History Channel Dogfights - Kamikazes (Season 2 Premiere)

Really well done.... worth checking out. From the look at the battle
of the USS Laffey (And US air cover of the day, tactics, the ship
herself, etc.) to the stuff on the Okha program to the look at a
German ramming squadron in the last days of the war in Europe, really
well done stuff.

On Jul 16, 4:28?pm, "David E. Powell"
wrote:
Really well done.... worth checking out. From the look at the battle
of the USS Laffey (And US air cover of the day, tactics, the ship
herself, etc.) to the stuff on the Okha program to the look at a
German ramming squadron in the last days of the war in Europe, really
well done stuff.

The only thing that I take issue with is that they limit themselves to
incidents where they can interview the particpants. When they did the
segment on Jay Zeamer, they used an audio interview done sometime in
the past. But they dredged up the co-pilot. It would seem to
preclude them from doing segments say, on Bob Johnson, Richard Bong,
Adolf Galland, Douglas Bader, and on and on and on......

But the show generally has been very good.

Walt

On Jul 16, 2:49 pm, Walt wrote:
On Jul 16, 4:28?pm, "David E. Powell"
wrote:

Really well done.... worth checking out. From the look at the battle
of the USS Laffey (And US air cover of the day, tactics, the ship
herself, etc.) to the stuff on the Okha program to the look at a
German ramming squadron in the last days of the war in Europe, really
well done stuff.

The only thing that I take issue with is that they limit themselves to
incidents where they can interview the particpants. When they did the
segment on Jay Zeamer, they used an audio interview done sometime in
the past. But they dredged up the co-pilot. It would seem to
preclude them from doing segments say, on Bob Johnson, Richard Bong,
Adolf Galland, Douglas Bader, and on and on and on......

But the show generally has been very good.

Walt

I think the CGI is actually improving as the series goes along, too.
I just wish they wouldn't repeat the same CGI footage 6-7 times in the
same episode.

I really enjoy the show, and its great to see some old friends
participating. The good Doctor (Fritz M.) was one of the participants
of our 2000 reunion for Kommando Welter in Schliessheim. He looked
great on the show!

"Do you mind if I come? My old unit doesn't have reunions - we just
catch a cab."

v/r
Gordon

On Jul 16, 5:49?pm, Walt wrote:
The only thing that I take issue with is that they limit themselves to
incidents where they can interview the particpants. When they did the
segment on Jay Zeamer, they used an audio interview done sometime in
the past. But they dredged up the co-pilot. It would seem to
preclude them from doing segments say, on Bob Johnson, Richard Bong,
Adolf Galland, Douglas Bader, and on and on and on......

True, and it's US-centric, which excludes a lot of good stories--some
you've named. The first ever ep feature one of Rickenbacker's fights,
so they will go outside that limit.

"Walt" wrote in message
ps.com...
On Jul 16, 4:28?pm, "David E. Powell"
wrote:
Really well done.... worth checking out. From the look at the battle
of the USS Laffey (And US air cover of the day, tactics, the ship
herself, etc.) to the stuff on the Okha program to the look at a
German ramming squadron in the last days of the war in Europe, really
well done stuff.

The only thing that I take issue with is that they limit themselves to
incidents where they can interview the particpants. When they did the
segment on Jay Zeamer, they used an audio interview done sometime in
the past. But they dredged up the co-pilot. It would seem to
preclude them from doing segments say, on Bob Johnson, Richard Bong,
Adolf Galland, Douglas Bader, and on and on and on......

But the show generally has been very good.

Walt


i don't like how they can mislead with facts. they'll say how many RPM the
guns can fire but then never say how much ammo the plane carried.
stuff like that. now with CGI they are getting away from the 'films is
films' but recently a military channel show on the B-17 at various times
showed B-24s, B-25s while extolling the fortress and then while talking
about the tail-gun of the 17 had a close up of a lancaster 4-gun rear
turret.

On Jul 16, 11:58 pm, "Ray O'Hara" wrote:
"Walt" wrote in message

ps.com...





On Jul 16, 4:28?pm, "David E. Powell"
wrote:
Really well done.... worth checking out. From the look at the battle
of the USS Laffey (And US air cover of the day, tactics, the ship
herself, etc.) to the stuff on the Okha program to the look at a
German ramming squadron in the last days of the war in Europe, really
well done stuff.

The only thing that I take issue with is that they limit themselves to
incidents where they can interview the particpants. When they did the
segment on Jay Zeamer, they used an audio interview done sometime in
the past. But they dredged up the co-pilot. It would seem to
preclude them from doing segments say, on Bob Johnson, Richard Bong,
Adolf Galland, Douglas Bader, and on and on and on......

But the show generally has been very good.

Walt

i don't like how they can mislead with facts. they'll say how many RPM the
guns can fire but then never say how much ammo the plane carried.
stuff like that. now with CGI they are getting away from the 'films is
films' but recently a military channel show on the B-17 at various times
showed B-24s, B-25s while extolling the fortress and then while talking
about the tail-gun of the 17 had a close up of a lancaster 4-gun rear
turret.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I'm surprised that, while talking about how much punishment the B-17
could take, they didn't show that guy crashing against the round-down
on the carrier.

On Jul 17, 4:42?am, Gordon wrote:
On Jul 16, 11:58 pm, "Ray O'Hara" wrote:





"Walt" wrote in message

ups.com...

On Jul 16, 4:28?pm, "David E. Powell"
wrote:
Really well done.... worth checking out. From the look at the battle
of the USS Laffey (And US air cover of the day, tactics, the ship
herself, etc.) to the stuff on the Okha program to the look at a
German ramming squadron in the last days of the war in Europe, really
well done stuff.

The only thing that I take issue with is that they limit themselves to
incidents where they can interview the particpants. When they did the
segment on Jay Zeamer, they used an audio interview done sometime in
the past. But they dredged up the co-pilot. It would seem to
preclude them from doing segments say, on Bob Johnson, Richard Bong,
Adolf Galland, Douglas Bader, and on and on and on......

But the show generally has been very good.

Walt

i don't like how they can mislead with facts. they'll say how many RPM the
guns can fire but then never say how much ammo the plane carried.
stuff like that. now with CGI they are getting away from the 'films is
films' but recently a military channel show on the B-17 at various times
showed B-24s, B-25s while extolling the fortress and then while talking
about the tail-gun of the 17 had a close up of a lancaster 4-gun rear
turret.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I'm surprised that, while talking about how much punishment the B-17
could take, they didn't show that guy crashing against the round-down
on the carrier.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


A B-17?

Walt

Walt wrote:
On Jul 17, 4:42?am, Gordon wrote:
On Jul 16, 11:58 pm, "Ray O'Hara" wrote:

...but recently a military channel show on the B-17 at various times
showed B-24s, B-25s while extolling the fortress and then while talking
about the tail-gun of the 17 had a close up of a lancaster 4-gun rear
turret.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
I'm surprised that, while talking about how much punishment the B-17
could take, they didn't show that guy crashing against the round-down
on the carrier.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


A B-17?

Walt


That's his point. The history channel is run by people who don't give
an iota about accuracy. The voice-over will be about one thing, and the
visual will be whatever they could find on file. It would be no stretch
at all for them to talk about a B-17 while showing a picture of a
fighter crashing on a flight deck. (A very impressive crash it was, too.)

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On Jul 18, 2:52 am, Walt wrote:
On Jul 17, 4:42?am, Gordon wrote:





On Jul 16, 11:58 pm, "Ray O'Hara" wrote:

"Walt" wrote in message

ups.com...

On Jul 16, 4:28?pm, "David E. Powell"
wrote:
Really well done.... worth checking out. From the look at the battle
of the USS Laffey (And US air cover of the day, tactics, the ship
herself, etc.) to the stuff on the Okha program to the look at a
German ramming squadron in the last days of the war in Europe, really
well done stuff.

The only thing that I take issue with is that they limit themselves to
incidents where they can interview the particpants. When they did the
segment on Jay Zeamer, they used an audio interview done sometime in
the past. But they dredged up the co-pilot. It would seem to
preclude them from doing segments say, on Bob Johnson, Richard Bong,
Adolf Galland, Douglas Bader, and on and on and on......

But the show generally has been very good.

Walt

i don't like how they can mislead with facts. they'll say how many RPM the
guns can fire but then never say how much ammo the plane carried.
stuff like that. now with CGI they are getting away from the 'films is
films' but recently a military channel show on the B-17 at various times
showed B-24s, B-25s while extolling the fortress and then while talking
about the tail-gun of the 17 had a close up of a lancaster 4-gun rear
turret.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I'm surprised that, while talking about how much punishment the B-17
could take, they didn't show that guy crashing against the round-down
on the carrier.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

A B-17?

Walt

My point there is that they seem to almost randomly insert some
footage in completely inappropriate places.

"Gordon" wrote ...
On Jul 16, 11:58 pm, "Ray O'Hara" wrote:
"Walt" wrote in message....

On Jul 16, 4:28?pm, "David E. Powell"
wrote:
Really well done.... worth checking out. From the look at the battle
of the USS Laffey (And US air cover of the day, tactics, the ship
herself, etc.) to the stuff on the Okha program to the look at a
German ramming squadron in the last days of the war in Europe, really
well done stuff.

The only thing that I take issue with is that they limit themselves to
incidents where they can interview the particpants. When they did the
segment on Jay Zeamer, they used an audio interview done sometime in
the past. But they dredged up the co-pilot. It would seem to
preclude them from doing segments say, on Bob Johnson, Richard Bong,
Adolf Galland, Douglas Bader, and on and on and on......

But the show generally has been very good.

Walt

i don't like how they can mislead with facts. they'll say how many RPM
the
guns can fire but then never say how much ammo the plane carried.
stuff like that. now with CGI they are getting away from the 'films is
films' but recently a military channel show on the B-17 at various times
showed B-24s, B-25s while extolling the fortress and then while talking
about the tail-gun of the 17 had a close up of a lancaster 4-gun rear
turret.- Hide quoted text -


I'm surprised that, while talking about how much punishment the B-17
could take, they didn't show that guy crashing against the round-down
on the carrier.


Was it my imagination, but during one of the scenes from a/the show on
ramming tactics by Luftwaffe Me109s against USAAF B-17s daylight bombing,
didn't a Me109 flash by a Lancaster on its way toward colliding with a
yellow-tailed B-17?

TMO