Coalition casualties for October

[Michael Petukhov]

http://www1.iraqwar.ru/iraq-read_article.php?articleId=25162&lang=en

Coalition servicemen killed in the war against Iraq:

Total announced as of 2nd of November: 433 (377 US, 51 UK, 1 Denmark,
3 Spain, 1 Ukraine)

Total casualties after 1st of May: 262 (239 US, 18 UK, 1 Denmark, 3
Spain, 1 Ukraine)

Casualties divided by service branch:
Note! The number in brackets indicates how many of the total
casualties are from Territorial Army, National Guard or Reserves.

87 (US Marine Corps)
271 [23] (US Army)
5 [1] (US Air Force)
6 (US Navy)
8 (US Special Operations Command)

6 (Royal Navy)
4 (Royal Air Force)
10 (Royal Marines)
31 [3] (Royal Army)

1 (Danish Army)
1 (Ukrainian Army)
1 (Spanish Intelligence Center)
2 (Spanish Army)

Aircraft losses by aircraft type and nationality:

8 Attack Helicopters (US)
10 Transport Helicopters (US)
1 Combat Assault Hel. (US)
1 Medevac Helicopters (US)
1 Reconnaissance Hel. (US)
2 Strike Planes (US)
1 Attack/ASW Planes (US)
4 Fighters (US)
1 UAV (US)

2 Transport Helicopters (UK)
1 Strike Plane (UK)
1 UAV (UK)

Armor losses by vehicle type and nationality:

12 Main Battle Tanks (US)
7 Infantry Fighting Vehicles (US)
2 Armored Personnel Carrier (US)
1 Self-propelled Artillery Piece (US)

1 Main Battle Tank (UK)
2 Infantry Fighting Vehicles (UK)

2 Armored Personnel Carrier (Ukraine)

Note: To save space details on casualties have been omitted excepting
the last month.

01/10/03 (3 killed)

Command Sgt. Maj. James D. Blankenbecler, 40. Killed on Oct. 1 in
Samarra, Iraq. Blankenbecler was in a convoy that was hit by an
improvised explosive device and rocket propelled grenades.
Blankenbecler died of his injuries. (1st Battalion, 44th Air Defense
Artillery Regiment)

Pfc. Analaura Esparza Gutierrez, 21. Killed on Oct. 1 in Tikrit, Iraq.
Esparza Gutierrez was in a convoy that was hit by an improvised
explosive device and rocket propelled grenades. (A Company, 4th
Forward Support Battalion)
Spc. Simeon Hunte, 23. Killed on Oct. 1 in Al Khadra, Iraq. Hunte was
on patrol when an Iraqi citizen approached and shot him. (1st
Battalion, 13th Armored Regiment, 3rd Brigade Combat Team, 1st Armored
Division)

03/10/03 (1 killed)

Pfc. Charles M. Sims, 18. Drowned on Oct. 3 in Baghdad, Iraq. (549th
Military Police Company)
04/10/03 (1 killed)

M2 Bradley hit by RPG in Assadah, Iraq (US)
Spc. James H. Pirtle, 27. Killed on Oct. 4 in Assadah, Iraq. Pirtle
was in a Bradley Fighting Vehicle when an RPG struck his vehicle.
Pirtle died of his injuries. (C Company, 2nd Battalion, 8th Infantry
Regiment)

06/10/03 (3 killed)

Spc. Spencer T. Karol, 20. Killed on Oct. 6 in Ar Ramadi, Iraq, while
supporting Operation Iraqi Freedom. Karol was on a mission to observe
enemy activity when a command detonated device exploded. His vehicle
was overturned from the force of the explosion and he was fatally
injured. (165th Military Intelligence, V Corps)

2nd Lt. Richard Torres, 25. Killed on Oct. 6 in Baghdad, Iraq, while
supporting Operation Iraqi Freedom. While on combat patrol, Torres'
convoy was hit by an improvised explosive device. Torres died of his
injuries. (1st Battalion, 32nd Infantry Regiment, 10th Mountain
Division)

Pfc. Kerry D. Scott, 21. Killed on Oct. 6 in Iskandariyah, Iraq. While
on a combat patrol, Scott's convoy was hit by an improvised explosive
device. Scott was one of two soldiers killed in the blast. (1st
Battalion, 32nd Infantry Regiment, 10th Mountain Division)

09/10/03 (4 killed)

Spc. Joseph C. Norquist, 26. Killed on Oct. 9 in Baqubah, Iraq, while
supporting Operation Iraqi Freedom. Norquist was in a convoy that came
under attack from rocket propelled grenades and small arms fire.
Norquist was fatally injured in the incident. (588th Engineer
Battalion)
Staff Sgt. Christopher W. Swisher, 26. Killed in an ambush on Oct. 9
in Baghdad, Iraq. The soldiers were on patrol when their unit was
ambushed by individuals using small arms fire and rocket propelled
grenades. (2nd Armored Cavalry Regiment)

Pvt. Sean A. Silva, 23. Killed in an ambush on Oct. 9 in Baghdad,
Iraq. The soldiers were on patrol when their unit was ambushed by
individuals using small arms fire and rocket propelled grenades. (2nd
Armored Cavalry Regiment)

Sargento primero Jose Antonio Bernal Gomez, 34. Shot on Oct. 9 outside
his house in Baghdad. (National Center of Spanish Intelligence (CNI))

12/10/03 (1 killed)

M2 Bradley struck a mine in Bayji, Iraq (US)

Spc. James E. Powell, 26. Killed on October 12 in Baji, Iraq. Powell
was killed when his M2/A2 Bradley Fighting Vehicle struck an enemy
anti-tank mine. He died as a result of his injuries. (B Company, 1st
Battalion, 22nd Infantry Regiment, 4th Infantry Division)

13/10/03 (5 killed)

Pfc. Stephen E. Wyatt, 19. Killed on Oct. 13 in Balad, Iraq. Wyatt was
in a convoy that was hit by an improvised explosive device and small
arms fire. He died as a result of his injuries. (C Battery, 1st
Battalion, 17th Field Artillery Regiment)
Spc. Donald L. Wheeler, 22. Killed on Oct. 13 in Tikrit, Iraq. Wheeler
was searching for a possible improvised explosive device when his unit
came under attack from a rocket propelled grenade. He died as a result
of his injuries. (A Company, 1st Battalion, 22nd Infantry Regiment,
4th Infantry Division)

Spc. Douglas J. Weismantle, 28. Died on Oct. 13 in Baghdad, Iraq.
Weismantle was driving a high mobility multi-purpose wheeled vehicle
(HMMWV) when an Iraqi dump truck swerved and rolled over on top of his
vehicle. Weismantle died as a result of his injuries.
(Headquarters and Headquarters Company, 1st Battalion, 325th Airborne
Infantry Regiment, 82nd Airborne)

Pfc. Jose Casanova, 23. Died on Oct. 13 in Baghdad, Iraq. Casanova was
in a high mobility multi-purpose wheeled vehicle (HMMWV) when an Iraqi
dump truck swerved and rolled over on top of his vehicle. Casanova was
one of two soldiers who were killed in this incident. (Headquarters
and Headquarters Company, 1st Battalion, 325th Airborne Infantry
Regiment, 82nd Airborne Division)

Pvt. Benjamin L. Freeman, 19. Drowned on Oct. 13 near Al Asad, Iraq.
Soldiers from his unit had been searching for Freeman when they
discovered him floating on the surface of the water near Haditha dam.
Attempts made to resuscitate him were unsuccessful. (K Troop, 3rd
Squadron, 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment)

17/10/03 (4 killed)

Staff Sgt. Joseph P. Bellavia, 28. Died supporting Operation Iraqi
Freedom on Oct. 16 in Karbala, Iraq. The soldiers were attempting to
negotiate with armed men who were congregating on a road near a mosque
after curfew. The Iraqis opened fire killing three soldiers and
wounding seven others. (716th Military Police Battalion, 101st
Airborne Division (Air Assault))

Cpl. Sean R. Grilley, 24. Died supporting Operation Iraqi Freedom on
Oct. 16 in Karbala, Iraq. The soldiers were attempting to negotiate
with armed men who were congregating on a road near a mosque after
curfew. The Iraqis opened fire killing three soldiers and wounding
seven others. (716th Military Police Battalion, 101st Airborne
Division (Air Assault))

Lt. Col. Kim S. Orlando, 43. Died supporting Operation Iraqi Freedom
on Oct. 16 in Karbala, Iraq. The soldiers were attempting to negotiate
with armed men who were congregating on a road near a mosque after
curfew. The Iraqis opened fire killing three soldiers and wounding
seven others. (716th Military Police Battalion, 101st Airborne
Division (Air Assault) Orlando was the commanding officer of the 716th
Military Police Battalion.)

Spc. Michael L. Williams, 46. Killed on October 17, 2003, along MSR
Jackson, near Baghdad, Iraq. Williams was killed in action when his
vehicle ran over an improvised explosive device. He died as a result
of his injuries. (105th Military Police Company, Army National Guard)

18/10/03 (2 killed)

1st Lt. David R. Bernstein, 24. Killed in action on Oct. 18 in Taza,
Iraq, when enemy forces ambushed their patrol using rocket propelled
grenades and small arms fire. (1st Battalion (Airborne), 508th
Infantry Regiment, 173rd Infantry Brigade)
Pfc. John D. Hart, 20. Killed in action on Oct. 18 in Taza, Iraq, when
enemy forces ambushed their patrol using rocket propelled grenades and
small arms fire. (1st Battalion (Airborne), 508th Infantry Regiment,
173rd Infantry Brigade)

20/10/03 (1 killed)

Staff Sgt. Paul J. Johnson, 29. Killed on Oct. 20 in Al Fallujah,
Iraq. Johnson was on a mounted patrol when the vehicle he was riding
in hit an improvised explosive device and later came under small arms
fire by enemy forces. (1st Battalion, 505th Parachute Infantry
Regiment, 82nd Airborne Division)

21/10/03 (1 killed)

Pfc. Paul J. Bueche, 19. Died on Oct. 21 in Balad, Iraq. Bueche was
changing a tire on a UH-60 Black Hawk helicopter when the tire
exploded. (131st Aviation Regiment, Army National Guard)

22/10/03 (2 killed)

Pvt. Jason M. Ward, 25, of Tulsa, Okla., died on Oct. 22 in Baghdad,
Iraq. Ward died of non-combat related injuries. (2nd Battalion, 70th
Armored Regiment, 1st Armored Division)

Spc. John P. Johnson, 24. Died on Oct. 22 in Baghdad, Iraq. Johnson
died of non-combat related injuries. (2nd Battalion, 6th Infantry
Regiment, 1st Armored Division)

23/10/03 (1 killed)

Capt. John R. Teal, 31. Killed on Oct. 23 in Baqubah, Iraq. Teal was
in a convoy when an improvised explosive device exploded. He died of
injuries sustained in the explosion.
(2nd Brigade, 4th Infantry Division)

24/10/03 (3 killed)

Sgt. Michael S. Hancock, 29. Killed on Oct. 24 in Mosul, Iraq. Hancock
was on guard duty when he was shot. He died of his injuries. (1st
Battalion, 320th Field Artillery Regiment)

Spc. Artimus D. Brassfield, 22. Died of wounds received from an enemy
mortar attack Oct. 24 in Samaria, Iraq. (B Company, 1st Battalion,
66th Armored Regiment, 4th Infantry Division)
Spc. Jose L. Mora, 26. Died of wounds received from an enemy mortar
attack Oct. 24 in Samaria, Iraq. (C Company, 1st Battalion, 12th
Infantry Regiment, 4th Infantry Division)

25/10/03

UH-60 Black Hawk helicopter was shot down today by RPG ground fire
near Tikrit (US)

26/10/03 (6 killed)

Sargento de Ingenieros Luis Puga Gándara, 29. Died Oct. 26 after
being shot accidentally by a colleague. (Brigada Multinacional "Plus
Ultra")

Pfc. Steven Acosta, 19. Died on Oct. 26 in Baqubah, Iraq. Acosta died
from a non-hostile gunshot wound. (C Company, 3rd Battalion, 67th
Armored Regiment, 4th Infantry Division)

Lt. Col. Charles H. Buehring, 40. Killed on Oct. 26 in Baghdad, Iraq.
Buehring was fatally injured during a rocket-propelled grenade attack
on the Al-Rasheed Hotel. (Army Central Command Headquarters (Forward))

Pvt. Joseph R. Guerrera, 20. Killed on Oct. 26 in Baghdad, Iraq.
Guerrera was on patrol when his vehicle was hit with an improvised
explosive device. (C Company, 2nd Battalion, 325th Infantry Regiment,
82nd Airborne Division)

Staff Sgt. Jamie L. Huggins, 26. Killed in action on Oct. 26 in
Baghdad, Iraq. Huggins was on patrol when his vehicle was hit with an
improvised explosive device. (C Company, 2nd Battalion, 325th Airborne
Infantry Regiment, 82nd Airborne Division)

Pfc. Rachel K. Bosveld, 19. Killed Oct. 26 in Abu Ghraib, Iraq.
Bosveld was fatally injured during a mortar attack on the Abu Ghraib
Police Station. (527th Military Police Company, V Corps)


27/10/03 (2 killed)
Pvt. Jonathan I. Falaniko, 20. Killed in action on Oct. 27 in Baghdad,
Iraq. Falaniko was near the Al Khadra Police Station in downtown
Baghdad when a vehicle containing an improvised explosive device
detonated. (A Company, 70th Engineer Battalion, 1st Armored Division)

Sgt. Aubrey D. Bell, 33. Killed in action on Oct. 27 in Baghdad, Iraq.
Bell was at the Al Bayra Police Station when his unit came under small
arms fire and an improvised explosive device detonated at his
location. (214th Military Police Company, Alabama National Guard)

28/10/03 (3 killed)

M1 Abrams hit an unidentified explosive device 40 kilometers northeast
of Balad (67th Armored regiment, 4th Infantry Division)
Armored personnel carrier rolled over land mines near Suwayrah
(Ukrainian Army)
Armored personnel carrier rolled over land mines near Suwayrah
(Ukrainian Army)

Sgt. Michael Paul Barrera, 26. Killed on Oct. 28 in Baqubah, Iraq.
Barrera was fatally injured when his tank was hit with an improvised
explosive device. (3rd Battalion, 67th Armor Regiment)

Spec. Isaac Campoy, 21. Killed on Oct. 28 in Baqubah, Iraq. Campoy was
fatally injured when his tank was hit with an improvised explosive
device. (3rd Battalion, 67th Armor Regiment)

Pvt. Algernon Adams, 36. Died on Oct. 28, of non-combat related
injuries at Forward Operating Base St. Mere, Iraq. (122nd Engineer
Battalion, Army National Guard)

02/11/03 (

CH-47 Chinook Transport helicopter shot down near the city of Amiryah
November 2 (12th Aviation Brigade)

LATEST UPDATES:

Names of three soldiers killed 28/10/03



BAGHDAD, Iraq – One 1st Armored Division soldier was killed and six
were wounded in a rocket-propelled grenade attack in Baghdad at
approximately 10 a.m. Oct. 27. The wounded soldiers were taken to a
nearby medical facility for treatment.

The soldiers' names are being withheld pending next-of-kin of
notification.

BAGHDAD, Iraq – One 82d Airborne Division soldier was killed and four
were wounded in an improvised explosive device attack in the
Khaladiyah area, west of Baghdad, at about 8:45 a.m. on October 31.
The wounded soldiers were taken to a nearby medical facility for
treatment.

The soldiers' names are being withheld pending next-of-kin
notification.

MOSUL, Iraq – (Nov. 1, 2003) Two 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault)
soldiers were killed and two were wounded in an improvised explosive
device attack in Mosul at approximately 7:30 a.m. Nov.1. The wounded
soldiers were evacuated to the 21st Combat Support Hospital.

The soldiers' names are being withheld pending next-of-kin
notification.

BAGHDAD, Iraq – A 1st Armored Division soldier died at approximately
3:45 a.m. Nov. 2 from wounds sustained from an improvised explosive
device explosion in Baghdad. The soldier's vehicle struck an IED
shortly after 12 a.m. Nov 2 while responding to a separate incident.
The wounded soldier was evacuated to the 28th Combat Support Hospital.

The soldier's name is being withheld pending notification of next of
kin.

AR RAMADI, Iraq – Fifteen soldiers were killed and 21 were wounded
when a Coalition helicopter went down near the city of Amiryah at
approximately 9 a.m. Sunday, Nov. 2. The helicopter, a CH-47 Chinook,
was transporting personnel to the Baghdad International Airport when
the incident happened. An aerial quick reaction force was immediately
dispatched to the scene and a ground force secured the site, located
near Fallujah.The wounded soldiers were evacuated to nearby medical
facilities. The aircraft is assigned to the 12th Aviation Brigade,
which was operating in support of the 82d Airborne Division Task
Force. The CH-47 Chinook is a medium-duty dual-rotor helicopter
designed to provide medium lift or to carry personnel.

The soldiers' names are being withheld pending next-of-kin
notification.

[Chad Irby]

(Michael Petukhov) wrote:

> http://www1.iraqwar.ru/iraq-read_article.php?articleId=25162&lang=en
>
> Coalition servicemen killed in the war against Iraq:
>
> Total announced as of 2nd of November: 433 (377 US, 51 UK, 1 Denmark,
> 3 Spain, 1 Ukraine)

....which is about ten percent of the Russian deaths in Chechnya for 2002.

Thank heavens the US only had to go up against an army with mostly
Russian equipment to fight with.

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[Michael Petukhov]

Chad Irby > wrote in message >...
> (Michael Petukhov) wrote:
>
> > http://www1.iraqwar.ru/iraq-read_article.php?articleId=25162&lang=en
> >
> > Coalition servicemen killed in the war against Iraq:
> >
> > Total announced as of 2nd of November: 433 (377 US, 51 UK, 1 Denmark,
> > 3 Spain, 1 Ukraine)
>
> ...which is about ten percent of the Russian deaths in Chechnya for 2002.
>
> Thank heavens the US only had to go up against an army with mostly
> Russian equipment to fight with.

Don't know how about others but this "Thank heavens..." sounds a bit
stuipid to me. Yes, 10% of TOTAL russian losses so far! As for
200, russian losses for 2002 in chechenya were very close to those
433 and not to 4330 as many here would prefer to believe. In 2002
we were lossing 1 man per day on average. Since than it went down.
At least during last couple weeks particularlly after new chechen
president elections I have not seen any info on new russian military
deaths in Chechenya. Although there were reports of several chechen
policemen wounded and some (around 10 I think) chechen bandits killed.
That's all. Basaev seems left since it is already a month as his
voice is not heard by radio. I guess he is practicing at US helicopters
in Iraq.

Michael

[phil hunt]

On 2 Nov 2003 22:49:06 -0800, Michael Petukhov > wrote:
>31 [3] (Royal Army)

Which country's army is this? It's obviously not the UK.

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[Chad Irby]

In article >,
(Michael Petukhov) wrote:

> Chad Irby > wrote in message
> >...
> > (Michael Petukhov) wrote:
> >
> > > http://www1.iraqwar.ru/iraq-read_article.php?articleId=25162&lang=en
> > >
> > > Coalition servicemen killed in the war against Iraq:
> > >
> > > Total announced as of 2nd of November: 433 (377 US, 51 UK, 1 Denmark,
> > > 3 Spain, 1 Ukraine)
> >
> > ...which is about ten percent of the Russian deaths in Chechnya for 2002.
> >
> > Thank heavens the US only had to go up against an army with mostly
> > Russian equipment to fight with.
>
> Don't know how about others but this "Thank heavens..." sounds a bit
> stuipid to me. Yes, 10% of TOTAL russian losses so far!

....for six months, compared to a year.

Not "total."

You're still going off of the old "official" numbers, not the
recently-revised ones that show more deaths in one year than they used
to admit for the entire campaign.

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[Matt Wiser]

Chad Irby > wrote:
(Michael Petukhov) wrote:
>
>> http://www1.iraqwar.ru/iraq-read_article.php?articleId=25162&lang=en
>>
>> Coalition servicemen killed in the war against
>Iraq:
>>
>> Total announced as of 2nd of November: 433
>(377 US, 51 UK, 1 Denmark,
>> 3 Spain, 1 Ukraine)
>
>....which is about ten percent of the Russian
>deaths in Chechnya for 2002.
>
>Thank heavens the US only had to go up against
>an army with mostly
>Russian equipment to fight with.
>
>--
>cirby at cfl.rr.com
>
>Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be
>hallucinations.
>Slam on brakes accordingly.
It seems that Mr. Petukhov is still at it, and is not very supportive or
symapthetic to non-Soviet/Russian POVs. Remember: the world doesn't revolve
around Moscow, much as the Soviets wished it would. Russia is like France:
Once they were an empire, now they aren't, and have lost a lot of prestige
and territory as a result. Wistful thinking won't bring back the old empire
or prestige that came with it.

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[Michael Petukhov]

Chad Irby > wrote in message >...
> In article >,
> (Michael Petukhov) wrote:
>
> > Chad Irby > wrote in message
> > >...
> > > (Michael Petukhov) wrote:
> > >
> > > > http://www1.iraqwar.ru/iraq-read_article.php?articleId=25162&lang=en
> > > >
> > > > Coalition servicemen killed in the war against Iraq:
> > > >
> > > > Total announced as of 2nd of November: 433 (377 US, 51 UK, 1 Denmark,
> > > > 3 Spain, 1 Ukraine)
> > >
> > > ...which is about ten percent of the Russian deaths in Chechnya for 2002.
> > >
> > > Thank heavens the US only had to go up against an army with mostly
> > > Russian equipment to fight with.
> >
> > Don't know how about others but this "Thank heavens..." sounds a bit
> > stuipid to me. Yes, 10% of TOTAL russian losses so far!
>
> ...for six months, compared to a year.
>
> Not "total."
>
> You're still going off of the old "official" numbers, not the
> recently-revised ones that show more deaths in one year than they used
> to admit for the entire campaign.

Crap, which even you cannot believe in. Note US casualties I have cited
are official pentagon numbers as well. For isntance we still do not know
how many US servicemen died in hospitals outside of Iraq etc.

Michael

[Michael Petukhov]

(phil hunt) wrote in message >...
> On 2 Nov 2003 22:49:06 -0800, Michael Petukhov > wrote:
> >31 [3] (Royal Army)
>
> Which country's army is this? It's obviously not the UK.


obviously it is.

Michael

[phil hunt]

On 4 Nov 2003 01:00:23 -0800, Michael Petukhov > wrote:
(phil hunt) wrote in message >...
>> On 2 Nov 2003 22:49:06 -0800, Michael Petukhov > wrote:
>> >31 [3] (Royal Army)
>>
>> Which country's army is this? It's obviously not the UK.
>
>obviously it is.

I think you could do with knowing more about the history of the
British army, particularly the circumstances under whjich it was set
up.

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[Thomas Schoene]

Michael Petukhov wrote:
> (phil hunt) wrote in message
> >...
>> On 2 Nov 2003 22:49:06 -0800, Michael Petukhov
>> > wrote:
>>> 31 [3] (Royal Army)
>>
>> Which country's army is this? It's obviously not the UK.
>
>
> obviously it is.

There is no such thing as the "Royal Army." The British Army is not "royal"
though some of it regiments are.

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[Keith Willshaw]

"Michael Petukhov" > wrote in message
om...
> (phil hunt) wrote in message
>...
> > On 2 Nov 2003 22:49:06 -0800, Michael Petukhov >
wrote:
> > >31 [3] (Royal Army)
> >
> > Which country's army is this? It's obviously not the UK.
>
>
> obviously it is.

Britain doesnt have a Royal Army

Royal Air Force and Royal Navy but British Army.

You can thank Oliver Cromwell for that :)

Keith

[Michael Petukhov]

"Keith Willshaw" > wrote in message >...
> "Michael Petukhov" > wrote in message
> om...
> > (phil hunt) wrote in message
> >...
> > > On 2 Nov 2003 22:49:06 -0800, Michael Petukhov >
> wrote:
> > > >31 [3] (Royal Army)
> > >
> > > Which country's army is this? It's obviously not the UK.
> >
> >
> > obviously it is.
>
> Britain doesnt have a Royal Army
>
> Royal Air Force and Royal Navy but British Army.

Hm... Yet another abnormality of British.

>
> You can thank Oliver Cromwell for that :)

BTW I can imagine why Royal air force but British Army.
but why the hell Royal Navy but British Army? There were
both navy and army in Cromwell's times as far as I
understand.

Michael

>
> Keith

[Keith Willshaw]

"Michael Petukhov" > wrote in message
om...
> "Keith Willshaw" > wrote in message
>...
> > "Michael Petukhov" > wrote in message
> > om...
> > > (phil hunt) wrote in message
> > >...
> > > > On 2 Nov 2003 22:49:06 -0800, Michael Petukhov
>
> > wrote:
> > > > >31 [3] (Royal Army)
> > > >
> > > > Which country's army is this? It's obviously not the UK.
> > >
> > >
> > > obviously it is.
> >
> > Britain doesnt have a Royal Army
> >
> > Royal Air Force and Royal Navy but British Army.
>
> Hm... Yet another abnormality of British.
>
> >
> > You can thank Oliver Cromwell for that :)
>
> BTW I can imagine why Royal air force but British Army.
> but why the hell Royal Navy but British Army? There were
> both navy and army in Cromwell's times as far as I
> understand.
>

Actually there was no standing army in Cromwells time
but there was a navy. Rulers raised armies at need.
Cromwell raised the first permament army, called the
'New Model Army' as a professional fighting force
and since they were fighting the King's forces at the
time it was definitely not a Royal Army.

Of course the Royal Navy mostly sided with Parliament
but thats another story :)

After the death of Oliver Cromwell it was General Monck's
march from Coldstream, on the Scotiish Border, at the
head of his regiment that finally brought down the Commonwealth
and allowed the King to return.

The compromise reached by the Convention Parliament meant that
the new army was to be neither Royalist nor Parliametarian force but
a British Army and Monck's Regiment of Foot, last unit of the New Model
Army
became the first Regiment of the new British Army and was named
the Coldstream Regiment of Foot Guards , later just the Coldstream Guards

Keith

[Chad Irby]

In article >,
(Michael Petukhov) wrote:

> Chad Irby > wrote:
> > Not "total."
> >
> > You're still going off of the old "official" numbers, not the
> > recently-revised ones that show more deaths in one year than they used
> > to admit for the entire campaign.
>
> Crap, which even you cannot believe in.

Quite easy to believe in, I'm afraid.

You guys are getting your butts kicked in Chechnya, and the government
is afraid to tell you.

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[John Mullen]

"Chad Irby" > wrote in message
. com...
> In article >,
> (Michael Petukhov) wrote:
>
> > Chad Irby > wrote:
> > > Not "total."
> > >
> > > You're still going off of the old "official" numbers, not the
> > > recently-revised ones that show more deaths in one year than they used
> > > to admit for the entire campaign.
> >
> > Crap, which even you cannot believe in.
>
> Quite easy to believe in, I'm afraid.
>
> You guys are getting your butts kicked in Chechnya, and the government
> is afraid to tell you.

So, good comparison then, you mean?

John

[Chad Irby]

In article >,
"John Mullen" > wrote:

> "Chad Irby" > wrote in message
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> > Quite easy to believe in, I'm afraid.
> >
> > You guys are getting your butts kicked in Chechnya, and the government
> > is afraid to tell you.
>
> So, good comparison then, you mean?

Adise from the massively higher death ratio for a much smaller
population, with one million Chechens compared to 24 million Iraqis?

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"Keith Willshaw" > wrote in message
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> > > > > On 2 Nov 2003 22:49:06 -0800, Michael Petukhov
> >
> > > wrote:
> > > > > >31 [3] (Royal Army)
> > > > >
> > > > > Which country's army is this? It's obviously not the UK.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > obviously it is.
> > >
> > > Britain doesnt have a Royal Army
> > >
> > > Royal Air Force and Royal Navy but British Army.
> >
> > Hm... Yet another abnormality of British.
> >
> > >
> > > You can thank Oliver Cromwell for that :)
> >
> > BTW I can imagine why Royal air force but British Army.
> > but why the hell Royal Navy but British Army? There were
> > both navy and army in Cromwell's times as far as I
> > understand.
> >
>
> Actually there was no standing army in Cromwells time
> but there was a navy. Rulers raised armies at need.
> Cromwell raised the first permament army, called the
> 'New Model Army' as a professional fighting force
> and since they were fighting the King's forces at the
> time it was definitely not a Royal Army.
>
> Of course the Royal Navy mostly sided with Parliament
> but thats another story :)
>
> After the death of Oliver Cromwell it was General Monck's
> march from Coldstream, on the Scotiish Border, at the
> head of his regiment that finally brought down the Commonwealth
> and allowed the King to return.
>
> The compromise reached by the Convention Parliament meant that
> the new army was to be neither Royalist nor Parliametarian force but
> a British Army and Monck's Regiment of Foot, last unit of the New Model
> Army
> became the first Regiment of the new British Army and was named
> the Coldstream Regiment of Foot Guards , later just the Coldstream Guards

1650 Colonel Monck's Regiment of Foot
1660 Duke of Albemarle's Regiment of Foot
1661 Duke of Albemarle's Regiment of Foot Guards
1670 Coldstream Regiment of Foot Guards
1855 Coldstream Guards

Of course the Grenadier Guards have higher precendence.

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> Keith
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