff like that. now with CGI they are getting away from the 'films is
> films' but recently a military channel show on the B-17 at various times
> showed B-24s, B-25s while extolling the fortress and then while talking
> about the tail-gun of the 17 had a close up of a lancaster 4-gun rear
> turret.
>
>

[Walt[_3_]]

On Jul 16, 11:08?pm, "Jonathan" > wrote:
> "David E. Powell" > wrote in ooglegroups.com...
>
> > Really well done.... worth checking out. From the look at the battle
> > of the USS Laffey (And US air cover of the day, tactics, the ship
> > herself, etc.) to the stuff on the Okha program to the look at a
> > German ramming squadron in the last days of the war in Europe, really
> > well done stuff.
>
> I was stunned the Laffey took all those hits and kept floating.
> What was it, four kamikazi and three bomb hits?
> And I didn't know they already had radar guided 5 inch
> guns'

Seems like Hornet had radar guided guns in 1942.

Walt

[Walt[_3_]]

On Jul 17, 2:58?am, "Ray O'Hara" > wrote:
> "Walt" > wrote in message
>
> ps.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 16, 4:28?pm, "David E. Powell" >
> > wrote:
> > > Really well done.... worth checking out. From the look at the battle
> > > of the USS Laffey (And US air cover of the day, tactics, the ship
> > > herself, etc.) to the stuff on the Okha program to the look at a
> > > German ramming squadron in the last days of the war in Europe, really
> > > well done stuff.
>
> > The only thing that I take issue with is that they limit themselves to
> > incidents where they can interview the particpants. When they did the
> > segment on Jay Zeamer, they used an audio interview done sometime in
> > the past. But they dredged up the co-pilot. It would seem to
> > preclude them from doing segments say, on Bob Johnson, Richard Bong,
> > Adolf Galland, Douglas Bader, and on and on and on......
>
> > But the show generally has been very good.
>
> > Walt
>
> i don't like how they can mislead with facts. they'll say how many RPM the
> guns can fire but then never say how much ammo the plane carried.
> stuff like that. now with CGI they are getting away from the 'films is
> films' but recently a military channel show on the B-17 at various times
> showed B-24s, B-25s while extolling the fortress and then while talking
> about the tail-gun of the 17 had a close up of a lancaster 4-gun rear
> turret.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Film researchers are always challenged by that. Saw some HC show the
other day that changed out B-17's and B-29's over and over.

Walt

[Walt[_3_]]

On Jul 17, 4:42?am, Gordon > wrote:
> On Jul 16, 11:58 pm, "Ray O'Hara" > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Walt" > wrote in message
>
> ps.com...
>
> > > On Jul 16, 4:28?pm, "David E. Powell" >
> > > wrote:
> > > > Really well done.... worth checking out. From the look at the battle
> > > > of the USS Laffey (And US air cover of the day, tactics, the ship
> > > > herself, etc.) to the stuff on the Okha program to the look at a
> > > > German ramming squadron in the last days of the war in Europe, really
> > > > well done stuff.
>
> > > The only thing that I take issue with is that they limit themselves to
> > > incidents where they can interview the particpants. When they did the
> > > segment on Jay Zeamer, they used an audio interview done sometime in
> > > the past. But they dredged up the co-pilot. It would seem to
> > > preclude them from doing segments say, on Bob Johnson, Richard Bong,
> > > Adolf Galland, Douglas Bader, and on and on and on......
>
> > > But the show generally has been very good.
>
> > > Walt
>
> > i don't like how they can mislead with facts. they'll say how many RPM the
> > guns can fire but then never say how much ammo the plane carried.
> > stuff like that. now with CGI they are getting away from the 'films is
> > films' but recently a military channel show on the B-17 at various times
> > showed B-24s, B-25s while extolling the fortress and then while talking
> > about the tail-gun of the 17 had a close up of a lancaster 4-gun rear
> > turret.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> I'm surprised that, while talking about how much punishment the B-17
> could take, they didn't show that guy crashing against the round-down
> on the carrier.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


A B-17?

Walt

[Andrew Robert Breen]

In article om>,
Walt > wrote:
>On Jul 16, 11:08?pm, "Jonathan" > wrote:
>> "David E. Powell" > wrote in
ooglegroups.com...
>>
>> > Really well done.... worth checking out. From the look at the battle
>> > of the USS Laffey (And US air cover of the day, tactics, the ship
>> > herself, etc.) to the stuff on the Okha program to the look at a
>> > German ramming squadron in the last days of the war in Europe, really
>> > well done stuff.
>>
>> I was stunned the Laffey took all those hits and kept floating.
>> What was it, four kamikazi and three bomb hits?
>> And I didn't know they already had radar guided 5 inch
>> guns'
>
>Seems like Hornet had radar guided guns in 1942.

From memory (not got "Radar at Sea" to hand) the first ship with radar
direction for AA fire was one of the RN 'C' class conversions to an AA
cruiser, some time in autumn 1940. By 1941 the sets were going into
Sloops.

--
Andy Breen ~ Not speaking on behalf of the University of Wales, Aberystwyth
Feng Shui: an ancient oriental art for extracting
money from the gullible (Martin Sinclair)

[William Hanson]

Walt wrote:
> On Jul 17, 4:42?am, Gordon > wrote:
>> On Jul 16, 11:58 pm, "Ray O'Hara" > wrote:
>>
>>> ...but recently a military channel show on the B-17 at various times
>>> showed B-24s, B-25s while extolling the fortress and then while talking
>>> about the tail-gun of the 17 had a close up of a lancaster 4-gun rear
>>> turret.- Hide quoted text -
>>> - Show quoted text -
>> I'm surprised that, while talking about how much punishment the B-17
>> could take, they didn't show that guy crashing against the round-down
>> on the carrier.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>
> A B-17?
>
> Walt
>

That's his point. The history channel is run by people who don't give
an iota about accuracy. The voice-over will be about one thing, and the
visual will be whatever they could find on file. It would be no stretch
at all for them to talk about a B-17 while showing a picture of a
fighter crashing on a flight deck. (A very impressive crash it was, too.)

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[Richard Casady]

On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 23:08:05 -0400, "Jonathan" >
wrote:

>And I didn't know they already had radar guided 5 inch
>guns

I don't quite see how guns could even be guided: maybe aimed with the
aid of a director that used radar. They did have fire control radars
for five inch guns during WWII. Radar was just coming into use in the
late thirtys but progress was rapid.

Casady

[Nik Simpson]

Richard Casady wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 23:08:05 -0400, "Jonathan" >
> wrote:
>
>> And I didn't know they already had radar guided 5 inch
>> guns
>
> I don't quite see how guns could even be guided: maybe aimed with the
> aid of a director that used radar. They did have fire control radars
> for five inch guns during WWII. Radar was just coming into use in the
> late thirtys but progress was rapid.


I suspect that they were referring to two things in their rather
misguided description:

1. Radar fire control for aiming the 5" guns
2. Radar-based proximity fuses in the 5" shells

--
Nik Simpson

[David E. Powell]

On Jul 16, 5:49 pm, Walt > wrote:
> On Jul 16, 4:28?pm, "David E. Powell" >
> wrote:
>
> > Really well done.... worth checking out. From the look at the battle
> > of the USS Laffey (And US air cover of the day, tactics, the ship
> > herself, etc.) to the stuff on the Okha program to the look at a
> > German ramming squadron in the last days of the war in Europe, really
> > well done stuff.
>
> The only thing that I take issue with is that they limit themselves to
> incidents where they can interview the particpants. When they did the
> segment on Jay Zeamer, they used an audio interview done sometime in
> the past. But they dredged up the co-pilot. It would seem to
> preclude them from doing segments say, on Bob Johnson, Richard Bong,
> Adolf Galland, Douglas Bader, and on and on and on......

I agree. The two guys at Pearl Harbor who got up in P-40s also come to
mind. Or the WW-One bomber raids/defenses...

> But the show generally has been very good.

I agree again, Walt...

> Walt

David

[Steve Hix]

In article m>,
"David E. Powell" > wrote:

> On Jul 16, 5:49 pm, Walt > wrote:
> > On Jul 16, 4:28?pm, "David E. Powell" >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Really well done.... worth checking out. From the look at the battle
> > > of the USS Laffey (And US air cover of the day, tactics, the ship
> > > herself, etc.) to the stuff on the Okha program to the look at a
> > > German ramming squadron in the last days of the war in Europe, really
> > > well done stuff.
> >
> > The only thing that I take issue with is that they limit themselves to
> > incidents where they can interview the particpants. When they did the
> > segment on Jay Zeamer, they used an audio interview done sometime in
> > the past. But they dredged up the co-pilot. It would seem to
> > preclude them from doing segments say, on Bob Johnson, Richard Bong,
> > Adolf Galland, Douglas Bader, and on and on and on......
>
> I agree. The two guys at Pearl Harbor who got up in P-40s also come to
> mind.

Kenneth Welch and George Taylor.

Too bad they didn't interview Phillip Rasmussen before he passed away in
2005, who managed to get in the air with a P-36 and account for one
Zero. He was in something of a hurry, still wearing his pajamas at the
time.

> > But the show generally has been very good.
>
> I agree again, Walt...
>
> > Walt
>
> David

[Ron]

On Jul 17, 2:37 pm, "Mike Piacente" > wrote:
> Yeah, I saw the same show on the Military Channel on the B-17.
>
> Advice to everyone: DON'T take any of these shows on weapons or battles as
> fact. History Channel ran a series called 'Hell's Battlefields' and one
> episode I saw was on the Battle of Kursk and it was loaded with errors.
> Since it was on about 3 years ago, I've forgotten most of the errors but two
> I still remember: while talking about the T-34/76, the film was showing the
> T-34/85 which didn't become operational until about 9-10 months AFTER Kursk;
> and the narration said Hitler called off the Zitadelle because the Allies
> had invaded Sicily on July 10, 1944. NOTICE the date -- ONE YEAR and one
> day AFTER the actual invasion. I sent the History Channel an e-mail and
> pointed out all the errors and, surprisingly, the show's producer called me.
> I told him about the T-34 error and he said "well, most people wouldn't
> notice things like that," so I said "If you ran a program about automobiles
> and your narration was talking about Cadillacs and the film showed Pintos,
> would that be OK?" He said 'No.' Then I told him about the invasion of
> Sicily date being off by a year and a day and he wanted to know how I could
> possibly know that date. I told him I've been a military historian for 40
> years and read him excerpts from three books about the invasion date and
> gave him the titles, authors, and publication dates and asked if he'd like
> more sources. He declined and said that particular error would be fixed. I
> watched the show again the next two times it was on and the error was still
> in there.
>
> The media doesn't care about accuracy, they're there to entertain.
>
> "Ray O'Hara" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
> > "Walt" > wrote in message
> ps.com...
> >> On Jul 16, 4:28?pm, "David E. Powell" >
> >> wrote:
> >> > Really well done.... worth checking out. From the look at the battle
> >> > of the USS Laffey (And US air cover of the day, tactics, the ship
> >> > herself, etc.) to the stuff on the Okha program to the look at a
> >> > German ramming squadron in the last days of the war in Europe, really
> >> > well done stuff.
>
> >> The only thing that I take issue with is that they limit themselves to
> >> incidents where they can interview the particpants. When they did the
> >> segment on Jay Zeamer, they used an audio interview done sometime in
> >> the past. But they dredged up the co-pilot. It would seem to
> >> preclude them from doing segments say, on Bob Johnson, Richard Bong,
> >> Adolf Galland, Douglas Bader, and on and on and on......
>
> >> But the show generally has been very good.
>
> >> Walt
>
> > i don't like how they can mislead with facts. they'll say how many RPM the
> > guns can fire but then never say how much ammo the plane carried.
> > stuff like that. now with CGI they are getting away from the 'films is
> > films' but recently a military channel show on the B-17 at various times
> > showed B-24s, B-25s while extolling the fortress and then while talking
> > about the tail-gun of the 17 had a close up of a lancaster 4-gun rear
> > turret.

On a recent BBC/Discovery channel show I did some flying on, they
added the sound a Cessna 152 starting up, to the footage of a spinning
turboprop

Ron

[Ray O'Hara[_2_]]

"William Hanson" > wrote in message
...
> Walt wrote:
> > On Jul 17, 4:42?am, Gordon > wrote:
> >> On Jul 16, 11:58 pm, "Ray O'Hara" > wrote:
> >>
> >>> ...but recently a military channel show on the B-17 at various times
> >>> showed B-24s, B-25s while extolling the fortress and then while
talking
> >>> about the tail-gun of the 17 had a close up of a lancaster 4-gun rear
> >>> turret.- Hide quoted text -
> >>> - Show quoted text -
> >> I'm surprised that, while talking about how much punishment the B-17
> >> could take, they didn't show that guy crashing against the round-down
> >> on the carrier.- Hide quoted text -
> >>
> >> - Show quoted text -
> >
> >
> > A B-17?
> >
> > Walt
> >
>
> That's his point. The history channel is run by people who don't give
> an iota about accuracy. The voice-over will be about one thing, and the
> visual will be whatever they could find on file. It would be no stretch
> at all for them to talk about a B-17 while showing a picture of a
> fighter crashing on a flight deck. (A very impressive crash it was, too.)
>
>


they always show germans advancing across the russian steppes in high
summer while talking about the ardennes.

[Tex Houston]

"Steve Hix" > wrote in message
...
>
> Too bad they didn't interview Phillip Rasmussen before he passed away in
> 2005, who managed to get in the air with a P-36 and account for one
> Zero. He was in something of a hurry, still wearing his pajamas at the
> time.

The pajama wearing is shown in a display at the museum in Dayton.

Tex

[Steve Hix]

In article >,
"Tex Houston" > wrote:

> "Steve Hix" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > Too bad they didn't interview Phillip Rasmussen before he passed away in
> > 2005, who managed to get in the air with a P-36 and account for one
> > Zero. He was in something of a hurry, still wearing his pajamas at the
> > time.
>
> The pajama wearing is shown in a display at the museum in Dayton.
>
> Tex

Neat. :}

[Gordon[_2_]]

On Jul 18, 2:52 am, Walt > wrote:
> On Jul 17, 4:42?am, Gordon > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 16, 11:58 pm, "Ray O'Hara" > wrote:
>
> > > "Walt" > wrote in message
>
> > ps.com...
>
> > > > On Jul 16, 4:28?pm, "David E. Powell" >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Really well done.... worth checking out. From the look at the battle
> > > > > of the USS Laffey (And US air cover of the day, tactics, the ship
> > > > > herself, etc.) to the stuff on the Okha program to the look at a
> > > > > German ramming squadron in the last days of the war in Europe, really
> > > > > well done stuff.
>
> > > > The only thing that I take issue with is that they limit themselves to
> > > > incidents where they can interview the particpants. When they did the
> > > > segment on Jay Zeamer, they used an audio interview done sometime in
> > > > the past. But they dredged up the co-pilot. It would seem to
> > > > preclude them from doing segments say, on Bob Johnson, Richard Bong,
> > > > Adolf Galland, Douglas Bader, and on and on and on......
>
> > > > But the show generally has been very good.
>
> > > > Walt
>
> > > i don't like how they can mislead with facts. they'll say how many RPM the
> > > guns can fire but then never say how much ammo the plane carried.
> > > stuff like that. now with CGI they are getting away from the 'films is
> > > films' but recently a military channel show on the B-17 at various times
> > > showed B-24s, B-25s while extolling the fortress and then while talking
> > > about the tail-gun of the 17 had a close up of a lancaster 4-gun rear
> > > turret.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > I'm surprised that, while talking about how much punishment the B-17
> > could take, they didn't show that guy crashing against the round-down
> > on the carrier.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> A B-17?
>
> Walt

My point there is that they seem to almost randomly insert some
footage in completely inappropriate places.

[tomcervo]

On Jul 19, 11:09?pm, Gordon > wrote:
> My point there is that they seem to almost randomly insert some
> footage in completely inappropriate places.- Hide quoted text -

"They" is any producer in a hurry; it's not a History Channel policy.
"Dogfights" is trying pretty hard to get it straight--they didn't have
to put Shamrock Bay markings on those FM-2's last week.
OTOH there was that wowee-graphics sea war doc a year or so ago
talking about the British Navy and showing the Italian Fleet footage.
That cues up the off button and the "reinforcements" montage from
"Duck Soup": Tarzan's ape army, tree monkeys and porposes racing to
help Fredonia.

[TMOliver]

"Gordon" > wrote ...
> On Jul 16, 11:58 pm, "Ray O'Hara" > wrote:
>> "Walt" > wrote in message....
>>
>> > On Jul 16, 4:28?pm, "David E. Powell" >
>> > wrote:
>> > > Really well done.... worth checking out. From the look at the battle
>> > > of the USS Laffey (And US air cover of the day, tactics, the ship
>> > > herself, etc.) to the stuff on the Okha program to the look at a
>> > > German ramming squadron in the last days of the war in Europe, really
>> > > well done stuff.
>>
>> > The only thing that I take issue with is that they limit themselves to
>> > incidents where they can interview the particpants. When they did the
>> > segment on Jay Zeamer, they used an audio interview done sometime in
>> > the past. But they dredged up the co-pilot. It would seem to
>> > preclude them from doing segments say, on Bob Johnson, Richard Bong,
>> > Adolf Galland, Douglas Bader, and on and on and on......
>>
>> > But the show generally has been very good.
>>
>> > Walt
>>
>> i don't like how they can mislead with facts. they'll say how many RPM
>> the
>> guns can fire but then never say how much ammo the plane carried.
>> stuff like that. now with CGI they are getting away from the 'films is
>> films' but recently a military channel show on the B-17 at various times
>> showed B-24s, B-25s while extolling the fortress and then while talking
>> about the tail-gun of the 17 had a close up of a lancaster 4-gun rear
>> turret.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>
> I'm surprised that, while talking about how much punishment the B-17
> could take, they didn't show that guy crashing against the round-down
> on the carrier.
>

Was it my imagination, but during one of the scenes from a/the show on
ramming tactics by Luftwaffe Me109s against USAAF B-17s daylight bombing,
didn't a Me109 flash by a Lancaster on its way toward colliding with a
yellow-tailed B-17?

TMO