Re: My Modest Proposal to End Global Warming, Revitalize General Aviation, and End Our Dependence on Foreign Oil

[[email protected]]

> Of course, those who still live out in the sticks will need some other
> way to get around. This will be the rail lines, just like in the old
> days, or they will fly, as God intended. New airports will spring up
> like flowers after a rain. Flight instructors will be busy. The little
> planes will no longer bother anybody because everyone will realize they
> are necessary. Aircraft manufacturers will finally have the incentive
> to innovate and produce airplanes in reasonable numbers.
>

If by little planes you mean 4 seaters and such, then I doubt that
they will ever become reliable means of private transport like the
car. Even with an instrument rating it would require a high level of
skill, confidence and time commitment on part of the pilot to use a
little airplane regularly for commuting. Besides, no matter how many
airports spring up, there still remains the problem of getting from
the airport to the work place and back.
If more and more employers and employees work together to find ways to
work remotely from home, it would reduce automobile usage to an
extent.

[Stealth Pilot[_2_]]

On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 06:39:27 -0000, wrote:

>
>> Of course, those who still live out in the sticks will need some other
>> way to get around. This will be the rail lines, just like in the old
>> days, or they will fly, as God intended. New airports will spring up
>> like flowers after a rain. Flight instructors will be busy. The little
>> planes will no longer bother anybody because everyone will realize they
>> are necessary. Aircraft manufacturers will finally have the incentive
>> to innovate and produce airplanes in reasonable numbers.
>>
>
>If by little planes you mean 4 seaters and such, then I doubt that
>they will ever become reliable means of private transport like the
>car. Even with an instrument rating it would require a high level of
>skill, confidence and time commitment on part of the pilot to use a
>little airplane regularly for commuting. Besides, no matter how many
>airports spring up, there still remains the problem of getting from
>the airport to the work place and back.
>If more and more employers and employees work together to find ways to
>work remotely from home, it would reduce automobile usage to an
>extent.

what a lonely life that is.
working from home. horrors, perish the thought.
no cultural stimulation.
bugger all new technology.
everything you work with you have to pay for by yourself.

stupid idea.
long live the modern office.

Stealth Pilot

[Jay Honeck]

> what a lonely life that is.
> working from home. horrors, perish the thought.
> no cultural stimulation.
> bugger all new technology.
> everything you work with you have to pay for by yourself.
>
> stupid idea.
> long live the modern office.

My wife telecommutes to a job in Wisconsin. She now does it from the
hotel, but for years she did it from home.

With little kids, it was great. Like being a stay-at-home mom, with
income. Going to work meant putting slippers on, and sitting down at
the PC.

Later, when the kids were in school, you're right -- she was socially
isolated, and lonely. She is now much happier telecommuting from the
hotel, where there is obviously ample opportunity for social
interaction.

Telecommuting is great in many ways, but awful in others.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Michael Ash]

In rec.aviation.student Stealth Pilot > wrote:
> what a lonely life that is.
> working from home. horrors, perish the thought.
> no cultural stimulation.

I work from home and go hang out with the glider club on the weekends,
does great for the cultural stimulation business.

> bugger all new technology.
> everything you work with you have to pay for by yourself.

Funny, my employers still buy most of my equipment even though they never
see me, or it.

--
Michael Ash
Rogue Amoeba Software

[Margy Natalie]

wrote:
>>Of course, those who still live out in the sticks will need some other
>>way to get around. This will be the rail lines, just like in the old
>>days, or they will fly, as God intended. New airports will spring up
>>like flowers after a rain. Flight instructors will be busy. The little
>>planes will no longer bother anybody because everyone will realize they
>>are necessary. Aircraft manufacturers will finally have the incentive
>>to innovate and produce airplanes in reasonable numbers.
>>
>
>
> If by little planes you mean 4 seaters and such, then I doubt that
> they will ever become reliable means of private transport like the
> car. Even with an instrument rating it would require a high level of
> skill, confidence and time commitment on part of the pilot to use a
> little airplane regularly for commuting. Besides, no matter how many
> airports spring up, there still remains the problem of getting from
> the airport to the work place and back.
> If more and more employers and employees work together to find ways to
> work remotely from home, it would reduce automobile usage to an
> extent.
>
This is a good reason for flex schedules I work a 9/5/4/ (9 hours, 5
days one week, 4 the next). If everyone did that it would reduce travel
10%. Some folks work 10/4/4 which is a really long day, but if you
commute 4 hours a day (not unrealistic in this area) you save a lot of
real time and traffic is reduced 20%.

Margy

[[email protected]]

>
> stupid idea.
> long live the modern office.

It depends. It would be a stupid idea if it leads to lesser
productivity but lesser productivity rarely goes unnoticed. If your
job is such that you can work from home without sacrificing on
productivity, then getting caught in rush hour traffic while
unnecessarily commuting to work would be a stupid idea instead. There
would be plenty of cases where a worker would be more productive while
working from home.

[Scott[_1_]]

Do you get the mandatory overtime pay (5 hours) for the first week where
you work 45 hours in that work week or are you on salary? My boss would
never let us (non-exempt) folks work that schedule...wish we had a 2-20
schedule (2 days a week, 20 hours each...work 20 straight, 8 off and
then another straight 20)...would be great to have 5 day weekends :)

Scott


Margy Natalie wrote:
> wrote:
>
>>> Of course, those who still live out in the sticks will need some other
>>> way to get around. This will be the rail lines, just like in the old
>>> days, or they will fly, as God intended. New airports will spring up
>>> like flowers after a rain. Flight instructors will be busy. The little
>>> planes will no longer bother anybody because everyone will realize they
>>> are necessary. Aircraft manufacturers will finally have the incentive
>>> to innovate and produce airplanes in reasonable numbers.
>>>
>>
>>
>> If by little planes you mean 4 seaters and such, then I doubt that
>> they will ever become reliable means of private transport like the
>> car. Even with an instrument rating it would require a high level of
>> skill, confidence and time commitment on part of the pilot to use a
>> little airplane regularly for commuting. Besides, no matter how many
>> airports spring up, there still remains the problem of getting from
>> the airport to the work place and back.
>> If more and more employers and employees work together to find ways to
>> work remotely from home, it would reduce automobile usage to an
>> extent.
>>
> This is a good reason for flex schedules I work a 9/5/4/ (9 hours, 5
> days one week, 4 the next). If everyone did that it would reduce travel
> 10%. Some folks work 10/4/4 which is a really long day, but if you
> commute 4 hours a day (not unrealistic in this area) you save a lot of
> real time and traffic is reduced 20%.
>
> Margy

--
Scott
http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/
Gotta Fly or Gonna Die
Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version)

[Margy Natalie]

Overtime? What a bizarre concept :-0, No we don't get overtime for
anything. If we work extra hours we can get comp time, if we get it
approved first. We can't work more than 10 per day (no 20/2), but the
9/5/4 works out ok, until you end up just going in for 2 or 3 hours on
Sunday and spending 6 (lawn is not mowed, leaves are not up, laundry is
not done, oh well, another weekend shot to hell, but I did get a few
minutes stick time in an L-39 JET this weekend!!!)

Margy

Scott wrote:
> Do you get the mandatory overtime pay (5 hours) for the first week where
> you work 45 hours in that work week or are you on salary? My boss would
> never let us (non-exempt) folks work that schedule...wish we had a 2-20
> schedule (2 days a week, 20 hours each...work 20 straight, 8 off and
> then another straight 20)...would be great to have 5 day weekends :)
>
> Scott
>
>
> Margy Natalie wrote:
>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> Of course, those who still live out in the sticks will need some other
>>>> way to get around. This will be the rail lines, just like in the old
>>>> days, or they will fly, as God intended. New airports will spring up
>>>> like flowers after a rain. Flight instructors will be busy. The little
>>>> planes will no longer bother anybody because everyone will realize they
>>>> are necessary. Aircraft manufacturers will finally have the incentive
>>>> to innovate and produce airplanes in reasonable numbers.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If by little planes you mean 4 seaters and such, then I doubt that
>>> they will ever become reliable means of private transport like the
>>> car. Even with an instrument rating it would require a high level of
>>> skill, confidence and time commitment on part of the pilot to use a
>>> little airplane regularly for commuting. Besides, no matter how many
>>> airports spring up, there still remains the problem of getting from
>>> the airport to the work place and back.
>>> If more and more employers and employees work together to find ways to
>>> work remotely from home, it would reduce automobile usage to an
>>> extent.
>>>
>> This is a good reason for flex schedules I work a 9/5/4/ (9 hours, 5
>> days one week, 4 the next). If everyone did that it would reduce
>> travel 10%. Some folks work 10/4/4 which is a really long day, but if
>> you commute 4 hours a day (not unrealistic in this area) you save a
>> lot of real time and traffic is reduced 20%.
>>
>> Margy
>
>

[Scott[_1_]]

Oh...I forgot to ask if you were self employed. That would explain no
overtime pay since it is only required for employment covered in the
fair labor standards act...
http://www.dol.gov/esa/regs/compliance/whd/whdfs23.htm

Scott


Margy Natalie wrote:
>
> Overtime? What a bizarre concept :-0, No we don't get overtime for
> anything. If we work extra hours we can get comp time, if we get it
> approved first. We can't work more than 10 per day (no 20/2), but the
> 9/5/4 works out ok, until you end up just going in for 2 or 3 hours on
> Sunday and spending 6 (lawn is not mowed, leaves are not up, laundry is
> not done, oh well, another weekend shot to hell, but I did get a few
> minutes stick time in an L-39 JET this weekend!!!)
>
> Margy
>
> Scott wrote:
>
>> Do you get the mandatory overtime pay (5 hours) for the first week
>> where you work 45 hours in that work week or are you on salary? My
>> boss would never let us (non-exempt) folks work that schedule...wish
>> we had a 2-20 schedule (2 days a week, 20 hours each...work 20
>> straight, 8 off and then another straight 20)...would be great to have
>> 5 day weekends :)
>>
>> Scott
>>
>>
>> Margy Natalie wrote:
>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Of course, those who still live out in the sticks will need some other
>>>>> way to get around. This will be the rail lines, just like in the old
>>>>> days, or they will fly, as God intended. New airports will spring up
>>>>> like flowers after a rain. Flight instructors will be busy. The little
>>>>> planes will no longer bother anybody because everyone will realize
>>>>> they
>>>>> are necessary. Aircraft manufacturers will finally have the incentive
>>>>> to innovate and produce airplanes in reasonable numbers.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If by little planes you mean 4 seaters and such, then I doubt that
>>>> they will ever become reliable means of private transport like the
>>>> car. Even with an instrument rating it would require a high level of
>>>> skill, confidence and time commitment on part of the pilot to use a
>>>> little airplane regularly for commuting. Besides, no matter how many
>>>> airports spring up, there still remains the problem of getting from
>>>> the airport to the work place and back.
>>>> If more and more employers and employees work together to find ways to
>>>> work remotely from home, it would reduce automobile usage to an
>>>> extent.
>>>>
>>> This is a good reason for flex schedules I work a 9/5/4/ (9 hours, 5
>>> days one week, 4 the next). If everyone did that it would reduce
>>> travel 10%. Some folks work 10/4/4 which is a really long day, but
>>> if you commute 4 hours a day (not unrealistic in this area) you save
>>> a lot of real time and traffic is reduced 20%.
>>>
>>> Margy
>>
>>
>>

--
Scott
http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/
Gotta Fly or Gonna Die
Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version)

[Mark Hickey]

Scott > wrote:

>Oh...I forgot to ask if you were self employed. That would explain no
>overtime pay since it is only required for employment covered in the
>fair labor standards act...
>http://www.dol.gov/esa/regs/compliance/whd/whdfs23.htm

Doesn't apply to the huge number of salaried employees. Either that,
or my ex-employee owes me a few million dollars.

Mark "don't I wish..." Hickey

>Scott
>
>
>Margy Natalie wrote:
>>
>> Overtime? What a bizarre concept :-0, No we don't get overtime for
>> anything. If we work extra hours we can get comp time, if we get it
>> approved first. We can't work more than 10 per day (no 20/2), but the
>> 9/5/4 works out ok, until you end up just going in for 2 or 3 hours on
>> Sunday and spending 6 (lawn is not mowed, leaves are not up, laundry is
>> not done, oh well, another weekend shot to hell, but I did get a few
>> minutes stick time in an L-39 JET this weekend!!!)
>>
>> Margy
>>
>> Scott wrote:
>>
>>> Do you get the mandatory overtime pay (5 hours) for the first week
>>> where you work 45 hours in that work week or are you on salary? My
>>> boss would never let us (non-exempt) folks work that schedule...wish
>>> we had a 2-20 schedule (2 days a week, 20 hours each...work 20
>>> straight, 8 off and then another straight 20)...would be great to have
>>> 5 day weekends :)
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>>
>>> Margy Natalie wrote:
>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Of course, those who still live out in the sticks will need some other
>>>>>> way to get around. This will be the rail lines, just like in the old
>>>>>> days, or they will fly, as God intended. New airports will spring up
>>>>>> like flowers after a rain. Flight instructors will be busy. The little
>>>>>> planes will no longer bother anybody because everyone will realize
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> are necessary. Aircraft manufacturers will finally have the incentive
>>>>>> to innovate and produce airplanes in reasonable numbers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If by little planes you mean 4 seaters and such, then I doubt that
>>>>> they will ever become reliable means of private transport like the
>>>>> car. Even with an instrument rating it would require a high level of
>>>>> skill, confidence and time commitment on part of the pilot to use a
>>>>> little airplane regularly for commuting. Besides, no matter how many
>>>>> airports spring up, there still remains the problem of getting from
>>>>> the airport to the work place and back.
>>>>> If more and more employers and employees work together to find ways to
>>>>> work remotely from home, it would reduce automobile usage to an
>>>>> extent.
>>>>>
>>>> This is a good reason for flex schedules I work a 9/5/4/ (9 hours, 5
>>>> days one week, 4 the next). If everyone did that it would reduce
>>>> travel 10%. Some folks work 10/4/4 which is a really long day, but
>>>> if you commute 4 hours a day (not unrealistic in this area) you save
>>>> a lot of real time and traffic is reduced 20%.
>>>>
>>>> Margy
>>>
>>>
>>>

[Margy Natalie]

Scott wrote:
> Oh...I forgot to ask if you were self employed. That would explain no
> overtime pay since it is only required for employment covered in the
> fair labor standards act...
> http://www.dol.gov/esa/regs/compliance/whd/whdfs23.htm
>
> Scott
Not sefl-employed, I'm a federal employee.

Margy


>
>
> Margy Natalie wrote:
>
>>
>> Overtime? What a bizarre concept :-0, No we don't get overtime for
>> anything. If we work extra hours we can get comp time, if we get it
>> approved first. We can't work more than 10 per day (no 20/2), but the
>> 9/5/4 works out ok, until you end up just going in for 2 or 3 hours on
>> Sunday and spending 6 (lawn is not mowed, leaves are not up, laundry
>> is not done, oh well, another weekend shot to hell, but I did get a
>> few minutes stick time in an L-39 JET this weekend!!!)
>>
>> Margy
>>
>> Scott wrote:
>>
>>> Do you get the mandatory overtime pay (5 hours) for the first week
>>> where you work 45 hours in that work week or are you on salary? My
>>> boss would never let us (non-exempt) folks work that schedule...wish
>>> we had a 2-20 schedule (2 days a week, 20 hours each...work 20
>>> straight, 8 off and then another straight 20)...would be great to
>>> have 5 day weekends :)
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>>
>>> Margy Natalie wrote:
>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Of course, those who still live out in the sticks will need some
>>>>>> other
>>>>>> way to get around. This will be the rail lines, just like in the old
>>>>>> days, or they will fly, as God intended. New airports will spring up
>>>>>> like flowers after a rain. Flight instructors will be busy. The
>>>>>> little
>>>>>> planes will no longer bother anybody because everyone will realize
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> are necessary. Aircraft manufacturers will finally have the incentive
>>>>>> to innovate and produce airplanes in reasonable numbers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If by little planes you mean 4 seaters and such, then I doubt that
>>>>> they will ever become reliable means of private transport like the
>>>>> car. Even with an instrument rating it would require a high level of
>>>>> skill, confidence and time commitment on part of the pilot to use a
>>>>> little airplane regularly for commuting. Besides, no matter how many
>>>>> airports spring up, there still remains the problem of getting from
>>>>> the airport to the work place and back.
>>>>> If more and more employers and employees work together to find ways to
>>>>> work remotely from home, it would reduce automobile usage to an
>>>>> extent.
>>>>>
>>>> This is a good reason for flex schedules I work a 9/5/4/ (9 hours, 5
>>>> days one week, 4 the next). If everyone did that it would reduce
>>>> travel 10%. Some folks work 10/4/4 which is a really long day, but
>>>> if you commute 4 hours a day (not unrealistic in this area) you save
>>>> a lot of real time and traffic is reduced 20%.
>>>>
>>>> Margy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>

[Scott[_1_]]

Oh...THAT's killer! You work for the same government that mandated O.T.
pay. Sometimes I just love the way our government works..."It's OK for
us to make rules to protect our citizens from getting screwed, but we're
going to screw our own employees." That figures! ;) Thanks for
hanging in there and clarifying :)

Margy Natalie wrote:

> Scott wrote:
>
>> Oh...I forgot to ask if you were self employed. That would explain no
>> overtime pay since it is only required for employment covered in the
>> fair labor standards act...
>> http://www.dol.gov/esa/regs/compliance/whd/whdfs23.htm
>>
>> Scott
>
> Not sefl-employed, I'm a federal employee.
>
> Margy
>
>
>>
>>
>> Margy Natalie wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Overtime? What a bizarre concept :-0, No we don't get overtime for
>>> anything. If we work extra hours we can get comp time, if we get it
>>> approved first. We can't work more than 10 per day (no 20/2), but
>>> the 9/5/4 works out ok, until you end up just going in for 2 or 3
>>> hours on Sunday and spending 6 (lawn is not mowed, leaves are not up,
>>> laundry is not done, oh well, another weekend shot to hell, but I did
>>> get a few minutes stick time in an L-39 JET this weekend!!!)
>>>
>>> Margy
>>>
>>> Scott wrote:
>>>
>>>> Do you get the mandatory overtime pay (5 hours) for the first week
>>>> where you work 45 hours in that work week or are you on salary? My
>>>> boss would never let us (non-exempt) folks work that schedule...wish
>>>> we had a 2-20 schedule (2 days a week, 20 hours each...work 20
>>>> straight, 8 off and then another straight 20)...would be great to
>>>> have 5 day weekends :)
>>>>
>>>> Scott
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Margy Natalie wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Of course, those who still live out in the sticks will need some
>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>> way to get around. This will be the rail lines, just like in the old
>>>>>>> days, or they will fly, as God intended. New airports will spring up
>>>>>>> like flowers after a rain. Flight instructors will be busy. The
>>>>>>> little
>>>>>>> planes will no longer bother anybody because everyone will
>>>>>>> realize they
>>>>>>> are necessary. Aircraft manufacturers will finally have the
>>>>>>> incentive
>>>>>>> to innovate and produce airplanes in reasonable numbers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If by little planes you mean 4 seaters and such, then I doubt that
>>>>>> they will ever become reliable means of private transport like the
>>>>>> car. Even with an instrument rating it would require a high level of
>>>>>> skill, confidence and time commitment on part of the pilot to use a
>>>>>> little airplane regularly for commuting. Besides, no matter how many
>>>>>> airports spring up, there still remains the problem of getting from
>>>>>> the airport to the work place and back.
>>>>>> If more and more employers and employees work together to find
>>>>>> ways to
>>>>>> work remotely from home, it would reduce automobile usage to an
>>>>>> extent.
>>>>>>
>>>>> This is a good reason for flex schedules I work a 9/5/4/ (9 hours,
>>>>> 5 days one week, 4 the next). If everyone did that it would reduce
>>>>> travel 10%. Some folks work 10/4/4 which is a really long day, but
>>>>> if you commute 4 hours a day (not unrealistic in this area) you
>>>>> save a lot of real time and traffic is reduced 20%.
>>>>>
>>>>> Margy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>

--
Scott
http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/
Gotta Fly or Gonna Die
Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version)

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Margy Natalie" <> wrote

> but I did get a few minutes stick time in an L-39 JET this weekend!!!)

Cool beans!

Shoot, I'd settle for a ride in an L-39, let alone some stick time!

Go on; you told us a little, now spill it! Tell us all about it, so we can
live vicariously! <g>
--
Jim in NC

[Margy Natalie]

Scott wrote:
> Oh...THAT's killer! You work for the same government that mandated O.T.
> pay. Sometimes I just love the way our government works..."It's OK for
> us to make rules to protect our citizens from getting screwed, but we're
> going to screw our own employees." That figures! ;) Thanks for
> hanging in there and clarifying :)

I'm on a salary, I just work and work (no matter what Jay says about
Federal workers). I do get comp time, but somehow getting a Thurday off
doesn't really make up for working a Saturday night, if you know what I
mean. I do get to do some really cool stuff, meet really great people,
and I have an SR-71 outside of my office, so that's a plus!

Margy
>
> Margy Natalie wrote:
>
>> Scott wrote:
>>
>>> Oh...I forgot to ask if you were self employed. That would explain
>>> no overtime pay since it is only required for employment covered in
>>> the fair labor standards act...
>>> http://www.dol.gov/esa/regs/compliance/whd/whdfs23.htm
>>>
>>> Scott
>>
>>
>> Not sefl-employed, I'm a federal employee.
>>
>> Margy
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Margy Natalie wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Overtime? What a bizarre concept :-0, No we don't get overtime for
>>>> anything. If we work extra hours we can get comp time, if we get it
>>>> approved first. We can't work more than 10 per day (no 20/2), but
>>>> the 9/5/4 works out ok, until you end up just going in for 2 or 3
>>>> hours on Sunday and spending 6 (lawn is not mowed, leaves are not
>>>> up, laundry is not done, oh well, another weekend shot to hell, but
>>>> I did get a few minutes stick time in an L-39 JET this weekend!!!)
>>>>
>>>> Margy
>>>>
>>>> Scott wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Do you get the mandatory overtime pay (5 hours) for the first week
>>>>> where you work 45 hours in that work week or are you on salary? My
>>>>> boss would never let us (non-exempt) folks work that
>>>>> schedule...wish we had a 2-20 schedule (2 days a week, 20 hours
>>>>> each...work 20 straight, 8 off and then another straight
>>>>> 20)...would be great to have 5 day weekends :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Scott
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Margy Natalie wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Of course, those who still live out in the sticks will need some
>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>> way to get around. This will be the rail lines, just like in the
>>>>>>>> old
>>>>>>>> days, or they will fly, as God intended. New airports will
>>>>>>>> spring up
>>>>>>>> like flowers after a rain. Flight instructors will be busy. The
>>>>>>>> little
>>>>>>>> planes will no longer bother anybody because everyone will
>>>>>>>> realize they
>>>>>>>> are necessary. Aircraft manufacturers will finally have the
>>>>>>>> incentive
>>>>>>>> to innovate and produce airplanes in reasonable numbers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If by little planes you mean 4 seaters and such, then I doubt that
>>>>>>> they will ever become reliable means of private transport like the
>>>>>>> car. Even with an instrument rating it would require a high level of
>>>>>>> skill, confidence and time commitment on part of the pilot to use a
>>>>>>> little airplane regularly for commuting. Besides, no matter how many
>>>>>>> airports spring up, there still remains the problem of getting from
>>>>>>> the airport to the work place and back.
>>>>>>> If more and more employers and employees work together to find
>>>>>>> ways to
>>>>>>> work remotely from home, it would reduce automobile usage to an
>>>>>>> extent.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is a good reason for flex schedules I work a 9/5/4/ (9 hours,
>>>>>> 5 days one week, 4 the next). If everyone did that it would reduce
>>>>>> travel 10%. Some folks work 10/4/4 which is a really long day,
>>>>>> but if you commute 4 hours a day (not unrealistic in this area)
>>>>>> you save a lot of real time and traffic is reduced 20%.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Margy
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>

[Scott[_1_]]

I think I'd rather have my office IN an SR-71 :)

I was never a big fan of comp time...especially when the boss was the
one who decided which day he would give you as comp time :(

Scott


Margy Natalie wrote:
> Scott wrote:
>
>> Oh...THAT's killer! You work for the same government that mandated
>> O.T. pay. Sometimes I just love the way our government works..."It's
>> OK for us to make rules to protect our citizens from getting screwed,
>> but we're going to screw our own employees." That figures! ;)
>> Thanks for hanging in there and clarifying :)
>
>
> I'm on a salary, I just work and work (no matter what Jay says about
> Federal workers). I do get comp time, but somehow getting a Thurday off
> doesn't really make up for working a Saturday night, if you know what I
> mean. I do get to do some really cool stuff, meet really great people,
> and I have an SR-71 outside of my office, so that's a plus!
>
> Margy
>
>>
>> Margy Natalie wrote:
>>
>>> Scott wrote:
>>>
>>>> Oh...I forgot to ask if you were self employed. That would explain
>>>> no overtime pay since it is only required for employment covered in
>>>> the fair labor standards act...
>>>> http://www.dol.gov/esa/regs/compliance/whd/whdfs23.htm
>>>>
>>>> Scott
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Not sefl-employed, I'm a federal employee.
>>>
>>> Margy
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Margy Natalie wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Overtime? What a bizarre concept :-0, No we don't get overtime
>>>>> for anything. If we work extra hours we can get comp time, if we
>>>>> get it approved first. We can't work more than 10 per day (no
>>>>> 20/2), but the 9/5/4 works out ok, until you end up just going in
>>>>> for 2 or 3 hours on Sunday and spending 6 (lawn is not mowed,
>>>>> leaves are not up, laundry is not done, oh well, another weekend
>>>>> shot to hell, but I did get a few minutes stick time in an L-39 JET
>>>>> this weekend!!!)
>>>>>
>>>>> Margy
>>>>>
>>>>> Scott wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you get the mandatory overtime pay (5 hours) for the first week
>>>>>> where you work 45 hours in that work week or are you on salary?
>>>>>> My boss would never let us (non-exempt) folks work that
>>>>>> schedule...wish we had a 2-20 schedule (2 days a week, 20 hours
>>>>>> each...work 20 straight, 8 off and then another straight
>>>>>> 20)...would be great to have 5 day weekends :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Margy Natalie wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Of course, those who still live out in the sticks will need
>>>>>>>>> some other
>>>>>>>>> way to get around. This will be the rail lines, just like in
>>>>>>>>> the old
>>>>>>>>> days, or they will fly, as God intended. New airports will
>>>>>>>>> spring up
>>>>>>>>> like flowers after a rain. Flight instructors will be busy. The
>>>>>>>>> little
>>>>>>>>> planes will no longer bother anybody because everyone will
>>>>>>>>> realize they
>>>>>>>>> are necessary. Aircraft manufacturers will finally have the
>>>>>>>>> incentive
>>>>>>>>> to innovate and produce airplanes in reasonable numbers.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If by little planes you mean 4 seaters and such, then I doubt that
>>>>>>>> they will ever become reliable means of private transport like the
>>>>>>>> car. Even with an instrument rating it would require a high
>>>>>>>> level of
>>>>>>>> skill, confidence and time commitment on part of the pilot to use a
>>>>>>>> little airplane regularly for commuting. Besides, no matter how
>>>>>>>> many
>>>>>>>> airports spring up, there still remains the problem of getting from
>>>>>>>> the airport to the work place and back.
>>>>>>>> If more and more employers and employees work together to find
>>>>>>>> ways to
>>>>>>>> work remotely from home, it would reduce automobile usage to an
>>>>>>>> extent.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is a good reason for flex schedules I work a 9/5/4/ (9
>>>>>>> hours, 5 days one week, 4 the next). If everyone did that it
>>>>>>> would reduce travel 10%. Some folks work 10/4/4 which is a
>>>>>>> really long day, but if you commute 4 hours a day (not
>>>>>>> unrealistic in this area) you save a lot of real time and traffic
>>>>>>> is reduced 20%.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Margy
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>

--
Scott
http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/
Gotta Fly or Gonna Die
Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version)

[Margy Natalie]

Morgans wrote:
> "Margy Natalie" <> wrote
>
>
>>but I did get a few minutes stick time in an L-39 JET this weekend!!!)
>
>
> Cool beans!
>
> Shoot, I'd settle for a ride in an L-39, let alone some stick time!
>
> Go on; you told us a little, now spill it! Tell us all about it, so we can
> live vicariously! <g>
It was GREAT!!! The wonderful man who owns the L-39 and has flown to my
fly-in every year. He's mentioned he "owes" me a ride for a bit and we
hooked up at a local fly-in this weekend (thanks to my boss's boss who
is also checked out in L-39's).

Well, the ride was going to be around 2:30 (after they opened the
airspace from the show) so I figured I'd better eat about 1 (not too
empty, not too full) so at 12:45 I got in line. I didn't get my food
until 2:15 so I wolfed down BBQ and fries (not wise) and got out to the
airplane. Joe (boss's boss) straped me in, which I think he felt a bit
odd doing. We'd briefed earlier so he showed me what to pull "just in
case" etc. I was strapped to the parachute and it was attached to the
plane. "if something really bad happens pull that, Art will turn upside
down and you will fall out". Sounded good to me! In and locked in Art
fired up the best looking L-39 in the world (too me at least, as I was
INSIDE). All the instruments and warning lights are in Russian :-). It
was a bit odd to have my ears popping right there on the ground as he
pressurized.

He took off, over the runway we had already exceeded the Navion's red
line speed and I was way behind. We got up to about 3,500' and Art said
"you've got the airplane" and shook the stick. I said "you're
kidding" He said "No, your airplane" I shook the stick and held on
flying perfectly straight and level with a grin ear to ear. I was
flying a JET!!!! He said "you can turn if you want". Ok, I made really
gentle turns and my face hurt from smiling so wide. He said, "let me
show you a turn" and wow we turned! I flew a bit and he said "How about
an aileron roll" so I said sure (mind you I get sick on
Merry-go-rounds). So we did the roll which was really gentle until the
pull out and the BBQ started to rise, but not too far, whew. So I flew
for a bit and then it was time to go back. He thought I might know
where I was (as the ride was from my home field, but I was way not
knowing anything). A second later I spotted the "golf balls" (radomes)
and pointed them out and explained they were 45 for downwind.

He asked if I wanted him to do a break for landing or a regular pattern.
Well the stomach was back and I figured after the break we'd be on the
gound in a few seconds so I said "we can do the break", he replied "Are
you sure" I said "yeah, we can do the break" then I asked "How violent
is the break?" he replied "2 Gs" I said "OK" figuring we'd be on the
ground and out of the plane. Piece of cake.

So we zoom in faster than I normally do anything, whipped around in the
break (damned BBQ) and are coming around on final. This is WAY COOL.
Stomach is well, ok, but we will be on the ground in a few seconds, when
I hear "Culpeper traffic, Cessna xxxx departing runway 22, Culpeper". I
look down and someone is getting ready to get on the runway right in
front of us. Art calls, "Culpeper traffic can you delay your departure
for the JET on final", "Culpeper traffic, Cessna departing 22 ... "
damned she was talking, but not listening so around we go (with someone
else on the radio asking for a tail number). The go around was
uneventful and we came in for a smooth landing.

This was a GREAT moment for me. I did aerobatics (well, aerobatic
singular) and didn't throw up! I flew really fast and it was really
cool and wow it was GREAT! I would recommend it to anyone.

I'm still a bit dizzy from the thrill and people are tired of me
spontaniously shouting "I flew a JET!" periodically :-). This in one of
the great perks of my job. I get to meet really cool people. Art is
one of the best I've ever met, he has a really cool plane and as soon as
I got out he had kids in the airplane (not flying) for the rest of the
day. At my fly-in he spends the entire day putting kids in and out of
the plane. It is great. I found out this weekend he's also the only
one to ever dead-stick a Harrier in (Richmond, VA) he got a medal for
that. He recently aquired a Harrier and hopefully will have it on the
airshow circut soon. He's a really nice guy with really cool planes.

Hee hee hee I flew a JET!

Margy

[Margy Natalie]

Scott wrote:
> I think I'd rather have my office IN an SR-71 :)
>
> I was never a big fan of comp time...especially when the boss was the
> one who decided which day he would give you as comp time :(
>
> Scott

We luck out there. The boss doesn't decide the comp time although he
has to approve it. I try to stack it up for a long weekend. He doesn't
really like it (says I'll burn out with some of the weeks I work), but
he approves it. Of course if I don't use it by the end of the calendar
year it turns to dust, and the office needs to be covered Xmas week, and
we all earn a bunch before and during major events in the fall ...

Margy
>
>
> Margy Natalie wrote:
>
>> Scott wrote:
>>
>>> Oh...THAT's killer! You work for the same government that mandated
>>> O.T. pay. Sometimes I just love the way our government works..."It's
>>> OK for us to make rules to protect our citizens from getting screwed,
>>> but we're going to screw our own employees." That figures! ;)
>>> Thanks for hanging in there and clarifying :)
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm on a salary, I just work and work (no matter what Jay says about
>> Federal workers). I do get comp time, but somehow getting a Thurday
>> off doesn't really make up for working a Saturday night, if you know
>> what I mean. I do get to do some really cool stuff, meet really great
>> people, and I have an SR-71 outside of my office, so that's a plus!
>>
>> Margy
>>
>>>
>>> Margy Natalie wrote:
>>>
>>>> Scott wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Oh...I forgot to ask if you were self employed. That would explain
>>>>> no overtime pay since it is only required for employment covered in
>>>>> the fair labor standards act...
>>>>> http://www.dol.gov/esa/regs/compliance/whd/whdfs23.htm
>>>>>
>>>>> Scott
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Not sefl-employed, I'm a federal employee.
>>>>
>>>> Margy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Margy Natalie wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Overtime? What a bizarre concept :-0, No we don't get overtime
>>>>>> for anything. If we work extra hours we can get comp time, if we
>>>>>> get it approved first. We can't work more than 10 per day (no
>>>>>> 20/2), but the 9/5/4 works out ok, until you end up just going in
>>>>>> for 2 or 3 hours on Sunday and spending 6 (lawn is not mowed,
>>>>>> leaves are not up, laundry is not done, oh well, another weekend
>>>>>> shot to hell, but I did get a few minutes stick time in an L-39
>>>>>> JET this weekend!!!)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Margy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Scott wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do you get the mandatory overtime pay (5 hours) for the first
>>>>>>> week where you work 45 hours in that work week or are you on
>>>>>>> salary? My boss would never let us (non-exempt) folks work that
>>>>>>> schedule...wish we had a 2-20 schedule (2 days a week, 20 hours
>>>>>>> each...work 20 straight, 8 off and then another straight
>>>>>>> 20)...would be great to have 5 day weekends :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Margy Natalie wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Of course, those who still live out in the sticks will need
>>>>>>>>>> some other
>>>>>>>>>> way to get around. This will be the rail lines, just like in
>>>>>>>>>> the old
>>>>>>>>>> days, or they will fly, as God intended. New airports will
>>>>>>>>>> spring up
>>>>>>>>>> like flowers after a rain. Flight instructors will be busy.
>>>>>>>>>> The little
>>>>>>>>>> planes will no longer bother anybody because everyone will
>>>>>>>>>> realize they
>>>>>>>>>> are necessary. Aircraft manufacturers will finally have the
>>>>>>>>>> incentive
>>>>>>>>>> to innovate and produce airplanes in reasonable numbers.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If by little planes you mean 4 seaters and such, then I doubt that
>>>>>>>>> they will ever become reliable means of private transport like the
>>>>>>>>> car. Even with an instrument rating it would require a high
>>>>>>>>> level of
>>>>>>>>> skill, confidence and time commitment on part of the pilot to
>>>>>>>>> use a
>>>>>>>>> little airplane regularly for commuting. Besides, no matter how
>>>>>>>>> many
>>>>>>>>> airports spring up, there still remains the problem of getting
>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>> the airport to the work place and back.
>>>>>>>>> If more and more employers and employees work together to find
>>>>>>>>> ways to
>>>>>>>>> work remotely from home, it would reduce automobile usage to an
>>>>>>>>> extent.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is a good reason for flex schedules I work a 9/5/4/ (9
>>>>>>>> hours, 5 days one week, 4 the next). If everyone did that it
>>>>>>>> would reduce travel 10%. Some folks work 10/4/4 which is a
>>>>>>>> really long day, but if you commute 4 hours a day (not
>>>>>>>> unrealistic in this area) you save a lot of real time and
>>>>>>>> traffic is reduced 20%.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Margy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Margy Natalie" > wrote in message

>
> Hee hee hee I flew a JET!

Congrats! Way cool!

> He recently aquired a Harrier and hopefully will have it on the airshow
> circut soon. He's a really nice guy with really cool planes.

A really nice guy with deep pockets, I would guess. You would have to have
a "few" surplus bucks around, JUST to pay the fuel bill for either of those
planes! :-)
--
Jim in NC

[Ray Andraka]

Margy,

That is way way way cool. I'm green (and not from flying upside-down)!
See, there are perks to working where you do.


Margy Natalie wrote:


> Hee hee hee I flew a JET!
>
> Margy

[Jay Honeck]

> I'm on a salary, I just work and work (no matter what Jay says about
> Federal workers).

When you're doing what you want to do, and you love doing it, it's not
really "work".

>I do get comp time, but somehow getting a Thurday off
> doesn't really make up for working a Saturday night, if you know what I
> mean.

Hey, Thursday (when I actually get it off) is my "Sunday". I *love*
having non-weekend days off -- no crowds anywhere.

And I work *every* Saturday, so suck it up!

:-)

> I do get to do some really cool stuff, meet really great people,
> and I have an SR-71 outside of my office, so that's a plus!

There you have it. We do what we do for the perks, not the pay...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Margy Natalie]

Morgans wrote:
> "Margy Natalie" > wrote in message
>
>
>>Hee hee hee I flew a JET!
>
>
> Congrats! Way cool!
>
>
>> He recently aquired a Harrier and hopefully will have it on the airshow
>>circut soon. He's a really nice guy with really cool planes.
>
>
> A really nice guy with deep pockets, I would guess. You would have to have
> a "few" surplus bucks around, JUST to pay the fuel bill for either of those
> planes! :-)
Former Marine turned DC developer I believe. Nice guy!

[Margy Natalie]

Jay Honeck wrote:

>
>>I do get comp time, but somehow getting a Thurday off
>>doesn't really make up for working a Saturday night, if you know what I
>>mean.
>
>
> Hey, Thursday (when I actually get it off) is my "Sunday". I *love*
> having non-weekend days off -- no crowds anywhere.
>
> And I work *every* Saturday, so suck it up!
>
> :-)
>
But all the fly-ins are on Saturdays ...

[Scott[_1_]]

And, I'll bet you don't get to make many fly ins since most are geared
to folks that have Sat/Sun off work...that would be the BIG downside for
me!!

Scott


Jay Honeck wrote:


>
>
> Hey, Thursday (when I actually get it off) is my "Sunday". I *love*
> having non-weekend days off -- no crowds anywhere.
>
> And I work *every* Saturday, so suck it up!
>
> :-)
>
>
>
> There you have it.

> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>

--
Scott
http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/
Gotta Fly or Gonna Die
Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version)

[Morgans[_2_]]

"Margy Natalie" <> wrote

> Former Marine turned DC developer I believe. Nice guy!

Well, it's good to hear that nice guys don't always finish last!
--
Jim in NC

[Roger (K8RI)]

On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 22:16:34 +0000, Scott >
wrote:

>Oh...THAT's killer! You work for the same government that mandated O.T.
>pay. Sometimes I just love the way our government works..."It's OK for


Only for the hourly folk. Us professionals are paid so much a month,
once a month. <:-))

Roger (K8RI)

>us to make rules to protect our citizens from getting screwed, but we're
>going to screw our own employees." That figures! ;) Thanks for
>hanging in there and clarifying :)
>
>Margy Natalie wrote:
>
>> Scott wrote:
>>
>>> Oh...I forgot to ask if you were self employed. That would explain no
>>> overtime pay since it is only required for employment covered in the
>>> fair labor standards act...
>>> http://www.dol.gov/esa/regs/compliance/whd/whdfs23.htm
>>>

[Roger (K8RI)]

On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 21:39:16 -0400, Margy Natalie >
wrote:

>Scott wrote:
>> I think I'd rather have my office IN an SR-71 :)
>>
>> I was never a big fan of comp time...especially when the boss was the
>> one who decided which day he would give you as comp time :(
>>
>> Scott
>
>We luck out there. The boss doesn't decide the comp time although he

Officially we didn't have comp time and vacation was use it or lose
it, BUT they quietly made an exception for us computer folk. Most of
us would come wandering in around 10:00 AM and go home around 4:00 to
make up for it. If we worked Saturday and Sunday the odds were pretty
good we'd miss a couple of days within the next couple of weeks. The
plant manager's secretary sent me a nasty note explaining what
flexible hours were and I needed to change my ways. I gave the letter
to my boss and volunteered to work 8:00 to 4:30, but I might be hard
to find after hours. He told me to keep doing as I was and he'd
explain how many hours I really worked each week. Just make sure I was
there for any scheduled meetings. It didn't hurt that I was up the
food chain a ways, worked for corporate, and had offices at two
different plants. After 7 years I retired with them owing me for over
90 some days of vacation, and I had taken the last full week off to
spend at Oshkosh. That 90 plus days made a real nice retirement check.
I retired out on the flight line. <:-))

>has to approve it. I try to stack it up for a long weekend. He doesn't

We just worked as needed with no approval required .

Roger (K8RI)

>really like it (says I'll burn out with some of the weeks I work), but
>he approves it. Of course if I don't use it by the end of the calendar
>year it turns to dust, and the office needs to be covered Xmas week, and
>we all earn a bunch before and during major events in the fall ...
>
>Margy
>>

[James Sleeman]

On Oct 15, 12:34 am, Stealth Pilot >
wrote:

> working from home. horrors, perish the thought.

The best thing about working from home, is you are at home when you
are at work.

The worst thing about working form home, is you are at work when you
are at home.

> no cultural stimulation.

Only if you so desire.

> bugger all new technology.

Only if you are a cheap bugger.

> everything you work with you have to pay for by yourself.

All the profits (and savings) you make, you get to keep for yourself.

[C J Campbell[_1_]]

On 2007-10-14 00:39:27 -0600, said:

>
>> Of course, those who still live out in the sticks will need some other
>> way to get around. This will be the rail lines, just like in the old
>> days, or they will fly, as God intended. New airports will spring up
>> like flowers after a rain. Flight instructors will be busy. The little
>> planes will no longer bother anybody because everyone will realize they
>> are necessary. Aircraft manufacturers will finally have the incentive
>> to innovate and produce airplanes in reasonable numbers.
>>
>
> If by little planes you mean 4 seaters and such, then I doubt that
> they will ever become reliable means of private transport like the
> car. Even with an instrument rating it would require a high level of
> skill, confidence and time commitment on part of the pilot to use a
> little airplane regularly for commuting. Besides, no matter how many
> airports spring up, there still remains the problem of getting from
> the airport to the work place and back.
> If more and more employers and employees work together to find ways to
> work remotely from home, it would reduce automobile usage to an
> extent.

Nevertheless, NASA is committed to developing the advanced technology
to make flying an airplane as easy and safe as driving a car, if not
more so. Modern glass panel avionics are one part of that. The Adam is
based on the ideas developed in this program.

It is going to happen -- if GA manages to survive until then.
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

[Roger (K8RI)]

On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 19:22:54 -0600, C J Campbell
> wrote:

>On 2007-10-14 00:39:27 -0600, said:
>
>>
>>> Of course, those who still live out in the sticks will need some other
>>> way to get around. This will be the rail lines, just like in the old
>>> days, or they will fly, as God intended. New airports will spring up
>>> like flowers after a rain. Flight instructors will be busy. The little
>>> planes will no longer bother anybody because everyone will realize they
>>> are necessary. Aircraft manufacturers will finally have the incentive
>>> to innovate and produce airplanes in reasonable numbers.
>>>
>>
>> If by little planes you mean 4 seaters and such, then I doubt that
>> they will ever become reliable means of private transport like the
>> car. Even with an instrument rating it would require a high level of

They could with the work NASA is doing, BUT *affordable* is a horse of
a different color.

>> skill, confidence and time commitment on part of the pilot to use a
>> little airplane regularly for commuting. Besides, no matter how many
>> airports spring up, there still remains the problem of getting from
>> the airport to the work place and back.

It would be possible even with today's technology to build an airplane
that could be programmed, or automated to fly from point A to B and
far easier than with cars. The resulting aircraft would, or could
require far less skill than required of today's pilots.

The most difficult to implement and expensive parts lie at each end
of the trip as well as with traffic control.

OTOH like anything that says "airplane" on it, I don't see it becoming
economical.
>> If more and more employers and employees work together to find ways to
>> work remotely from home, it would reduce automobile usage to an
>> extent.

The question is how many could routinely do this and to what extent
would it reduce automobile usage? When you get right down to it, only
a small percent of the work force can work from home. Even office and
data management work can not all be done from home. Yes, a lot of
communications can take place via the Internet/electronically, but
there still needs to be a face-to-face interaction between workers as
well as workers and management.

I used to do a bit more than half my work from home. (Sys admin,
Developmental Analyst, and finally project manager) HOWEVER that
didn't result in less driving. I spent less time at the plants and
corporate headquarters, but I still had to be there nearly every day.
I had to be there often enough they owed me over 90 days of vacation
when I retired.

>
>Nevertheless, NASA is committed to developing the advanced technology
>to make flying an airplane as easy and safe as driving a car, if not
>more so. Modern glass panel avionics are one part of that. The Adam is
>based on the ideas developed in this program.
>
>It is going to happen -- if GA manages to survive until then.

I have no doubt they can do it. It could be done with today's
technology, but I have my doubts that it can be made practical and
economical.

Roger (K8RI)