"I'll spend your money . . ."

[Walt BJ]

Senator Joe Biden on C-SPAN September 11th pointed out that if the top
1% of the taxpayers in the USA didn't take Bush's tax cut this year
the extra money paid into the Treasury in this single year by the top
1% would cover the 87 Billion Bush has just asked for. FWIW the bottom
I say again bottom ranking income in that 1% rank is a cool 675,000
bucks. He just squeaked in, I guess. Senator Biden promised he will
introduce a bill into the Senate to effect such an action.
Walt BJ

[Gene Storey]

"Walt BJ" > wrote
> Senator Joe Biden on C-SPAN September 11th pointed out that if the top
> 1% of the taxpayers in the USA didn't take Bush's tax cut this year
> the extra money paid into the Treasury in this single year by the top
> 1% would cover the 87 Billion Bush has just asked for. FWIW the bottom
> I say again bottom ranking income in that 1% rank is a cool 675,000
> bucks. He just squeaked in, I guess. Senator Biden promised he will
> introduce a bill into the Senate to effect such an action.

If they would just collect the taxes from people who haven't paid taxes
for the last 5 years, we could fund 10 wars.

The Democratic answer to taxes, is that we need to spend it, and not
let the "we the people" have it. It is also a federalist agenda, where
states can just go to hell.

Ah well...

[Leslie Swartz]

Hmmm . . . better yet, if Walt and his buddy "Plagiarism Joe" just agreed to
remove all of the unconstitutional, illegal, adn extra-constitutional stuff
out of the budget, we could pay for 6 of those wars a year.

*And* get a much larger, fairer tax cut.

*And* enjoy a higher standard of living.

But for now, let's just continue to stick our heads in a bag of dun and
actually consider insipid stuff like "Socialist Joe's" ultra-regressive
theft proposal . . .

Steve Swartz



"Walt BJ" > wrote in message
om...
> Senator Joe Biden on C-SPAN September 11th pointed out that if the top
> 1% of the taxpayers in the USA didn't take Bush's tax cut this year
> the extra money paid into the Treasury in this single year by the top
> 1% would cover the 87 Billion Bush has just asked for. FWIW the bottom
> I say again bottom ranking income in that 1% rank is a cool 675,000
> bucks. He just squeaked in, I guess. Senator Biden promised he will
> introduce a bill into the Senate to effect such an action.
> Walt BJ

[tim gueguen]

"Leslie Swartz" > wrote in message
...
> Hmmm . . . better yet, if Walt and his buddy "Plagiarism Joe" just agreed
to
> remove all of the unconstitutional, illegal, adn extra-constitutional
stuff
> out of the budget, we could pay for 6 of those wars a year.
>
Which is what exactly?

tim gueguen 101867

[Tarver Engineering]

"tim gueguen" > wrote in message
. ca...
> > ...
> "Leslie Swartz" > wrote in message

> > Hmmm . . . better yet, if Walt and his buddy "Plagiarism Joe" just
agreed to
> > remove all of the unconstitutional, illegal, adn extra-constitutional
stuff
> > out of the budget, we could pay for 6 of those wars a year.
> >
> Which is what exactly?

Constitutional entities are Mail, House, Senate, Executive, Military and
Mint; all the Executive Cabinet activities are extra Constitutional.

[Gene Storey]

"Tarver Engineering" > wrote
>
> all the Executive Cabinet activities are extra Constitutional.

Most invented after 1964, and due to federalism, not just Elephant
or Donkey regimes.

Federalism is the enemy of any Democracy. Huge power in unelected
positions with huge budgets, and no oversight. It's just a matter of time
before the federal reserve collapses, and we can start all over again
(those who survive).

[Tarver Engineering]

"Gene Storey" > wrote in message
...
> "Tarver Engineering" > wrote
> >
> > all the Executive Cabinet activities are extra Constitutional.
>
> Most invented after 1964, and due to federalism, not just Elephant
> or Donkey regimes.
>
> Federalism is the enemy of any Democracy. Huge power in unelected
> positions with huge budgets, and no oversight. It's just a matter of time
> before the federal reserve collapses, and we can start all over again
> (those who survive).

Federalists (libertarians) have always battled the anti-federalists and
their Federalism. The basic problem being that the People would never trust
a Federalist govenment, with its concentration of limited power. How do we
know you will be self limiting?

[Gene Storey]

"Tarver Engineering" > wrote
>
> Federalists (libertarians) have always battled the anti-federalists and
> their Federalism.

What the hell are you smoking?

"anti-federalists and their Federalism." What the **** is that ****?

[Tarver Engineering]

"Gene Storey" > wrote in message
...
> "Tarver Engineering" > wrote
> >
> > Federalists (libertarians) have always battled the anti-federalists and
> > their Federalism.
>
> What the hell are you smoking?
>
> "anti-federalists and their Federalism." What the **** is that ****?

Federalism is the return of power to the States, which was originally an
anti-federalist initiative. Jefferson dubbed the anti-federalists
"republicans" and then formed the Democratic Republican Party. Federalists
(libertarins) did not want State fifedoms and opposed the Bill of Rights.

[Walt BJ]

"Tarver Engineering" > wrote in message news:<3f611ad2
SNIP:
> Federalism is the return of power to the States, which was originally an
> anti-federalist initiative. Jefferson dubbed the anti-federalists
> "republicans" and then formed the Democratic Republican Party. Federalists
> (libertarins) did not want State fifedoms and opposed the Bill of Rights.
SNIP:

And so we have the basket case of the USA, 50th in the great majority
of categories, Alabama, the spark plug for a lot of the USG's
mandates. I've been down there a couple times in December and guess
what? The state didn't have enough money to pay their teachers - both
times! - and Christmas was coming up.
California's now working on joining Alabama.
Walt BJ

[Tarver Engineering]

"Walt BJ" > wrote in message
om...
> "Tarver Engineering" > wrote in message news:<3f611ad2
> SNIP:
> > Federalism is the return of power to the States, which was originally an
> > anti-federalist initiative. Jefferson dubbed the anti-federalists
> > "republicans" and then formed the Democratic Republican Party.
Federalists
> > (libertarins) did not want State fifedoms and opposed the Bill of
Rights.
> SNIP:
>
> And so we have the basket case of the USA, 50th in the great majority
> of categories, Alabama, the spark plug for a lot of the USG's
> mandates. I've been down there a couple times in December and guess
> what? The state didn't have enough money to pay their teachers - both
> times! - and Christmas was coming up.

We still have people pulling the Federal government three different
directions. Alabama still thinks federal supremacy has not been
established.

> California's now working on joining Alabama.

California is headed third world. The very rich and their servants.

The first thing the Aircraft Certification Office said to Knutson when he
went to get our TSOAs was how glad they are that Skylight did not leave
California. So many airplane related companies have left California that
the ACO is having trouble tracking them. FAA is going to require 6 month
"minor modification" reports, so they can find out where the 21.303
companies have fled to.

[Steve Hix]

In article >,
(Walt BJ) wrote:

> "Tarver Engineering" > wrote in message news:<3f611ad2
> SNIP:
> > Federalism is the return of power to the States, which was originally an
> > anti-federalist initiative. Jefferson dubbed the anti-federalists
> > "republicans" and then formed the Democratic Republican Party. Federalists
> > (libertarins) did not want State fifedoms and opposed the Bill of Rights.
> SNIP:
>
> And so we have the basket case of the USA, 50th in the great majority
> of categories, Alabama, the spark plug for a lot of the USG's
> mandates. I've been down there a couple times in December and guess
> what? The state didn't have enough money to pay their teachers - both
> times! - and Christmas was coming up.
> California's now working on joining Alabama.

What???! It might get *worse*?!

[Tarver Engineering]

"Steve Hix" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> (Walt BJ) wrote:
>
> > "Tarver Engineering" > wrote in message news:<3f611ad2
> > SNIP:
> > > Federalism is the return of power to the States, which was originally
an
> > > anti-federalist initiative. Jefferson dubbed the anti-federalists
> > > "republicans" and then formed the Democratic Republican Party.
Federalists
> > > (libertarins) did not want State fifedoms and opposed the Bill of
Rights.
> > SNIP:
> >
> > And so we have the basket case of the USA, 50th in the great majority
> > of categories, Alabama, the spark plug for a lot of the USG's
> > mandates. I've been down there a couple times in December and guess
> > what? The state didn't have enough money to pay their teachers - both
> > times! - and Christmas was coming up.
> > California's now working on joining Alabama.
>
> What???! It might get *worse*?!

If the recall fails California may as well be flushed. Consider, when Davis
came to power California was the world's 5th largest economy and with the
Clinton bubble, California moved to the fourth largest economy, by last
Febuary California had fallen to 7th place. The State is in free fall and
the Silicon Valley may just be made into a park.

[Leslie Swartz]

Walt, that's a specious argument.

We haven't had a constitutional government in the US since 1865.

Pointing to the failures of a "less socialist state" among "more socialist
states" doesn't say much.

Steve Swartz


"Walt BJ" > wrote in message
om...
> "Tarver Engineering" > wrote in message news:<3f611ad2
> SNIP:
> > Federalism is the return of power to the States, which was originally an
> > anti-federalist initiative. Jefferson dubbed the anti-federalists
> > "republicans" and then formed the Democratic Republican Party.
Federalists
> > (libertarins) did not want State fifedoms and opposed the Bill of
Rights.
> SNIP:
>
> And so we have the basket case of the USA, 50th in the great majority
> of categories, Alabama, the spark plug for a lot of the USG's
> mandates. I've been down there a couple times in December and guess
> what? The state didn't have enough money to pay their teachers - both
> times! - and Christmas was coming up.
> California's now working on joining Alabama.
> Walt BJ

[Tarver Engineering]

"Leslie Swartz" > wrote in message
...
> Walt, that's a specious argument.
>
> We haven't had a constitutional government in the US since 1865.

There are those who see the enforcement of the thirteenth amendment as a
good thing. The forteenth amendmend somehow seems to apply to all but the
second amendment.

> Pointing to the failures of a "less socialist state" among "more socialist
> states" doesn't say much.

Global competitiveness tends to put the lie to your interpretation, Steve.
The exidus of businesses from California is moving at an alarming rate.

> "Walt BJ" > wrote in message
> om...
> > "Tarver Engineering" > wrote in message news:<3f611ad2
> > SNIP:
> > > Federalism is the return of power to the States, which was originally
an
> > > anti-federalist initiative. Jefferson dubbed the anti-federalists
> > > "republicans" and then formed the Democratic Republican Party.
> Federalists
> > > (libertarins) did not want State fifedoms and opposed the Bill of
> Rights.
> > SNIP:
> >
> > And so we have the basket case of the USA, 50th in the great majority
> > of categories, Alabama, the spark plug for a lot of the USG's
> > mandates. I've been down there a couple times in December and guess
> > what? The state didn't have enough money to pay their teachers - both
> > times! - and Christmas was coming up.
> > California's now working on joining Alabama.
> > Walt BJ
>
>

[Michael Houghton]

Howdy!

In article >,
Gene Storey > wrote:
>"Walt BJ" > wrote
>> Senator Joe Biden on C-SPAN September 11th pointed out that if the top
>> 1% of the taxpayers in the USA didn't take Bush's tax cut this year
>> the extra money paid into the Treasury in this single year by the top
>> 1% would cover the 87 Billion Bush has just asked for. FWIW the bottom
>> I say again bottom ranking income in that 1% rank is a cool 675,000
>> bucks. He just squeaked in, I guess. Senator Biden promised he will
>> introduce a bill into the Senate to effect such an action.
>
>If they would just collect the taxes from people who haven't paid taxes
>for the last 5 years, we could fund 10 wars.
>
>The Democratic answer to taxes, is that we need to spend it, and not
>let the "we the people" have it. It is also a federalist agenda, where
>states can just go to hell.
>
....as opposed to what appears to be the current Republican thinking of
"just spend it. We don't need no stinking taxes."

yours,
Michael


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| White Wolf and the Phoenix
Bowie, MD, USA | Tablet and Inkle bands, and other stuff
| http://www.radix.net/~herveus/

[Michael Houghton]

Howdy!

In article >,
Tarver Engineering > wrote:
>
>"tim gueguen" > wrote in message
. ca...
>> > ...
>> "Leslie Swartz" > wrote in message
>
>> > Hmmm . . . better yet, if Walt and his buddy "Plagiarism Joe" just
>agreed to
>> > remove all of the unconstitutional, illegal, adn extra-constitutional
>stuff
>> > out of the budget, we could pay for 6 of those wars a year.
>> >
>> Which is what exactly?
>
>Constitutional entities are Mail, House, Senate, Executive, Military and
>Mint; all the Executive Cabinet activities are extra Constitutional.
>
Bushwah! Non sequitur.

If "Executive" is a "constitutional entity", how do you conclude that
the cabinet activities (which you yourself call "executive cabinet") are
"extra constitutional" (as if that phrase actually means something)?

You've had this 'splained to you in words of one syllable (or less) before.

Your stubborn insistence in parroting this line of specious crap marks you
as an asshole of great magnitude.

yours,
Michael

--
Michael and MJ Houghton | Herveus d'Ormonde and Megan O'Donnelly
| White Wolf and the Phoenix
Bowie, MD, USA | Tablet and Inkle bands, and other stuff
| http://www.radix.net/~herveus/

[Tarver Engineering]

"Michael Houghton" > wrote in message
...
> Howdy!
>
> In article >,
> Tarver Engineering > wrote:
> >
> >"tim gueguen" > wrote in message
> . ca...
> >> > ...
> >> "Leslie Swartz" > wrote in message
> >
> >> > Hmmm . . . better yet, if Walt and his buddy "Plagiarism Joe" just
agreed to
> >> > remove all of the unconstitutional, illegal, adn extra-constitutional
stuff
> >> > out of the budget, we could pay for 6 of those wars a year.
> >> >
> >> Which is what exactly?
> >
> >Constitutional entities are Mail, House, Senate, Executive, Military and
> >Mint; all the Executive Cabinet activities are extra Constitutional.
> >
> Bushwah! Non sequitur.

No, it is a direct and accurate answer to Tim.

> If "Executive" is a "constitutional entity", how do you conclude that
> the cabinet activities (which you yourself call "executive cabinet") are
> "extra constitutional" (as if that phrase actually means something)?

All cabinet level activities are Congressional authority granted to the
Executive, none of which are in the Constitution.

> You've had this 'splained to you in words of one syllable (or less)
before.

No.

> Your stubborn insistence in parroting this line of specious crap marks you
> as an asshole of great magnitude.

You are projecting, Houghton, as well as ignorant.