Ratio killed /damaged in 1973 war ?

[Goran]

Is anybody familiar with:

- ratio killed /damaged combat ac during 1973 war
- how many of damaged aircrafts is possible to return into the service
within one week,two week ,one month...?

[Garrison Hilliard]

"Goran" > wrote:
>Is anybody familiar with:
>
>- ratio killed /damaged combat ac during 1973 war
>- how many of damaged aircrafts is possible to return into the service
>within one week,two week ,one month...?


Which 1973 war?

[Tom Cooper]

Dan,
according to all the available infos (including different Israeli and
Western books, articles etc.).

the IDF/AF suffered roughly the following losses during the YKW, in 1973:

- between 105 and 115 aircraft shot down

- cca. 236-238 damaged aircraft, of which at least a dozen was written off.

However, for more than 60% of these cases - especially the damaged
aircraft - the actual reason for the loss or damage was never published by
the Israelis.


An in-depth research about every single known case, in which the details
from all the available sources - every _single_ Israeli, Egyptian, Syrian,
and US report about an Israeli aircraft shot down or damaged - were
cross-examined, reveals roughly the following details for the IDF/AF losses
between 6 October 1973 and November 1974:

SAMs (not specified): 28
SA-2: 1
SA-3: 4
SA-6: 22
SA-7: 2
ZSU-23-4: 13
AAA (not specified): 12
MiGs (MiG-17 and MiG-21): 61
Fratricide: 1
Accidents: 2

Total lost: 146

On the first view, this figure appears high, but it should as first not be
considered "definitive": too many things still remain uknonwn. Besides, this
figure includes also the aircraft written off after the landing, or declared
"operational loss" by the IDF/AF in reports to the US authorities, as well
as approximately a dozen of Israeli aircraft shot down after the cease-fire
on 24 October 1973. Namely, despite the ceasefire the fighting continued in
one way or the other for several months (for example, four IDF/AF fighters
were shot down by Syrians on 19 April 1974).

The same method of research revealed details only about the circumstances
under which the Arab SAMs damaged 4, ZSU-23-4s 2, and MiGs 1 Israeli
aircraft, while one additional aircraft is known to have been damaged in an
accident, but repaired later. Under which circumstances were the other 230
Israeli aircraft damaged remains unknown, but over 100 should have been
damaged by SA-7s.

Tom Cooper
Co-Author:
Iran-Iraq War in the Air, 1980-1988:
http://www.acig.org/pg1/content.php
and,
Iranian F-4 Phantom II Units in Combat:
http://www.osprey-publishing.co.uk/title_detail.php/title=S6585

[Goran]

Thks Tom!