activating RW lighting

[Paul kgyy]

This is something I've never learned how to do. Apparently the
procedure is to look up the CTAF and then click the ptt button? Is
there a standard procedure for how many times?

[Peter R.]

On 8/15/2007 5:15:38 PM, Paul kgyy wrote:

> This is something I've never learned how to do. Apparently the
> procedure is to look up the CTAF and then click the ptt button? Is
> there a standard procedure for how many times?

3 clicks will give you low intensity, 5 clicks medium, and 7 clicks high
intensity.

However, some airports only use a subset of these settings. In the US, the
A/FD will typically spell out the non-standard pilot activated lighting
sequences needed to get the lights on.

Oh, and be aware: Some airports provide pilot controlled lighting on a
different frequency than CTAF. Again, the A/FD will include this info.

--
Peter

[Jackal24]

"Peter R." > wrote in
:

> 3 clicks will give you low intensity, 5 clicks medium, and 7 clicks
> high intensity.
>

The AIM also says to start with the 7 clicks to activate the system, then
you can reduce the intensity with 3 or 5 additional clicks. Every airport I
have ever been to does not need this though. Just 3 or 5 clicks is enough
right off the bat.

[DaveB]

On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 03:22:10 -0000, Jackal24 > wrote:

>"Peter R." > wrote in
:
>
>> 3 clicks will give you low intensity, 5 clicks medium, and 7 clicks
>> high intensity.
>>
>
>The AIM also says to start with the 7 clicks to activate the system, then
>you can reduce the intensity with 3 or 5 additional clicks. Every airport I
>have ever been to does not need this though. Just 3 or 5 clicks is enough
>right off the bat.


how bout clap on......clap off?
Daveb

[Jay Beckman[_2_]]

On Aug 15, 2:15 pm, Paul kgyy > wrote:
> This is something I've never learned how to do. Apparently the
> procedure is to look up the CTAF and then click the ptt button? Is
> there a standard procedure for how many times?

AND...

If it's already on when as you aquire the airport...don't assume it
will stay on for your entire pattern!

Be sure to re-activiate it yourself or you might get a suprise on
short final.

(Ask me how I know...)

;O)

Jay Beckman
PP-ASEL
Chandler, AZ

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On Aug 20, 9:22 pm, Jackal24 > wrote:
> "Peter R." > wrote om:
>
> > 3 clicks will give you low intensity, 5 clicks medium, and 7 clicks
> > high intensity.
>
> The AIM also says to start with the 7 clicks to activate the system, then
> you can reduce the intensity with 3 or 5 additional clicks. Every airport I
> have ever been to does not need this though. Just 3 or 5 clicks is enough
> right off the bat.

Depends on the setup. ARCAL Type K is supposed to take 7
clicks to turn on initially, but many will come on at the three-click
low intensity setting. Ours does that, and I have to take some time to
figure out how to get the 7-click to work so that the lights aren't
coming on all the time when there's a lot of short comms between
aircraft. It used to work properly but the electronics have aged and
gotten a little less patient. Like me.

Dan

[EridanMan]

On Aug 20, 10:13 pm, Jay Beckman > wrote:
> On Aug 15, 2:15 pm, Paul kgyy > wrote:
>
> > This is something I've never learned how to do. Apparently the
> > procedure is to look up the CTAF and then click the ptt button? Is
> > there a standard procedure for how many times?
>
> AND...
>
> If it's already on when as you aquire the airport...don't assume it
> will stay on for your entire pattern!
>
> Be sure to re-activiate it yourself or you might get a suprise on
> short final.
>
> (Ask me how I know...)
>
> ;O)
>
> Jay Beckman
> PP-ASEL
> Chandler, AZ

There's something about airport lighting coming on that is just
_COOL_... like a starship powering up or something...

I dunno, call me a little kid, but I _LOVE_ Pilot controlled
lighting... Impresses the hell out of passengers too;)

The other night I was coming into San Carlos after midnight... Got a
Midfield Transition over SFO, and then was told to proceed straight on
course to San Carlos (light traffic I suppose) which put me in the
rather unusual position of having a long straight in for 12.

I lined up for final using the highway which runs by the airport, the
Vasi and the Beacon, but I left the lighting off until 1/2 mile
final. Finally, as we passed over the diamond shaped water way, I hit
it, and the entire airport just materialized in front of us like a
science fiction ship de-cloaking... Shocked the hell out of my
passengers, who thought it was the coolest thing they'd ever seen.

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EridanMan > wrote:

> There's something about airport lighting coming on that is just
> _COOL_... like a starship powering up or something...

> I dunno, call me a little kid, but I _LOVE_ Pilot controlled
> lighting... Impresses the hell out of passengers too;)

> The other night I was coming into San Carlos after midnight... Got a
> Midfield Transition over SFO, and then was told to proceed straight on
> course to San Carlos (light traffic I suppose) which put me in the
> rather unusual position of having a long straight in for 12.

> I lined up for final using the highway which runs by the airport, the
> Vasi and the Beacon, but I left the lighting off until 1/2 mile
> final. Finally, as we passed over the diamond shaped water way, I hit
> it, and the entire airport just materialized in front of us like a
> science fiction ship de-cloaking... Shocked the hell out of my
> passengers, who thought it was the coolest thing they'd ever seen.

You want to see impressive, find an airport with the full up precision
approach lighting and if things are quiet, ask the tower for an option
and a demonstration of the lights.


--
Jim Pennino

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[Jackal24]

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> You want to see impressive, find an airport with the full up precision
> approach lighting and if things are quiet, ask the tower for an option
> and a demonstration of the lights.
>
>

Even better is to find one that is not towered and do it with PCL.

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Jackal24 > wrote:
> wrote in :


> > You want to see impressive, find an airport with the full up precision
> > approach lighting and if things are quiet, ask the tower for an option
> > and a demonstration of the lights.
> >
> >

> Even better is to find one that is not towered and do it with PCL.

Be sure to let me know how many non-towered airports with precision
approach lighting you find.

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Jim Pennino

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[Bob Noel]

In article >, wrote:

> > Even better is to find one that is not towered and do it with PCL.
>
> Be sure to let me know how many non-towered airports with precision
> approach lighting you find.

Would KBED (when the tower is closed) and KCON count?

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Bob Noel
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Bob Noel > wrote:
> In article >, wrote:

> > > Even better is to find one that is not towered and do it with PCL.
> >
> > Be sure to let me know how many non-towered airports with precision
> > approach lighting you find.

> Would KBED (when the tower is closed) and KCON count?


No, neither of those airports has precision lights and it's not likely
you'll find them at less than class C.

See the first page of Chapter 2 in the AIM.

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Jim Pennino

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[Doug Semler]

> wrote in message
...
> Bob Noel > wrote:
>> In article >,
>> wrote:
>
>> > > Even better is to find one that is not towered and do it with PCL.
>> >
>> > Be sure to let me know how many non-towered airports with precision
>> > approach lighting you find.
>
>> Would KBED (when the tower is closed) and KCON count?
>
>
> No, neither of those airports has precision lights and it's not likely
> you'll find them at less than class C.
>
> See the first page of Chapter 2 in the AIM.
>


You don't consider a MALSR on an ILS runway to be a "precision approach
lighting system?"

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Doug Semler > wrote:
> > wrote in message
> ...
> > Bob Noel > wrote:
> >> In article >,
> >> wrote:
> >
> >> > > Even better is to find one that is not towered and do it with PCL.
> >> >
> >> > Be sure to let me know how many non-towered airports with precision
> >> > approach lighting you find.
> >
> >> Would KBED (when the tower is closed) and KCON count?
> >
> >
> > No, neither of those airports has precision lights and it's not likely
> > you'll find them at less than class C.
> >
> > See the first page of Chapter 2 in the AIM.
> >


> You don't consider a MALSR on an ILS runway to be a "precision approach
> lighting system?"

I don't remember if MALSR is concidered "precision" or not.

I'm referring to ALSF-1 and ALSF-2 systems.

See the runway lighting info in airnav for KCON and KONT.

KONT has ALSF-2 with centerline sequenced flashers and a 4 light PAPI
on 26L and MALSR on 8L/26R.


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[Doug Semler]

> wrote in message
...
> Doug Semler > wrote:

>
>> You don't consider a MALSR on an ILS runway to be a "precision approach
>> lighting system?"
>
> I don't remember if MALSR is concidered "precision" or not.

OK, in terms of that response:
Can a precision approach include a non precision lighting system? (And
no, I don't know myself, so I can't answer)

The orignal point was that KCON has a pilot controlled MALSR; the point made
in response to a request for non-towered precision approach lighting
systems. That's why I asked if you considered MALSR a precision approach
lighting system. If you don't, then the points are moot, but I would like
to know the answer to my last question...

>
> I'm referring to ALSF-1 and ALSF-2 systems.

I think you should have said that in the first place, because obviously the
original response wrt the pilot controlled MALSR @ KCON assumed that MALSR
*is* precision lighting (with the sequenced flashers as well)

>
> See the runway lighting info in airnav for KCON and KONT.
>
> KONT has ALSF-2 with centerline sequenced flashers and a 4 light PAPI
> on 26L and MALSR on 8L/26R.

I looked at both. None of KONT's lights are pilot controlled. KCON's MALSR
is (along with 17-35 HILR, 12-30 MILR), and nonpilot controlled VASI on 35
and PAPI on 17.

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Doug Semler > wrote:
> > wrote in message
> ...
> > Doug Semler > wrote:

> >
> >> You don't consider a MALSR on an ILS runway to be a "precision approach
> >> lighting system?"
> >
> > I don't remember if MALSR is concidered "precision" or not.

> OK, in terms of that response:
> Can a precision approach include a non precision lighting system? (And
> no, I don't know myself, so I can't answer)

> The orignal point was that KCON has a pilot controlled MALSR; the point made
> in response to a request for non-towered precision approach lighting
> systems. That's why I asked if you considered MALSR a precision approach
> lighting system. If you don't, then the points are moot, but I would like
> to know the answer to my last question...

Like I said, I don't remember if MALSR is concidered "precision" lighting
or not.

There is precision approache and precision lighting, and AIR, you can
have a precision approach without precision lighting.

> > I'm referring to ALSF-1 and ALSF-2 systems.

> I think you should have said that in the first place, because obviously the
> original response wrt the pilot controlled MALSR @ KCON assumed that MALSR
> *is* precision lighting (with the sequenced flashers as well)

> > See the runway lighting info in airnav for KCON and KONT.
> >
> > KONT has ALSF-2 with centerline sequenced flashers and a 4 light PAPI
> > on 26L and MALSR on 8L/26R.

> I looked at both. None of KONT's lights are pilot controlled. KCON's MALSR
> is (along with 17-35 HILR, 12-30 MILR), and nonpilot controlled VASI on 35
> and PAPI on 17.

Since the KONT tower is open 24 hours, why would the lighting be pilot
controlled?

AFAIK, all ALSF sytems are run in -acronym I forgot- mode in good
weather as ALSF mode is really too bright.

In that mode, the lights look like Podunk Municipal.

Having the tower turn everything on while on approach is dramatic; that
was my point.

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[Jackal24]

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> Be sure to let me know how many non-towered airports with precision
> approach lighting you find.
>

HPB KSM HOM are three I know of off the top of my head. (HPB is an ODALS
though).