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Yeff
December 6th 03, 11:26 PM
http://www.sgtstryker.com/weblog/archives/004125.php#004125

1. You've ever slept on the concrete under a wing.

2. You never go anywhere without your red and black pencils and your line
badge, including church.

3. You've wished your jet would drop a MK-84 on Saddam Hussein's house.

4. You've ever said "oh yes sir, it's supposed to look like that."

5. You know what a pointy head is.

6. You know what an R&I trailer is.

7. You consider 'moly-b' fingerprints on food an 'acquired taste'.

8. You've ever sucked lox to cure a hangover.

9. You know what jet fuel tastes like.

10. You've used a grease pencil to "fix" a tire worn beyond limits.

11. You got a better benchstock in the pockets of your coveralls than the
squadron does

12. You've used a piece of safety wire as a tooth pick.

13. You've ever had to say "my boots are still black!"

14. Someone has tackled you right before you cuss the squadron commander
out over the radio.

15. You refer to a pilot as a "control stick actuator."

16. You've been duct-taped to a towbar and dowsed with pet and sand.

17. You've had your headset greased.

18. You've ever been told to "go get us some prop wash and a yard of
flightline from support."

19. You've worked a 14 hour shift on a jet that isn't flying the next day.

20. You've said "as long as she starts every other try you'll be fine sir."

21. You consider a traditional Thanksgiving dinner to be a turkey sandwich
in one hand and a 3/4" wrench in the other.

22. You've ever jumped an intake to get out of the cold.

23. Kitchen passes are hard to come by.

24. You've ever told your wife, "No dear, thats not beer you smell, its
JP-8!"

25. You consider a TDY a paid vacation.

26. The phrase "Oh, by the way..." makes your eye twitch.

27. You call the suspension on your car the main gear.

28. You refer to your car's dashboard as the "glareshield"

29. You give your wife an ETIC of when the trash will be taken out.

30. Leaving after eight hours makes you feel as if you've been cut back.

31. Little yellow ear plugs are all over your house.

32. You've ever talked to your jet

33. Tossed some poor bug or creature into LOX

34. You can't spell

35. You've ever passed gas in someone else's cockpit or crew station.

36. You stopped work to watch Jerry Springer

37. Only you can read your hand writting

38. You know what F.B.I.T.A. means.

39. Most of the tools in your garage are etched

40. You've ever bought a new pair of boots rather than polish your old
ones!

41. You've stolen screws from someone else's plane

42. You've washed your hands before you pee.

43. You've ever towed Jets around to match the board in MOC.

44. You've preflighted in really bad weather only to learn that OPS
cancelled hours ago!

45. You've ever been hassled in MPF about 35-10 after a 16 hour shift.

46. You believe your Jet has a soul and it's demonic in origin

47. You talk to your jet

48. Your spouse refuses to watch any aviation shows or attend airshows with
you.

49. You've ever said, "That NAV light burned out after launch!"

50. You've used a chock as a hammer

51. The only thing that you know about a city is where the good bars are.

52. You know more about your co-workers than you do your own family.

53. You've purposefully exposed yourself other than in the shower.

54. You don't know what the inside of a good dorm looks like.

55. The refrigerator in your dorm room is stocked only with beer

56. You've looked for pictures of your Jet in Aviation magazines and books.

57. You know that you're the best Crew Chief in the USAF and your jet is
the best in the fleet!

58. You hate people who know nothing about MX doing QVI's on your jet.

59. You can't figure out why maintenance officers exist

60. You've ever been ticked off because they can't make up their minds on
what the 781's should look like

61. You've wished that the pilot would just say, "Great Jet, thanks Chief!"

62. You love to be called "Chief"

63. You have ever passed gas in the expeditor truck just to clear it out.

64. You use the bathroom more often outdoors than indoors.

65. People who are Crew Chiefs and don't want to be sicken you

66. You've shut a jet down in the middle of a launch just to change a
Landing gear indication light in the back seat

67. You can't figure out why two weeks of advance per-diem is gone after
three days.

68. Most of your advance is spent in $1 increments at the "club"

69. You can sleep anywhere, anytime. But as soon as the engines shut down
you are wide awake.

70. You've asked another Crew Chief for a T.O. reference when signing off a
task.

71. You have ever said bad things about the IDIOT that said, "No more Nose
Art."

72. The SRB is not the main reason you re-enlist.

73. Most everyone thinks that all you do is wave your arms in the air.

74. You think that Crew Chiefs who can't hit the mark when parking a jet
suck

75. You know what a "Bite" is.

76. You've ever used a helmet for a pillow.

77. You've stood on wheel chocks to keep your feet dry.

78. You've eaten more MRE's than hot meals.

79. You've ever done the 100yd dash to the line shack when lightning was
called.

80. You change underwear and T-shirts more than you change BDU's.

81. You've used Dykes to trim a fingernail.

82. You've ever used RTV to fix a stripped screw

83. You've ever pulled the gun switch while riding brakes.

84. You've started a jet inside the hanger

85. You've ever wiped your hands on your pants.

86. You've made tampons out of spare towels for drain hole leaks.

87. You've knocked back a rivet stem that was hanging out a drain hole.

88. You've wiped leaks right before a crew show.

89. You've picked your nose.

90. You've ever puked more than two days in a row.

91. You've worn someone else's hat just to go to chow.

92. All you care about is the flying schedule and your days off.

93. You hate Crew Chiefs that couldn't hack the line, got admin. jobs and
were promoted.

94. You've ever pencil-wipped your 623's.

95. You hate the fact that everyone else gets rides in your jet before you
do.

96. You've ever been woke up by the returning drunks turning on the lights

97. You've ever been that drunk turning on all the lights

98. You've had to defuel your jet an hour after fueling it.

99. You've driven home and do not remember it.

100. You've ever gone straight to work from the bar.

101. Everyone you know has some sort of nickname.

102. You've ever got off work, rushed home to take a shower and went out to
the bar and called it a quick turn.

103. Used the "Pull Chocks" signal to tell your buddies it's time to leave
the bar.

104. You've washed your hands with JP-8 after using B 1/2

105. You've rushed to get one last smoke while the horn is blowing

106. You've ever bled Hydraulic fluid into a gatoraid bottle or soda can
because you are too lazy to get a hydraulic bucket and the Hazmat keys from
support

107. You know what hydraulic fluid tastes like

And now, we'll talk a little about God, more commonly known as the "Crew
Chief." And yes, we even have our own G.I. Joe figure, complete with
extraneous M-16 (why? I don't know.)

I leave you with this mega-list, entitled "You Might be a Crew Chief if..."
that I got in the email awhile back:

1. You've ever slept on the concrete under a wing.

2. You never go anywhere without your red and black pencils and your line
badge, including church.

3. You've wished your jet would drop a MK-84 on Saddam Hussein's house.

4. You've ever said "oh yes sir, it's supposed to look like that."

5. You know what a pointy head is.

6. You know what an R&I trailer is.

7. You consider 'moly-b' fingerprints on food an 'acquired taste'.

8. You've ever sucked lox to cure a hangover.

9. You know what jet fuel tastes like.

10. You've used a grease pencil to "fix" a tire worn beyond limits.

11. You got a better benchstock in the pockets of your coveralls than the
squadron does

12. You've used a piece of safety wire as a tooth pick.

13. You've ever had to say "my boots are still black!"

14. Someone has tackled you right before you cuss the squadron commander
out over the radio.

15. You refer to a pilot as a "control stick actuator."

16. You've been duct-taped to a towbar and dowsed with pet and sand.

17. You've had your headset greased.

18. You've ever been told to "go get us some prop wash and a yard of
flightline from support."

19. You've worked a 14 hour shift on a jet that isn't flying the next day.

20. You've said "as long as she starts every other try you'll be fine sir."

21. You consider a traditional Thanksgiving dinner to be a turkey sandwich
in one hand and a 3/4" wrench in the other.

22. You've ever jumped an intake to get out of the cold.

23. Kitchen passes are hard to come by.

24. You've ever told your wife, "No dear, thats not beer you smell, its
JP-8!"

25. You consider a TDY a paid vacation.

26. The phrase "Oh, by the way..." makes your eye twitch.

27. You call the suspension on your car the main gear.

28. You refer to your car's dashboard as the "glareshield"

29. You give your wife an ETIC of when the trash will be taken out.

30. Leaving after eight hours makes you feel as if you've been cut back.

31. Little yellow ear plugs are all over your house.

32. You've ever talked to your jet

33. Tossed some poor bug or creature into LOX

34. You can't spell

35. You've ever passed gas in someone else's cockpit or crew station.

36. You stopped work to watch Jerry Springer

37. Only you can read your hand writting

38. You know what F.B.I.T.A. means.

39. Most of the tools in your garage are etched

40. You've ever bought a new pair of boots rather than polish your old
ones!

41. You've stolen screws from someone else's plane

42. You've washed your hands before you pee.

43. You've ever towed Jets around to match the board in MOC.

44. You've preflighted in really bad weather only to learn that OPS
cancelled hours ago!

45. You've ever been hassled in MPF about 35-10 after a 16 hour shift.

46. You believe your Jet has a soul and it's demonic in origin

47. You talk to your jet

48. Your spouse refuses to watch any aviation shows or attend airshows with
you.

49. You've ever said, "That NAV light burned out after launch!"

50. You've used a chock as a hammer

51. The only thing that you know about a city is where the good bars are.

52. You know more about your co-workers than you do your own family.

53. You've purposefully exposed yourself other than in the shower.

54. You don't know what the inside of a good dorm looks like.

55. The refrigerator in your dorm room is stocked only with beer

56. You've looked for pictures of your Jet in Aviation magazines and books.

57. You know that you're the best Crew Chief in the USAF and your jet is
the best in the fleet!

58. You hate people who know nothing about MX doing QVI's on your jet.

59. You can't figure out why maintenance officers exist

60. You've ever been ticked off because they can't make up their minds on
what the 781's should look like

61. You've wished that the pilot would just say, "Great Jet, thanks Chief!"

62. You love to be called "Chief"

63. You have ever passed gas in the expeditor truck just to clear it out.

64. You use the bathroom more often outdoors than indoors.

65. People who are Crew Chiefs and don't want to be sicken you

66. You've shut a jet down in the middle of a launch just to change a
Landing gear indication light in the back seat

67. You can't figure out why two weeks of advance per-diem is gone after
three days.

68. Most of your advance is spent in $1 increments at the "club"

69. You can sleep anywhere, anytime. But as soon as the engines shut down
you are wide awake.

70. You've asked another Crew Chief for a T.O. reference when signing off a
task.

71. You have ever said bad things about the IDIOT that said, "No more Nose
Art."

72. The SRB is not the main reason you re-enlist.

73. Most everyone thinks that all you do is wave your arms in the air.

74. You think that Crew Chiefs who can't hit the mark when parking a jet
suck

75. You know what a "Bite" is.

76. You've ever used a helmet for a pillow.

77. You've stood on wheel chocks to keep your feet dry.

78. You've eaten more MRE's than hot meals.

79. You've ever done the 100yd dash to the line shack when lightning was
called.

80. You change underwear and T-shirts more than you change BDU's.

81. You've used Dykes to trim a fingernail.

82. You've ever used RTV to fix a stripped screw

83. You've ever pulled the gun switch while riding brakes.

84. You've started a jet inside the hanger

85. You've ever wiped your hands on your pants.

86. You've made tampons out of spare towels for drain hole leaks.

87. You've knocked back a rivet stem that was hanging out a drain hole.

88. You've wiped leaks right before a crew show.

89. You've picked your nose.

90. You've ever puked more than two days in a row.

91. You've worn someone else's hat just to go to chow.

92. All you care about is the flying schedule and your days off.

93. You hate Crew Chiefs that couldn't hack the line, got admin. jobs and
were promoted.

94. You've ever pencil-wipped your 623's.

95. You hate the fact that everyone else gets rides in your jet before you
do.

96. You've ever been woke up by the returning drunks turning on the lights

97. You've ever been that drunk turning on all the lights

98. You've had to defuel your jet an hour after fueling it.

99. You've driven home and do not remember it.

100. You've ever gone straight to work from the bar.

101. Everyone you know has some sort of nickname.

102. You've ever got off work, rushed home to take a shower and went out to
the bar and called it a quick turn.

103. Used the "Pull Chocks" signal to tell your buddies it's time to leave
the bar.

104. You've washed your hands with JP-8 after using B 1/2

105. You've rushed to get one last smoke while the horn is blowing

106. You've ever bled Hydraulic fluid into a gatoraid bottle or soda can
because you are too lazy to get a hydraulic bucket and the Hazmat keys from
support

107. You know what hydraulic fluid tastes like

-----

-Jeff B. (who never even worked on aircraft)
yeff at erols dot com

David Hartung
December 7th 03, 01:06 AM
"Yeff" > wrote in message
...
> http://www.sgtstryker.com/weblog/archives/004125.php#004125
>
> 1. You've ever slept on the concrete under a wing.
>
> 2. You never go anywhere without your red and black pencils and your line
> badge, including church.
>
> 3. You've wished your jet would drop a MK-84 on Saddam Hussein's house.
>
> 4. You've ever said "oh yes sir, it's supposed to look like that."
>
> 5. You know what a pointy head is.
>
> 6. You know what an R&I trailer is.
>
> 7. You consider 'moly-b' fingerprints on food an 'acquired taste'.
>
> 8. You've ever sucked lox to cure a hangover.
>
> 9. You know what jet fuel tastes like.
>
> 10. You've used a grease pencil to "fix" a tire worn beyond limits.
>
> 11. You got a better benchstock in the pockets of your coveralls than the
> squadron does
>
> 12. You've used a piece of safety wire as a tooth pick.
>
> 13. You've ever had to say "my boots are still black!"
>
> 14. Someone has tackled you right before you cuss the squadron commander
> out over the radio.
>
> 15. You refer to a pilot as a "control stick actuator."
>
> 16. You've been duct-taped to a towbar and dowsed with pet and sand.
>
> 17. You've had your headset greased.
>
> 18. You've ever been told to "go get us some prop wash and a yard of
> flightline from support."
>
> 19. You've worked a 14 hour shift on a jet that isn't flying the next day.
>
> 20. You've said "as long as she starts every other try you'll be fine
sir."
>
> 21. You consider a traditional Thanksgiving dinner to be a turkey sandwich
> in one hand and a 3/4" wrench in the other.
>
> 22. You've ever jumped an intake to get out of the cold.
>
> 23. Kitchen passes are hard to come by.
>
> 24. You've ever told your wife, "No dear, thats not beer you smell, its
> JP-8!"
>
> 25. You consider a TDY a paid vacation.
>
> 26. The phrase "Oh, by the way..." makes your eye twitch.
>
> 27. You call the suspension on your car the main gear.
>
> 28. You refer to your car's dashboard as the "glareshield"
>
> 29. You give your wife an ETIC of when the trash will be taken out.
>
> 30. Leaving after eight hours makes you feel as if you've been cut back.
>
> 31. Little yellow ear plugs are all over your house.
>
> 32. You've ever talked to your jet
>
> 33. Tossed some poor bug or creature into LOX
>
> 34. You can't spell
>
> 35. You've ever passed gas in someone else's cockpit or crew station.
>
> 36. You stopped work to watch Jerry Springer
>
> 37. Only you can read your hand writting
>
> 38. You know what F.B.I.T.A. means.
>
> 39. Most of the tools in your garage are etched
>
> 40. You've ever bought a new pair of boots rather than polish your old
> ones!
>
> 41. You've stolen screws from someone else's plane
>
> 42. You've washed your hands before you pee.
>
> 43. You've ever towed Jets around to match the board in MOC.
>
> 44. You've preflighted in really bad weather only to learn that OPS
> cancelled hours ago!
>
> 45. You've ever been hassled in MPF about 35-10 after a 16 hour shift.
>
> 46. You believe your Jet has a soul and it's demonic in origin
>
> 47. You talk to your jet
>
> 48. Your spouse refuses to watch any aviation shows or attend airshows
with
> you.
>
> 49. You've ever said, "That NAV light burned out after launch!"
>
> 50. You've used a chock as a hammer
>
> 51. The only thing that you know about a city is where the good bars are.
>
> 52. You know more about your co-workers than you do your own family.
>
> 53. You've purposefully exposed yourself other than in the shower.
>
> 54. You don't know what the inside of a good dorm looks like.
>
> 55. The refrigerator in your dorm room is stocked only with beer
>
> 56. You've looked for pictures of your Jet in Aviation magazines and
books.
>
> 57. You know that you're the best Crew Chief in the USAF and your jet is
> the best in the fleet!
>
> 58. You hate people who know nothing about MX doing QVI's on your jet.
>
> 59. You can't figure out why maintenance officers exist
>
> 60. You've ever been ticked off because they can't make up their minds on
> what the 781's should look like
>
> 61. You've wished that the pilot would just say, "Great Jet, thanks
Chief!"
>
> 62. You love to be called "Chief"
>
> 63. You have ever passed gas in the expeditor truck just to clear it out.
>
> 64. You use the bathroom more often outdoors than indoors.
>
> 65. People who are Crew Chiefs and don't want to be sicken you
>
> 66. You've shut a jet down in the middle of a launch just to change a
> Landing gear indication light in the back seat
>
> 67. You can't figure out why two weeks of advance per-diem is gone after
> three days.
>
> 68. Most of your advance is spent in $1 increments at the "club"
>
> 69. You can sleep anywhere, anytime. But as soon as the engines shut down
> you are wide awake.
>
> 70. You've asked another Crew Chief for a T.O. reference when signing off
a
> task.
>
> 71. You have ever said bad things about the IDIOT that said, "No more Nose
> Art."
>
> 72. The SRB is not the main reason you re-enlist.
>
> 73. Most everyone thinks that all you do is wave your arms in the air.
>
> 74. You think that Crew Chiefs who can't hit the mark when parking a jet
> suck
>
> 75. You know what a "Bite" is.
>
> 76. You've ever used a helmet for a pillow.
>
> 77. You've stood on wheel chocks to keep your feet dry.
>
> 78. You've eaten more MRE's than hot meals.
>
> 79. You've ever done the 100yd dash to the line shack when lightning was
> called.
>
> 80. You change underwear and T-shirts more than you change BDU's.
>
> 81. You've used Dykes to trim a fingernail.
>
> 82. You've ever used RTV to fix a stripped screw
>
> 83. You've ever pulled the gun switch while riding brakes.
>
> 84. You've started a jet inside the hanger
>
> 85. You've ever wiped your hands on your pants.
>
> 86. You've made tampons out of spare towels for drain hole leaks.
>
> 87. You've knocked back a rivet stem that was hanging out a drain hole.
>
> 88. You've wiped leaks right before a crew show.
>
> 89. You've picked your nose.
>
> 90. You've ever puked more than two days in a row.
>
> 91. You've worn someone else's hat just to go to chow.
>
> 92. All you care about is the flying schedule and your days off.
>
> 93. You hate Crew Chiefs that couldn't hack the line, got admin. jobs and
> were promoted.
>
> 94. You've ever pencil-wipped your 623's.
>
> 95. You hate the fact that everyone else gets rides in your jet before you
> do.
>
> 96. You've ever been woke up by the returning drunks turning on the lights
>
> 97. You've ever been that drunk turning on all the lights
>
> 98. You've had to defuel your jet an hour after fueling it.
>
> 99. You've driven home and do not remember it.
>
> 100. You've ever gone straight to work from the bar.
>
> 101. Everyone you know has some sort of nickname.
>
> 102. You've ever got off work, rushed home to take a shower and went out
to
> the bar and called it a quick turn.
>
> 103. Used the "Pull Chocks" signal to tell your buddies it's time to leave
> the bar.
>
> 104. You've washed your hands with JP-8 after using B 1/2
>
> 105. You've rushed to get one last smoke while the horn is blowing
>
> 106. You've ever bled Hydraulic fluid into a gatoraid bottle or soda can
> because you are too lazy to get a hydraulic bucket and the Hazmat keys
from
> support
>
> 107. You know what hydraulic fluid tastes like
>
> And now, we'll talk a little about God, more commonly known as the "Crew
> Chief." And yes, we even have our own G.I. Joe figure, complete with
> extraneous M-16 (why? I don't know.)
>
> I leave you with this mega-list, entitled "You Might be a Crew Chief
if..."
> that I got in the email awhile back:

> -Jeff B. (who never even worked on aircraft)
> yeff at erols dot com

Much of this applies to any maintenance troop!

Chad Irby
December 7th 03, 08:30 AM
In article >,
"David Hartung" > wrote:

> Much of this applies to any maintenance troop!

Hell, I got 28, and I was just an ECM troop...

--
cirby at cfl.rr.com

Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations.
Slam on brakes accordingly.

David Hartung
December 7th 03, 01:16 PM
"Chad Irby" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "David Hartung" > wrote:
>
> > Much of this applies to any maintenance troop!
>
> Hell, I got 28, and I was just an ECM troop...

I got about 20, and I was a weapons guy

KenG
December 7th 03, 06:13 PM
I got over 30. But I have a question. Does it count as a yes if I was a
pointy head.
KenG

David Hartung wrote:

> "Chad Irby" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>In article >,
>> "David Hartung" > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Much of this applies to any maintenance troop!
>>
>>Hell, I got 28, and I was just an ECM troop...
>
>
> I got about 20, and I was a weapons guy
>
>

Pete
December 7th 03, 09:07 PM
"David Hartung" > wrote

>
> I got about 20, and I was a weapons guy

So was I. When and where were you?


> 4. You've ever said "oh yes sir, it's supposed to look like that."

"Red 3, the aircrew needs to see you over at -509"
"rog...on the way"

{me}"yes sir? What is it?
{Major Dumbass, Sq Safety Officer}"This pylon is loose. [he grabs the front
of the TER and gives it a shake. The whole Sta 3 wiggles a teeny bit.]

I take a look, and all seems to be in order. Bolts properly safety wired, no
obvious damage or excessive loosesness
"Major...they are *all* like that."
"SARGE!! I have hundreds of hours flying these jets, and I've never seen one
this loose!"

"Major..I have almost 15 years loading and installing these things, and, I
repeat, they are *all* like that. Design tolerances, designed-in 'give', I
don't know. But they do flex a little. This is installed as per the T.O."

"Nope...not good enough. I want this tightened up!"

[sigh]...."Ok, Major. Do you have about 15 mins before you need to engine
start?
"Yep..I want this tightened up"

"OK....Willie (my 3 man), go back to the shop, and get the bigass torque
wrench and the T.O."

(we proceed to remove the safety wire from the 3 pylon bolts)

"All right, Major. We put a grease pencil mark on the bolt and the mating
surface. If, after we put the wrench on it, it has moved, I concede the
point."

(crank up the wrench to the proper setting (IIRC 275 ft lbs))

"CLICK CLICK CLICK"

"Major! Are these grease pencil marks still lined up?"

"hmm...yes"

(grumblegrumblegrumble) "Will there be anything else, Sir?"

"No, I guess not. Thanks"

[sigh]

Pete
I understand his need to make sure...but damn Trust your troops..

John Mullen
December 7th 03, 10:33 PM
Pete wrote:

> "David Hartung" > wrote
>
>
>>I got about 20, and I was a weapons guy
>
>
> So was I. When and where were you?
>
>
>
>>4. You've ever said "oh yes sir, it's supposed to look like that."
>
>
> "Red 3, the aircrew needs to see you over at -509"
> "rog...on the way"
>
> {me}"yes sir? What is it?
> {Major Dumbass, Sq Safety Officer}"This pylon is loose. [he grabs the front
> of the TER and gives it a shake. The whole Sta 3 wiggles a teeny bit.]
>
> I take a look, and all seems to be in order. Bolts properly safety wired, no
> obvious damage or excessive loosesness
> "Major...they are *all* like that."
> "SARGE!! I have hundreds of hours flying these jets, and I've never seen one
> this loose!"
>
> "Major..I have almost 15 years loading and installing these things, and, I
> repeat, they are *all* like that. Design tolerances, designed-in 'give', I
> don't know. But they do flex a little. This is installed as per the T.O."
>
> "Nope...not good enough. I want this tightened up!"
>
> [sigh]...."Ok, Major. Do you have about 15 mins before you need to engine
> start?
> "Yep..I want this tightened up"
>
> "OK....Willie (my 3 man), go back to the shop, and get the bigass torque
> wrench and the T.O."
>
> (we proceed to remove the safety wire from the 3 pylon bolts)
>
> "All right, Major. We put a grease pencil mark on the bolt and the mating
> surface. If, after we put the wrench on it, it has moved, I concede the
> point."
>
> (crank up the wrench to the proper setting (IIRC 275 ft lbs))
>
> "CLICK CLICK CLICK"
>
> "Major! Are these grease pencil marks still lined up?"
>
> "hmm...yes"
>
> (grumblegrumblegrumble) "Will there be anything else, Sir?"
>
> "No, I guess not. Thanks"
>
> [sigh]
>
> Pete
> I understand his need to make sure...but damn Trust your troops..
>
>
Reminded me of Captain Lockheed and the Starfighters, the hilarious cult
album by Robert Calvert. Anybody?

John

B2431
December 7th 03, 10:42 PM
>From: Chad Irby
>Date: 12/7/2003 2:30 AM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>In article >,
> "David Hartung" > wrote:
>
>> Much of this applies to any maintenance troop!
>
>Hell, I got 28, and I was just an ECM troop...
>
>--
>cirby at cfl.rr.com
>

I got most of them. There was this great fiasco called POMO where some
specialist were "crew chief qualified" which simply meant crew chiefs got chow
breaks while we recovered/launched their jets.

On the plus side the first time I recovered an early return not one specialist
came to help yet almost every crewchief on the line did.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

David Hartung
December 9th 03, 05:12 AM
"John Mullen" > wrote in message
...
> Pete wrote:
>
> > "David Hartung" > wrote
> >
> >
> >>I got about 20, and I was a weapons guy
> >
> >
> > So was I. When and where were you?

1976-1977 Luke
1977-1978 Guam
1978-1981 Luke
1981-1984 Sembach
1984-1985 Bitburg
1985-1986 Blythville

When and where were you?

David Hartung
December 9th 03, 05:21 AM
"B2431" > wrote in message
...
> >From: Chad Irby
> >Date: 12/7/2003 2:30 AM Central Standard Time
> >Message-id: >
> >
> >In article >,
> > "David Hartung" > wrote:
> >
> >> Much of this applies to any maintenance troop!
> >
> >Hell, I got 28, and I was just an ECM troop...
> >
> >--
> >cirby at cfl.rr.com
> >
>
> I got most of them. There was this great fiasco called POMO where some
> specialist were "crew chief qualified" which simply meant crew chiefs got
chow
> breaks while we recovered/launched their jets.

I was at Luke in 1976-77 when they were doing the POMO tests, I was on an F4
Load crew so I ws not involved, but by the time I got back from Guam, all of
TAC had gone POMO, COMO, or whatever they called it. The good news was that
in our unit(310 AMU), weapons folks seldom got asked to do more than walk
the occasional wing.

> On the plus side the first time I recovered an early return not one
specialist
> came to help yet almost every crewchief on the line did.

The only place I did launch an recovery was at Sembach in the last several
months before the OV10s left. On day my airplane was on the taxiway and the
flight Chief sent someone else out to recover it. When I got to the shack he
proceeded to chew me out aver something my guys supposedly hadn't done. As
soon as he got me good and mad, he threw a set of Tech stripes at me and
congratulated me!<G> It was the best butt chewing I eve got!

B2431
December 9th 03, 08:33 AM
>From: "David Hartung"

>
>The only place I did launch an recovery was at Sembach in the last several
>months before the OV10s left.

Remember the USAF H-60 that spent a week or so there in 1983? That was my unit
TDY to Sembach and I was there.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

David Hartung
December 9th 03, 02:45 PM
"Pete" > wrote in message
...
>
> "David Hartung" > wrote
>
> >
> > I got about 20, and I was a weapons guy
>
> So was I. When and where were you?
>
>
> > 4. You've ever said "oh yes sir, it's supposed to look like that."
>
> "Red 3, the aircrew needs to see you over at -509"
> "rog...on the way"
>
> {me}"yes sir? What is it?
> {Major Dumbass, Sq Safety Officer}"This pylon is loose. [he grabs the
front
> of the TER and gives it a shake. The whole Sta 3 wiggles a teeny bit.]
>
> I take a look, and all seems to be in order. Bolts properly safety wired,
no
> obvious damage or excessive loosesness
> "Major...they are *all* like that."
> "SARGE!! I have hundreds of hours flying these jets, and I've never seen
one
> this loose!"
>
> "Major..I have almost 15 years loading and installing these things, and, I
> repeat, they are *all* like that. Design tolerances, designed-in 'give', I
> don't know. But they do flex a little. This is installed as per the T.O."
>
> "Nope...not good enough. I want this tightened up!"
>
> [sigh]...."Ok, Major. Do you have about 15 mins before you need to engine
> start?
> "Yep..I want this tightened up"
>
> "OK....Willie (my 3 man), go back to the shop, and get the bigass torque
> wrench and the T.O."
>
> (we proceed to remove the safety wire from the 3 pylon bolts)
>
> "All right, Major. We put a grease pencil mark on the bolt and the mating
> surface. If, after we put the wrench on it, it has moved, I concede the
> point."
>
> (crank up the wrench to the proper setting (IIRC 275 ft lbs))
>
> "CLICK CLICK CLICK"
>
> "Major! Are these grease pencil marks still lined up?"
>
> "hmm...yes"
>
> (grumblegrumblegrumble) "Will there be anything else, Sir?"
>
> "No, I guess not. Thanks"
>
> [sigh]
>
> Pete
> I understand his need to make sure...but damn Trust your troops..


Been there done that!

Ever get a work order to bore site a SUU20? Note I said SUU20, not SUU23.

David Hartung
December 9th 03, 02:47 PM
"B2431" > wrote in message
...
>
> >From: "David Hartung"
>
> >
> >The only place I did launch an recovery was at Sembach in the last
several
> >months before the OV10s left.
>
> Remember the USAF H-60 that spent a week or so there in 1983? That was my
unit
> TDY to Sembach and I was there.

Yeah, I remember, if I recall they brought that thing in on a C5. I was in
Job Control at the time.

Pete
December 9th 03, 05:07 PM
"David Hartung" > wrote
>
> 1976-1977 Luke
> 1977-1978 Guam
> 1978-1981 Luke
> 1981-1984 Sembach
> 1984-1985 Bitburg
> 1985-1986 Blythville
>
> When and where were you?

Close:
'76-'78 Upper Heyford
'78-'80 Griffiss
'81-'82 Hill
'82-'85 Torrejon
'85-'87 Barksdale
'87-'91 Ramstein
'91-'93 Soesterberg
[jumped ship and x-trained into computer programming]
'93-'97 Langley

Pete

Pete
December 9th 03, 05:12 PM
"David Hartung" > wrote
>
> Been there done that!
>
> Ever get a work order to bore site a SUU20? Note I said SUU20, not SUU23.

HAHAHA

Pete

David Hartung
December 9th 03, 07:16 PM
"Pete" > wrote in message
...
>
> "David Hartung" > wrote
> >
> > 1976-1977 Luke
> > 1977-1978 Guam
> > 1978-1981 Luke
> > 1981-1984 Sembach
> > 1984-1985 Bitburg
> > 1985-1986 Blythville
> >
> > When and where were you?
>
> Close:
> '76-'78 Upper Heyford
> '78-'80 Griffiss
> '81-'82 Hill
> '82-'85 Torrejon

I RONd at TJ in 1985, We were on our way back from a TDY to Decimomonu(sp)
unfortuntely I spent the evening washing clothes rather than seeing Spain.

One of the Msgts from Sembach went to Torrejon, but I forget his name.

> '85-'87 Barksdale

A guy who was my shift supervisor at Luke in early 81 went to Barksdale, the
last I saw him he was either the LSC team chief, or he was the NCOIC of the
LSC. He and his crew came to Blytheville in late 85 or early 86 for some
ALCM training. His "3" man was (I think)Bill Peterson, a guy I knew on Guam.

Hmmlooking at the above, it really is a small world.

David Hartung
December 9th 03, 07:19 PM
"Pete" > wrote in message
...
>
> "David Hartung" > wrote
> >
> > Been there done that!
> >
> > Ever get a work order to bore site a SUU20? Note I said SUU20, not
SUU23.
>
> HAHAHA

Luke was the F4 training location and one of our student pilots came back
from a rocket sortie and wrote up the bore site on his SUU20s.<g> I won't
repeat what my boss said<g>

Chad Irby
December 9th 03, 08:37 PM
In article >,
"David Hartung" > wrote:

> Luke was the F4 training location and one of our student pilots came back
> from a rocket sortie and wrote up the bore site on his SUU20s.<g> I won't
> repeat what my boss said<g>

Ah, yes, new pilots trying to write things down.

Not always a good idea.

"Flares would not dispense with flaps down."
"Changed stick/seat linkage."

"Chaff and flares did not dispense."
"Chaff and flares all fired. Dispensed somewhere."

--
cirby at cfl.rr.com

Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations.
Slam on brakes accordingly.

David Hartung
December 9th 03, 10:28 PM
"Chad Irby" > wrote in message
m...
> In article >,
> "David Hartung" > wrote:
>
> > Luke was the F4 training location and one of our student pilots came
back
> > from a rocket sortie and wrote up the bore site on his SUU20s.<g> I
won't
> > repeat what my boss said<g>
>
> Ah, yes, new pilots trying to write things down.
>
> Not always a good idea.
>
> "Flares would not dispense with flaps down."
> "Changed stick/seat linkage."
>
> "Chaff and flares did not dispense."
> "Chaff and flares all fired. Dispensed somewhere."
>
> --
> cirby at cfl.rr.com
>
> Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations.
> Slam on brakes accordingly.

David Hartung
December 9th 03, 10:32 PM
"Chad Irby" > wrote in message
m...
> In article >,
> "David Hartung" > wrote:
>
> > Luke was the F4 training location and one of our student pilots came
back
> > from a rocket sortie and wrote up the bore site on his SUU20s.<g> I
won't
> > repeat what my boss said<g>
>
> Ah, yes, new pilots trying to write things down.
>
> Not always a good idea.
>
> "Flares would not dispense with flaps down."
> "Changed stick/seat linkage."
>
> "Chaff and flares did not dispense."
> "Chaff and flares all fired. Dispensed somewhere."

One of the biggest mistakes in the world is to let a pilot see any T.O.
other than the -1!

Chad Irby
December 9th 03, 11:08 PM
"David Hartung" > wrote:

> One of the biggest mistakes in the world is to let a pilot see any T.O.
> other than the -1!

Oh, you can let them see it, just don't let them open it.

--
cirby at cfl.rr.com

Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations.
Slam on brakes accordingly.

Pete
December 9th 03, 11:27 PM
"David Hartung" > wrote

>
> > '85-'87 Barksdale
>
> A guy who was my shift supervisor at Luke in early 81 went to Barksdale,
the
> last I saw him he was either the LSC team chief, or he was the NCOIC of
the
> LSC.

Really big guy? Nickname Tiny? (aren't they all)

> He and his crew came to Blytheville in late 85 or early 86 for some
> ALCM training. His "3" man was (I think)Bill Peterson, a guy I knew on
Guam.
>
> Hmmlooking at the above, it really is a small world.

Yes. Every base I was at, I ran into someone I knew somewhere before.

Oete

Pete
December 9th 03, 11:28 PM
"David Hartung" > wrote


>
> One of the biggest mistakes in the world is to let a pilot see any T.O.
> other than the -1!

Exactly.
"RHAW does not work in the O.F.F. position"
"R&R stick actuator"

Pete

B2431
December 9th 03, 11:33 PM
>From: "David Hartung"
>
>"B2431" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> >From: "David Hartung"
>>
>> >
>> >The only place I did launch an recovery was at Sembach in the last
>several
>> >months before the OV10s left.
>>
>> Remember the USAF H-60 that spent a week or so there in 1983? That was my
>unit
>> TDY to Sembach and I was there.
>
>Yeah, I remember, if I recall they brought that thing in on a C5. I was in
>Job Control at the time.
>
There were two H-60s and we transported them in a C-141.

At the time we were the only USAF with H-60s.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired


>

Yeff
December 9th 03, 11:48 PM
On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 23:27:53 GMT, Pete wrote:

> Yes. Every base I was at, I ran into someone I knew somewhere before.

My second time in Saudi we transferred our operations from a trailer right
on the flightline of Riyadh AB to the Southwest Asia/Joint Intelligence
Center (SWA/JIC) out near the RSAF headquarters at USMTM.

My supervisor (deployed all the way from Alaska) was amazed at how many
people I kept running into from my assignment at Clark AB in the
Philippines. It became a running joke with us.

I remember one day when the Navy had an EP-3 static display set up for
anyone with a green badge (SCI security clearance) and Ed (my supervisor)
and I went over to take a look. The guy briefing the aircraft was a
Lieutenant/O-3 who really knew his ****. He gave the impression that he
could've sat any position on the aircraft and done the job.

As he's giving us the briefing he kept giving me a funny look. He finally
interrupted himself and goes, "Say, don't I know you from the PI? Didn't
you used to work mid-shift CQ sometimes for the Double Deuce (Double Deuce
being the 6922nd Electronic Security Squadron)?

The look on Ed's face was priceless as I realized I recognized the
Lieutenant as a former Watch Officer from the Navy side of the house, yet
another person I used to know from the Philippines.

A different service, a different country, in the back-end of an EP-3
reconnaissance aircraft. Yes, it's a small world.

-Jeff B.
yeff at erols dot com

Chad Irby
December 10th 03, 01:44 AM
"Pete" > wrote:

> Yes. Every base I was at, I ran into someone I knew somewhere before.

Oh, that wasn't a coincidence.

We were having you followed.

--
cirby at cfl.rr.com

Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations.
Slam on brakes accordingly.

Pete
December 10th 03, 06:19 AM
"Chad Irby" > wrote in message
m...
> "Pete" > wrote:
>
> > Yes. Every base I was at, I ran into someone I knew somewhere before.
>
> Oh, that wasn't a coincidence.
>
> We were having you followed.

I figured as much. Sometimes, it was just too much of a coincidence.

Pete

Chad Irby
December 10th 03, 08:24 AM
In article >,
"Pete" > wrote:

> "Chad Irby" > wrote in message
> m...
> > "Pete" > wrote:
> >
> > > Yes. Every base I was at, I ran into someone I knew somewhere before.
> >
> > Oh, that wasn't a coincidence.
> >
> > We were having you followed.
>
> I figured as much. Sometimes, it was just too much of a coincidence.

....but what if that's what we *wanted* you to think?

--
cirby at cfl.rr.com

Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations.
Slam on brakes accordingly.

B2431
December 10th 03, 09:55 AM
>From: Chad Irby
>Date: 12/10/2003 2:24 AM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>In article >,
> "Pete" > wrote:
>
>> "Chad Irby" > wrote in message
>> m...
>> > "Pete" > wrote:
>> >
>> > > Yes. Every base I was at, I ran into someone I knew somewhere before.
>> >
>> > Oh, that wasn't a coincidence.
>> >
>> > We were having you followed.
>>
>> I figured as much. Sometimes, it was just too much of a coincidence.
>
>...but what if that's what we *wanted* you to think?
>
>--
>cirby at cfl.rr.com
>
Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you.


Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Alan Minyard
December 10th 03, 02:15 PM
On 09 Dec 2003 23:33:57 GMT, (B2431) wrote:

>>From: "David Hartung"
>>
>>"B2431" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>> >From: "David Hartung"
>>>
>>> >
>>> >The only place I did launch an recovery was at Sembach in the last
>>several
>>> >months before the OV10s left.
>>>
>>> Remember the USAF H-60 that spent a week or so there in 1983? That was my
>>unit
>>> TDY to Sembach and I was there.
>>
>>Yeah, I remember, if I recall they brought that thing in on a C5. I was in
>>Job Control at the time.
>>
>There were two H-60s and we transported them in a C-141.
>
>At the time we were the only USAF with H-60s.

There is more than one USAF??? :-)))
>
>Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired
>
Al Minyard

B2431
December 10th 03, 06:48 PM
>From: Alan Minyard

>
>On 09 Dec 2003 23:33:57 GMT, (B2431) wrote:
>
>>>From: "David Hartung"
>>>
>>>"B2431" > wrote in message
...
>>>>
>>>> >From: "David Hartung"
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> >The only place I did launch an recovery was at Sembach in the last
>>>several
>>>> >months before the OV10s left.
>>>>
>>>> Remember the USAF H-60 that spent a week or so there in 1983? That was my
>>>unit
>>>> TDY to Sembach and I was there.
>>>
>>>Yeah, I remember, if I recall they brought that thing in on a C5. I was in
>>>Job Control at the time.
>>>
>>There were two H-60s and we transported them in a C-141.
>>
>>At the time we were the only USAF with H-60s.
>
>There is more than one USAF??? :-)))
>>
>>Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired
>>
>Al Minyard
>
That did it, I'm going to fire my typist. I meant to say "only USAF unit with
H-60s."

But you knew that, didn't you?

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

Alan Minyard
December 10th 03, 08:25 PM
On 10 Dec 2003 18:48:27 GMT, (B2431) wrote:

>>From: Alan Minyard
>
>>
>>On 09 Dec 2003 23:33:57 GMT, (B2431) wrote:
>>
>>>>From: "David Hartung"
>>>>
>>>>"B2431" > wrote in message
...
>>>>>
>>>>> >From: "David Hartung"
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>> >The only place I did launch an recovery was at Sembach in the last
>>>>several
>>>>> >months before the OV10s left.
>>>>>
>>>>> Remember the USAF H-60 that spent a week or so there in 1983? That was my
>>>>unit
>>>>> TDY to Sembach and I was there.
>>>>
>>>>Yeah, I remember, if I recall they brought that thing in on a C5. I was in
>>>>Job Control at the time.
>>>>
>>>There were two H-60s and we transported them in a C-141.
>>>
>>>At the time we were the only USAF with H-60s.
>>
>>There is more than one USAF??? :-)))
>>>
>>>Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired
>>>
>>Al Minyard
>>
>That did it, I'm going to fire my typist. I meant to say "only USAF unit with
>H-60s."
>
>But you knew that, didn't you?
>
>Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

Sure, I just could not resist :-)))))))))))

Al Minyard

David Hartung
December 11th 03, 04:52 AM
"B2431" > wrote in message
...
> >From: "David Hartung"
> >
> >"B2431" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>
> >> >From: "David Hartung"
> >>
> >> >
> >> >The only place I did launch an recovery was at Sembach in the last
> >several
> >> >months before the OV10s left.
> >>
> >> Remember the USAF H-60 that spent a week or so there in 1983? That was
my
> >unit
> >> TDY to Sembach and I was there.
> >
> >Yeah, I remember, if I recall they brought that thing in on a C5. I was
in
> >Job Control at the time.
> >
> There were two H-60s and we transported them in a C-141.

Okay, so my meory is faulty, isn't the first time!<g>

> At the time we were the only USAF with H-60s.

Where did you come in from?

David Hartung
December 11th 03, 04:57 AM
"Pete" > wrote in message
...
>
> "David Hartung" > wrote
>
> >
> > > '85-'87 Barksdale
> >
> > A guy who was my shift supervisor at Luke in early 81 went to Barksdale,
> the
> > last I saw him he was either the LSC team chief, or he was the NCOIC of
> the
> > LSC.
>
> Really big guy? Nickname Tiny? (aren't they all)

Could be, I don't remember him being that big.

> > He and his crew came to Blytheville in late 85 or early 86 for some
> > ALCM training. His "3" man was (I think)Bill Peterson, a guy I knew on
> Guam.
> >
> > Hmmlooking at the above, it really is a small world.
>
> Yes. Every base I was at, I ran into someone I knew somewhere before.

Yep.

David Hartung
December 11th 03, 05:00 AM
"Chad Irby" > wrote in message
...
> "David Hartung" > wrote:
>
> > One of the biggest mistakes in the world is to let a pilot see any T.O.
> > other than the -1!
>
> Oh, you can let them see it, just don't let them open it.

Come to think of it, sometimes it is a mistake to let the pilot see
the -1!<g>

B2431
December 11th 03, 06:09 AM
>From: "David Hartung"
>Date: 12/10/2003 10:52 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>
>"B2431" > wrote in message
...
>> >From: "David Hartung"
>> >
>> >"B2431" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >>
>> >> >From: "David Hartung"
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >The only place I did launch an recovery was at Sembach in the last
>> >several
>> >> >months before the OV10s left.
>> >>
>> >> Remember the USAF H-60 that spent a week or so there in 1983? That was
>my
>> >unit
>> >> TDY to Sembach and I was there.
>> >
>> >Yeah, I remember, if I recall they brought that thing in on a C5. I was
>in
>> >Job Control at the time.
>> >
>> There were two H-60s and we transported them in a C-141.
>
>Okay, so my meory is faulty, isn't the first time!<g>
>
>> At the time we were the only USAF with H-60s.
>
>Where did you come in from?
>
I forget whether we had changed from 55 ARRS to 55 SOS by that time. In any
event we were based at Eglin AFB.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

Jim McCartan
December 11th 03, 04:07 PM
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