Ain't Hollywood wonderful?

[ArtKramr]

When we were stationed at Florennes Belgium a bunch of officers showed up one
day. They were a strange lookign lot. Kind of pudgy and out of shape
looking.Didn't look very military at all. In discussions they didn't seem to
know much about military flying but had higher rank than most of us; caprtains
and majors and even a Lt.Col. They wore no wings and had no battle stars or
decorations of any kind. Who the hell were they? Well it turned out that they
were JAG officers; Judge advocate General's Office. They were military lawyers.
All of which is ok. After all they we e lawyers not soldiers or flying
personelle. All that is fine., But recently I watched an episode of JAG on TV.
These guys and woman were all highly decorated. The lead even wore naval
aviators wings. Everyone was covered with ribbons and rank and they looked to
be in first class physical condition. And all very good looking. I think back
to those JAG officers in WWII, the pudgy brigade and compare them to those in
the TV series. Ain't Hollywood wonderful? (grin)

Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

[Mike Marron]

(ArtKramr) wrote:

>When we were stationed at Florennes Belgium a bunch of officers showed up one
>day. They were a strange lookign lot. Kind of pudgy and out of shape
>looking.Didn't look very military at all. In discussions they didn't seem to
>know much about military flying but had higher rank than most of us; caprtains
>and majors and even a Lt.Col. They wore no wings and had no battle stars or
>decorations of any kind. Who the hell were they? Well it turned out that they
>were JAG officers; Judge advocate General's Office. They were military lawyers.
>All of which is ok. After all they we e lawyers not soldiers or flying
>personelle. All that is fine., But recently I watched an episode of JAG on TV.
>These guys and woman were all highly decorated. The lead even wore naval
>aviators wings. Everyone was covered with ribbons and rank and they looked to
>be in first class physical condition. And all very good looking. I think back
>to those JAG officers in WWII, the pudgy brigade and compare them to those in
>the TV series. Ain't Hollywood wonderful? (grin)

>Arthur Kramer
>344th BG 494th BS
> England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
>Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
>http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer



"Your stuff is the most interesting on this NG. You can't beat being
there no matter what. I look for your posts every time I log on. Keep
'em flying."

-Art Kramer praising himself while posting as "Autocollimator."

[ArtKramr]

>Subject: Re: Ain't Hollywood wonderful?
>From: Mike Marron
>Date: 10/31/03 8:23 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
(ArtKramr) wrote:
>
>>When we were stationed at Florennes Belgium a bunch of officers showed up
>one
>>day. They were a strange lookign lot. Kind of pudgy and out of shape
>>looking.Didn't look very military at all. In discussions they didn't seem to
>>know much about military flying but had higher rank than most of us;
>caprtains
>>and majors and even a Lt.Col. They wore no wings and had no battle stars or
>>decorations of any kind. Who the hell were they? Well it turned out that
>they
>>were JAG officers; Judge advocate General's Office. They were military
>lawyers.
>>All of which is ok. After all they we e lawyers not soldiers or flying
>>personelle. All that is fine., But recently I watched an episode of JAG on
>TV.
>>These guys and woman were all highly decorated. The lead even wore naval
>>aviators wings. Everyone was covered with ribbons and rank and they looked
>to
>>be in first class physical condition. And all very good looking. I think
>back
>>to those JAG officers in WWII, the pudgy brigade and compare them to those
>in
>>the TV series. Ain't Hollywood wonderful? (grin)
>
>>Arthur Kramer
>>344th BG 494th BS
>> England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
>>Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
>>http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer
>
>
>
>"Your stuff is the most interesting on this NG. You can't beat being
>there no matter what. I look for your posts every time I log on. Keep
>'em flying."
>
>-Art Kramer praising himself while posting as "Autocollimator."
>
>
>
>
>
>

>Subject: Re: Ain't Hollywood wonderful?
>From: Mike Marron
>Date: 10/31/03 8:23 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
(ArtKramr) wrote:
>
>>When we were stationed at Florennes Belgium a bunch of officers showed up
>one
>>day. They were a strange lookign lot. Kind of pudgy and out of shape
>>looking.Didn't look very military at all. In discussions they didn't seem to
>>know much about military flying but had higher rank than most of us;
>caprtains
>>and majors and even a Lt.Col. They wore no wings and had no battle stars or
>>decorations of any kind. Who the hell were they? Well it turned out that
>they
>>were JAG officers; Judge advocate General's Office. They were military
>lawyers.
>>All of which is ok. After all they we e lawyers not soldiers or flying
>>personelle. All that is fine., But recently I watched an episode of JAG on
>TV.
>>These guys and woman were all highly decorated. The lead even wore naval
>>aviators wings. Everyone was covered with ribbons and rank and they looked
>to
>>be in first class physical condition. And all very good looking. I think
>back
>>to those JAG officers in WWII, the pudgy brigade and compare them to those
>in
>>the TV series. Ain't Hollywood wonderful? (grin)
>
>>Arthur Kramer
>>344th BG 494th BS
>> England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
>>Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
>>http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer
>
>
>
>"Your stuff is the most interesting on this NG. You can't beat being
>there no matter what. I look for your posts every time I log on. Keep
>'em flying."
>
>-Art Kramer praising himself while posting as "Autocollimator."


You have a diseased mind. No wonder the military wouldn't take you.

Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

[Mike Marron]

(ArtKramr) wrote:
>>Mike Marron wrote:

>>"Your stuff is the most interesting on this NG. You can't beat being
>>there no matter what. I look for your posts every time I log on. Keep
>>'em flying."

>>-Art Kramer praising himself while posting as "Autocollimator."

>You have a diseased mind. No wonder the military wouldn't take you.

************************************************** *******************************

"Have been reading your website. Great stuff . I have some questions.
We'll do it e-mail. Thanks."

************************************************** ********************************

--Art Kramer enjoying a discussion on RAM with "Autocollimator" (e.g:
Art having a discussion with Art....)

[Bill Silvey]

"Mike Marron" > wrote in message

>> (ArtKramr) wrote:
>
>> When we were stationed at Florennes Belgium a bunch of officers
>> showed up one day. They were a strange lookign lot. Kind of pudgy
>> and out of shape looking.Didn't look very military at all. In
>> discussions they didn't seem to know much about military flying but
>> had higher rank than most of us; caprtains and majors and even a
>> Lt.Col. They wore no wings and had no battle stars or decorations
>> of any kind. Who the hell were they? Well it turned out that they
>> were JAG officers; Judge advocate General's Office. They were
>> military lawyers. All of which is ok. After all they we e lawyers
>> not soldiers or flying personelle. All that is fine., But recently I
>> watched an episode of JAG on TV. These guys and woman were all
>> highly decorated. The lead even wore naval aviators wings. Everyone
>> was covered with ribbons and rank and they looked to be in first
>> class physical condition. And all very good looking. I think back to
>> those JAG officers in WWII, the pudgy brigade and compare them to
>> those in the TV series. Ain't Hollywood wonderful? (grin)
>
>> Arthur Kramer
>> 344th BG 494th BS
>> England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
>> Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
>> http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer
>
>
>
> "Your stuff is the most interesting on this NG. You can't beat being
> there no matter what. I look for your posts every time I log on. Keep
> 'em flying."
>
> -Art Kramer praising himself while posting as "Autocollimator."

I can't get enough info from the headers; is Art really using a sock-puppet?
(Questions of content aside.)

--
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Remove the X's in my email address to respond.
"Damn you Silvey, and your endless fortunes." - Stephen Weir
I hate furries.

[ArtKramr]

>Subject: Re: Ain't Hollywood wonderful?
>From: "Bill Silvey"
>Date: 10/31/03 9:51 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>"Mike Marron" > wrote in message

>>> (ArtKramr) wrote:
>>
>>> When we were stationed at Florennes Belgium a bunch of officers
>>> showed up one day. They were a strange lookign lot. Kind of pudgy
>>> and out of shape looking.Didn't look very military at all. In
>>> discussions they didn't seem to know much about military flying but
>>> had higher rank than most of us; caprtains and majors and even a
>>> Lt.Col. They wore no wings and had no battle stars or decorations
>>> of any kind. Who the hell were they? Well it turned out that they
>>> were JAG officers; Judge advocate General's Office. They were
>>> military lawyers. All of which is ok. After all they we e lawyers
>>> not soldiers or flying personelle. All that is fine., But recently I
>>> watched an episode of JAG on TV. These guys and woman were all
>>> highly decorated. The lead even wore naval aviators wings. Everyone
>>> was covered with ribbons and rank and they looked to be in first
>>> class physical condition. And all very good looking. I think back to
>>> those JAG officers in WWII, the pudgy brigade and compare them to
>>> those in the TV series. Ain't Hollywood wonderful? (grin)
>>
>>> Arthur Kramer
>>> 344th BG 494th BS
>>> England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
>>> Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
>>> http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer
>>
>>
>>
>> "Your stuff is the most interesting on this NG. You can't beat being
>> there no matter what. I look for your posts every time I log on. Keep
>> 'em flying."
>>
>> -Art Kramer praising himself while posting as "Autocollimator."
>
>I can't get enough info from the headers; is Art really using a sock-puppet?
>(Questions of content aside.)
>


What do you think?

Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

[Mike Marron]

>"Bill Silvey" > wrote:

>I can't get enough info from the headers; is Art really using a sock-puppet?
>(Questions of content aside.)

I'm also unable to determine the IP address Bill (I'm using the
free version of Agent newsreader) but for the reasons given, I'm
convinced that "Autocollimator" = Art Kramer.

[John Mullen]

"Mike Marron" > wrote in message
...
> >"Bill Silvey" > wrote:
>
> >I can't get enough info from the headers; is Art really using a
sock-puppet?
> >(Questions of content aside.)
>
> I'm also unable to determine the IP address Bill (I'm using the
> free version of Agent newsreader) but for the reasons given, I'm
> convinced that "Autocollimator" = Art Kramer.

What reasons were those?

John

[Mike Marron]

>"John Mullen" > wrote:
>>"Mike Marron" > wrote:
>>>"Bill Silvey" > wrote:

>>>I can't get enough info from the headers; is Art really using a
>>>sock-puppet? (Questions of content aside.)

>>I'm also unable to determine the IP address Bill (I'm using the
>>free version of Agent newsreader) but for the reasons given, I'm
>>convinced that "Autocollimator" = Art Kramer.

>What reasons were those?

If you had been following Kramer's "40,000 Plus Hits. Thank you all"
thread on this forum you would know, John.

[John Mullen]

"Mike Marron" > wrote in message
...
> >"John Mullen" > wrote:
> >>"Mike Marron" > wrote:
> >>>"Bill Silvey" > wrote:
>
> >>>I can't get enough info from the headers; is Art really using a
> >>>sock-puppet? (Questions of content aside.)
>
> >>I'm also unable to determine the IP address Bill (I'm using the
> >>free version of Agent newsreader) but for the reasons given, I'm
> >>convinced that "Autocollimator" = Art Kramer.
>
> >What reasons were those?
>
> If you had been following Kramer's "40,000 Plus Hits. Thank you all"
> thread on this forum you would know, John.

Just read it. Not convinced by your argument. Why would Art do that?

John

[Mike Marron]

>"John Mullen" > wrote:
>>"Mike Marron" > wrote:

>>If you had been following Kramer's "40,000 Plus Hits. Thank you all"
>>thread on this forum you would know, John.

>Just read it. Not convinced by your argument. Why would Art do that?

Think what you like, John, but I think that I have clearly explained
why Kramer would do that and I'm not going to waste my time trying
to convince you of anything.

[John Mullen]

"Mike Marron" > wrote in message
...
> >"John Mullen" > wrote:
> >>"Mike Marron" > wrote:
>
> >>If you had been following Kramer's "40,000 Plus Hits. Thank you all"
> >>thread on this forum you would know, John.
>
> >Just read it. Not convinced by your argument. Why would Art do that?
>
> Think what you like, John, but I think that I have clearly explained
> why Kramer would do that and I'm not going to waste my time trying
> to convince you of anything.

<plonk>

[ArtKramr]

>Subject: Re: Ain't Hollywood wonderful?
>From: "John Mullen"
>Date: 11/1/03 9:59 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>"Mike Marron" > wrote in message
...
>> >"John Mullen" > wrote:
>> >>"Mike Marron" > wrote:
>>
>> >>If you had been following Kramer's "40,000 Plus Hits. Thank you all"
>> >>thread on this forum you would know, John.
>>
>> >Just read it. Not convinced by your argument. Why would Art do that?
>>
>> Think what you like, John, but I think that I have clearly explained
>> why Kramer would do that and I'm not going to waste my time trying
>> to convince you of anything.
>
><plonk>
>
>


Knocking over the chessboard is not an alternate way of playing chess. (grin)



Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

[Mike Marron]

> (ArtKramr) wrote:

>Knocking over the chessboard is not an alternate way of playing chess. (grin)

Hiding behind your chicken**** "Autocollimator" alias is another
alternate way of playing chess. Speaking of Mr. "Autocollimator,"
since I made the connection between you and him, curious
how "Autocollimator" suddenly stopped posting, no?

Get real, Kramer. You played the game, and you lost the game.

[John Mullen]

"ArtKramr" > wrote in message
...
> >Subject: Re: Ain't Hollywood wonderful?
> >From: "John Mullen"
> >Date: 11/1/03 9:59 AM Pacific Standard Time
> >Message-id: >
> >
> >"Mike Marron" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> >"John Mullen" > wrote:
> >> >>"Mike Marron" > wrote:
> >>
> >> >>If you had been following Kramer's "40,000 Plus Hits. Thank you all"
> >> >>thread on this forum you would know, John.
> >>
> >> >Just read it. Not convinced by your argument. Why would Art do that?
> >>
> >> Think what you like, John, but I think that I have clearly explained
> >> why Kramer would do that and I'm not going to waste my time trying
> >> to convince you of anything.
> >
> ><plonk>
> >
> >
>
>
> Knocking over the chessboard is not an alternate way of playing chess.
(grin)

Ah hell, I gave the guy one chance too many already. He *never* posted
anything interesting that I saw anyway. Life's too short...

John

[ArtKramr]

>Subject: Re: Ain't Hollywood wonderful?
>From: "John Mullen"
>Date: 11/1/03 10:23 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>"ArtKramr" > wrote in message
...
>> >Subject: Re: Ain't Hollywood wonderful?
>> >From: "John Mullen"
>> >Date: 11/1/03 9:59 AM Pacific Standard Time
>> >Message-id: >
>> >
>> >"Mike Marron" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >> >"John Mullen" > wrote:
>> >> >>"Mike Marron" > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >>If you had been following Kramer's "40,000 Plus Hits. Thank you all"
>> >> >>thread on this forum you would know, John.
>> >>
>> >> >Just read it. Not convinced by your argument. Why would Art do that?
>> >>
>> >> Think what you like, John, but I think that I have clearly explained
>> >> why Kramer would do that and I'm not going to waste my time trying
>> >> to convince you of anything.
>> >
>> ><plonk>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> Knocking over the chessboard is not an alternate way of playing chess.
>(grin)
>
>Ah hell, I gave the guy one chance too many already. He *never* posted
>anything interesting that I saw anyway. Life's too short...
>
>John
>
>


He is a bore especially when he brags about his "flying" experience and skills
as a pilot. I think maybe guilt over the fact that he never got into military
flying may be behind a lot of his bad behavior. Just a guess of course. I'd
plonk him but he is fun to watch. (grin)

Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

[Mike Marron]

> (ArtKramr) wrote:

>He is a bore especially when he brags about his "flying" experience and skills
>as a pilot. I think maybe guilt over the fact that he never got into military
>flying may be behind a lot of his bad behavior.

If exposing you for what you are (e.g: a self-aggrandizing,
schizophrenic, bald-faced lying coward) is "bad behavior,"
then so be it.

>Just a guess of course. I'd plonk him but he is fun to watch. (grin)

I'd plonk you and your "Autocollimator" twin if it weren't so much fun
to watch.

[Brian Colwell]

"Mike Marron" > wrote in message
...
> > (ArtKramr) wrote:
>
> >He is a bore especially when he brags about his "flying" experience and
skills
> >as a pilot. I think maybe guilt over the fact that he never got into
military
> >flying may be behind a lot of his bad behavior.
>
> If exposing you for what you are (e.g: a self-aggrandizing,
> schizophrenic, bald-faced lying coward) is "bad behavior,"
> then so be it.
>
Take a look in a mirror, you have got to be the most objectionable
individuals on this n/g. Your abrasive *personality* is almost too much to
take !

Why don't leave and go fly your Kite !

BMC

[Mike Marron]

>"Brian Colwell" > wrote:

>Take a look in a mirror, you have got to be the most objectionable
>individuals on this n/g. Your abrasive *personality* is almost too much to
>take !

Damn I'm good!

>Why don't leave and go fly your Kite !

I do that every day and I'm flown out. ;))

[sirius]

> If exposing you for what you are (e.g: a self-aggrandizing,
> schizophrenic, bald-faced lying coward) is "bad behavior,"
> then so be it.
>
> >Just a guess of course. I'd plonk him but he is fun to watch. (grin)
>
> I'd plonk you and your "Autocollimator" twin if it weren't so much fun
> to watch.


I come back here for the first time in months hoping, but not expecting,
that the newsgroup won't be full of **** like this.

Screw it. I've had enough and wild horses couldn't drag me back here.

Feel free to post all manner of good riddance replies, but I won't see
them.

Jeff

[WaltBJ]

Mike Marron > wrote in message
SNIP ad hominem comments not relevant to aviation in any way.

Just what we need on r.a.m. - another Tarver clone. Plonk!

[Mike Marron]

> (WaltBJ) wrote:

>Just what we need on r.a.m. - another Tarver clone. Plonk!

Nobody despises Tarver more than I do. I'm outta' here. Have fun guys!

[John Keeney]

"WaltBJ" > wrote in message
...
> Mike Marron > wrote in message
> SNIP ad hominem comments not relevant to aviation in any way.
>
> Just what we need on r.a.m. - another Tarver clone. Plonk!

While I understand the 'plonk" sentiment, Mike is not a
Tarver clone.
Poison Ivy and flat beer are also both annoying but no cloning
involved.
All are just alternate examples of the universe's infinite perversity.

[Tarver Engineering]

"John Keeney" > wrote in message
...
>
> "WaltBJ" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Mike Marron > wrote in message
> > SNIP ad hominem comments not relevant to aviation in any way.
> >
> > Just what we need on r.a.m. - another Tarver clone. Plonk!
>
> While I understand the 'plonk" sentiment,

I am not in walt's killfile, so i doubt you do understand.

> Mike is not a Tarver clone.

Marron came to ram with nothing and left the same way.

[Tarver Engineering]

"Mike Marron" > wrote in message
...
> > (WaltBJ) wrote:
>
> >Just what we need on r.a.m. - another Tarver clone. Plonk!
>
> Nobody despises Tarver more than I do. I'm outta' here. Have fun guys!

That's right Mike, go back to being a sock.

I know Dud and Schmidt kiss your ass then.

[[email protected]]

"sirius" > wrote:

>> If exposing you for what you are (e.g: a self-aggrandizing,
>> schizophrenic, bald-faced lying coward) is "bad behavior,"
>> then so be it.
>>
>> >Just a guess of course. I'd plonk him but he is fun to watch. (grin)
>>
>> I'd plonk you and your "Autocollimator" twin if it weren't so much fun
>> to watch.
>
>
>I come back here for the first time in months hoping, but not expecting,
>that the newsgroup won't be full of **** like this.
>
>Screw it. I've had enough and wild horses couldn't drag me back here.
>
>Feel free to post all manner of good riddance replies, but I won't see
>them.
>
>Jeff
>
It's our loss Jeff, I like your book (bought it awhile ago) and
use it often, good source of data. Thank you.
--

-Gord.