What crashed in front of us today?

[Gordon]

My son was taking his inaugural flight today, thanks to a "Chuck Yeager - Young
Eagle" program at Gillespie Field (El Cajon, CA). He was standing on the wing
of a sparkling red Grumman Yankee, getting his preflight brief from the owner
while various civil and antique a/c came and went on the active, a hundred
yards away. I saw a French thing sitting on the numbers, ready to go but
taking its time. Looked like a Beaver that had been rear-ended by a Potez...
Single engine, shoulder wing, tail of a ... well.. a Potez or Leo - some kind
of twin tail that sure looked out of place on the little 4-6 seater. At long
last, the thing started making the appropriate amount of racket and took off
down the runway. Lex was looking at his pilot - I was looking across the
cockpit at him, toward the runway. My eyes followed the a/c; thinking, that
sure is a slow takeoff.. I don't think the tail ever came up. Answered a
question of Lex's and glanced back - gear is collapsing and its ground looping
to the right, as if he aborted the T/O and tried to turn off with too much
speed. Fire truck rolled quickly to the scene, luckily no meat wagon was
called.

After a short wait, the field announced everything was good and Lex and his
pilot took off, past the forlorn, wing-down kite. 15 minutes later, they
landed (he loved it) and taxied past the French-marked a/c, coming back with a
smile. My wife should stop beating me shortly ("YOU SENT HIM UP AFTER THE
PLANE IN FRONT OF HIM_CRASHED_?"). I tried to make her understand that
mathematically, the chancesOWW Owww OWWW

ahem. Anyway - two questions: everyone ok? and what the heck was it?

v/r
Gordon
<====(A+C====>
USN SAR Aircrew

"Got anything on your radar, SENSO?"
"Nothing but my forehead, sir."

[ArVa]

"Gordon" > a écrit dans le message de
...

[snip]
> ahem. Anyway - two questions: everyone ok? and what the heck was it?

Hello,

Did it look anything like that? :

http://caea.free.fr/fr/coll/broussard.html


ArVa

[Mortimer Schnerd, RN]

Gordon wrote:
> After a short wait, the field announced everything was good and Lex
> and his pilot took off, past the forlorn, wing-down kite. 15 minutes
> later, they landed (he loved it) and taxied past the French-marked
> a/c, coming back with a smile. My wife should stop beating me
> shortly ("YOU SENT HIM UP AFTER THE PLANE IN FRONT OF
> HIM_CRASHED_?"). I tried to make her understand that mathematically,
> the chancesOWW Owww OWWW


If it had been my wife there would be only one thing to say to her: "BITCH,
BITCH, BITCH !!!!"

Of course, I would say it as I was rapidly departing the scene. Congrats on
your son's first flight.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN


http://www.mortimerschnerd.com

[Tarver Engineering]

"Gordon" > wrote in message
...
> My son was taking his inaugural flight today, thanks to a "Chuck Yeager -
Young
> Eagle" program at Gillespie Field (El Cajon, CA). He was standing on the
wing
> of a sparkling red Grumman Yankee, getting his preflight brief from the
owner
> while various civil and antique a/c came and went on the active, a hundred
> yards away. I saw a French thing sitting on the numbers, ready to go but
> taking its time. Looked like a Beaver that had been rear-ended by a
Potez...
> Single engine, shoulder wing, tail of a ... well.. a Potez or Leo - some
kind
> of twin tail that sure looked out of place on the little 4-6 seater. At
long
> last, the thing started making the appropriate amount of racket and took
off
> down the runway. Lex was looking at his pilot - I was looking across the
> cockpit at him, toward the runway. My eyes followed the a/c; thinking,
that
> sure is a slow takeoff.. I don't think the tail ever came up. Answered a
> question of Lex's and glanced back - gear is collapsing and its ground
looping
> to the right, as if he aborted the T/O and tried to turn off with too much
> speed. Fire truck rolled quickly to the scene, luckily no meat wagon was
> called.
>
> After a short wait, the field announced everything was good and Lex and
his
> pilot took off, past the forlorn, wing-down kite. 15 minutes later, they
> landed (he loved it) and taxied past the French-marked a/c, coming back
with a
> smile. My wife should stop beating me shortly ("YOU SENT HIM UP AFTER THE
> PLANE IN FRONT OF HIM_CRASHED_?"). I tried to make her understand that
> mathematically, the chancesOWW Owww OWWW
>
> ahem. Anyway - two questions: everyone ok? and what the heck was it?

Small GA is less safe than operating a motorcycle, on the road. (US) What
you were doing was never the safest thing. What would she say if you let
him go as a passenger on a motorcycle?

[Mike Marron]

(Gordon) wrote:

>My son was taking his inaugural flight today, thanks to a "Chuck Yeager - Young
>Eagle" program at Gillespie Field (El Cajon, CA). He was standing on the wing
>of a sparkling red Grumman Yankee, getting his preflight brief from the owner
>while various civil and antique a/c came and went on the active, a hundred
>yards away. I saw a French thing sitting on the numbers, ready to go but
>taking its time. Looked like a Beaver that had been rear-ended by a Potez...
>Single engine, shoulder wing, tail of a ... well.. a Potez or Leo - some kind
>of twin tail that sure looked out of place on the little 4-6 seater. At long
>last, the thing started making the appropriate amount of racket and took off
>down the runway. Lex was looking at his pilot - I was looking across the
>cockpit at him, toward the runway. My eyes followed the a/c; thinking, that
>sure is a slow takeoff.. I don't think the tail ever came up. Answered a
>question of Lex's and glanced back - gear is collapsing and its ground looping
>to the right, as if he aborted the T/O and tried to turn off with too much
>speed. Fire truck rolled quickly to the scene, luckily no meat wagon was
>called.

>After a short wait, the field announced everything was good and Lex and his
>pilot took off, past the forlorn, wing-down kite. 15 minutes later, they
>landed (he loved it) and taxied past the French-marked a/c, coming back with a
>smile. My wife should stop beating me shortly ("YOU SENT HIM UP AFTER THE
>PLANE IN FRONT OF HIM_CRASHED_?"). I tried to make her understand that
>mathematically, the chancesOWW Owww OWWW

>ahem. Anyway - two questions: everyone ok? and what the heck was it?

Let's see...your description of the "crashed" airplane:

"Looked like a Beaver that had been rear-ended by a Potez...
Single engine, shoulder wing, tail of a ... well.. a Potez or Leo -
some kind of twin tail that sure looked out of place on the little
4-6 seater."

Bellanca Cruiseair w/French markings? Who knows (afraid you haven't
given us enuff info to go on). As an aside, the EAA's "Young Eagles"
program is a noble endeavor and I'm glad your son enjoyed his FREE
inaugeral flight. However, although Yeager is doing a bang up job,
Yeager didn't start the Young Eagle's program and the first spokesman
was actually Cliff Roberston.

In any event, there was no such thang as a "free ride" back in my day
(by gawd!;)) and if I didn't have the moolah to go fly I'd have to
EARN it by mowing lawns or something. It astounds me how fantastically
rich EAA has gotten over the years largely thanks to 100-percent
voluntary, unpaid, aviation enthusiasts (or $uckers?) I suppose
Poberenzy has to come up with some way to pay for all his expensive
toys (P-51's etc.) and the thousands of gallons of fuel it takes to
make 'em work. Don't get me wrong as I've given an untold amount of
"pro bono" intro rides to young and "old" folks alike. As a CFI
actually trained a few 16-year old kids to the private pilot level
(compensated, of course). Young Eagle or no, I'm always willing to
take some youngun up for a spin and safely bring him or her back
down to momma or papa with big ol' ****-eatin' grin on their cherub
little faces.

But these days whenever I fly my sleek trike with its "techno-modern"
look and *spectacular* performance into an airshow, kids of ALL ages
look and start heading my way. Nothing against GA planes and old
warbirds, but it's interesting how quickly a modern ultralight trike
(in my case, a trike with a relatively powerful 4-cylinder, 4-stroke
engine with a bona fide N-number on it!) grabs folks attention away
from the usual GA fare. We've all seen 'em before..the usual
assortment of vintage trainers such as BT-13's, T-6's, Stearman's,
T-28's etc. [yawn] along with the boring, underpowered, hot and
cramped Cessnas, Pipers, Beeches et. al. tired old spamcans
[even bigger YAWN]

Or....that French looking plane that you said could hardly get out of
its own way [HO HUM]

Now, if you really want to impress your son, ask Poberenzy or some
EAA high roller to take your kid up in the EAA Official P-51 that
supposedly belongs to all us loyal EAA dues-paying members
[ya right] They'd probably look at you as if you're an idiot or
something even for asking! ;))

-Mike (Trikes RULE) Marron
EAA#563411Fixed-wing, weightshift Land/Sea Instructor
Comm, Multi-engine, Instrument/Land
A&P
CFII

[Gordon]

>
>Did it look anything like that? :
>
>http://caea.free.fr/fr/coll/broussard.html

That's it! Hope it wasn't mangled too badly.. :(

Thanks, Arva. As soon as the image loaded, my son said, "That's it!"

v/r
Gordon

[Gordon]

>Small GA is less safe than operating a motorcycle, on the road. (US)

Seriously? I've seen a heck of a lot more downed motorcycles than GA a/c.

> What
>you were doing was never the safest thing.

I'm supposed to raise him, not keep him in a bubble. For years he's stood by
the runway, watching me step out of various aircraft with a giant-sized
s-eating grin on my face, telling him, "Sorry, you aren't tall enough for this
ride." Under the tutetage of a 7,000-hour TWA Captain in his personal
aircraft, meticulously maintained since he purchased it in 1976, it seemed a
more responsible than handing him to a leather-clad biker on a Ninja.

> What would she say if you let
>him go as a passenger on a motorcycle?

My son and I have a deal - he never gets on a motorcycle while I am alive, and
in return, I will never break his legs. The worst moment of my life has been
telling parents that their son was killed on his bike (hit by dozens of cars at
the I-5/I-8 interchange). I can't protect him from life, but I couldn't take
re-living that particular moment from other side of the desk.

Gordon

[Gordon]

>Congrats on
>your son's first flight.

Thanks, Mort. He isn't the personality sort that will ever be comfortable
doing a rotor-over from the safety of the doorway of a Seasprite, but at least
he can share some great moments with his friends at school tomorrow.

v/r
Gordon

[Gordon]

RIP Alexander Bagtas, PO3 USN. Not a name I'll ever forget, even though I
never met him.

[Tarver Engineering]

"Gordon" > wrote in message
...
> >Small GA is less safe than operating a motorcycle, on the road. (US)
>
> Seriously? I've seen a heck of a lot more downed motorcycles than GA a/c.

I believe the small GA pilots association has the accident rate on their
website. Perhaps coinicidentally, the number killed last year was lower in
a trend began with FAA allowing EAA to exercise some exception to the
Aircraft Certification Office, as long as their was some MIDO inspection.

> > What
> >you were doing was never the safest thing.
>
> I'm supposed to raise him, not keep him in a bubble. For years he's stood
by
> the runway, watching me step out of various aircraft with a giant-sized
> s-eating grin on my face, telling him, "Sorry, you aren't tall enough for
this
> ride." Under the tutetage of a 7,000-hour TWA Captain in his personal
> aircraft, meticulously maintained since he purchased it in 1976, it seemed
a
> more responsible than handing him to a leather-clad biker on a Ninja.

From a probability of death occuring the biker was the safer choice.

> > What would she say if you let
> >him go as a passenger on a motorcycle?
>
> My son and I have a deal - he never gets on a motorcycle while I am alive,
and
> in return, I will never break his legs. The worst moment of my life has
been
> telling parents that their son was killed on his bike (hit by dozens of
cars at
> the I-5/I-8 interchange). I can't protect him from life, but I couldn't
take
> re-living that particular moment from other side of the desk.

I believe the realization that small GA is less safe than people expected is
a contributing factor in the trend down from 3000 deaths per annum to 526
last year. There is also the lawsuit factor, for which small GA tends to
bankrupt manuracturers; mostly based on a spouses' unrealistic expectations.

[Steve Hix]

In article >,
(Gordon) wrote:

> >Small GA is less safe than operating a motorcycle, on the road. (US)

Cite?

Having operated both over about 20 years, I don't beleive it for a
moment.

> Seriously? I've seen a heck of a lot more downed motorcycles than GA a/c.
>
> > What you were doing was never the safest thing.
>
> I'm supposed to raise him, not keep him in a bubble. For years he's stood by
> the runway, watching me step out of various aircraft with a giant-sized
> s-eating grin on my face, telling him, "Sorry, you aren't tall enough for this
> ride." Under the tutetage of a 7,000-hour TWA Captain in his personal
> aircraft, meticulously maintained since he purchased it in 1976, it seemed a
> more responsible than handing him to a leather-clad biker on a Ninja.

You did good Gordon. I envy your son, being as there is nothing much to
match the feeling of your first flight (passenger or not).

Of course, now the kid is ruined for life. He's going to want to do it
again. And again. ... :}

[Gordon]

>Bellanca Cruiseair w/French markings? Who knows (afraid you haven't
>given us enuff info to go on).

The first responder replied with the id of 'Broussard', which is exactly
correct. Thanks for being so helpful anyway, Mike.

>However, although Yeager is doing a bang up job,
>Yeager didn't start the Young Eagle's program and the first spokesman
>was actually Cliff Roberston.

I don't believe I claimed Chuck started it - but the certificate, auto-penned
by him and with his name right next to the program name, sure makes it appear
that he has a bit more to do with it than Cliff presently. Perhaps the reason
why is that folks automatically associate Chuck with flight, and, no slam
against Cliff, he is known primarily for his acting.

>In any event, there was no such thang as a "free ride" back in my day
>(by gawd!;)) and if I didn't have the moolah to go fly I'd have to
>EARN it by mowing lawns or something.

No kidding? You must be *damn* old to pre-date CAP and their 60-year record of
free flights for youngsters.

<snip rest of the post that turns my son's first flight experience into an "All
About Mike" post>

So you couldn't answer either question that I asked, told me its my fault you
couldn't answer it, then spent half a page telling us all about your issues
with EAA, and your trike and why its somehow better than what everybody else
flies. Does that sum it up?

> We've all seen 'em before..the usual
>assortment of vintage trainers such as BT-13's, T-6's, Stearman's,
>T-28's etc. [yawn]

In the 'world according to Mike', there are fabulous trikes, and everything
else pales. I get it. We all get it.

>along with the boring, underpowered, hot and
>cramped Cessnas, Pipers, Beeches et. al. tired old spamcans
>[even bigger YAWN]

Luckily, I got my son a ride in a gorgeous Grumman Yankee. I know you'll have
a disparaging comment about it too, but it won't diminish it, or my son's
exciting experience.

What I AM learning from you is that my own ride, the SH-2F, probably is as
boring for people to read about as your trike. So, it is a growth experience
for me to read your posts after all.

>Now, if you really want to impress your son, ask Poberenzy or some
>EAA high roller to take your kid up in the EAA Official P-51 that
>supposedly belongs to all us loyal EAA dues-paying members
>[ya right] They'd probably look at you as if you're an idiot or
>something even for asking!

My son was greatly impressed by the free ride that EAA provided. No one looked
at us like idiots, no one told us we had to pay to help maintain a warbird half
a continent away - they just gave my son a great experience. I don't
understand why you'd reply to my initial post for no reason other than to crack
on the EAA and every other type of GA except your own.

> (Trikes RULE)

Yeah, Mike, we all got your message. Sheesh.

Gordon

[Tarver Engineering]

"Steve Hix" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> (Gordon) wrote:
>
> > >Small GA is less safe than operating a motorcycle, on the road. (US)
>
> Cite?

Have you visited the AOPA website lately?

> Having operated both over about 20 years, I don't beleive it for a
> moment.

Then you would be wrong.

[Gordon]

>
>Of course, now the kid is ruined for life. He's going to want to do it
>again. And again. ... :}
>

LOL

Steve, I think he actually got it out of his system - at least for now! Of
course, my daughter is another story. We stood under the Atlas ICBM standing
in front of the air museum hosting the EAA yesterday. She looked the giant
rocket over carefully, then asked,

"...Can I ride it...?"

=:x

G

[Tarver Engineering]

"Gordon" > wrote in message
...
> >
> >Of course, now the kid is ruined for life. He's going to want to do it
> >again. And again. ... :}
> >
>
> LOL
>
> Steve, I think he actually got it out of his system - at least for now!
Of
> course, my daughter is another story. We stood under the Atlas ICBM
standing
> in front of the air museum hosting the EAA yesterday. She looked the
giant
> rocket over carefully, then asked,
>
> "...Can I ride it...?"

Perhaps.

[MLenoch]

>Mike Marron

wrote:> I suppose
>Poberenzy has to come up with some way to pay for all his expensive
>toys (P-51's etc.) and the thousands of gallons of fuel it takes to
>make 'em work.

>ask Poberenzy or some
>EAA high roller to take your kid up in the EAA Official P-51 that
>supposedly belongs to all us loyal EAA dues-paying members
>[ya right]

This item of the P-51 seems to stick in a lot of folks craw. Just to shed a
little light on it (facts are facts, how you skew 'em.......well), he
personally bought it when they were selling for under $100,000. He seldom
flies it.........SELDOM! When it does fly, some big wig member is footing the
bill for fuel out of their OWN pocket. (These are facts based on personal
experience with the EAA). This bird is costing EAA members far,far less than a
new Cirrus would cost to operate.
VL

[Mike Marron]

(Gordon) wrote:
>>Mike Marron wrote:

>>Bellanca Cruiseair w/French markings? Who knows (afraid you haven't
>>given us enuff info to go on).

>The first responder replied with the id of 'Broussard', which is exactly
>correct. Thanks for being so helpful anyway, Mike.

No prob. Always glad to help.

>>However, although Yeager is doing a bang up job,
>>Yeager didn't start the Young Eagle's program and the first spokesman
>>was actually Cliff Roberston.

>I don't believe I claimed Chuck started it - but the certificate, auto-penned
>by him and with his name right next to the program name, sure makes it appear
>that he has a bit more to do with it than Cliff presently. Perhaps the reason
>why is that folks automatically associate Chuck with flight, and, no slam
>against Cliff, he is known primarily for his acting.

No argument here and appears you're itching for a fight for whatever
reason. I just stating a simple fact that Yeager didn't initiate the
Young Eagle's program.

>>In any event, there was no such thang as a "free ride" back in my day
>>(by gawd!;)) and if I didn't have the moolah to go fly I'd have to
>>EARN it by mowing lawns or something.

>No kidding? You must be *damn* old to pre-date CAP and their 60-year record of
>free flights for youngsters.

That's very wonderful Gord but you missed my point entirely (goes back
to what I said above regarding you simply trying to start a flamewar).

><snip rest of the post that turns my son's first flight experience into an "All
>About Mike" post>

Suspicions confirmed (Ol' Gord's ready to rrrrrrrrRRRUMBLE!)

>So you couldn't answer either question that I asked, told me its my fault you
>couldn't answer it, then spent half a page telling us all about your issues
>with EAA, and your trike and why its somehow better than what everybody else
>flies. Does that sum it up?

More of the same fighting words. First, I saw only one question asking
about the type of weird French-looking plane that, according to you,
couldn't get out of its own way and crashed. I looked, but damn if I
could find a second question. What was it again? With regards to my
so-called "issues" with EAA and my trike, well, thems YOUR words not
mine.

>>We've all seen 'em before..the usual
>>assortment of vintage trainers such as BT-13's, T-6's, Stearman's,
>>T-28's etc. [yawn]

>In the 'world according to Mike', there are fabulous trikes, and everything
>else pales. I get it. We all get it.

Is that a royal "we" or do you have a mouse in your pocket?

>>along with the boring, underpowered, hot and
>>cramped Cessnas, Pipers, Beeches et. al. tired old spamcans
>>[even bigger YAWN]

>Luckily, I got my son a ride in a gorgeous Grumman Yankee. I know you'll have
>a disparaging comment about it too, but it won't diminish it, or my son's
>exciting experience.

Huh? I remember my first exciting experience in a 172 spamcan around
the age of 10 or 11 years. We (the CFI, me in the right seat, my Dad
in the back seat) took off out of Stapleton Int'l and went up for an
all-too-brief sightseeing trip around the foothills of the Rockies. I
was literally bouncing up and down in my seat barely able to contain
myself -- 'till I looked behind and saw my ol' man calmly sitting
there all sprawled out in the backseat looking like he was bored stiff
(which is undoubtedly was, being the old fighter pilot he was). To
this day, I think he went along just to be amused by my antics, but
either way, the only "disparaging" or "diminishing" fighting words I
can see from where I'm sitting are coming from YOU.

>What I AM learning from you is that my own ride, the SH-2F, probably is as
>boring for people to read about as your trike. So, it is a growth experience
>for me to read your posts after all.

More fightin' words. Somebody **** in your Wheaties this morning?

>>Now, if you really want to impress your son, ask Poberenzy or some
>>EAA high roller to take your kid up in the EAA Official P-51 that
>>supposedly belongs to all us loyal EAA dues-paying members
>>[ya right] They'd probably look at you as if you're an idiot or
>>something even for asking!

>My son was greatly impressed by the free ride that EAA provided. No one looked
>at us like idiots, no one told us we had to pay to help maintain a warbird half
>a continent away - they just gave my son a great experience. I don't
>understand why you'd reply to my initial post for no reason other than to crack
>on the EAA and every other type of GA except your own.

I did not, but you obviously have chosen to respond in a provocative
manner.

>>(Trikes RULE)

>Yeah, Mike, we all got your message. Sheesh.

There ya' go again with the "WE" crap. And I don't believe that you
got the message at all. The message is; for a tiny fraction of the
cost one can fly a trike or fixed-wing light sport aircraft and have
just as much FUN as you have in your Glasair or Poberezny has
in his P-51 or Joe GA has in his Cessna spamcan. And "WE" don't
need EAA or any other organization to introduce newbies at any age
to aviation. Nobody will argue that the "Young Eagles" program is
a noble program, but not at the expense at missing the organization's
charter (my not-so-humble opinion and many others too).
Trikes and fixed-wing light sport aircraft pilots, not EAA or any EAA
"program" are rejuvunating General Aviation. Don't look
now, but the growth of trikes and light sport aircraft over the past
decade has been phenomenal, no thanks to EAA who originally
shunned the light sport crowd in favor of planes costing $100,000 or
more.

Your turn...you go get 'um Gord! Grrr...

[Mike Marron]

(MLenoch) wrote:

>This item of the P-51 seems to stick in a lot of folks craw. Just to shed a
>little light on it (facts are facts, how you skew 'em.......well), he
>personally bought it when they were selling for under $100,000. He seldom
>flies it.........SELDOM! When it does fly, some big wig member is footing the
>bill for fuel out of their OWN pocket. (These are facts based on personal
>experience with the EAA). This bird is costing EAA members far,far less than a
>new Cirrus would cost to operate.
>VL

Far be it for me to begrudge anyone enjoying their expensive toys.
More power to 'em...I, for one, just don't think EAA is everything
it's all cracked up to be (no pun intended).

[Andrew Chaplin]

Steve Hix wrote:
>
> You did good Gordon. I envy your son, being as there is nothing much to
> match the feeling of your first flight (passenger or not).
>
> Of course, now the kid is ruined for life. He's going to want to do it
> again. And again. ... :}

I'll say he did good, all right. It takes me back to my first flight
in a Cessna (150, I think; I wasn't old enough to discriminate) at the
Maxville Highland Games in 1964. It cost my mother $20 or so for the
two of us (a lot out of her budget) for a 15 minute flight and I
really think I was an excuse so my mother could justify going up
herself. I was enraptured. When the pilot turned on final after about
only eight minutes, my mother pointed this out to him, so we did a
touch-and-go and another little jaunt. Certainly the high point of my
life up to that point.
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)

[Tarver Engineering]

"Mike Marron" > wrote in message
...
> (MLenoch) wrote:
>
> >This item of the P-51 seems to stick in a lot of folks craw. Just to
shed a
> >little light on it (facts are facts, how you skew 'em.......well), he
> >personally bought it when they were selling for under $100,000. He
seldom
> >flies it.........SELDOM! When it does fly, some big wig member is
footing the
> >bill for fuel out of their OWN pocket. (These are facts based on personal
> >experience with the EAA). This bird is costing EAA members far,far less
than a
> >new Cirrus would cost to operate.
> >VL
>
> Far be it for me to begrudge anyone enjoying their expensive toys.
> More power to 'em...I, for one, just don't think EAA is everything
> it's all cracked up to be (no pun intended).

Privatization is the future.

[MLenoch]

>Mike Marron

wrote:>.I, for one, just don't think EAA is everything
>it's all cracked up to be (no pun intended).

That is debatable..........sincerely!! I can see why many folks feel this way.
VL

[Tarver Engineering]

"MLenoch" > wrote in message
...
> >Mike Marron
>
> wrote:>.I, for one, just don't think EAA is everything
> >it's all cracked up to be (no pun intended).
>
> That is debatable..........sincerely!! I can see why many folks feel this
way.

EAA has demonstrated excellent political skills.

[Steve Hix]

In article >,
(Gordon) wrote:

> >
> >Of course, now the kid is ruined for life. He's going to want to do it
> >again. And again. ... :}
> >
>
> LOL
>
> Steve, I think he actually got it out of his system - at least for now!

"For now". Exactly. :}

> Of course, my daughter is another story. We stood under the Atlas ICBM standing
> in front of the air museum hosting the EAA yesterday. She looked the giant
> rocket over carefully, then asked,
>
> "...Can I ride it...?"

Excellent!

[Mike Marron]

>"Tarver Engineering" > wrote:

>EAA has demonstrated excellent political skills.

True. Glad ya' pointed that out. But do us light sportsters a big
favor and stick with the "heavy iron" pitot tubes and stuff, OK?

[Tarver Engineering]

"Mike Marron" > wrote in message
...
> >"Tarver Engineering" > wrote:
>
> >EAA has demonstrated excellent political skills.
>
> True. Glad ya' pointed that out. But do us light sportsters a big
> favor and stick with the "heavy iron" pitot tubes and stuff, OK?

Take it to the rah, then.

[av8r]

Hi Andrew

Ahhhhhhh, because of that experience, you ended up joining the Army and
became a bird gunner so you could shoot aircraft down with Blowpipes,
eh??????????

Cheers...Chris

[Alan Minyard]

On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 19:31:47 GMT, Andrew Chaplin
> wrote:

>Steve Hix wrote:
>>
>> You did good Gordon. I envy your son, being as there is nothing much to
>> match the feeling of your first flight (passenger or not).
>>
>> Of course, now the kid is ruined for life. He's going to want to do it
>> again. And again. ... :}
>
>I'll say he did good, all right. It takes me back to my first flight
>in a Cessna (150, I think; I wasn't old enough to discriminate) at the
>Maxville Highland Games in 1964. It cost my mother $20 or so for the
>two of us (a lot out of her budget) for a 15 minute flight and I
>really think I was an excuse so my mother could justify going up
>herself. I was enraptured. When the pilot turned on final after about
>only eight minutes, my mother pointed this out to him, so we did a
>touch-and-go and another little jaunt. Certainly the high point of my
>life up to that point.

Memories, my first flight was in an AeroCommander, circa 1063. It
belonged to a friend of my mother's, so no cost (I doubt if we could
have afforded it). Wonderful a/c, and as I recall a super pilot.

Al Minyard

[Andrew Chaplin]

av8r wrote:
>
> Hi Andrew
>
> Ahhhhhhh, because of that experience, you ended up joining the Army and
> became a bird gunner so you could shoot aircraft down with Blowpipes,
> eh??????????

I am yet another guy whose amblyopia was bad enough to disqualify him
for pilot, yet keep him V1 (actually, 111112, damn it). I could have
gone Nav, but chose MARS instead. My troop commander sent me on
Blowpipe course when I should have been doing the NOIB, so I would up
with my third choice, the Herbies.
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)

[Gordon]

>>No kidding? You must be *damn* old to pre-date CAP and their 60-year record
>of
>>free flights for youngsters.
>
>That's very wonderful Gord but you missed my point entirely (goes back
>to what I said above regarding you simply trying to start a flamewar).

Yor posting made it clear that you felt that getting a free first ride was some
sort of modern invention. If thats incorrect, it sure read that way.
>
>><snip rest of the post that turns my son's first flight experience into an
>"All
>>About Mike" post>
>
>Suspicions confirmed (Ol' Gord's ready to rrrrrrrrRRRUMBLE!)

Mike, I asked two questions at the bottom of my post. What was it, and, second
question, was everyone ok?

>>So you couldn't answer either question that I asked, told me its my fault
>you
>>couldn't answer it, then spent half a page telling us all about your issues
>>with EAA, and your trike and why its somehow better than what everybody else
>>flies. Does that sum it up?
>
>More of the same fighting words. First, I saw only one question asking
>about the type of weird French-looking plane that, according to you,
>couldn't get out of its own way and crashed.

I don't recall saying or suggesting it 'couldn't get out of its own way',
although you've stated that I did now, twice.

I looked, but damn if I
>could find a second question.

1-800-Contacts.

> What was it again? With regards to my
>so-called "issues" with EAA and my trike, well, thems YOUR words not
>mine.

Well, your post was about three lines of answering mine, and several paragraphs
taking shots at EAA. How would you characterize your relationship with them?

>>>We've all seen 'em before..the usual
>>>assortment of vintage trainers such as BT-13's, T-6's, Stearman's,
>>>T-28's etc. [yawn]
>
>>In the 'world according to Mike', there are fabulous trikes, and everything
>>else pales. I get it. We all get it.
>
>Is that a royal "we" or do you have a mouse in your pocket?

Good answer.

>>>along with the boring, underpowered, hot and
>>>cramped Cessnas, Pipers, Beeches et. al. tired old spamcans
>>>[even bigger YAWN]
>
>>Luckily, I got my son a ride in a gorgeous Grumman Yankee. I know you'll
>have
>>a disparaging comment about it too, but it won't diminish it, or my son's
>>exciting experience.
>
>Huh? I remember my first exciting experience in a 172 spamcan around
>the age of 10 or 11 years. We (the CFI, me in the right seat, my Dad
>in the back seat) took off out of Stapleton Int'l and went up for an
>all-too-brief sightseeing trip around the foothills of the Rockies. I
>was literally bouncing up and down in my seat barely able to contain
>myself -- 'till I looked behind and saw my ol' man calmly sitting
>there all sprawled out in the backseat looking like he was bored stiff
>(which is undoubtedly was, being the old fighter pilot he was). To
>this day, I think he went along just to be amused by my antics, but
>either way, the only "disparaging" or "diminishing" fighting words I
>can see from where I'm sitting are coming from YOU.

Let me try then - I think your trike is [YAWN] and [BORING]. You shoot down
what everyone else flies, then act like I am the one that came on with napalm.


>>What I AM learning from you is that my own ride, the SH-2F, probably is as
>>boring for people to read about as your trike. So, it is a growth
>experience
>>for me to read your posts after all.
>
>More fightin' words. Somebody **** in your Wheaties this morning?

You did, Mike. Instead of replying that you had no idea what the French
aircraft might be, my two simple questions brought out yet another "all about
Mike's fabulous trike" reply. It gets old.

>>>Now, if you really want to impress your son, ask Poberenzy or some
>>>EAA high roller to take your kid up in the EAA Official P-51 that
>>>supposedly belongs to all us loyal EAA dues-paying members
>>>[ya right] They'd probably look at you as if you're an idiot or
>>>something even for asking!

That certainly sounds like you were simply trying to help answer my questions,
doesn't it?

>>My son was greatly impressed by the free ride that EAA provided. No one
>looked
>>at us like idiots, no one told us we had to pay to help maintain a warbird
>half
>>a continent away - they just gave my son a great experience. I don't
>>understand why you'd reply to my initial post for no reason other than to
>crack
>>on the EAA and every other type of GA except your own.
>
>I did not, but you obviously have chosen to respond in a provocative
>manner.

....... I believe your initial reply was not nearly as cordial as you now
pretend.

>>>(Trikes RULE)
>
>>Yeah, Mike, we all got your message. Sheesh.
>
>There ya' go again with the "WE" crap. And I don't believe that you
>got the message at all. The message is; for a tiny fraction of the
>cost one can fly a trike or fixed-wing light sport aircraft and have
>just as much FUN as you have in your Glasair or Poberezny has
>in his P-51 or Joe GA has in his Cessna spamcan. And "WE" don't
>need EAA or any other organization to introduce newbies at any age
>to aviation. Nobody will argue that the "Young Eagles" program is
>a noble program, but not at the expense at missing the organization's
>charter (my not-so-humble opinion and many others too).
>Trikes and fixed-wing light sport aircraft pilots, not EAA or any EAA
>"program" are rejuvunating General Aviation. Don't look
>now, but the growth of trikes and light sport aircraft over the past
>decade has been phenomenal, no thanks to EAA who originally
>shunned the light sport crowd in favor of planes costing $100,000 or
>more.
>
>Your turn...you go get 'um Gord! Grrr...

Thanks for the Trike World update. I'm going off to thank the folks that read
my first post and simply gave me good info in return.

Gordon

[Jdf4cheval]

<<
>Small GA is less safe than operating a motorcycle, on the road. (US)

Seriously? I've seen a heck of a lot more downed motorcycles than GA a/c.
>>

Actually, injuries from riding horses exceed those of all other sports
including riding motorcycles. (Trust me - I'm an avid rider who's been bucked
off, and I work with injured riders) However, I admit I don't know how the
stats would match up against GA flying. I believe the horses would still "win"
- they seem to want to think on their own!

[Kevin Brooks]

(Gordon) wrote in message >...
> >Small GA is less safe than operating a motorcycle, on the road. (US)
>
> Seriously? I've seen a heck of a lot more downed motorcycles than GA a/c.
>
> > What
> >you were doing was never the safest thing.
>
> I'm supposed to raise him, not keep him in a bubble. For years he's stood by
> the runway, watching me step out of various aircraft with a giant-sized
> s-eating grin on my face, telling him, "Sorry, you aren't tall enough for this
> ride." Under the tutetage of a 7,000-hour TWA Captain in his personal
> aircraft, meticulously maintained since he purchased it in 1976, it seemed a
> more responsible than handing him to a leather-clad biker on a Ninja.
>
> > What would she say if you let
> >him go as a passenger on a motorcycle?
>
> My son and I have a deal - he never gets on a motorcycle while I am alive, and
> in return, I will never break his legs. The worst moment of my life has been
> telling parents that their son was killed on his bike (hit by dozens of cars at
> the I-5/I-8 interchange). I can't protect him from life, but I couldn't take
> re-living that particular moment from other side of the desk.

LOL! You remind me of my late brother, who flew a few hundred combat
hours in Dustoff UH-1D/H models in Vietnam and returned to the US
where he spent a couple of years as a paramedic for a municipal fire
department and flying for the Guard until he went back to aviation as
a career. He was thirteen years older than I was, and I still remember
at about the age of 16 or so, when I wanted the independence of my own
transportation (but knew the parents were not going to let me have my
own car), deciding that maybe I could afford a motorcycle. Having
picked up the leavin's of more than a few suicide jockeys during his
time, he put his arm around my neck and quietly told me, "Sure, you
can get a motorcycle--but if you do, I am going to break every bone in
your body and save Mom and Dad the worry of waiting for some cop to
deliver the news to them that you killed yourself on that bike." I
never did get that bike.

Brooks

>
> Gordon

[Kevin Brooks]

(Gordon) wrote in message >...
> >Small GA is less safe than operating a motorcycle, on the road. (US)
>
> Seriously? I've seen a heck of a lot more downed motorcycles than GA a/c.
>
> > What
> >you were doing was never the safest thing.
>
> I'm supposed to raise him, not keep him in a bubble. For years he's stood by
> the runway, watching me step out of various aircraft with a giant-sized
> s-eating grin on my face, telling him, "Sorry, you aren't tall enough for this
> ride." Under the tutetage of a 7,000-hour TWA Captain in his personal
> aircraft, meticulously maintained since he purchased it in 1976, it seemed a
> more responsible than handing him to a leather-clad biker on a Ninja.
>
> > What would she say if you let
> >him go as a passenger on a motorcycle?
>
> My son and I have a deal - he never gets on a motorcycle while I am alive, and
> in return, I will never break his legs. The worst moment of my life has been
> telling parents that their son was killed on his bike (hit by dozens of cars at
> the I-5/I-8 interchange). I can't protect him from life, but I couldn't take
> re-living that particular moment from other side of the desk.

LOL! You remind me of my late brother, who flew a few hundred combat
hours in Dustoff UH-1D/H models in Vietnam and returned to the US
where he spent a couple of years as a paramedic for a municipal fire
department and flying for the Guard until he went back to aviation as
a career. He was thirteen years older than I was, and I still remember
at about the age of 16 or so, when I wanted the independence of my own
transportation (but knew the parents were not going to let me have my
own car), deciding that maybe I could afford a motorcycle. Having
picked up the leavin's of more than a few suicide jockeys during his
time, he put his arm around my neck and quietly told me, "Sure, you
can get a motorcycle--but if you do, I am going to break every bone in
your body and save Mom and Dad the worry of waiting for some cop to
deliver the news to them that you killed yourself on that bike." I
never did get that bike.

Brooks

>
> Gordon

[Kevin Brooks]

(Gordon) wrote in message >...
> >Small GA is less safe than operating a motorcycle, on the road. (US)
>
> Seriously? I've seen a heck of a lot more downed motorcycles than GA a/c.
>
> > What
> >you were doing was never the safest thing.
>
> I'm supposed to raise him, not keep him in a bubble. For years he's stood by
> the runway, watching me step out of various aircraft with a giant-sized
> s-eating grin on my face, telling him, "Sorry, you aren't tall enough for this
> ride." Under the tutetage of a 7,000-hour TWA Captain in his personal
> aircraft, meticulously maintained since he purchased it in 1976, it seemed a
> more responsible than handing him to a leather-clad biker on a Ninja.
>
> > What would she say if you let
> >him go as a passenger on a motorcycle?
>
> My son and I have a deal - he never gets on a motorcycle while I am alive, and
> in return, I will never break his legs. The worst moment of my life has been
> telling parents that their son was killed on his bike (hit by dozens of cars at
> the I-5/I-8 interchange). I can't protect him from life, but I couldn't take
> re-living that particular moment from other side of the desk.

LOL! You remind me of my late brother, who flew a few hundred combat
hours in Dustoff UH-1D/H models in Vietnam and returned to the US
where he spent a couple of years as a paramedic for a municipal fire
department and flying for the Guard until he went back to aviation as
a career. He was thirteen years older than I was, and I still remember
at about the age of 16 or so, when I wanted the independence of my own
transportation (but knew the parents were not going to let me have my
own car), deciding that maybe I could afford a motorcycle. Having
picked up the leavin's of more than a few suicide jockeys during his
time, he put his arm around my neck and quietly told me, "Sure, you
can get a motorcycle--but if you do, I am going to break every bone in
your body and save Mom and Dad the worry of waiting for some cop to
deliver the news to them that you killed yourself on that bike." I
never did get that bike.

Brooks

>
> Gordon

[[email protected]]

Mike Marron > wrote:

(Gordon) wrote:

>>I don't believe I claimed Chuck started it - but the certificate, auto-penned
>>by him and with his name right next to the program name, sure makes it appear
>>that he has a bit more to do with it than Cliff presently. Perhaps the reason
>>why is that folks automatically associate Chuck with flight, and, no slam
>>against Cliff, he is known primarily for his acting.
>
>No argument here and appears you're itching for a fight for whatever
>reason. I just stating a simple fact that Yeager didn't initiate the
>Young Eagle's program.
>

Mike, you have this large chip on your shoulder which is really
doing you a big disservice you know.

Can you not see that?...just try going back over these two
excerpts...Gordon mentions Chuck Y. in relation to a great
experience that his son has had, you leap onto that statement
saying "Chuck didn't 'start this service' (which nobody claimed
anyway). Then YOU accuse HIM of "itching for a fight"...y'know,
it's almost funny. You're itching so badly for a fight yourself
and yet have the temerity to accuse someone else of it.

Can't you see that?...I assure you that it's quite visible, and
quite unbecoming too.

Some of us are wondering what (probably mistaken) sense of
inadequacy is causing this.

Is it anything that you'd like to discuss?...

(...just because your 'aircraft' is tiny doesn't mean that you,
as a person, aren't 'up to snuff'...)

<snork...snif>

Sorry, please excuse me.
--

-Gord.

[ArVa]

"Gordon" > a écrit dans le message de
...
> >
> >Did it look anything like that? :
> >
> >http://caea.free.fr/fr/coll/broussard.html
>
> That's it! Hope it wasn't mangled too badly.. :(

Me too. I didn't even know there were some Broussards - which name BTW means
in English 'Bush-man', a rather ironic name nowadays for a French-built
aircraft!... :-) - in the US and I hope that it will be able to fly again
some day.

> Thanks, Arva. As soon as the image loaded, my son said, "That's it!"

Glad to help.

Regards,
ArVa

[Mike Marron]

(Gordon) wrote:

[SNIP]

>Thanks for the Trike World update.

You're welcome. Thanks for the the update on your local EAA
chapter's get-together. Truly warmed the cockles of our little hearts.

BTW, you seem to be insinuating that it's perfectly appropriate for
Gordon to post off-topic chit chat all day long on this NG but not me
simply because I own a trike. For your military enlightenment, below
is a link depicting Gus Grissom and Milt Thompson standing next to an
early trike at NASA's Dryden Flight Research Center:

http://members.lycos.co.uk/hglide/Aus.htm

The Trike World is forever indebted to all the outstanding NASA and
military aviators for their early contributions to weightshift,
flexwing aviation.

>I'm going off to thank the folks that read my first post and simply gave
>me good info in return.

You're welcome, again. Ya' gotta' admit that it wasn't exactly clear
if you simply wanted to chit chat about your local EAA weenie roast
or if you really were seeking information as you claim.

You said:

"Looked like a Beaver that had been rear-ended by a Potez...
Single engine, shoulder wing, tail of a ... well.. a Potez or Leo -
some kind of twin tail that sure looked out of place on the little
4-6 seater."

[Mike Marron]

("Gord_Beaman") wrote:

>(...just because your 'aircraft' is tiny doesn't mean that you,
>as a person, aren't 'up to snuff'...)

Careful Gord, your ignorance is showing again. The wingspan
on my bird is almost 40-ft. wide and she stands more than 13-ft.
tall! In other words, she barely fits (or doesn't fit) in most hangars
built for GA planes.

[Gordon]

>> That's it! Hope it wasn't mangled too badly.. :(
>
>Me too. I didn't even know there were some Broussards - which name BTW means
>in English 'Bush-man', a rather ironic name nowadays for a French-built
>aircraft!... :-) - in the US and I hope that it will be able to fly again
>some day.

I think it will - the back didn't break and it seemed that the damage was
localized to the gear although it was hard to tell through a 300mm lens (it
spun about 400 yards away from us). I've never seen a bird like it and I hope
it was not destroyed as it had to be quite rare.

I did get a laugh out of the name translating into "Bush-man". That rules out
ME ever flying in it!

v/r
Gordon
<====(A+C====>
USN SAR Aircrew

"Got anything on your radar, SENSO?"
"Nothing but my forehead, sir."

[Gordon]

>You remind me of my late brother, who flew a few hundred combat
>hours in Dustoff UH-1D/H models in Vietnam

<snip rest>

I would be deeply honored to be anything at all like your brother. Dustoff
guys, to me, earned a seat next to Mother Teresa on the Holy outbound bus.

By the way, I'm glad to see that someone with his background agrees - I loved
motorcycles in my childhood, but lost that love while laying under a frickin'
Toyota, kicking the door in with my free foot. Its not so much that I hate
motorcycles, I can't stand the cycle/car "interface"!!

v/r
Gordon

[Tarver Engineering]

"Gordon" > wrote in message
...
> >You remind me of my late brother, who flew a few hundred combat
> >hours in Dustoff UH-1D/H models in Vietnam
>
> <snip rest>
>
> I would be deeply honored to be anything at all like your brother.
Dustoff
> guys, to me, earned a seat next to Mother Teresa on the Holy outbound bus.
>
> By the way, I'm glad to see that someone with his background agrees - I
loved
> motorcycles in my childhood, but lost that love while laying under a
frickin'
> Toyota, kicking the door in with my free foot. Its not so much that I
hate
> motorcycles, I can't stand the cycle/car "interface"!!

Hey, I was just supporting your wife's correct intuition. I rode those
hardly diddlesons for 20 years and it was a lot of fun.

[Tarver Engineering]

"Mike Marron" > wrote in message
...
> ("Gord_Beaman") wrote:
>
> >(...just because your 'aircraft' is tiny doesn't mean that you,
> >as a person, aren't 'up to snuff'...)
>
> Careful Gord, your ignorance is showing again. The wingspan
> on my bird is almost 40-ft. wide and she stands more than 13-ft.
> tall! In other words, she barely fits (or doesn't fit) in most hangars
> built for GA planes.

With Marron flying it the whole thing reminds you of the Wizard of Oz; with
its flying monkeys.
>

[Harry Andreas]

In article >, Steve
Hix > wrote:

> In article >,
> (Gordon) wrote:

> > I'm supposed to raise him, not keep him in a bubble. For years he's
stood by
> > the runway, watching me step out of various aircraft with a giant-sized
> > s-eating grin on my face, telling him, "Sorry, you aren't tall enough
for this
> > ride." Under the tutetage of a 7,000-hour TWA Captain in his personal
> > aircraft, meticulously maintained since he purchased it in 1976, it seemed a
> > more responsible than handing him to a leather-clad biker on a Ninja.
>
> You did good Gordon. I envy your son, being as there is nothing much to
> match the feeling of your first flight (passenger or not).
>
> Of course, now the kid is ruined for life. He's going to want to do it
> again. And again. ... :}

Reminds me of my own first flight as an engineering student working at
a company named (at the time) Airwork in Millville, NJ, overhaul and repair
of various gas turbines, such as the Spey, CJ610, etc. circa 1973

Asked by lead pilot if I wanted to go on shakedown flight in Gulfstream II.
Of course he twisted my arm.
It turned out to be Ray Kroc's private jet. I sat at Ray's desk for the flight.
Partial fuel, we sat at the end of the runway while the pilot held it at
full throttle checking engine pressure and temp. The a/c was shaking
and rumbling with the nose pushed down, then....he just released the brakes.
Snapped back in seat with acceleration, a few seconds later he rotates
then we're off and climbing at a fantastic angle.
Still don't know if he did this for my benefit, or if it was his SOP.
Gotta think he was giving me a memorable ride, especially with the plane
so light.
Only about a 20 minute flight, but I found out later that the G II at that time
was the highest performance private jet available. (So they told me)

--
Harry Andreas
Engineering raconteur

[Tarver Engineering]

"Harry Andreas" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, Steve
> Hix > wrote:
>
> > In article >,
> > (Gordon) wrote:
>
> > > I'm supposed to raise him, not keep him in a bubble. For years he's
> stood by
> > > the runway, watching me step out of various aircraft with a
giant-sized
> > > s-eating grin on my face, telling him, "Sorry, you aren't tall enough
> for this
> > > ride." Under the tutetage of a 7,000-hour TWA Captain in his personal
> > > aircraft, meticulously maintained since he purchased it in 1976, it
seemed a
> > > more responsible than handing him to a leather-clad biker on a Ninja.
> >
> > You did good Gordon. I envy your son, being as there is nothing much to
> > match the feeling of your first flight (passenger or not).
> >
> > Of course, now the kid is ruined for life. He's going to want to do it
> > again. And again. ... :}
>
> Reminds me of my own first flight as an engineering student working at
> a company named (at the time) Airwork in Millville, NJ, overhaul and
repair
> of various gas turbines, such as the Spey, CJ610, etc. circa 1973
>
> Asked by lead pilot if I wanted to go on shakedown flight in Gulfstream
II.
> Of course he twisted my arm.
> It turned out to be Ray Kroc's private jet. I sat at Ray's desk for the
flight.
> Partial fuel, we sat at the end of the runway while the pilot held it at
> full throttle checking engine pressure and temp. The a/c was shaking
> and rumbling with the nose pushed down, then....he just released the
brakes.
> Snapped back in seat with acceleration, a few seconds later he rotates
> then we're off and climbing at a fantastic angle.
> Still don't know if he did this for my benefit, or if it was his SOP.
> Gotta think he was giving me a memorable ride, especially with the plane
so light.
> Only about a 20 minute flight, but I found out later that the G II at that
time
> was the highest performance private jet available. (So they told me)

Which of course was an ugly dog, compared to Joan Kroc's GIV, with its
priceless Egyptian antiquities.

[Tarver Engineering]

"Gordon" > wrote in message
...

> I did get a laugh out of the name translating into "Bush-man". That rules
out
> ME ever flying in it!

Don't you lick bush?

[Gordon]

>> I did get a laugh out of the name translating into "Bush-man". That rules
>out
>> ME ever flying in it!
>
>Don't you lick bush?

More into topiary if you know what I mean.

[Tarver Engineering]

"Gordon" > wrote in message
...
> >> I did get a laugh out of the name translating into "Bush-man". That
rules out
> >> ME ever flying in it!
> >
> >Don't you lick bush?
>
> More into topiary if you know what I mean.

I am opposed to denuding the clam.

[Gordon]

Sounds like a hell of a ride, Harry!

G
PS, had Ray gone round the bend at that point..? I used to take tequila
lessons from his bartender, Rick. Ten years on, I have very nearly recovered.

[[email protected]]

"Tarver Engineering" > wrote:

>
>"Gordon" > wrote in message
...
>
>> I did get a laugh out of the name translating into "Bush-man". That rules
>out
>> ME ever flying in it!
>
>Don't you lick bush?
>

Jesus Gordon...be CAREFUL!...:)
--

-Gord.

[[email protected]]

Mike Marron > wrote:

("Gord_Beaman") wrote:
>
>>(...just because your 'aircraft' is tiny doesn't mean that you,
>>as a person, aren't 'up to snuff'...)
>
>Careful Gord, your ignorance is showing again. The wingspan
>on my bird is almost 40-ft. wide and she stands more than 13-ft.
>tall! In other words, she barely fits (or doesn't fit) in most hangars
>built for GA planes.
>

My God Marron...I didn't think that my metaphor was *that* deeply
buried...try again...perhaps you'll catch on now that you have
this rather broad hint. ...

Gollee mistar Dillon...

I assume that you don't chew gum while flying, right?.
--

-Gord.

[Gordon]

>>> I did get a laugh out of the name translating into "Bush-man". That rules
>>out
>>> ME ever flying in it!
>>
>>Don't you lick bush?
>>
>
>Jesus Gordon...be CAREFUL!...:)

I'm not touching that with a nine inch pole!

G

[Mary Shafer]

On 14 Oct 2003 03:09:31 GMT, (Gordon) wrote:

> >>> I did get a laugh out of the name translating into "Bush-man". That rules
> >>out
> >>> ME ever flying in it!
> >>
> >>Don't you lick bush?
> >
> >Jesus Gordon...be CAREFUL!...:)
>
> I'm not touching that with a nine inch pole!

You will notice that I too am resisting temptation.

I'm reminded of a joke about why women tend to overestimate distances,
but it can only be told in person.

Mary

--
Mary Shafer Retired aerospace research engineer

[Gordon]

>> I'm not touching that with a nine inch pole!
>
>You will notice that I too am resisting temptation.
>
>I'm reminded of a joke about why women tend to overestimate distances,
>but it can only be told in person.

Oh, gawd, the ONE person I sincerely hoped would not see this exchange! :X
Sorry, Mary...

yfG

[Dave Kearton]

"Gordon" > wrote in message
...
> >>> I did get a laugh out of the name translating into "Bush-man". That
rules
> >>out
> >>> ME ever flying in it!
> >>
> >>Don't you lick bush?
> >>
> >
> >Jesus Gordon...be CAREFUL!...:)
>
> I'm not touching that with a nine inch pole!
>
> G




Or in Tarver's case, a nine inch pitot tube.




Jeebus, away from usenet for 6 hours and look where it's gone.



Cheers


Dave Kearton

[[email protected]]

Mary Shafer > wrote:

>On 14 Oct 2003 03:09:31 GMT, (Gordon) wrote:
>
>> >>> I did get a laugh out of the name translating into "Bush-man". That rules
>> >>out
>> >>> ME ever flying in it!
>> >>
>> >>Don't you lick bush?
>> >
>> >Jesus Gordon...be CAREFUL!...:)
>>
>> I'm not touching that with a nine inch pole!
>
>You will notice that I too am resisting temptation.
>
>I'm reminded of a joke about why women tend to overestimate distances,
>but it can only be told in person.
>
>Mary

.... yes, you need the descriptive hand configuration...
--

-Gord.

[Harry Andreas]

In article >,
(Gordon) wrote:

> Sounds like a hell of a ride, Harry!
>
> G
> PS, had Ray gone round the bend at that point..? I used to take tequila
> lessons from his bartender, Rick. Ten years on, I have very nearly recovered.

No, he was still fairly young at that point (this is unabashed hindsight,
in 1973
I would have considered him a geezer).

Interesting job, that.

I was really into racing then. One day in early July the Champion Spark Plugs
jet came through for service on it's way to the 24 Hours of Le Mans.
It was also a G II. The pilot and crew offered to take me to the race, but I
declined. I didn't have a passport and would have had to leave the next day.
Splendid opportunity, but I was young and ignorant.

--
Harry Andreas
Engineering raconteur

[Tarver Engineering]

"Dave Kearton" > wrote in
message ...
>
> "Gordon" > wrote in message
> ...
> > >>> I did get a laugh out of the name translating into "Bush-man". That
rules out
> > >>> ME ever flying in it!
> > >>
> > >>Don't you lick bush?
> > >>
> > >
> > >Jesus Gordon...be CAREFUL!...:)
> >
> > I'm not touching that with a nine inch pole!

> Or in Tarver's case, a nine inch pitot tube.

You are one sick puppy, Kearton.

[Dave Kearton]

"Tarver Engineering" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Dave Kearton" > wrote in
> message ...
> >
> > "Gordon" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > >>> I did get a laugh out of the name translating into "Bush-man".
That
> rules out
> > > >>> ME ever flying in it!
> > > >>
> > > >>Don't you lick bush?
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >Jesus Gordon...be CAREFUL!...:)
> > >
> > > I'm not touching that with a nine inch pole!
>
> > Or in Tarver's case, a nine inch pitot tube.
>
> You are one sick puppy, Kearton.
>
>



Gee, thanks John




Cheers

Dave Kearton