RR F.T.B. Mustang?

[robert arndt]

Anyone have a photo of the wooden mock-up for the British RR F.T.B.
Mustang? This was a mid-engine contra-prop attack aircraft with a RR
Griffon engine planned for '44/'45.

Rob

[Dave Kearton]

"robert arndt" > wrote in message
om...
> Anyone have a photo of the wooden mock-up for the British RR F.T.B.
> Mustang? This was a mid-engine contra-prop attack aircraft with a RR
> Griffon engine planned for '44/'45.
>
> Rob


Showing my ignorance here - are you referring to the Martin Baker MB 5 ???






Cheers

Dave Kearton

[Dave Eadsforth]

In article >, Dave Kearton
> writes
>"robert arndt" > wrote in message
om...
>> Anyone have a photo of the wooden mock-up for the British RR F.T.B.
>> Mustang? This was a mid-engine contra-prop attack aircraft with a RR
>> Griffon engine planned for '44/'45.
>>
>> Rob
>
>
>Showing my ignorance here - are you referring to the Martin Baker MB 5 ???
>
>Cheers
>
>Dave Kearton
>
>
There was a RR proposal for a Merlin mid-engined Mustang, and there is a
poor photo of it in William Green's mini books. Don't thing it was to
use a contra-prop.

Cheers,

Dave

--
Dave Eadsforth

[robert arndt]

"Dave Kearton" > wrote in message >...
> "robert arndt" > wrote in message
> om...
> > Anyone have a photo of the wooden mock-up for the British RR F.T.B.
> > Mustang? This was a mid-engine contra-prop attack aircraft with a RR
> > Griffon engine planned for '44/'45.
> >
> > Rob
>
>
> Showing my ignorance here - are you referring to the Martin Baker MB 5 ???
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Dave Kearton


No, I'm looking for the real wooden mock-up of this aircraft:

http://www.geocities.com/uni1ua/bigph/mustang.htm

Rob

[Andrew Chaplin]

robert arndt wrote:
>
> No, I'm looking for the real wooden mock-up of this aircraft:
>
> http://www.geocities.com/uni1ua/bigph/mustang.htm

I gather it never made it past the concept stage. It looks as if its
power train would have been interesting, to say the least.
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)

[Steve Hix]

In article >,
Andrew Chaplin > wrote:

> robert arndt wrote:
> >
> > No, I'm looking for the real wooden mock-up of this aircraft:
> >
> > http://www.geocities.com/uni1ua/bigph/mustang.htm
>
> I gather it never made it past the concept stage. It looks as if its
> power train would have been interesting, to say the least.

Looks a bit like the Fisher XP-72.

Which is not exactly a compliment, mind.

[Dave Eadsforth]

In article >, Andrew Chaplin
> writes
>robert arndt wrote:
>>
>> No, I'm looking for the real wooden mock-up of this aircraft:
>>
>> http://www.geocities.com/uni1ua/bigph/mustang.htm
>
>I gather it never made it past the concept stage. It looks as if its
>power train would have been interesting, to say the least.
>--
>Andrew Chaplin
>SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
>(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)

The power train would be variously more/less interesting depending on
whether the propeller pitch mechanism was electric or hydraulic (e.g.
the de Havilland Hydromatic prop). With hydraulic, the drive shaft
would have to have been hollow to take oil at engine pressure to the
prop.

One of the advantages of mid-engine appears to have been better options
for CoG. The Sabre engine was so heavy that the Typhoon had its rear
engine bearers located on the front wing spar, which gave a very stubby
nose and consequent poor streamlining.

The concept was given a fictional treatment in David Bruce's 'Prototype'
(see amazon.co.uk) where a Sabre-engined prototype fighter of 1942 uses
that configuration.

Cheers,

Dave

--
Dave Eadsforth

[robert arndt]

Dave Eadsforth > wrote in message >...
> In article >, Andrew Chaplin
> > writes
> >robert arndt wrote:
> >>
> >> No, I'm looking for the real wooden mock-up of this aircraft:
> >>
> >> http://www.geocities.com/uni1ua/bigph/mustang.htm
> >
> >I gather it never made it past the concept stage. It looks as if its
> >power train would have been interesting, to say the least.
> >--
> >Andrew Chaplin
> >SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
> >(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)
>
> The power train would be variously more/less interesting depending on
> whether the propeller pitch mechanism was electric or hydraulic (e.g.
> the de Havilland Hydromatic prop). With hydraulic, the drive shaft
> would have to have been hollow to take oil at engine pressure to the
> prop.
>
> One of the advantages of mid-engine appears to have been better options
> for CoG. The Sabre engine was so heavy that the Typhoon had its rear
> engine bearers located on the front wing spar, which gave a very stubby
> nose and consequent poor streamlining.
>
> The concept was given a fictional treatment in David Bruce's 'Prototype'
> (see amazon.co.uk) where a Sabre-engined prototype fighter of 1942 uses
> that configuration.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave

Thanks for the info Dave. I'll buy the book... but still want to see a
photo of the F.T.B. Mustang mock-up.
For those interested in David Bruce's "Prototype" (a Wren Type VI
fighter):
http://www.author.co.uk/prototype.html

Rob

[robert arndt]

>
> The concept was given a fictional treatment in David Bruce's 'Prototype'
> (see amazon.co.uk) where a Sabre-engined prototype fighter of 1942 uses
> that configuration.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave


In "Prototype" the ficticious aircraft was a Wren Type VI fighter.
While searching for a layout of this aircraft I came across a real
British Wren- the 1923 English Electric motor-glider:


http://www.shuttleworth.org/collection/wren.htm

I wonder if the author knew about this?

Rob

[Alan Minyard]

On Mon, 3 Nov 2003 05:05:45 +0000, Dave Eadsforth > wrote:

>In article >, Andrew Chaplin
> writes
>>robert arndt wrote:
>>>
>>> No, I'm looking for the real wooden mock-up of this aircraft:
>>>
>>> http://www.geocities.com/uni1ua/bigph/mustang.htm
>>
>>I gather it never made it past the concept stage. It looks as if its
>>power train would have been interesting, to say the least.
>>--
>>Andrew Chaplin
>>SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
>>(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)
>
>The power train would be variously more/less interesting depending on
>whether the propeller pitch mechanism was electric or hydraulic (e.g.
>the de Havilland Hydromatic prop). With hydraulic, the drive shaft
>would have to have been hollow to take oil at engine pressure to the
>prop.
>
>One of the advantages of mid-engine appears to have been better options
>for CoG. The Sabre engine was so heavy that the Typhoon had its rear
>engine bearers located on the front wing spar, which gave a very stubby
>nose and consequent poor streamlining.
>
>The concept was given a fictional treatment in David Bruce's 'Prototype'
>(see amazon.co.uk) where a Sabre-engined prototype fighter of 1942 uses
>that configuration.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Dave

The US built P-39 Airacobra and P-63 Kingcobra were mid engined and were operational
through most of the war.

Al Minyard