Jessie cashes in

[Cub Driver]

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Former prisoner of war Jessica Lynch has signed a
$1 million agreement with Alfred A. Knopf, giving the injured former
U.S. Army private the chance to tell her own story, the publisher said
on Tuesday.


all the best -- Dan Ford
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[Ed Rasimus]

Cub Driver > wrote:

>
>NEW YORK (Reuters) - Former prisoner of war Jessica Lynch has signed a
>$1 million agreement with Alfred A. Knopf, giving the injured former
>U.S. Army private the chance to tell her own story, the publisher said
>on Tuesday.
>
While I don't begrudge her the money, the choice of a questionable
ghost writer, released from the NYT for by-lining a story written by a
free-lancer means the whole project will be discredited.


Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (ret)
***"When Thunder Rolled:
*** An F-105 Pilot Over N. Vietnam"
*** from Smithsonian Books
ISBN: 1588341038

[Leadfoot]

"Ed Rasimus" > wrote in message
...
> Cub Driver > wrote:
>
> >
> >NEW YORK (Reuters) - Former prisoner of war Jessica Lynch has signed a
> >$1 million agreement with Alfred A. Knopf, giving the injured former
> >U.S. Army private the chance to tell her own story, the publisher said
> >on Tuesday.
> >
> While I don't begrudge her the money, the choice of a , released from the
NYT for by-lining a story written by a
> free-lancer means the whole project will be discredited.
>

I thought splitting a million bucks with a questionable ghost writer was
pretty cheap. She could have done better.

Now much did you get for "When Thunder Rolled"? Had to be what 2-3 million
;-)

>
> Ed Rasimus
> Fighter Pilot (ret)
> ***"When Thunder Rolled:
> *** An F-105 Pilot Over N. Vietnam"
> *** from Smithsonian Books
> ISBN: 1588341038

[Tex Houston]

"Cub Driver" > wrote in message
...
>
> NEW YORK (Reuters) - Former prisoner of war Jessica Lynch has signed a
> $1 million agreement with Alfred A. Knopf, giving the injured former
> U.S. Army private the chance to tell her own story, the publisher said
> on Tuesday.
>
>
> all the best -- Dan Ford


Was she in military aviation service?

Tex

[Andrew Chaplin]

Ed Rasimus wrote:
>
> While I don't begrudge her the money, the choice of a questionable
> ghost writer, released from the NYT for by-lining a story written by a
> free-lancer means the whole project will be discredited.

I see it pretty much the same way. Unfortunately they want to sell the
story while it still has some sizzle.

I think for how to write a story in the "wounded, rescued soldier"
genre, one might look to General Sir John Hackett's _I Was A
Stranger_; he wrote it himself some 30 years after the fact when he
could research what the Germans had been up to.
--
Andrew Chaplin
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(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)

[Phineas Pinkham]

"Ed Rasimus" <wrote in message

> While I don't begrudge her the money, the choice of a questionable
> ghost writer, released from the NYT for by-lining a story written by a
> free-lancer means the whole project will be discredited.
>
>
> Ed Rasimus

Sounds like jealous sour grapes to us, old boy!

[Thomas Schoene]

"Phineas Pinkham" > wrote in message

> "Ed Rasimus" <wrote in message
>
> > While I don't begrudge her the money, the choice of a questionable
> > ghost writer, released from the NYT for by-lining a story written
> > by a free-lancer means the whole project will be discredited.
> >
> >
> > Ed Rasimus
>
> Sounds like jealous sour grapes to us, old boy!

Not to me. Ed's already got one excellent book written by his own hand and a
second on the way. He may not outsell Lynch, but I can certainly tell you
that he's getting more of my money and she is not.

--�
Tom Schoene Replace "invalid" with "net" to e-mail
"If brave men and women never died, there would be nothing
special about bravery." -- Andy Rooney (attributed)

[Phineas Pinkham]

"Thomas Schoene" < wrote in message

> > > While I don't begrudge her the money, the choice of a questionable
> > > ghost writer, released from the NYT for by-lining a story written
> > > by a free-lancer means the whole project will be discredited.
> > >
> > >
> > > Ed Rasimus
> >
> > Sounds like jealous sour grapes to us, old boy!
>
> Not to me.
> Tom Schoene
>
In addition to a Pulitzer Prize, Rick Bragg, the ghost writer-
has twice won the prestigious American Society of Newspaper Editors
Distinguished Writing Award, and more than 50 writing awards in his 20-year
career. In 1992, he was awarded a Nieman Fellowship at Harvard University.
He has taught writing in colleges and in newspaper news rooms.

Sour grapes mode still on! :-)

[Ed Rasimus]

"Leadfoot" > wrote:

>I thought splitting a million bucks with a questionable ghost writer was
>pretty cheap. She could have done better.
>
>Now much did you get for "When Thunder Rolled"? Had to be what 2-3 million
>;-)

My royalties, if and when they ever arrive, will pale by comparison.
I'm planning on taking my wife to dinner. Somewhere nice...Carrabas or
Chili's maybe....



Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (ret)
***"When Thunder Rolled:
*** An F-105 Pilot Over N. Vietnam"
*** from Smithsonian Books
ISBN: 1588341038

[QDurham]

>Lord knows, after the pack of lies that
>was released about her, she can't really be put down for sticking her hand
>into the cookie jar and taking her shot.

What would you say if (in the unlikely event) that she tells the true story
exactly as it happened and not as the government fantasizes? That'd surely
make her a hero in my eyes. Wait and see.

Quent

[[email protected]]

Ed Rasimus > wrote:

>"Leadfoot" > wrote:
>
>>I thought splitting a million bucks with a questionable ghost writer was
>>pretty cheap. She could have done better.
>>
>>Now much did you get for "When Thunder Rolled"? Had to be what 2-3 million
>>;-)
>
>My royalties, if and when they ever arrive, will pale by comparison.
>I'm planning on taking my wife to dinner. Somewhere nice...Carrabas or
>Chili's maybe....
>
> Ed Rasimus

Uh huh...somewhere _quite_ nice I'd say... :)
--

-Gord.

[Juvat]

After an exhausting session with Victoria's Secret Police, "Phineas
Pinkham" blurted out:

> Sounds like jealous sour grapes to us, old boy!

Hmmm, a million dollars versus having lived the life of a combat
fighter pilot?

You're right, Jessie probably is jealous...she has every right to be,
but the money is some consolation...barely.

Juvat

[Bill Silvey]

"Phineas Pinkham" > wrote in message

> Sour grapes mode still on! :-)

The only sour grapes on display in the fruit market that is your mind are
all yours "old boy".

Ed has Been There and Done That, and most assuredly Has The Teeshirt. Lynch
has as well but under a different paradigm altogether.

You, on the other hand, have done *what* exactly that merits a book deal
again? Just remind me, I'm sure it was something stupendous.

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[IBM]

"Tex Houston" > wrote in
:

[snip]

> Was she in military aviation service?

Nope.....
Clerk in an Army transport battalion maintenance
detachment.

IBM

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[Thomas Schoene]

"IBM" > wrote in message

> "Tex Houston" > wrote in
> :
>
> [snip]
>
> > Was she in military aviation service?
>
> Nope.....
> Clerk in an Army transport battalion maintenance
> detachment.

She rode out of the hospital in Iraq on a helicopter. That's closer to on
topic than a lot of the discussion here.

--�
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"If brave men and women never died, there would be nothing
special about bravery." -- Andy Rooney (attributed)

[Don Harstad]

"Phineas Pinkham" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Thomas Schoene" < wrote in message
>
> > > > While I don't begrudge her the money, the choice of a questionable
> > > > ghost writer, released from the NYT for by-lining a story written
> > > > by a free-lancer means the whole project will be discredited.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ed Rasimus
> > >
> > > Sounds like jealous sour grapes to us, old boy!
> >
> > Not to me.
> > Tom Schoene
> >
> In addition to a Pulitzer Prize, Rick Bragg, the ghost writer-
> has twice won the prestigious American Society of Newspaper Editors
> Distinguished Writing Award, and more than 50 writing awards in his
20-year
> career. In 1992, he was awarded a Nieman Fellowship at Harvard University.
> He has taught writing in colleges and in newspaper news rooms.
>
> Sour grapes mode still on! :-)
>
>
Ed's right. Further, I don't think Jessica's in a position to make an
informed judgment regarding the ghost writer. Especially one who appears to
have purloined somebody else's work. Makes you wonder about the awards, as
well, doesn't it?

Don H.

[Gene Storey]

"Ed Rasimus" > wrote
> "Leadfoot" > wrote:
>
> >I thought splitting a million bucks with a questionable ghost writer was
> >pretty cheap. She could have done better.
> >
> >Now much did you get for "When Thunder Rolled"? Had to be what 2-3 million
> >;-)
>
> My royalties, if and when they ever arrive, will pale by comparison.
> I'm planning on taking my wife to dinner. Somewhere nice...Carrabas or
> Chili's maybe....

When I retired from the Air Force, I decided to write magazine articles
(electronic hobbyist magazines) while I went back to school. After selling my
first two articles for $125 each, I decided I would have to have about about
six articles a week in the queue to make any "real" money. They paid you
after publication, and my second article took 6 months before they accepted
it (I then put a clause in each article that non-acceptance after 8 weeks was
considered a negative, and they quickly rejected them).

Ah well... Maybe if you included a sorcerer and a boy with dark rimmed
glasses...

[Mike Marron]

>Thomas Schoene wrote:
>>Phineas Pinkham wrote:
>>>Ed Rasimus wrote:

>>>While I don't begrudge her the money, the choice of a questionable
>>>ghost writer, released from the NYT for by-lining a story written
>>>by a free-lancer means the whole project will be discredited.

>>Sounds like jealous sour grapes to us, old boy!

>Not to me. Ed's already got one excellent book written by his own hand and a
>second on the way. He may not outsell Lynch, but I can certainly tell you
>that he's getting more of my money and she is not.

Well said. While I've recommended Ed's book to all my friends,
relatives and family members, I won't even bother to peruse
the book jacket of any book written about Jessica Lynch. I wonder
what the name of her book will be...

-Mike ("The First Casualty of War is the Truth?") Marron

[Gene Storey]

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote
> "Ed Rasimus" > wrote in message
> >
> > While I don't begrudge her the money, the choice of a questionable
> > ghost writer, released from the NYT for by-lining a story written by a
> > free-lancer means the whole project will be discredited.
>
> I agree, and I have a problem with the whole thing really. Like you, I don't
> begrudge her the money, but there are mitigating circumstances to her "hero"
> status to begin with. Personally, I feel she would have been better advised
> everything considered, to refrain from being suckered into this deal. It has
> lawyers and shady dealing written all over it.

The NYT writer is an honorable man. His point that the NYT "never" allowed
any writer to list their sources. Saying that the use of others while necessary,
was a dirty truth best left out. This fact was glossed over in the hype.

Jesse's story will be ancient history in a year, and she needs a writer who can
get it into print as early as Christmas. After that, she might as well be that
woman who was kidnapped and buried alive. What was her name? Yea,
I know, who cares... Ancient history...

[ArtKramr]

>Subject: Re: Jessie cashes in
>From: Ed Rasimus
>Date: 9/2/03 1:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: >
>
>Cub Driver > wrote:
>
>>
>>NEW YORK (Reuters) - Former prisoner of war Jessica Lynch has signed a
>>$1 million agreement with Alfred A. Knopf, giving the injured former
>>U.S. Army private the chance to tell her own story, the publisher said
>>on Tuesday.
>>
>While I don't begrudge her the money, the choice of a questionable
>ghost writer, released from the NYT for by-lining a story written by a
>free-lancer means the whole project will be discredited.
>
>
> Ed Rasimus
> Fighter Pilot (ret)
> ***"When Thunder Rolled:
> *** An F-105 Pilot Over N. Vietnam"
> *** from Smithsonian Books
> ISBN: 1588341038


WAIT TILL THE FILM RIGHTS HIT. THEN THERE WILL BE TV SERIALIZATION. AND DOLLS
ETC. THIS IS A $10 MILLION DEAL.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

[Gene Storey]

"Mike Marron" > wrote
>
> I wonder what the name of her book will be...

"How not to use GPS in an RPG environment"

[Bill Silvey]

"Thomas Schoene" > wrote in message
nk.net
> "IBM" > wrote in message
>
>> "Tex Houston" > wrote in
>> :
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>> Was she in military aviation service?
>>
>> Nope.....
>> Clerk in an Army transport battalion maintenance
>> detachment.
>
> She rode out of the hospital in Iraq on a helicopter. That's closer
> to on topic than a lot of the discussion here.

A hell of a lot closer than Venik's "Amerika not go moon" and "US sink
russia sub" posts, that's for damned sure.

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[Dudley Henriques]

"QDurham" > wrote in message
...
> >Lord knows, after the pack of lies that
> >was released about her, she can't really be put down for sticking her
hand
> >into the cookie jar and taking her shot.
>
> What would you say if (in the unlikely event) that she tells the true
story
> exactly as it happened and not as the government fantasizes? That'd
surely
> make her a hero in my eyes. Wait and see.
>
> Quent

That's an excellent point, and something I sincerely hope she opts to do. It
will be interesting to watch how this all plays out in the final analysis.
Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
Commercial Pilot/CFI
Retired

[QDurham]

>That's an excellent point, and something I sincerely hope she opts to do. It
>will be interesting to watch how this all plays out in the final analysis.

Amen! Sic 'em, Jessie.

Quent

[ArtKramr]

>ect: Re: Jessie cashes in
>From: (QDurham)
>Date: 9/2/03 8:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: >
>
>>That's an excellent point, and something I sincerely hope she opts to do. It
>>will be interesting to watch how this all plays out in the final analysis.
>
>Amen! Sic 'em, Jessie.
>
>Quent

Can't wait for the Movie and TV series.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

[Cub Driver]

>While I don't begrudge her the money, the choice of a questionable
>ghost writer, released from the NYT for by-lining a story written by a
>free-lancer means the whole project will be discredited.

Same guy?! Funny, the Knopf press release didn't mention that, and I
didn't remember the name on my own.

all the best -- Dan Ford
email: www.danford.net/letters.htm#9

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[Cub Driver]

>Now much did you get for "When Thunder Rolled"? Had to be what 2-3 million

Smithsonian Institution Press regards itself as a university press.
You do it for the honor of the thing.

Say Jessie's book sells for $24.95, and so does Ed's, and say that
they both get 10 percent royalties on the first 5,000 copies. (Jessie
may in fact do better than that.) Sounds like even money, huh? If only
it were so!

Knopf does the math this way: 10 percent of $24.95 is $2.495 per book.

SIP as a higher-math university press figures: okay, we had to give up
50 percent to the distributor, so we got $12.475 per book times 10
percent to the author is $1.2475 per book, or half as much.

I majored in guvmint, so it took me years to figure that out.

all the best -- Dan Ford
email: www.danford.net/letters.htm#9

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[Cub Driver]

>> I wonder what the name of her book will be...
>
>"How not to use GPS in an RPG environment"
>

According to the Reuters story, it was the company commander (!) who
used the GPS incorrectly.

I am, by the way, reading a superlative book about the Iraq war: "The
March Up" by Bing West and Ray Smith. Both are former marine officers;
Smith retired as a maj gen. It is one of the best pieces of reporting
I have ever read. And one of the things that amazes is the
near-constant use of GPS.

(The marines prefer civilian $200 GPS units to military issue, BTW.)

all the best -- Dan Ford
email: www.danford.net/letters.htm#9

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[Cub Driver]

For the three percent who really care about what happened, Jessie's
account will be interesting on that score. Unfortunately, part of what
Jessie will reveal is that she evidently can't remember everything
that happened.

all the best -- Dan Ford
email: www.danford.net/letters.htm#9

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[Cub Driver]

>The NYT writer is an honorable man. His point that the NYT "never" allowed
>any writer to list their sources. Saying that the use of others while necessary,
>was a dirty truth best left out. This fact was glossed over in the hype.

You may well be right. I suspected at the time that the Byline
Terrorist got the axe largely to blunt the awfulness of the NYT's
error in the case of the Reporter Who Neglected to the Place He Was
Supposedly Writing From. They turned a case of editorial misjudgment
and reverse discrimination into a case of boys will be boys.

all the best -- Dan Ford
email: www.danford.net/letters.htm#9

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[buf3]

"Phineas Pinkham" > wrote in message >...
> "Thomas Schoene" < wrote in message
>
> > > > While I don't begrudge her the money, the choice of a questionable
> > > > ghost writer, released from the NYT for by-lining a story written
> > > > by a free-lancer means the whole project will be discredited.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ed Rasimus
> > >
> > > Sounds like jealous sour grapes to us, old boy!
> >
> > Not to me.
> > Tom Schoene
> >
> In addition to a Pulitzer Prize, Rick Bragg, the ghost writer-
> has twice won the prestigious American Society of Newspaper Editors
> Distinguished Writing Award, and more than 50 writing awards in his 20-year
> career. In 1992, he was awarded a Nieman Fellowship at Harvard University.
> He has taught writing in colleges and in newspaper news rooms.
>
> Sour grapes mode still on! :-)

===============
Rick Bragg's books about his grandfather (Ava'a Man) and his mother
(All Over but the Shoutin) are as good as I have read by a living
author. If he does as good a job in helping Jessica tell her story (I
Am a Soldier Too) it will be a best seller. They are splitting a
million bucks advance for the story. I predict that the book will make
each of them far more than that. He is a master story teller who can
really spin a yarn. I saw him on CSPAN, but he would not discuss the
NY Times debacle. I think he got a bum rap. The Times needs him far
worse than he needs the Times.

Gene Myers
A gimpy old pilot who reads a lot.

[Phineas Pinkham]

"Mike Marron" < wrote in message
> (ArtKramr) wrote:
>
> >WAIT TILL THE FILM RIGHTS HIT. THEN THERE WILL BE TV SERIALIZATION. AND
DOLLS
> >ETC. THIS IS A $10 MILLION DEAL.
>
> Just when you had me convinced that your sense of humor had
> gone AWOL -- you go and post this. > -Mike (yee haw!) Marron

No wonder Rasimus is foaming at the mouth!
He isn't checked out in Choppers, so no part in the movie.
Kramer has it nailed, he can be her Grandfather.

[The Raven]

"John S. Shinal" > wrote in message
...
> "Bill Silvey" wrote:
>
> >Ed has Been There and Done That, and most assuredly Has The Teeshirt.
>
> Stole the hubcaps off The Elephant, too.
>
>
> > Lynch has as well but under a different paradigm altogether.
>
> I'm not so sure this is all that big a deal. She's got a story
> for greater or lesser, she's certain to be discharged on medical
> grounds eventually, no big deal to make a little for her retirement.
> This will be light reading, not scholarly stuff.


She's already received an honourable discharge. Was reported in the last
48hours.

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** since August 15th 2000.

[Bill Silvey]

"Cub Driver" > wrote in message


> March Up" by Bing West and Ray Smith.

I apologize for the off-topicness of this reply but I initially read that as
Bing Crosby and Mae West!

God I've got to take a nap.

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[Ed Rasimus]

Cub Driver > wrote:

>
>>Now much did you get for "When Thunder Rolled"? Had to be what 2-3 million
>
>Smithsonian Institution Press regards itself as a university press.
>You do it for the honor of the thing.
>
>Say Jessie's book sells for $24.95, and so does Ed's, and say that
>they both get 10 percent royalties on the first 5,000 copies. (Jessie
>may in fact do better than that.) Sounds like even money, huh? If only
>it were so!
>
>Knopf does the math this way: 10 percent of $24.95 is $2.495 per book.
>
>SIP as a higher-math university press figures: okay, we had to give up
>50 percent to the distributor, so we got $12.475 per book times 10
>percent to the author is $1.2475 per book, or half as much.
>
>I majored in guvmint, so it took me years to figure that out.
>
>all the best -- Dan Ford

I notice that your excellent work on the AVG is showing in the Fall
'03 Catalog of Smithsonian as a past catalog, "Best Seller"--still in
print, still available, still a good read.

See, stop your belly-achin, the money keeps dribblin' in.

But, for the uninitiated, you've concisely spelled out the royalties
equation. Most folks are surprised.


Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (ret)
***"When Thunder Rolled:
*** An F-105 Pilot Over N. Vietnam"
*** from Smithsonian Books
ISBN: 1588341038

[Mike Marron]

>"Phineas Pinkham" > wrote:

>No wonder Rasimus is foaming at the mouth!
>He isn't checked out in Choppers, so no part in the movie.

I grew up witnessing the enviable dynamics that goes on
when a woman is in the presence of a decorated fighter pilot...

-Mike (she foams at the mouth, not him) Marron

[John Hairell]

On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 14:33:47 GMT, Ed Rasimus >
wrote:

>Cub Driver > wrote:
>
>>
>>>Now much did you get for "When Thunder Rolled"? Had to be what 2-3 million
>>
>>Smithsonian Institution Press regards itself as a university press.
>>You do it for the honor of the thing.
>>
>>Say Jessie's book sells for $24.95, and so does Ed's, and say that
>>they both get 10 percent royalties on the first 5,000 copies. (Jessie
>>may in fact do better than that.) Sounds like even money, huh? If only
>>it were so!
>>
>>Knopf does the math this way: 10 percent of $24.95 is $2.495 per book.
>>
>>SIP as a higher-math university press figures: okay, we had to give up
>>50 percent to the distributor, so we got $12.475 per book times 10
>>percent to the author is $1.2475 per book, or half as much.
>>
>>I majored in guvmint, so it took me years to figure that out.
>>
>>all the best -- Dan Ford
>
>I notice that your excellent work on the AVG is showing in the Fall
>'03 Catalog of Smithsonian as a past catalog, "Best Seller"--still in
>print, still available, still a good read.
>
>See, stop your belly-achin, the money keeps dribblin' in.
>
>But, for the uninitiated, you've concisely spelled out the royalties
>equation. Most folks are surprised.
>

I know several people who write aviation history books. All but one
have day jobs that pay real wages. You almost have to be a writing
machine to make even a meager living from writing aviation history
books or magazine articles. The press run for these books may not be
very large, and it can be disheartening for an author to see their
quarterly or semi-annual sales figures - some of these books sell far
less than 100 copies per quarter.

It might as well be a hobby for many of these authors - the amount of
time spent researching a subject, dealing with archives, and tracking
down people/documents/photographs (much less finding a publisher)
costs much more than what the resultant book will ever repay for.

John Hairell )

[Mike Marron]

>Phineas Pinkham wrote:
>>Mike Marron wrote:

>>I grew up witnessing the enviable dynamics that goes on
>>when a woman is in the presence of a decorated fighter pilot...

>> -Mike (she foams at the mouth, not him) Marron

>:30 minutes on 100% Oxygen
>A Coke
>A cigarette
>then throw up! :-)

Yep, but that was then, this is NOW:

30-minute "wellness" lecture on the evils of consuming alcohol...
A Perrier...
Another 30-minute "wellness" lecture on the evils of smoking...
Then throw up!

-Mike Marron

[Billy Beck]

"Phineas Pinkham" > wrote:

>"Thomas Schoene" < wrote in message
>
>> > > While I don't begrudge her the money, the choice of a questionable
>> > > ghost writer, released from the NYT for by-lining a story written
>> > > by a free-lancer means the whole project will be discredited.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Ed Rasimus
>> >
>> > Sounds like jealous sour grapes to us, old boy!
>>
>> Not to me.

>In addition to a Pulitzer Prize, Rick Bragg, the ghost writer-
> has twice won the prestigious American Society of Newspaper Editors
>Distinguished Writing Award, and more than 50 writing awards in his 20-year
>career.

And Walter Duranty won a Pulitzer for lying in Stalin's service
in the New York Times. What's your point?

Can you say "ex cathedra"?


Billy

http://www.two--four.net/weblog.php

[Phineas Pinkham]

My point is there is no need to characterize Rick Bragg as a "questionable"
ghost writer.

"ex cathedra" by whose pronouncement?

Can you say mea culpa?

<Billy Beck> wrote in message > Can you say "ex cathedra"?
>
>
> Billy
>

[Leadfoot]

"Cub Driver" > wrote in message
...
>
> >Now much did you get for "When Thunder Rolled"? Had to be what 2-3
million
>
> Smithsonian Institution Press regards itself as a university press.
> You do it for the honor of the thing.
>
> Say Jessie's book sells for $24.95, and so does Ed's, and say that
> they both get 10 percent royalties on the first 5,000 copies. (Jessie
> may in fact do better than that.) Sounds like even money, huh? If only
> it were so!
>
> Knopf does the math this way: 10 percent of $24.95 is $2.495 per book.
>
> SIP as a higher-math university press figures: okay, we had to give up
> 50 percent to the distributor, so we got $12.475 per book times 10
> percent to the author is $1.2475 per book, or half as much.
>
> I majored in guvmint, so it took me years to figure that out.
>
> all the best -- Dan Ford
> email: www.danford.net/letters.htm#9
>
> see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com
> and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com

You missed my wink ;-) I knew Ed wasn't making much if anything on his book

Sure does seem damn unfair. If Ed had been paid based on "bullets expended
against" I'm sure he'd have Jessica beat

OTOH she will have to deal with being too famous to work for a while.
Something she didn't ask for or have control of.

[Billy Beck]

"Phineas Pinkham" > wrote:

>My point is there is no need to characterize Rick Bragg as a "questionable"
>ghost writer.

Of course there is: the man took credit in the public prints for
reports on which he was not the one who did the work. This is an
indisputable fact. And you can say that is was simply the condition
of his employment with the New York Times if you want to, but I'll
only point out that no serious and self-respecting journalist would
accept those conditions. Bragg is not fit to sharpen Stephen Crane's
pencil.

>"ex cathedra" by whose pronouncement?
>
>Can you say mea culpa?

Yes, I can, but it's not necessary in this case: I'm not the one
who cited other peoples' rote huzzahs for Bragg. That was you.


Billy

http://www.two--four.net/weblog.php

[Leslie Swartz]

Admitting to being on the NYT staff is akin to admitting you're a member of
the KKK.

Sad to say, the reputation of the members of an organization is a reflection
upon the reputation of the organization itself- and vice versa.

The NYT has been playing fast and loose for many years now; it's reputation
is finally catching up with reality.

The *rational* response is to pretty much assume that *all* members of the
NYT are lying hacks, with to grind, an axe.

Yeah, well, I guess the crossword puzzle is still grounded in reality . . .

Steve Swartz


"Phineas Pinkham" > wrote in message
...
> My point is there is no need to characterize Rick Bragg as a
"questionable"
> ghost writer.
>
> "ex cathedra" by whose pronouncement?
>
> Can you say mea culpa?
>
> <Billy Beck> wrote in message > Can you say "ex cathedra"?
> >
> >
> > Billy
> >
>
>

[Gene Storey]

"Mike Marron" > wrote
> >"Phineas Pinkham" > wrote:
>
> >No wonder Rasimus is foaming at the mouth!
> >He isn't checked out in Choppers, so no part in the movie.
>
> I grew up witnessing the enviable dynamics that goes on
> when a woman is in the presence of a decorated fighter pilot...

Hi, my name is "Maverick."

"Your mother named you Maverick!"

[Marc Reeve]

Gene Storey > wrote:
>
> Jesse's story will be ancient history in a year, and she needs a writer
> who can get it into print as early as Christmas. After that, she might as
> well be that woman who was kidnapped and buried alive. What was her name?
> Yea, I know, who cares... Ancient history...

That'd be Barbara Jane Mackle. Took her 3 years to get her book out, and
primary authorship credit went to her co-writer, Gene Miller.

-Marc
--
Marc Reeve
actual email address after removal of 4s & spaces is
c4m4r4a4m4a4n a4t c4r4u4z4i4o d4o4t c4o4m

[av8r]

OOps

Sorry I meant to reply in the PSP thread.

Cheers...Chris

[Les Matheson]

"Mike Marron" <> >Diaries are so "last year". Everybody does Blogs now.
Technology marches
> >on.
>
> Heh.
>
> (As an aside, "Phineas Pinkham" wrote that bit about the
> "dairy" -- not me.)
>
> -Mike (BTW, what's a blog??!) Marron

Blogs are Weblogs. Online journals that the whole world can read, as long
as they know your address. The whole point is to put information out one
time, and all your friends read it.

See: livejournal.com or blogger.com

Les
>

[Mike Marron]

>"Gene Storey" > wrote:
>"Mike Marron" > wrote:
>>>"Phineas Pinkham" > wrote:

>>>No wonder Rasimus is foaming at the mouth!
>>>He isn't checked out in Choppers, so no part in the movie.

>> I grew up witnessing the enviable dynamics that goes on
>> when a woman is in the presence of a decorated fighter pilot...

>Hi, my name is "Maverick."

>"Your mother named you Maverick!"

He did receive a similiar response once (actually, it was even
worse) after tipping a barmaid's [ahem] cleavage...

-Mike (oh well, ya' win some ya' lose some) Marron

[Cub Driver]

> she's certain to be discharged on medical

She's already out, according to the Reuters story.

Come on! She's a little girl! Cut her some slack, and be happy that
she got through the experience without too much damage, and with a bit
of money in the bank. (The ex-NYT ghost writer will take a part of
that million, you betcha, and the agent who made the deal gets 10
percent off the top.)

Of course, if Mr. Bragg turns it into a rant against the bad military,
I will be really annoyed.

all the best -- Dan Ford
email: www.danford.net/letters.htm#9

see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com
and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com

[Ed Majden]

"Cub Driver" > NEW YORK (Reuters) - Former prisoner of war Jessica Lynch has
signed a
> $1 million agreement with Alfred A. Knopf, giving the injured former
> U.S. Army private the chance to tell her own story, the publisher said
> on Tuesday.
>
>
> all the best -- Dan Ford

Wow! They must be lining up at the recruiting stations to join up!
When I was in Europe stationed minutes flying time away from the "iron
curtain" by CF-104 I too was in a roll over accident. Dam, I didn't think
of writing a book nor was I approached to do so. No medal either, just a
terse discussion with the MP's on return to the base! ;-)
Good luck to Jessie! I wonder if she will get movie royalties also.
Ed

[Tarver Engineering]

"Alan Minyard" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 02:24:22 GMT, "Gene Storey" >
> wrote:
>
> >"Mike Marron" > wrote
> >>
> >> I wonder what the name of her book will be...
> >
> >"How not to use GPS in an RPG environment"
> >
> Or "I got captured and that some how made me a heroin".

heroine

[Tarver Engineering]

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
hlink.net...
>
> "Ed Rasimus" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Cub Driver > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >NEW YORK (Reuters) - Former prisoner of war Jessica Lynch has signed a
> > >$1 million agreement with Alfred A. Knopf, giving the injured former
> > >U.S. Army private the chance to tell her own story, the publisher said
> > >on Tuesday.
> > >
> > While I don't begrudge her the money, the choice of a questionable
> > ghost writer, released from the NYT for by-lining a story written by a
> > free-lancer means the whole project will be discredited.
>
> I agree, and I have a problem with the whole thing really. Like you, I
don't
> begrudge her the money, but there are mitigating circumstances to her
"hero"
> status to begin with.

I think Jessica has cause to put her story out, after the way BBC has
trashed her.

[Tarver Engineering]

"Mike Marron" > wrote in message
...
> >"Phineas Pinkham" > wrote:
>
> >No wonder Rasimus is foaming at the mouth!
> >He isn't checked out in Choppers, so no part in the movie.
>
> I grew up witnessing the enviable dynamics that goes on
> when a woman is in the presence of a decorated fighter pilot...

Pilots tend to merry matronly stable women.

Another Marron fantasy flushed ...

[[email protected]]

"Tarver Engineering" > wrote:

>
>"Alan Minyard" > wrote
>> >
>> Or "I got captured and that some how made me a heroin".
>
>heroine
>

C'mon John, I'm pretty sure that Alan meant that to be 'heroin'.
:)
--

-Gord.

[Andrew Chaplin]

Dave Kearton wrote:
>
> "Gord Beaman" > wrote in message
> ...
> | "Tarver Engineering" > wrote:
> |
> | >
> | >"Alan Minyard" > wrote
> | >> >
> | >> Or "I got captured and that some how made me a heroin".
> | >
> | >heroine
> | >
> |
> | C'mon John, I'm pretty sure that Alan meant that to be 'heroin'.
> | :)
> | --
> |
> | -Gord.
>
> <<snort>>

No, it's best injected; cocaine is snorted.
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)

[Dave Kearton]

"Andrew Chaplin" > wrote in message
...
| Dave Kearton wrote:
| >
| > "Gord Beaman" > wrote in message
| > ...
| > | "Tarver Engineering" > wrote:
| > |
| > | >
| > | >"Alan Minyard" > wrote
| > | >> >
| > | >> Or "I got captured and that some how made me a heroin".
| > | >
| > | >heroine
| > | >
| > |
| > | C'mon John, I'm pretty sure that Alan meant that to be 'heroin'.
| > | :)
| > | --
| > |
| > | -Gord.
| >
| > <<snort>>
|
| No, it's best injected; cocaine is snorted.
| --



Thanks - on really bad days here, I lay out a rail of coffee and snort
that.


Usually works after the third one.



Cheers

Dave Kearton

[Alan Minyard]

On Thu, 04 Sep 2003 23:58:59 GMT, "Gord Beaman" )
wrote:

>"Tarver Engineering" > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Alan Minyard" > wrote
>>> >
>>> Or "I got captured and that some how made me a heroin".
>>
>>heroine
>>
>
>C'mon John, I'm pretty sure that Alan meant that to be 'heroin'.
>:)
Actually, John got this one right, mea culpa.

Al Minyard

[Matt Wiser]

"Tarver Engineering" > wrote:
>
>"Dudley Henriques" >
>wrote in message
hlink.net...
>>
>> "Ed Rasimus" > wrote
>in message
>> ...
>> > Cub Driver > wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > >NEW YORK (Reuters) - Former prisoner of
>war Jessica Lynch has signed a
>> > >$1 million agreement with Alfred A. Knopf,
>giving the injured former
>> > >U.S. Army private the chance to tell her
>own story, the publisher said
>> > >on Tuesday.
>> > >
>> > While I don't begrudge her the money, the
>choice of a questionable
>> > ghost writer, released from the NYT for
>by-lining a story written by a
>> > free-lancer means the whole project will
>be discredited.
>>
>> I agree, and I have a problem with the whole
>thing really. Like you, I
>don't
>> begrudge her the money, but there are mitigating
>circumstances to her
>"hero"
>> status to begin with.
>
>I think Jessica has cause to put her story out,
>after the way BBC has
>trashed her.
>
>
And she has good reason. Anyone notice that Chemical Ali was using the
hospital where she was held as a CP? Seems the BBC and Toronto Star reporters
seemed to ignore that little detail, as well as claiming the flash-bang grenades
were blanks. I bet neither reporter had been with a military unit during
the push north to Baghdad, nor had much knowledge of how a POW/hostage rescue
works.

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[Matt Wiser]

"Ed Majden" > wrote:
>
>"Cub Driver" > NEW YORK (Reuters) - Former prisoner
>of war Jessica Lynch has
>signed a
>> $1 million agreement with Alfred A. Knopf,
>giving the injured former
>> U.S. Army private the chance to tell her own
>story, the publisher said
>> on Tuesday.
>>
>>
>> all the best -- Dan Ford
>
> Wow! They must be lining up at the recruiting
>stations to join up!
>When I was in Europe stationed minutes flying
>time away from the "iron
>curtain" by CF-104 I too was in a roll over
>accident. Dam, I didn't think
>of writing a book nor was I approached to do
>so. No medal either, just a
>terse discussion with the MP's on return to
>the base! ;-)
> Good luck to Jessie! I wonder if she will
>get movie royalties also.
>Ed
>
>
The NBC movie almost had her cooperation-it got leaked to the New York Times
and the family backed out. Her story gets the book first, and then a movie
with her input. The NBC movie is being filmed without her assistance. The
Iraqi who tipped off the Marines to her location did get hired as a Technical
Advisor.

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[Cub Driver]

>claiming the flash-bang grenades
>were blanks.

Well, I suppose they are, in a sense. But were the papers trying to
make the point that the rescue was therefore somehow bogus?

There'll be an interesting tension in the Jessie story. Put aside the
macho guys who will never admit that a female truck driver (whatever)
deserves a medal, what about the fem-nazis? They're really in a bind.
They have got to celebrate Jessie as an honest to goodness hero-person
(thank god we got rid of "heroine" before the language police came
along). But on the other hand they are the same ladies who stand
around the intersections carrying signs: No More Neo-Con Wars! (I
particularly like that message: I wonder if they really think Bush 43
is a neo-conservative?).

Maybe it will be a variant of the "hate the sin / love the sinner"
routine. Or maybe the fears of those who have been sniping at the
former NYTimesman will be justified: Jessie will turn out to be a
pacifist?


all the best -- Dan Ford
email: www.danford.net/letters.htm#9

see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com
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[Ed Majden]

"Matt Wiser" > >
> The NBC movie almost had her cooperation-it got leaked to the New York
Times
> and the family backed out. Her story gets the book first, and then a movie
> with her input. The NBC movie is being filmed without her assistance. The
> Iraqi who tipped off the Marines to her location did get hired as a
Technical
> Advisor.
>

Will the other captured U.S. soldiers be getting the same deal? If not,
why not???????
Were they also awarded the same decorations?

[Regnirps]

<< "Ed Majden" wrote:

Will the other captured U.S. soldiers be getting the same deal? If not,
why not???????
Were they also awarded the same decorations? >>

Gee, Did Audy Murphy share his books and movie income with everyone involved?
How about the Germans who were shooting at him? He couldn't have done it
without them.

Mayby Lynch should share with Al Quida and Iraqi Irregualrs?

I don't think so.

-- Charlie Springer

[Cub Driver]

> Will the other captured U.S. soldiers be getting the same deal? If not,
>why not???????

No, because they aren't cute l'il hillbilly girls who had the good
luck to have been photographed standing in front of the America flag,
which photo was widely distributed when she went missing.

Even in our politically correct society, there is no rule that
Hollywood and Madison Avenue must make a movie and ghost-write a book
about everyone.

>Were they also awarded the same decorations?

Probably. The army is *very* politically correct.

all the best -- Dan Ford
email: www.danford.net/letters.htm#9

see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com
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[Steve Roberts]

The two fellows in her unit that ran toward the Iraqi fire, dug
themselves in,fired till they were out of ammo, got clubed over the
head by a bunch of Iraqis, fought them off and then retreated back to
the unit, aqquired ammo, got under the truck for cover and then fought
as long as they could, do they get a million dollar deal as well?

I'm not saying she doesnt deserve it, but when those two troopers
were on the evening TV long after the battle, they described something
much more heroic and interesting then Ms. Lynch. Both of them didnt
think of themselves as heros, and both are still in the service. Both
also expressed a wish that they would have had more combat training
before getting in a mess like that. Think the show was Dateline NBC,
its been a while.


Steve Roberts

[Tex Houston]

"Steve Roberts" > wrote in message
om...
> The two fellows in her unit that ran toward the Iraqi fire, dug
> themselves in,fired till they were out of ammo, got clubed over the
> head by a bunch of Iraqis, fought them off and then retreated back to
> the unit, aqquired ammo, got under the truck for cover and then fought
> as long as they could, do they get a million dollar deal as well?
>
> I'm not saying she doesnt deserve it, but when those two troopers
> were on the evening TV long after the battle, they described something
> much more heroic and interesting then Ms. Lynch. Both of them didnt
> think of themselves as heros, and both are still in the service. Both
> also expressed a wish that they would have had more combat training
> before getting in a mess like that. Think the show was Dateline NBC,
> its been a while.
>
>
> Steve Roberts

And they weren't even in AVIATION service.

Tex

[[email protected]]

"Tex Houston" > wrote:

>> also expressed a wish that they would have had more combat training
>> before getting in a mess like that. Think the show was Dateline NBC,
>> its been a while.
>>
>>
>> Steve Roberts
>
>And they weren't even in AVIATION service.
>
>Tex
>
No but the bullets were flying... :)
--

-Gord.

[Matt Wiser]

"Ed Majden" > wrote:
>
>"Matt Wiser" > >
>> The NBC movie almost had her cooperation-it
>got leaked to the New York
>Times
>> and the family backed out. Her story gets
>the book first, and then a movie
>> with her input. The NBC movie is being filmed
>without her assistance. The
>> Iraqi who tipped off the Marines to her location
>did get hired as a
>Technical
>> Advisor.
>>
>
> Will the other captured U.S. soldiers be
>getting the same deal? If not,
>why not???????
>Were they also awarded the same decorations?
>
>
The other former POWs have gotten offers to a lesser degree, but their
story will likely be told in a book about the whole 507th's experience. The
two AH-64 drivers held with them have told their story to Dan Rather, and
their account will likely be in the same book (they were held with the five
others from Jessica's unit). They can't acccept a book or movie deal while
on active duty due to military ethics regs, but once they leave the service,
they are free to do so, as Jessica did.
Regarding decorations: four of the five from the 507th got the same medals
Jessica did: Bronze Star, Purple Heart, and POW medal. One other got the
latter two, and a Silver Star in place of the Bronze Star. No info on what
the Apache guys got, yet.

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[John Keeney]

"Steve Roberts" > wrote in message
om...
> The two fellows in her unit that ran toward the Iraqi fire, dug
> themselves in,fired till they were out of ammo, got clubed over the
> head by a bunch of Iraqis, fought them off and then retreated back to
> the unit, aqquired ammo, got under the truck for cover and then fought
> as long as they could, do they get a million dollar deal as well?
>
> I'm not saying she doesnt deserve it, but when those two troopers
> were on the evening TV long after the battle, they described something
> much more heroic and interesting then Ms. Lynch. Both of them didnt
> think of themselves as heros, and both are still in the service. Both
> also expressed a wish that they would have had more combat training
> before getting in a mess like that. Think the show was Dateline NBC,
> its been a while.

Steve, mind if I ask what the point of all this carping is?
The money she is getting is based on somebody's expectation
of making a profit from it. You want somebody else to get
a big bucks deal, fine, break out your money and give it to'em.

It's not that I don't have any sympathy for you point of view,
but <sheee>.....

[David Lentz]

Regnirps wrote:
>
> << "Ed Majden" wrote:
>
> Will the other captured U.S. soldiers be getting the same deal? If not,
> why not???????
> Were they also awarded the same decorations? >>
>
> Gee, Did Audy Murphy share his books and movie income with everyone involved?
> How about the Germans who were shooting at him? He couldn't have done it
> without them.
>
> Mayby Lynch should share with Al Quida and Iraqi Irregualrs?

Audi Murphy.

David