avionics book reference and question

[mah]

Been following several threads here in rec.av.mil and rec.av.mil.naval
on technology issues. Thanks to all those keeping the signal to noise
ratio in a correct balance.

Just finished reading Avionics Navaigation Systems by Myron Kayton &
Walter Freid. I'd recommend it to anyone who want to know the nuts and
bolts of how the diferent systems work. Be ready to do derivitive
calculus. (I hadn't realized how much I had forgotten). Got the book
as a response to the questions posed here by the contributors.

BTW - According to this text, pitot tubes measure the dynamic pressure
and have nothing to do with the type of engine installed.

MAH

[B2431]

>
>BTW - According to this text, pitot tubes measure the dynamic pressure
>and have nothing to do with the type of engine installed.
>
>MAH

Only one person ever to have lived has said otherwise.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

[[email protected]]

(B2431) wrote:

>>
>>BTW - According to this text, pitot tubes measure the dynamic pressure
>>and have nothing to do with the type of engine installed.
>>
>>MAH
>
>Only one person ever to have lived has said otherwise.
>
>Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

I have to agree with you Dan...it's a once-in-a-lifetime
experience too isn't it?...
--

-Gord.

[Tarver Engineering]

"mah" > wrote in message ...

>
> BTW - According to this text, pitot tubes measure the dynamic pressure
> and have nothing to do with the type of engine installed.

That is very nice, scat and go read your book.

[Tarver Engineering]

"Gord Beaman" > wrote in message
...

> >Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

No pension, not retired.

> I have to agree with you Dan...it's a once-in-a-lifetime
> experience too isn't it?...

You don't have to agree with Dan, Gord, but I don't mind you playing the
fool.

[Tarver Engineering]

"B2431" > wrote in message
...
> >
> >BTW - According to this text, pitot tubes measure the dynamic pressure
> >and have nothing to do with the type of engine installed.

> Only one person ever to have lived has said otherwise.

Only every airplane built proves otherwise, Dan.

Did you find that static temperature probe on the F-4?

Bwahahahahaha

[B2431]

>From: "Tarver Engineering"
>
>> >Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired
>
>No pension, not retired.
>

Tarver, prove it or stop repeating the same lies.

Oops, now you will call me names again.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

[Tarver Engineering]

"B2431" > wrote in message
...
> >From: "Tarver Engineering"
> >
> >> >Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired
> >
> >No pension, not retired.
> >
>
> Tarver, prove it or stop repeating the same lies.

Why do you lie, Dan?

[B2431]

>From: "Tarver Engineering"
>Date: 10/4/2003 3:21 PM Central Daylight Time
>Message-id: >
>
>
>"B2431" > wrote in message
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>> >From: "Tarver Engineering"
>> >
>> >> >Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired
>> >
>> >No pension, not retired.
>> >
>>
>> Tarver, prove it or stop repeating the same lies.
>
>Why do you lie, Dan?
>
Tarver, I new you couldn't prove it.
On the other hand, if I really cared about your opinion, I could scan my
retirement orders, ID card etc.

You are dismissed.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

[Tarver Engineering]

"B2431" > wrote in message
...
> >From: "Tarver Engineering"
> >Date: 10/4/2003 3:21 PM Central Daylight Time
> >Message-id: >
> >
> >
> >"B2431" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> >From: "Tarver Engineering"
> >> >
> >> >> >Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired
> >> >
> >> >No pension, not retired.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Tarver, prove it or stop repeating the same lies.
> >
> >Why do you lie, Dan?
> >
> Tarver, I new you couldn't prove it.
> On the other hand, if I really cared about your opinion, I could scan my
> retirement orders, ID card etc.

You could post a check stub and then we would know if the USAF failed to
monitor your incompetence, or put you out on your ass.

You already know I am real, Dan.

[mah]

Tarver Engineering wrote:
>
> That is very nice, scat and go read your book.
>

Done that John. The book is a standard engineering text at a local
university. Came across it while tutoring a couple of students. Using
it to expand my mind and refresh what I've forgetten over time.

MAH, physics teacher (retired)

[mah]

B2431 wrote:
>
> Only one person ever to have lived has said otherwise.
>
> Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

Dan,

I know I'm a bad boy, putting a piece of raw meat over the side of the
bridge to see if something snaps at it.

MAH

[Tarver Engineering]

"mah" > wrote in message ...
> Tarver Engineering wrote:
> >
> > That is very nice, scat and go read your book.
> >
>
> Done that John. The book is a standard engineering text at a local
> university. Came across it while tutoring a couple of students. Using
> it to expand my mind and refresh what I've forgetten over time.
>
> MAH, physics teacher (retired)

That is a good idea, but you may wish to return to the classics, like
Halliday and Resnik where a pitot tube is is described and diagramed. Henri
Pitot's invention measured both static and dynamic pressure and your book is
crap. A pitot tube alone provides the data necessary to instrument IAS.
Books are often written by the ignorant and you may want to have a
discussion with the Engineering chair at the University.

John P. Tarver, MS/PE
Electrical Engineer
California E14066
Washington 31553

Yes, probably way more engineering than anyone at your University.

[Tarver Engineering]

"mah" > wrote in message ...
> B2431 wrote:
> >
> > Only one person ever to have lived has said otherwise.
> >
> > Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired
>
> Dan,
>
> I know I'm a bad boy, putting a piece of raw meat over the side of the
> bridge to see if something snaps at it.

It's ok sock, we are acustomed to trolling idiots at ram.

[B2431]

>From: mah

>B2431 wrote:
>>
>> Only one person ever to have lived has said otherwise.
>>
>> Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired
>
>Dan,
>
>I know I'm a bad boy, putting a piece of raw meat over the side of the
>bridge to see if something snaps at it.
>
>MAH
>
Just watch, Tarver will now go on and on about P1T0 tubes, pitot tubes,
pitot-static tubes, that a pitot tube without static ports provides pitot,
static and temperature data, that the 2 pin electrical connector attached to a
heated tube is used to convey temperature data and that a pitot tube without
static ports is a "pitot port." You will also find he is the only person ever
born that uses the term "pitot port." Further the temperature, pitot and static
data derived from a single pitot tube provides data for TAS and the engine(s).
You will also find out recips didn't have pitot tubes, that jet aircraft didn't
have pitot or pitot-static tubes until one crashed or got lost or some other
BS. You will find he is convinced pitot tubes are also only good for mud wasps
to hide in which is why they "screened" over static ports.

If you ask him to provide proof or cite an independent source for anything he
says he will respond with personal insults and vulgarity instead. If you Google
or use any other search engine to see what he has said in the past you then
become a "Knoyle troll" for some inexplicable reason.

Try this one on him: IAW 1F-4E-06 the WUC for "pitot-static tube" is 511CA,
that 1F-4E-2-5, 1F-4F-2-13 and 1F-4E-4 also call it a "pitot-static tube." See
if he will say those T.O.s are all wrong too. I have a 1F-4E-06 and will be
more than happy to scan the page in question.

Now just watch, I didn't address this to him yet he will spew his usual filth
in my direction. He may even say I was thrown out of the Air Force after 12
years. I wonder why he chose that number. Actually I don't care. <Yawn>

I don't supposed you'd like to go meet him and see if he's like this in person,
would you?

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired