Quit Bashing China!

[Bob McKellar]

We see a China that is stable and prosperous -- a nation
that respects the peace of its neighbors and works to secure
the freedom of its own people.


-G.W. Bush

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/10/20031022-12.html

------------

Let's have no more talk of China building offensive
missiles, aircraft and ships.

And let's certainly not make any claims of internal
repression there.

There is nothing to worry about.

Bob McKellar

[Duke of URL]

"Bob McKellar" > wrote in message


> We see a China that is stable and prosperous -- a nation
> that respects the peace of its neighbors and works to secure
> the freedom of its own people.
> -G.W. Bush
>
> Let's have no more talk of China building offensive
> missiles, aircraft and ships.
> And let's certainly not make any claims of internal
> repression there.
> There is nothing to worry about.

Conversations with political leaders I've had convince me that they
must have to have their tongues repaired regularly from having to bite
them. I'm glad I don't have to worry about repercussions from MY
saying something.

[BF Lake]

"Duke of URL" <macbenahATkdsiDOTnet> wrote in message
...

> Conversations with political leaders I've had convince me that they
> must have to have their tongues repaired regularly from having to bite
> them. I'm glad I don't have to worry about repercussions from MY
> saying something.

Ha! You haven't looked out the window have you? The guys who are dressed
like the Blues Brothers who just arrived in the matching black helo are in
your front and back yards right now. They monitor smn of course.

Regards,
Barry

[ZZBunker]

Bob McKellar > wrote in message >...
> We see a China that is stable and prosperous -- a nation
> that respects the peace of its neighbors and works to secure
> the freedom of its own people.
>

Nobody has ever bashed China. Most people only
bash the Republican Party who are not morons
like the Democrats, but rather idiots.

Since the last time China worked to secure the
freedom of it's people was sometime
before they passed a law about family size.

>
> -G.W. Bush
>
> http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/10/20031022-12.html
>
> ------------
>
> Let's have no more talk of China building offensive
> missiles, aircraft and ships.
>
> And let's certainly not make any claims of internal
> repression there.
>
> There is nothing to worry about.

Not many people are worried. Since the people
who can run sucessful buisness' are leaving
the U.S. faster than the Republicans can
kick them out.



> Bob McKellar

[Kevin Brooks]

Bob McKellar > wrote in message >...
> We see a China that is stable and prosperous -- a nation
> that respects the peace of its neighbors and works to secure
> the freedom of its own people.
>
>
> -G.W. Bush
>
> http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/10/20031022-12.html
>
> ------------
>
> Let's have no more talk of China building offensive
> missiles, aircraft and ships.
>
> And let's certainly not make any claims of internal
> repression there.
>
> There is nothing to worry about.
>
> Bob McKellar

Gee, Bob, you must have missed the preceeding passage (context is
everything...):

"Today, America and Australia are working with Japan, the Philippines,
Thailand, Indonesia, and Singapore, and other nations to expand trade
and to fight terror, to keep the peace -- the peace in the Taiwan
Straits."

Taken together with your quote, it looks like what he was expressing
was the vision of the China we (and the other folks who live in the
region) want to see, not what is necessarily there now. I don't find
that vision unreasonable--do you?

Brooks

[Peter Stickney]

In article <YR0mb.5987$9E1.30006@attbi_s52>,
David LOney > writes:
> Bob McKellar wrote:
>
>> We see a China that is stable and prosperous -- a nation
>> that respects the peace of its neighbors and works to secure
>> the freedom of its own people.
>>
>>
>> -G.W. Bush
>>
>> http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/10/20031022-12.html
>>
>> ------------
>>
>> Let's have no more talk of China building offensive
>> missiles, aircraft and ships.
>>
>> And let's certainly not make any claims of internal
>> repression there.
>>
>> There is nothing to worry about.
>>
>> Bob McKellar
>
> Now, The Chinese President has one seven year term, elected by the party. It
> is anti dictator in the one continual nation that has seen more political
> (empirical) takeovers than any other survivmg nation in existence today.
>
> Mao Zedong wanted to ally with the USA but President Eisenhower refused to
> hold an audience. Josef Stalin saw Mao.

That's be a good trick, considering that the People's Liberation Army
had been actively engaged in combat with the U.S. and U.N. forces for
two years before Eisenhower became President.
>
> There really is nothing to worry about unless Korea does go balistic.

The U.S. itself has very little to worry about if the DPRK does Pull a
Cagney (Top O' the World, Ma!). The ROK and Japan would certainly get
mussed up, and the Chinese and Russians have the Great Bad Luck of
being downwind. (Into every life some fallout must rain)
My bet is that if the DPRK goes ape, Japan and the Republic of Korea
will be licking their wounds for a few decades - and the DPRK will end
up being inhabited by rats & roaches. The only extra is whether they
plow salt into the fields, much as happened to Carthage.

--
Pete Stickney
A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many
bad measures. -- Daniel Webster

[Marc Reeve]

Peter Stickney > wrote:

> In article <YR0mb.5987$9E1.30006@attbi_s52>,
> David LOney > writes:
> > Bob McKellar wrote:
> >
> >> We see a China that is stable and prosperous -- a nation
> >> that respects the peace of its neighbors and works to secure
> >> the freedom of its own people.
> >>
> >>
> >> -G.W. Bush
> >>
> >> http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/10/20031022-12.html
> >>
> >> ------------
> >>
> >> Let's have no more talk of China building offensive
> >> missiles, aircraft and ships.
> >>
> >> And let's certainly not make any claims of internal
> >> repression there.
> >>
> >> There is nothing to worry about.
> >>
> >> Bob McKellar
> >
> > Now, The Chinese President has one seven year term, elected by the
> > party. It is anti dictator in the one continual nation that has seen
> > more political (empirical) takeovers than any other survivmg nation in
> > existence today.
> >
> > Mao Zedong wanted to ally with the USA but President Eisenhower refused
> > to hold an audience. Josef Stalin saw Mao.
>
> That's be a good trick, considering that the People's Liberation Army
> had been actively engaged in combat with the U.S. and U.N. forces for
> two years before Eisenhower became President.
> >
I suspect Loney was thinking of Nguyen Sinh Cung aka Nguyen That Thanh
aka Ho Chi Minh. Of course, he also has the wrong president (Uncle Ho is
widely reported as having appealed to the Truman administration for aid
after declaring the Democratic Republic of Vietnam in 1945. Little did
he know he'd already been sold down the river at the Potsdam talks.).

-Marc
--
Marc Reeve
actual email address after removal of 4s & spaces is
c4m4r4a4m4a4n a4t c4r4u4z4i4o d4o4t c4o4m

[Marc Reeve]

Kevin Brooks > wrote:
> Bob McKellar > wrote in message
> >...
> > We see a China that is stable and prosperous -- a nation
> > that respects the peace of its neighbors and works to secure
> > the freedom of its own people.
> >
> >
> > -G.W. Bush
> >
> > http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/10/20031022-12.html
> >
> > ------------
> >
> > Let's have no more talk of China building offensive
> > missiles, aircraft and ships.
> >
> > And let's certainly not make any claims of internal
> > repression there.
> >
> > There is nothing to worry about.
> >
> > Bob McKellar
>
> Gee, Bob, you must have missed the preceeding passage (context is
> everything...):
>
> "Today, America and Australia are working with Japan, the Philippines,
> Thailand, Indonesia, and Singapore, and other nations to expand trade
> and to fight terror, to keep the peace -- the peace in the Taiwan
> Straits."
>
> Taken together with your quote, it looks like what he was expressing
> was the vision of the China we (and the other folks who live in the
> region) want to see, not what is necessarily there now. I don't find
> that vision unreasonable--do you?
>
On a semi-related, but rather OT, note:

Madame Chiang Kai-shek (Soon Mei-ling) apparently died yesterday, at her
Manhattan apartment. She was 106 years old.

-Marc
--
Marc Reeve
actual email address after removal of 4s & spaces is
c4m4r4a4m4a4n a4t c4r4u4z4i4o d4o4t c4o4m

[Olivers]

Marc Reeve muttered....


>>
> On a semi-related, but rather OT, note:
>
> Madame Chiang Kai-shek (Soon Mei-ling) apparently died yesterday, at her
> Manhattan apartment. She was 106 years old.
>

Which gives lie to the old maxim that "The good die young"

(or at least in my father's view, after spending much of '42 thru '45
exposed to the often nauseating peculations of her family and cronies)

TMO

[Rev Prez]

Bob McKellar > wrote in
:

> We see a China that is stable and prosperous -- a nation
> that respects the peace of its neighbors and works to secure
> the freedom of its own people.
>
>
> -G.W. Bush
>
> http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/10/20031022-12.html
>
> ------------
>
> Let's have no more talk of China building offensive
> missiles, aircraft and ships.


The context of this quote is important. Bush's speechwriters were smart
enough to separate China from discussion about Japan and the largely
democratic, free marketeering Asian Tigers and use language that is more
visionary than descriptive. He's not saying China is not repressive or a
potential strategic adversary, but that China can choose to be and most
likely will in the end.

Rev Prez

[Peter Stickney]

In article >,
(Marc Reeve) writes:
> Peter Stickney > wrote:
>
>> In article <YR0mb.5987$9E1.30006@attbi_s52>,
>> David LOney > writes:
>> > Bob McKellar wrote:
>> >
>> >> We see a China that is stable and prosperous -- a nation
>> >> that respects the peace of its neighbors and works to secure
>> >> the freedom of its own people.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -G.W. Bush
>> >>
>> >> http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/10/20031022-12.html
>> >>
>> >> ------------
>> >>
>> >> Let's have no more talk of China building offensive
>> >> missiles, aircraft and ships.
>> >>
>> >> And let's certainly not make any claims of internal
>> >> repression there.
>> >>
>> >> There is nothing to worry about.
>> >>
>> >> Bob McKellar
>> >
>> > Now, The Chinese President has one seven year term, elected by the
>> > party. It is anti dictator in the one continual nation that has seen
>> > more political (empirical) takeovers than any other survivmg nation in
>> > existence today.
>> >
>> > Mao Zedong wanted to ally with the USA but President Eisenhower refused
>> > to hold an audience. Josef Stalin saw Mao.
>>
>> That's be a good trick, considering that the People's Liberation Army
>> had been actively engaged in combat with the U.S. and U.N. forces for
>> two years before Eisenhower became President.
>> >
> I suspect Loney was thinking of Nguyen Sinh Cung aka Nguyen That Thanh
> aka Ho Chi Minh. Of course, he also has the wrong president (Uncle Ho is
> widely reported as having appealed to the Truman administration for aid
> after declaring the Democratic Republic of Vietnam in 1945. Little did
> he know he'd already been sold down the river at the Potsdam talks.).

You've gotta wonder about the kids these days. Hext thing you know,
he'll be ranting about the injustice of teh Charlie McCarthy Hearings.

--
Pete Stickney
A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many
bad measures. -- Daniel Webster

[Cub Driver]

> He's not saying China is not repressive or a
>potential strategic adversary, but that China can choose to be and most
>likely will in the end.

Let's hope so!

all the best -- Dan Ford
email: www.danford.net/letters.htm#9

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[Cub Driver]

>You've gotta wonder about the kids these days. Hext thing you know,
>he'll be ranting about the injustice of teh Charlie McCarthy Hearings.

Indeed. Any educated person ought to know that it was the Eugene
McCarthy Hearings!

(If you want to have some fun with a recent graduate of one of the
better American universities, sidle up to her at a cocktail party and
say: "Say, how many World Wars were there, anyway?"

all the best -- Dan Ford
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