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Peter Kemp

September 8th 03, 08:58 PM

robert arndt

September 9th 03, 01:59 AM

Peter Kemp <peter_n_kempathotmaildotcom> wrote in message >...
> On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 15:58:35 +0200, "Peter Glasø" <pgglaso @
> broadpark.no> wrote:
>
> >
> >Apparently,the austrian politician Anton Gaal has quoted an article in Der
> >Spiegel,saying the eurofighter won't be allowed to take off in conditions
> >f -5 degrees celsius,or in fog.Sounds rather incredible - what may be the
> >reason for this? If it is true.
>
> Sounds unlikely for a fully operational EF Typhoon. However, it's
> possible those parts of the envelope have not yet been certified.
> After all, until you're 100% certain about the zero visibility
> equipment you really don't want to be taking off in fog.
>
> Peter Kemp

Oh for God's sakes then... park it next to a B-2 which has the same problems.

Rob

September 9th 03, 09:32 AM

>
>
>Oh for God's sakes then... park it next to a B-2 which has the same problems.
>
>Rob
>
>
You might want to add rain as part of the weather conditions.

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Erik Plagen

September 9th 03, 01:48 PM

"Peter Glasø" <pgglaso @ broadpark.no> wrote in message
>
> Apparently,the austrian politician Anton Gaal has quoted an article in Der
> Spiegel,saying the eurofighter won't be allowed to take off in conditions
> f -5 degrees celsius,or in fog.Sounds rather incredible - what may be the
> reason for this? If it is true.
>

Die Gemeinde Gaal liegt in einem Hochtal am Südrand der Niederen Tauern.
Gepflegte Spazier- und Wanderwege führen hinauf bis in die Alpenregion und
erschließen das prachtvolle Gebirgsmassiv der Seckauer und Gaaler Alpen.

Erik Plagen

September 9th 03, 01:52 PM

"AL" < wrote in message > >Oh for God's sakes then... park it next to a B-2
which has the same problems.
> >
> >Rob
> >
> >
> You might want to add rain as part of the weather conditions.
>
> --
> AL

ÖSTERREICH

Voest-Streit
Grasser: 'Nein zu Bund raus, OÖ rein'

Mängel bei Jets
Verteidigungsminister verteidigt ?-Fighter

VP-FP-Krise
Haupt bemüht sich um 'gutes Zeugnis'

Pflege-Skandal
Häupl lässt alle Altenheime prüfen

Deutsche schweigen: Keine Details zu ?-fighter-Papier
Etliche Nationalräte blitzen bei deutschem Rechnungshof ab
ÖVP sauer: SPÖ-Kritik an der Beschaffung zurück gewiesen

Ein "Phantom-Kauf", der gegen die guten Sitten verstoße: So urteilt
SPÖ-Wehrsprecher Gaal über die umstrittenen Eurofighter und die Anschaffung
für das Bundesheer. Anlass ist ein Bericht des "Spiegel" über Mängel bei dem
Flugzeug, die der deutsche Bundesrechnungshof aufgedeckt haben soll. Auf die
Anfrage mehrerer österreichischer Nationalräte, mehr Details zu dem
Geheimpapier des BRH zu erhalten, blieb man in Bonn allerdings verschwiegen.
Die ÖVP wies derweil sämtliche SPÖ-Kritikpunkte zurück.
ÖSTERREICH

Voest-Streit
Grasser: 'Nein zu Bund raus, OÖ rein'

Mängel bei Jets
Verteidigungsminister verteidigt ?-Fighter

VP-FP-Krise
Haupt bemüht sich um 'gutes Zeugnis'

Pflege-Skandal
Häupl lässt alle Altenheime prüfen

Deutsche schweigen: Keine Details zu ?-fighter-Papier
Etliche Nationalräte blitzen bei deutschem Rechnungshof ab
ÖVP sauer: SPÖ-Kritik an der Beschaffung zurück gewiesen

Ein "Phantom-Kauf", der gegen die guten Sitten verstoße: So urteilt
SPÖ-Wehrsprecher Gaal über die umstrittenen Eurofighter und die Anschaffung
für das Bundesheer. Anlass ist ein Bericht des "Spiegel" über Mängel bei dem
Flugzeug, die der deutsche Bundesrechnungshof aufgedeckt haben soll. Auf die
Anfrage mehrerer österreichischer Nationalräte, mehr Details zu dem
Geheimpapier des BRH zu erhalten, blieb man in Bonn allerdings verschwiegen.
Die ÖVP wies derweil sämtliche SPÖ-Kritikpunkte zurück.

Erik

Peter Glasø

September 9th 03, 02:58 PM

Apparently,the austrian politician Anton Gaal has quoted an article in Der
Spiegel,saying the eurofighter won't be allowed to take off in conditions
f -5 degrees celsius,or in fog.Sounds rather incredible - what may be the
reason for this? If it is true.

--
- An Afghan curse: ``May the fleas of a thousand Afghan camels infest the
crotch of the person who screws up your day and may their arms be too short
to scratch.''

John Cook

September 10th 03, 11:37 AM

On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 15:58:35 +0200, "Peter Glasø" <pgglaso @
broadpark.no> wrote:

>
>Apparently,the austrian politician Anton Gaal has quoted an article in Der
>Spiegel,saying the eurofighter won't be allowed to take off in conditions
>f -5 degrees celsius,or in fog.Sounds rather incredible - what may be the
>reason for this? If it is true.

Its due to the Production Fighters having to do all the tests again to
gain certification, the development/initial production aircraft have
proved the aircraft can do it, and they have been certified to that
level, when the production fighters get some serious fog and rain they
will test them, and certify them.

IIRC One point is the speed claim - that they could only do 2000kmh
and not 2500kmh this seems a bit odd, the Typhoons were only ever
designed to do 2150kmh!!.

so the auditors do seem to have been misinformed/misguided/ and or
politically motivated.

Cheers
John Cook

Any spelling mistakes/grammatic errors are there purely to annoy. All
opinions are mine, not TAFE's however much they beg me for them.

Email Address :-

Eurofighter Website :- http://www.eurofighter-typhoon.co.uk

Peter Twydell

September 11th 03, 08:29 AM

In article >, Peter Glasø
> writes
>
>Apparently,the austrian politician Anton Gaal has quoted an article in Der
>Spiegel,saying the eurofighter won't be allowed to take off in conditions
>f -5 degrees celsius,or in fog.Sounds rather incredible - what may be the
>reason for this? If it is true.
>
>
>
>
>
Don't you ever read the technical posts in this ng?

It's obviously a P1 T0 problem :-)
--
Peter

Ying tong iddle-i po!

John Mullen

September 11th 03, 06:12 PM

"Peter Twydell" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, Peter Glasø
> > writes
> >
> >Apparently,the austrian politician Anton Gaal has quoted an article in
Der
> >Spiegel,saying the eurofighter won't be allowed to take off in conditions
> >f -5 degrees celsius,or in fog.Sounds rather incredible - what may be
the
> >reason for this? If it is true.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> Don't you ever read the technical posts in this ng?
>
> It's obviously a P1 T0 problem :-)

I thought it might be because the splaps would ice up myself.

John

Michael E. Kelly

September 13th 03, 04:37 AM

(robert arndt) wrote in message >...
> Peter Kemp <peter_n_kempathotmaildotcom> wrote in message >...
> > On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 15:58:35 +0200, "Peter Glasø" <pgglaso @
> > broadpark.no> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >Apparently,the austrian politician Anton Gaal has quoted an article in Der
> > >Spiegel,saying the eurofighter won't be allowed to take off in conditions
> > >f -5 degrees celsius,or in fog.Sounds rather incredible - what may be the
> > >reason for this? If it is true.
> >
> > Sounds unlikely for a fully operational EF Typhoon. However, it's
> > possible those parts of the envelope have not yet been certified.
> > After all, until you're 100% certain about the zero visibility
> > equipment you really don't want to be taking off in fog.
> >
> > Peter Kemp
>
>
> Oh for God's sakes then... park it next to a B-2 which has the same problems.
>
> Rob

If they have a problem my bet would be induction icing. Bones and
F-16's have that problem since the inlets are below the aircraft close
to the ground. Basically if you have visible moister below a certain
temperature the lowered air pressure of fast moving air causes the
water being sucked into the inlet to freeze and FOD the blades.
Usually doesn't FOD them out too badly, but can bend blades and lead
to down time. The B-2 wouldn't have that particular problem.

Cheers,
Michael Kelly, Bone Maintenance Officer