Cobalt

[Dan Welch]

Hello,
from reading in the threads relating to nuclear war in the '80s, they
mention "cobalt weapons". Can anyone explain what these are? I very vaguely
remember a mention to them a book once but have no real idea.
cheers
dan

[Keith Willshaw]

"Dan Welch" > wrote in message
...
> Hello,
> from reading in the threads relating to nuclear war in the '80s, they
> mention "cobalt weapons". Can anyone explain what these are? I very
vaguely
> remember a mention to them a book once but have no real idea.
> cheers
> dan
>
>

The theory is that if you put a cobalt sheath around a nuclear
weapon you get lots of rather nasy cobalt 60 in the
fallout zone. The doomsday merchants would have you believe this
could wipe out all life on earth. The reality is nasty to be sure
but not quite that bad.

Keith

[Dan Welch]

thanks Keith. I take it Co-60 is particularly nasty. I didn't know if the
whole idea of Cobalt bombs was enhanced blast, radiation, etc.
Were Co-60 weapons developed / deployed?

Cheers
dan

"Keith Willshaw" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Dan Welch" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Hello,
> > from reading in the threads relating to nuclear war in the '80s, they
> > mention "cobalt weapons". Can anyone explain what these are? I very
> vaguely
> > remember a mention to them a book once but have no real idea.
> > cheers
> > dan
> >
> >
>
> The theory is that if you put a cobalt sheath around a nuclear
> weapon you get lots of rather nasy cobalt 60 in the
> fallout zone. The doomsday merchants would have you believe this
> could wipe out all life on earth. The reality is nasty to be sure
> but not quite that bad.
>
> Keith
>
>

[Jim Yanik]

"Dan Welch" > wrote in news:3fd7c4ad$1_2@mk-nntp-
1.news.uk.worldonline.com:

> thanks Keith. I take it Co-60 is particularly nasty. I didn't know if the
> whole idea of Cobalt bombs was enhanced blast, radiation, etc.
> Were Co-60 weapons developed / deployed?
>
> Cheers
> dan
>
> "Keith Willshaw" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Dan Welch" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > Hello,
>> > from reading in the threads relating to nuclear war in the '80s, they
>> > mention "cobalt weapons". Can anyone explain what these are? I very
>> vaguely
>> > remember a mention to them a book once but have no real idea.
>> > cheers
>> > dan
>> >
>> >
>>
>> The theory is that if you put a cobalt sheath around a nuclear
>> weapon you get lots of rather nasy cobalt 60 in the
>> fallout zone. The doomsday merchants would have you believe this
>> could wipe out all life on earth. The reality is nasty to be sure
>> but not quite that bad.
>>
>> Keith
>>
>>
>
>
>

Cobalt bombs were to be extremely DIRTY enhanced-fallout bombs,Cobalt-60
being a hi-level radioactivity isotope. I don't know what the half-life is
for it,though. Reasonably long,I suppose.

It's used for food irradiation sources in the US.

--
Jim Yanik,NRA member
jyanik-at-kua.net

[Brett]

"Jim Yanik" > wrote:
| "Dan Welch" > wrote in
news:3fd7c4ad$1_2@mk-nntp-
| 1.news.uk.worldonline.com:
|
| > thanks Keith. I take it Co-60 is particularly nasty. I didn't know
if the
| > whole idea of Cobalt bombs was enhanced blast, radiation, etc.
| > Were Co-60 weapons developed / deployed?
| >
| > Cheers
| > dan
| >
| > "Keith Willshaw" > wrote in message
| > ...
| >>
| >> "Dan Welch" > wrote in message
| >> ...
| >> > Hello,
| >> > from reading in the threads relating to nuclear war in the '80s,
they
| >> > mention "cobalt weapons". Can anyone explain what these are? I
very
| >> vaguely
| >> > remember a mention to them a book once but have no real idea.
| >> > cheers
| >> > dan
| >> >
| >> >
| >>
| >> The theory is that if you put a cobalt sheath around a nuclear
| >> weapon you get lots of rather nasy cobalt 60 in the
| >> fallout zone. The doomsday merchants would have you believe this
| >> could wipe out all life on earth. The reality is nasty to be sure
| >> but not quite that bad.
| >>
| >> Keith
| >>
| >>
| >
| >
| >
|
| Cobalt bombs were to be extremely DIRTY enhanced-fallout
bombs,Cobalt-60
| being a hi-level radioactivity isotope. I don't know what the
half-life is
| for it,though. Reasonably long,I suppose.
|
| It's used for food irradiation sources in the US.

And the original "cobalt bomb" was a cancer radiotherapy device.

http://www.usask.ca/research/news/994316710.shtml

[Chad Irby]

In article >,
Jim Yanik > wrote:

> Cobalt bombs were to be extremely DIRTY enhanced-fallout bombs,Cobalt-60
> being a hi-level radioactivity isotope. I don't know what the half-life is
> for it,though. Reasonably long,I suppose.

A little over five years, which makes for a very nasty fallout pattern.

The thing is, you would have needed a *lot* of cobalt bombs to kill (or
even seriously harm) all life on Earth. Outside of prompt fallout
patterns, you wouldn't see a lot of cobalt-60 contamination (the jacket
of cobalt would have been pretty inefficient at making the -60 isotope).

Basically, every Soviet warhead would have had to have been coated with
a hundred pounds or so of cobalt, and that was never going to happen.

You couldn't get a single bomb to vaporize enough cobalt, either, even
in the 100 megaton range.

Due to the way weather patterns work, the southern hemisphere would have
been mostly spared, too - you don't get a lot of mixing between north
and south.

--
cirby at cfl.rr.com

Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations.
Slam on brakes accordingly.

[miso]

You will find the first part of this interview with John Burns (NY
Times) relevant to cobalt-60:
http://freshair.npr.org/day_fa.jhtml?display=day&todayDate=11/25/2003


"Dan Welch" > wrote in message >...
> Hello,
> from reading in the threads relating to nuclear war in the '80s, they
> mention "cobalt weapons". Can anyone explain what these are? I very vaguely
> remember a mention to them a book once but have no real idea.
> cheers
> dan

[Steve Hix]

In article >,
"Dan Welch" > wrote:

> thanks Keith. I take it Co-60 is particularly nasty. I didn't know if the
> whole idea of Cobalt bombs was enhanced blast, radiation, etc.

Enhanced fallout, mainly.

Co60 is a gamma and beta emitter, with a half-life of about 5 years;
pretty hot, and if ingested will dump most of its load during the
ingestees normal life, assuming a sublethal dose.

It's used for some medical applications.

[George Ruch]

Jim Yanik > wrote:

>"Dan Welch" > wrote in news:3fd7c4ad$1_2@mk-nntp-
>1.news.uk.worldonline.com:

>>> The theory is that if you put a cobalt sheath around a nuclear
>>> weapon you get lots of rather nasy cobalt 60 in the
>>> fallout zone. The doomsday merchants would have you believe this
>>> could wipe out all life on earth. The reality is nasty to be sure
>>> but not quite that bad.
>>>
>>> Keith
>
>Cobalt bombs were to be extremely DIRTY enhanced-fallout bombs,Cobalt-60
>being a hi-level radioactivity isotope. I don't know what the half-life is
>for it,though. Reasonably long,I suppose.

According to
http://www.epa.gov/superfund/resources/radiation/pdf/cobalt.pdf, 5.2 years.

See also http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/Mar2003/1047391111.Ph.r.html
for the potential effects of Goldfinger's fictional, but quite nasty,
cobalt/iodine weapon on the contents of Fort Knox, KY.

/------------------------------------------------------------\
| George Ruch |
| "Is there life in Clovis after Clovis Man?" |
\------------------------------------------------------------/

>It's used for food irradiation sources in the US.

[robert arndt]

"Keith Willshaw" > wrote in message >...
> "Dan Welch" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Hello,
> > from reading in the threads relating to nuclear war in the '80s, they
> > mention "cobalt weapons". Can anyone explain what these are? I very
> vaguely
> > remember a mention to them a book once but have no real idea.
> > cheers
> > dan


http://thomasmc.com/0828a.htm

Here's some info you might find useful, Keith Willshaw notwithstanding...

Rob

[Keith Willshaw]

"Jim Yanik" > wrote in message
.. .
> "Dan Welch" > wrote in news:3fd7c4ad$1_2@mk-nntp-
> 1.news.uk.worldonline.com:
>

>
> Cobalt bombs were to be extremely DIRTY enhanced-fallout bombs,Cobalt-60
> being a hi-level radioactivity isotope. I don't know what the half-life is
> for it,though. Reasonably long,I suppose.
>

About 5 years IRC

Keith

[Keith Willshaw]

"robert arndt" > wrote in message
om...

>
> http://thomasmc.com/0828a.htm
>
> Here's some info you might find useful, Keith Willshaw notwithstanding...
>
> Rob

When assessing these matters most of us prefer physics textbooks to web
pages prepared by UFO Research Organizations Mr Arndt.

Keith

[B2431]

>From: "Keith Willshaw"
>
>"robert arndt" > wrote in message
>>
>> http://thomasmc.com/0828a.htm
>>
>> Here's some info you might find useful, Keith Willshaw notwithstanding...
>>
>> Rob
>
>When assessing these matters most of us prefer physics textbooks to web
>pages prepared by UFO Research Organizations Mr Arndt.
>
>Keith
>
Consider the source. He thinks all things were invented by the Nazis or given
to us by UFOs.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

[robert arndt]

"Keith Willshaw" > wrote in message >...
> "robert arndt" > wrote in message
> om...
>
> >
> > http://thomasmc.com/0828a.htm
> >
> > Here's some info you might find useful, Keith Willshaw notwithstanding...
> >
> > Rob
>
> When assessing these matters most of us prefer physics textbooks to web
> pages prepared by UFO Research Organizations Mr Arndt.
>
> Keith


Are YOU a physicist now Keith? No, you aren't... just some guy who
likes to act like one.
And BTW, I don't think it takes a genius to figure out that many of
the UFO sightings over the last century WERE in fact military
projects, whether they be sightings of the U-2, SR-71, F-117, or black
budget configurations of discoid, lenticular, triangular, or
cylindrical craft.
When one considers these craft the obvious question arises to WHERE
they originated from. I tend to stick to the terrestrial origin of
these UFOs- which is simply an Unidentified Flying Object (aka
Unidentified Foreign Object, Unidentified FO(e)).
Please refrain from including me in groups that I do not belong. My
previous posts have dealt with German and Allied disc designs ranging
from before WW2 thru the postwar years. There is an abundance of
evidence of disc programs from this time period and the amazing part
about it is that the modern UFO phenomenon started IMMEDIATELY after
1945 (if you don't count the Foo fighters, which were German devices).
It is a FACT that the Hortens were in the US in 1946 and working on
both flying wing AND disc designs. It is also a FACT that German
engineers were here working on disc craft and that the US feared a
Soviet counterweapon of this type. My sources? The Freedom of
Information Act and documents declassified by the DoD and USAF.
I only included the occult Vril and Thule/SS disc programs because
they are part of the bigger picture of German wartime research and
their chronolgical development of discs HAS to be included in any
exploration of the German disc material. As stated earlier one CANNOT
seperate the occult from the Third Reich.
I did NOT, however, claim that I believed that the Thule or Vril
Gesellschafts did succeed in building a working "other world flight
machine" (JFM) or RZF disc, or any of the Vril and Haunebu designs
that have surfaced online. I simply included their history along with
those of Arthur Sack, BMW-Prague, Viktor Schauberger, Henri Coanda,
Andreas Epps, Alexander Lippisch, the Horten brothers, and Heinrich
Focke. All of them had disc designs during the war. And most of these
designs are confiremed:

-Arthur Sack A.S.6: Circular disc, prop, one built, private
venture, failed to fly
-BMW Flugelrad series: Jet autogyros, BMW 003 powerplant, several
flight prototypes, both tethered and flown, denied for 40 years,
admitted by USAF in 1995/6.
-Scauberger Repulsin: Discoid motors, photographic evidence,
Schauberger in US postwar, reproductions achieved laboratory flight
-Henri Coanda Lenticular Disc: Scale model, tested in windtunnel,
never built as impractical
- Andreas Epps Omega Diskus: models built, windtunnel tested, never
built as impractical
-Alexander Lippisch aerodynes: built postwar by Collins in '50s and
Dornier in 1974
- Horten discs: remain classified, tested at Wright Field, may
have led to US programs
- Heinrich Focke Fw VTOL: Patented VTOL circular aircraft,
models built postwar, investigated by USAF, possible connection to
Avrocar development
- Vril and Thule designs: Remain classified along with most of SS
Unit E-4
hardware
- Schriever Disc: Remains classified along with most of SS Unit E-4
hardware
Scientists Miethe, Habermohl, and Belluzzo went to work in US,
UK-Canada, and Russia postwar working on disc designs
- "Foo Fighter" (aka WNF Feuerball): Documented by 415th NFS and 8th
and 9th AF. Objects appeared from GROUND over German-held territory
but stopped when Germany surrendered. Reappeared in July-Aug 1945 over
Japan (U-boat technolgy transfer).
USAF has no explanation... but basic configuration matches Italian
Belluzzo's wartime Italian jet project Turboprietta(sp?)- a jet
powered round bomb.

So, I don't see any problem with suspecting that Germany DID indeed
build at least a few of these machines and that the US developed that
technology into what is in the air now under the cloak of black-budget
secrecy. Sorry, but the CIA, DoD, USAF, NRO, NSA are uncooperative
regarding this matter. The stuff we now know about was congressionally
MANDATED to be declassified.
In the late '40s thru '60s there was NO reason for the USAF to attempt
to build disc aircraft. Yet we know for a FACT that they tried.
What the Germans developed must have really had an impact on them for
them to go to all that effort and funding on something that you claim
doesn't work.
But as I stated numerous times before Keith you are NOT a scientist,
physicist, intelligence operative, or expert of any kind realting to
aviation.
Yet you try to speak as one.
I could care less about what you believe because having waited all
these years I am the one who is being vindicated everytime this
material becomes declassified. You eventually will be proven
completely wrong and it gives me great pleasure knowing this. I want
to see the expression on your face when the Wright Field/Patterson
German disc flight footage becomes declassified or when a current
black budget non-jet powered field-effect craft is revealed.

Rob

[robert arndt]

"Keith Willshaw" > wrote in message >...
> "robert arndt" > wrote in message
> om...
>
> >
> > http://thomasmc.com/0828a.htm
> >
> > Here's some info you might find useful, Keith Willshaw notwithstanding...
> >
> > Rob
>
> When assessing these matters most of us prefer physics textbooks to web
> pages prepared by UFO Research Organizations Mr Arndt.
>
> Keith


Are YOU a physicist now Keith? No, you aren't... just some guy who
likes to act like one.
And BTW, I don't think it takes a genius to figure out that many of
the UFO sightings over the last century WERE in fact military
projects, whether they be sightings of the U-2, SR-71, F-117, or black
budget configurations of discoid, lenticular, triangular, or
cylindrical craft.
When one considers these craft the obvious question arises to WHERE
they originated from. I tend to stick to the terrestrial origin of
these UFOs- which is simply an Unidentified Flying Object (aka
Unidentified Foreign Object, Unidentified FO(e)).
Please refrain from including me in groups that I do not belong. My
previous posts have dealt with German and Allied disc designs ranging
from before WW2 thru the postwar years. There is an abundance of
evidence of disc programs from this time period and the amazing part
about it is that the modern UFO phenomenon started IMMEDIATELY after
1945 (if you don't count the Foo fighters, which were German devices).
It is a FACT that the Hortens were in the US in 1946 and working on
both flying wing AND disc designs. It is also a FACT that German
engineers were here working on disc craft and that the US feared a
Soviet counterweapon of this type. My sources? The Freedom of
Information Act and documents declassified by the DoD and USAF.
I only included the occult Vril and Thule/SS disc programs because
they are part of the bigger picture of German wartime research and
their chronolgical development of discs HAS to be included in any
exploration of the German disc material. As stated earlier one CANNOT
seperate the occult from the Third Reich.
I did NOT, however, claim that I believed that the Thule or Vril
Gesellschafts did succeed in building a working "other world flight
machine" (JFM) or RZF disc, or any of the Vril and Haunebu designs
that have surfaced online. I simply included their history along with
those of Arthur Sack, BMW-Prague, Viktor Schauberger, Henri Coanda,
Andreas Epps, Alexander Lippisch, the Horten brothers, and Heinrich
Focke. All of them had disc designs during the war. And most of these
designs are confiremed:

-Arthur Sack A.S.6: Circular disc, prop, one built, private
venture, failed to fly
-BMW Flugelrad series: Jet autogyros, BMW 003 powerplant, several
flight prototypes, both tethered and flown, denied for 40 years,
admitted by USAF in 1995/6.
-Scauberger Repulsin: Discoid motors, photographic evidence,
Schauberger in US postwar, reproductions achieved laboratory flight
-Henri Coanda Lenticular Disc: Scale model, tested in windtunnel,
never built as impractical
- Andreas Epps Omega Diskus: models built, windtunnel tested, never
built as impractical
-Alexander Lippisch aerodynes: built postwar by Collins in '50s and
Dornier in 1974
- Horten discs: remain classified, tested at Wright Field, may
have led to US programs
- Heinrich Focke Fw VTOL: Patented VTOL circular aircraft,
models built postwar, investigated by USAF, possible connection to
Avrocar development
- Vril and Thule designs: Remain classified along with most of SS
Unit E-4
hardware
- Schriever Disc: Remains classified along with most of SS Unit E-4
hardware
Scientists Miethe, Habermohl, and Belluzzo went to work in US,
UK-Canada, and Russia postwar working on disc designs
- "Foo Fighter" (aka WNF Feuerball): Documented by 415th NFS and 8th
and 9th AF. Objects appeared from GROUND over German-held territory
but stopped when Germany surrendered. Reappeared in July-Aug 1945 over
Japan (U-boat technolgy transfer).
USAF has no explanation... but basic configuration matches Italian
Belluzzo's wartime Italian jet project Turboprietta(sp?)- a jet
powered round bomb.

So, I don't see any problem with suspecting that Germany DID indeed
build at least a few of these machines and that the US developed that
technology into what is in the air now under the cloak of black-budget
secrecy. Sorry, but the CIA, DoD, USAF, NRO, NSA are uncooperative
regarding this matter. The stuff we now know about was congressionally
MANDATED to be declassified.
In the late '40s thru '60s there was NO reason for the USAF to attempt
to build disc aircraft. Yet we know for a FACT that they tried.
What the Germans developed must have really had an impact on them for
them to go to all that effort and funding on something that you claim
doesn't work.
But as I stated numerous times before Keith you are NOT a scientist,
physicist, intelligence operative, or expert of any kind realting to
aviation.
Yet you try to speak as one.
I could care less about what you believe because having waited all
these years I am the one who is being vindicated everytime this
material becomes declassified. You eventually will be proven
completely wrong and it gives me great pleasure knowing this. I want
to see the expression on your face when the Wright Field/Patterson
German disc flight footage becomes declassified or when a current
black budget non-jet powered field-effect craft is revealed.

Rob

[robert arndt]

"Keith Willshaw" > wrote in message >...
> "robert arndt" > wrote in message
> om...
>
> >
> > http://thomasmc.com/0828a.htm
> >
> > Here's some info you might find useful, Keith Willshaw notwithstanding...
> >
> > Rob
>
> When assessing these matters most of us prefer physics textbooks to web
> pages prepared by UFO Research Organizations Mr Arndt.
>
> Keith


Are YOU a physicist now Keith? No, you aren't... just some guy who
likes to act like one.
And BTW, I don't think it takes a genius to figure out that many of
the UFO sightings over the last century WERE in fact military
projects, whether they be sightings of the U-2, SR-71, F-117, or black
budget configurations of discoid, lenticular, triangular, or
cylindrical craft.
When one considers these craft the obvious question arises to WHERE
they originated from. I tend to stick to the terrestrial origin of
these UFOs- which is simply an Unidentified Flying Object (aka
Unidentified Foreign Object, Unidentified FO(e)).
Please refrain from including me in groups that I do not belong. My
previous posts have dealt with German and Allied disc designs ranging
from before WW2 thru the postwar years. There is an abundance of
evidence of disc programs from this time period and the amazing part
about it is that the modern UFO phenomenon started IMMEDIATELY after
1945 (if you don't count the Foo fighters, which were German devices).
It is a FACT that the Hortens were in the US in 1946 and working on
both flying wing AND disc designs. It is also a FACT that German
engineers were here working on disc craft and that the US feared a
Soviet counterweapon of this type. My sources? The Freedom of
Information Act and documents declassified by the DoD and USAF.
I only included the occult Vril and Thule/SS disc programs because
they are part of the bigger picture of German wartime research and
their chronolgical development of discs HAS to be included in any
exploration of the German disc material. As stated earlier one CANNOT
seperate the occult from the Third Reich.
I did NOT, however, claim that I believed that the Thule or Vril
Gesellschafts did succeed in building a working "other world flight
machine" (JFM) or RZF disc, or any of the Vril and Haunebu designs
that have surfaced online. I simply included their history along with
those of Arthur Sack, BMW-Prague, Viktor Schauberger, Henri Coanda,
Andreas Epps, Alexander Lippisch, the Horten brothers, and Heinrich
Focke. All of them had disc designs during the war. And most of these
designs are confiremed:

-Arthur Sack A.S.6: Circular disc, prop, one built, private
venture, failed to fly
-BMW Flugelrad series: Jet autogyros, BMW 003 powerplant, several
flight prototypes, both tethered and flown, denied for 40 years,
admitted by USAF in 1995/6.
-Scauberger Repulsin: Discoid motors, photographic evidence,
Schauberger in US postwar, reproductions achieved laboratory flight
-Henri Coanda Lenticular Disc: Scale model, tested in windtunnel,
never built as impractical
- Andreas Epps Omega Diskus: models built, windtunnel tested, never
built as impractical
-Alexander Lippisch aerodynes: built postwar by Collins in '50s and
Dornier in 1974
- Horten discs: remain classified, tested at Wright Field, may
have led to US programs
- Heinrich Focke Fw VTOL: Patented VTOL circular aircraft,
models built postwar, investigated by USAF, possible connection to
Avrocar development
- Vril and Thule designs: Remain classified along with most of SS
Unit E-4
hardware
- Schriever Disc: Remains classified along with most of SS Unit E-4
hardware
Scientists Miethe, Habermohl, and Belluzzo went to work in US,
UK-Canada, and Russia postwar working on disc designs
- "Foo Fighter" (aka WNF Feuerball): Documented by 415th NFS and 8th
and 9th AF. Objects appeared from GROUND over German-held territory
but stopped when Germany surrendered. Reappeared in July-Aug 1945 over
Japan (U-boat technolgy transfer).
USAF has no explanation... but basic configuration matches Italian
Belluzzo's wartime Italian jet project Turboprietta(sp?)- a jet
powered round bomb.

So, I don't see any problem with suspecting that Germany DID indeed
build at least a few of these machines and that the US developed that
technology into what is in the air now under the cloak of black-budget
secrecy. Sorry, but the CIA, DoD, USAF, NRO, NSA are uncooperative
regarding this matter. The stuff we now know about was congressionally
MANDATED to be declassified.
In the late '40s thru '60s there was NO reason for the USAF to attempt
to build disc aircraft. Yet we know for a FACT that they tried.
What the Germans developed must have really had an impact on them for
them to go to all that effort and funding on something that you claim
doesn't work.
But as I stated numerous times before Keith you are NOT a scientist,
physicist, intelligence operative, or expert of any kind realting to
aviation.
Yet you try to speak as one.
I could care less about what you believe because having waited all
these years I am the one who is being vindicated everytime this
material becomes declassified. You eventually will be proven
completely wrong and it gives me great pleasure knowing this. I want
to see the expression on your face when the Wright Field/Patterson
German disc flight footage becomes declassified or when a current
black budget non-jet powered field-effect craft is revealed.

Rob

[Tarver Engineering]

"robert arndt" > wrote in message
om...
> "Keith Willshaw" > wrote in message
>...

> Are YOU a physicist now Keith?

No Robert, Willshaw is a "kook troll" claiming engineering experiance in the
nuclear industry, while demonstrating no understanding of the processes, or
elements involved. Willshaw's main contribution to ram has been in the form
of plagarized URL informations.

[Kevin Brooks]

"Tarver Engineering" > wrote in message
...
>
> "robert arndt" > wrote in message
> om...
> > "Keith Willshaw" > wrote in message
> >...
>
> > Are YOU a physicist now Keith?
>
> No Robert, Willshaw is a "kook troll" claiming engineering experiance in
the
> nuclear industry, while demonstrating no understanding of the processes,
or
> elements involved. Willshaw's main contribution to ram has been in the
form
> of plagarized URL informations.
>

Keith continues to demonstrate a heck of lot better grasp of reality than
ol' "Splaps Boy the Tarvernaut" has ever shown us. Let's see, if we consider
the specific claims from the above ("...claiming engineering
experiance(sic)...demonstrating no understanding... "), it appears that
description actually more aptly describes the Tarvernaut himself, author of
such Usenet gems as the "optical nuke", the "recoilless" M102 howitzer,
creative Civil War history, etc. How many folks have a web page dedicated to
some of their more infamous rants?

http://members.optusnet.com.au/~philmil/ADA_FAQ/ADA_FAQ_tarver.htm

To the uninitiated, it is worth a visit just for the laughs. Kind of like
having our own native Denyav.

Brooks
>

[Keith Willshaw]

"robert arndt" > wrote in message
om...
> "Keith Willshaw" > wrote in message
>...
> > "robert arndt" > wrote in message
> > om...
> >
> > >
> > > http://thomasmc.com/0828a.htm
> > >
> > > Here's some info you might find useful, Keith Willshaw
notwithstanding...
> > >
> > > Rob
> >
> > When assessing these matters most of us prefer physics textbooks to web
> > pages prepared by UFO Research Organizations Mr Arndt.
> >
> > Keith
>
>
> Are YOU a physicist now Keith? No, you aren't... just some guy who
> likes to act like one.

No I'm an engineer, physics was one of the subjects I studied

> And BTW, I don't think it takes a genius to figure out that many of
> the UFO sightings over the last century WERE in fact military
> projects, whether they be sightings of the U-2, SR-71, F-117, or black
> budget configurations of discoid, lenticular, triangular, or
> cylindrical craft.
> When one considers these craft the obvious question arises to WHERE
> they originated from. I tend to stick to the terrestrial origin of
> these UFOs- which is simply an Unidentified Flying Object (aka
> Unidentified Foreign Object, Unidentified FO(e)).
> Please refrain from including me in groups that I do not belong.

You provided a cite originating from a UFO group, I simply
pointed that out.

> My
> previous posts have dealt with German and Allied disc designs ranging
> from before WW2 thru the postwar years. There is an abundance of
> evidence of disc programs from this time period and the amazing part
> about it is that the modern UFO phenomenon started IMMEDIATELY after
> 1945 (if you don't count the Foo fighters, which were German devices).
> It is a FACT that the Hortens were in the US in 1946 and working on
> both flying wing AND disc designs. It is also a FACT that German
> engineers were here working on disc craft and that the US feared a
> Soviet counterweapon of this type. My sources? The Freedom of
> Information Act and documents declassified by the DoD and USAF.
> I only included the occult Vril and Thule/SS disc programs because
> they are part of the bigger picture of German wartime research and
> their chronolgical development of discs HAS to be included in any
> exploration of the German disc material. As stated earlier one CANNOT
> seperate the occult from the Third Reich.
> I did NOT, however, claim that I believed that the Thule or Vril
> Gesellschafts did succeed in building a working "other world flight
> machine" (JFM) or RZF disc, or any of the Vril and Haunebu designs
> that have surfaced online. I simply included their history along with
> those of Arthur Sack, BMW-Prague, Viktor Schauberger, Henri Coanda,
> Andreas Epps, Alexander Lippisch, the Horten brothers, and Heinrich
> Focke. All of them had disc designs during the war. And most of these
> designs are confiremed:
>
> -Arthur Sack A.S.6: Circular disc, prop, one built, private
> venture, failed to fly
> -BMW Flugelrad series: Jet autogyros, BMW 003 powerplant, several
> flight prototypes, both tethered and flown, denied for 40 years,
> admitted by USAF in 1995/6.
> -Scauberger Repulsin: Discoid motors, photographic evidence,
> Schauberger in US postwar, reproductions achieved laboratory flight
> -Henri Coanda Lenticular Disc: Scale model, tested in windtunnel,
> never built as impractical
> - Andreas Epps Omega Diskus: models built, windtunnel tested, never
> built as impractical
> -Alexander Lippisch aerodynes: built postwar by Collins in '50s and
> Dornier in 1974
> - Horten discs: remain classified, tested at Wright Field, may
> have led to US programs
> - Heinrich Focke Fw VTOL: Patented VTOL circular aircraft,
> models built postwar, investigated by USAF, possible connection to
> Avrocar development
> - Vril and Thule designs: Remain classified along with most of SS
> Unit E-4
> hardware
> - Schriever Disc: Remains classified along with most of SS Unit E-4
> hardware
> Scientists Miethe, Habermohl, and Belluzzo went to work in US,
> UK-Canada, and Russia postwar working on disc designs
> - "Foo Fighter" (aka WNF Feuerball): Documented by 415th NFS and 8th
> and 9th AF. Objects appeared from GROUND over German-held territory
> but stopped when Germany surrendered. Reappeared in July-Aug 1945 over
> Japan (U-boat technolgy transfer).
> USAF has no explanation... but basic configuration matches Italian
> Belluzzo's wartime Italian jet project Turboprietta(sp?)- a jet
> powered round bomb.
>
> So, I don't see any problem with suspecting that Germany DID indeed
> build at least a few of these machines and that the US developed that
> technology into what is in the air now under the cloak of black-budget
> secrecy. Sorry, but the CIA, DoD, USAF, NRO, NSA are uncooperative
> regarding this matter. The stuff we now know about was congressionally
> MANDATED to be declassified.
> In the late '40s thru '60s there was NO reason for the USAF to attempt
> to build disc aircraft. Yet we know for a FACT that they tried.
> What the Germans developed must have really had an impact on them for
> them to go to all that effort and funding on something that you claim
> doesn't work.
> But as I stated numerous times before Keith you are NOT a scientist,
> physicist, intelligence operative, or expert of any kind realting to
> aviation.

As I have said I am an engineer, I like to see credible evidence
and you have presented none.

> Yet you try to speak as one.
> I could care less about what you believe because having waited all
> these years I am the one who is being vindicated everytime this
> material becomes declassified. You eventually will be proven
> completely wrong and it gives me great pleasure knowing this. I want
> to see the expression on your face when the Wright Field/Patterson
> German disc flight footage becomes declassified or when a current
> black budget non-jet powered field-effect craft is revealed.
>

Whatever

Keith

[Andrew Chaplin]

"Keith Willshaw" > wrote in message
...
>
<snip>
> As I have said I am an engineer, I like to see credible evidence
> and you have presented none.

When presented with a pint glass with about 10 Imperial fluid ounces in
it, an optimist will state that it's half full, and a pessimist will
claim that it's half empty. An engineer, however, will point out that the
glass is twice the size it needs to be.
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)

[B2431]

>From: (robert arndt)

>Are YOU a physicist now Keith? No, you aren't... just some guy who
>likes to act like one.
>
>Rob
>
OK, arndt, now you have tarver on your side. He's a EE with jet mech experience
a long time ago yet claims to be an expert on everything.

Now then, are YOU a physicist? What are your bona fides?

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

[Tarver Engineering]

"Andrew Chaplin" > wrote in message
...
> "Keith Willshaw" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> <snip>
> > As I have said I am an engineer, I like to see credible evidence
> > and you have presented none.
>
> When presented with a pint glass with about 10 Imperial fluid ounces in
> it, an optimist will state that it's half full, and a pessimist will
> claim that it's half empty. An engineer, however, will point out that the
> glass is twice the size it needs to be.

Willshaw uses the term "engineer" to mean "mechanic".

[Chad Irby]

In article >,
(B2431) wrote:

> >From: (robert arndt)
>
> >Are YOU a physicist now Keith? No, you aren't... just some guy who
> >likes to act like one.
> >
> >Rob
> >
> OK, arndt, now you have tarver on your side. He's a EE with jet mech
> experience a long time ago yet claims to be an expert on everything.

Geez, Tarver and Arndt working together.

I guess we're going to start getting "Von Daniken was right" posts now.

--
cirby at cfl.rr.com

Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations.
Slam on brakes accordingly.

[Chad Irby]

In article >,
"Andrew Chaplin" > wrote:

> When presented with a pint glass with about 10 Imperial fluid ounces
> in it, an optimist will state that it's half full, and a pessimist
> will claim that it's half empty. An engineer, however, will point out
> that the glass is twice the size it needs to be.

....and a ground crew guy will say "who's been drinking my ****ing beer?"

--
cirby at cfl.rr.com

Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations.
Slam on brakes accordingly.

[Tarver Engineering]

"Chad Irby" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Andrew Chaplin" > wrote:
>
> > When presented with a pint glass with about 10 Imperial fluid ounces
> > in it, an optimist will state that it's half full, and a pessimist
> > will claim that it's half empty. An engineer, however, will point out
> > that the glass is twice the size it needs to be.
>
> ...and a ground crew guy will say "who's been drinking my ****ing beer?"

I'd be sure to fill your beer back up, Chad.

[Tarver Engineering]

"Chad Irby" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> (B2431) wrote:
>
> > >From: (robert arndt)
> >
> > >Are YOU a physicist now Keith? No, you aren't... just some guy who
> > >likes to act like one.
> > >
> > >Rob
> > >
> > OK, arndt, now you have tarver on your side. He's a EE with jet mech
> > experience a long time ago yet claims to be an expert on everything.
>
> Geez, Tarver and Arndt working together.

I don't want Robert to feel bad about Willshaw's unqualified abuse.

Certainly, if a bomb with a 5 year half life, producing a highly radioactive
element, could be made, it would have effected the USAF operational plan to
repopulate flight lines after ten days.

[Kevin Brooks]

"Tarver Engineering" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Chad Irby" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > (B2431) wrote:
> >
> > > >From: (robert arndt)
> > >
> > > >Are YOU a physicist now Keith? No, you aren't... just some guy who
> > > >likes to act like one.
> > > >
> > > >Rob
> > > >
> > > OK, arndt, now you have tarver on your side. He's a EE with jet mech
> > > experience a long time ago yet claims to be an expert on everything.
> >
> > Geez, Tarver and Arndt working together.
>
> I don't want Robert to feel bad about Willshaw's unqualified abuse.
>
> Certainly, if a bomb with a 5 year half life, producing a highly
radioactive
> element, could be made, it would have effected

Effected? As in made it occur?

the USAF operational plan to
> repopulate flight lines after ten days.

Where did you get this, from the same source you got your "optical nuke"
from?

Brooks

>
>

[Tarver Engineering]

"Kevin Brooks" > wrote in message
.. .
>
> "Tarver Engineering" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Chad Irby" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > In article >,
> > > (B2431) wrote:
> > >
> > > > >From: (robert arndt)
> > > >
> > > > >Are YOU a physicist now Keith? No, you aren't... just some guy who
> > > > >likes to act like one.
> > > > >
> > > > >Rob
> > > > >
> > > > OK, arndt, now you have tarver on your side. He's a EE with jet mech
> > > > experience a long time ago yet claims to be an expert on everything.
> > >
> > > Geez, Tarver and Arndt working together.
> >
> > I don't want Robert to feel bad about Willshaw's unqualified abuse.
> >
> > Certainly, if a bomb with a 5 year half life, producing a highly
radioactive
> > element, could be made, it would have effected
>
> Effected? As in made it occur?

No, there would be no way to go forward with operations, without a lot of
equipment the USAF did not have, as there was only preperation for the area
cooling off in ten days.

> > the USAF operational plan to
> > repopulate flight lines after ten days.
>
> Where did you get this, from the same source you got your "optical nuke"
> from?

Same place.

What did you do during the Cold War, Kevin?

I held an NSA Secret ticket at 17.

[Kevin Brooks]

"Tarver Engineering" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Kevin Brooks" > wrote in message
> .. .
> >
> > "Tarver Engineering" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > > "Chad Irby" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > In article >,
> > > > (B2431) wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > >From: (robert arndt)
> > > > >
> > > > > >Are YOU a physicist now Keith? No, you aren't... just some guy
who
> > > > > >likes to act like one.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Rob
> > > > > >
> > > > > OK, arndt, now you have tarver on your side. He's a EE with jet
mech
> > > > > experience a long time ago yet claims to be an expert on
everything.
> > > >
> > > > Geez, Tarver and Arndt working together.
> > >
> > > I don't want Robert to feel bad about Willshaw's unqualified abuse.
> > >
> > > Certainly, if a bomb with a 5 year half life, producing a highly
> radioactive
> > > element, could be made, it would have effected
> >
> > Effected? As in made it occur?
>
> No, there would be no way to go forward with operations, without a lot of
> equipment the USAF did not have, as there was only preperation for the
area
> cooling off in ten days.

Effected?

>
> > > the USAF operational plan to
> > > repopulate flight lines after ten days.
> >
> > Where did you get this, from the same source you got your "optical nuke"
> > from?
>
> Same place.

That figures--so you mean you made it up?

>
> What did you do during the Cold War, Kevin?

Sat around waiting to install my share of the V Corps obstacle effort, which
was already pretty tightly mapped out for us.

>
> I held an NSA Secret ticket at 17.

Uhmmm...what is a "NSA Secret" clearance? I have heard of Confidential, and
Secret, and NATO-Secret, and Top Secret with all of its strange
subcategories, but never an "NSA Secret". Let's see, we handled everything
in the COMSEC account from KY-57's and tape readers to key generation
computers and software, and the security requirement generally was either
confidential or secret, nothing about an "NSA Secret". Having spent a few
years as security manager for battalion and brigade level organizations,
could you enlighten me as to what this is?

Brooks

>
>

[Tarver Engineering]

"Kevin Brooks" > wrote in message
.. .
>
> "Tarver Engineering" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Kevin Brooks" > wrote in message
> > .. .
> > >
> > > "Tarver Engineering" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > >
> > > > "Chad Irby" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > > In article >,
> > > > > (B2431) wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > >From: (robert arndt)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >Are YOU a physicist now Keith? No, you aren't... just some guy
who
> > > > > > >likes to act like one.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Rob
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > OK, arndt, now you have tarver on your side. He's a EE with jet
mech
> > > > > > experience a long time ago yet claims to be an expert on
everything.
> > > > >
> > > > > Geez, Tarver and Arndt working together.
> > > >
> > > > I don't want Robert to feel bad about Willshaw's unqualified abuse.
> > > >
> > > > Certainly, if a bomb with a 5 year half life, producing a highly
radioactive
> > > > element, could be made, it would have effected
> > >
> > > Effected? As in made it occur?
> >
> > No, there would be no way to go forward with operations, without a lot
of
> > equipment the USAF did not have, as there was only preperation for the
area
> > cooling off in ten days.
>
> Effected?

You need to leave the sentences in one piece to be able to follow, Kevin.
It is clear that you are none too bright and bifrocating a complete thought
is something your mind is probably incapable of doing the registering for.

> > > > the USAF operational plan to
> > > > repopulate flight lines after ten days.
> > >
> > > Where did you get this, from the same source you got your "optical
nuke"
> > > from?
> >
> > Same place.
>
> That figures--so you mean you made it up?

I mean I was in ADC in the 1970s and then signatory to ITT's Paramus account
on Edwards in the 1980s.

> > What did you do during the Cold War, Kevin?
>
> Sat around waiting to install my share of the V Corps obstacle effort,
which
> was already pretty tightly mapped out for us.

Grunts did not need to know much.

> > I held an NSA Secret ticket at 17.
>
> Uhmmm...what is a "NSA Secret" clearance?

Similar to a "DoD Secret" clearance and it's inferior cousin the "DSO
Secret" clearance. Each of the agencies uses a different level of effort in
their work.

> I have heard of Confidential, and
> Secret, and NATO-Secret, and Top Secret with all of its strange
> subcategories, but never an "NSA Secret".

It is hardly surprising that you are ignorant of clearances, Kevin.

[Tarver Engineering]

"Kevin Brooks" > wrote in message
t...
>
> "Tarver Engineering" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "robert arndt" > wrote in message
> > om...
> > > "Keith Willshaw" > wrote in message
> > >...
> >
> > > Are YOU a physicist now Keith?
> >
> > No Robert, Willshaw is a "kook troll" claiming engineering experiance in
> the
> > nuclear industry, while demonstrating no understanding of the processes,
> or
> > elements involved. Willshaw's main contribution to ram has been in the
> form
> > of plagarized URL informations.
> >
>
> Keith continues to demonstrate a heck of lot better grasp of reality than
> ol' "Splaps Boy the Tarvernaut" has ever shown us. Let's see, if we
consider
> the specific claims from the above

Of course, poor Kevin, fails to understand that Phil has no clue. If either
of them did, they would not need to revert to being archive trolls to get
the job done.

[Kevin Brooks]

"Tarver Engineering" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Kevin Brooks" > wrote in message
> .. .
> >
> > "Tarver Engineering" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > > "Kevin Brooks" > wrote in message
> > > .. .
> > > >
> > > > "Tarver Engineering" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > >
> > > > > "Chad Irby" > wrote in message
> > > > > ...
> > > > > > In article >,
> > > > > > (B2431) wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > >From: (robert arndt)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Are YOU a physicist now Keith? No, you aren't... just some
guy
> who
> > > > > > > >likes to act like one.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Rob
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > OK, arndt, now you have tarver on your side. He's a EE with
jet
> mech
> > > > > > > experience a long time ago yet claims to be an expert on
> everything.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Geez, Tarver and Arndt working together.
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't want Robert to feel bad about Willshaw's unqualified
abuse.
> > > > >
> > > > > Certainly, if a bomb with a 5 year half life, producing a highly
> radioactive
> > > > > element, could be made, it would have effected
> > > >
> > > > Effected? As in made it occur?
> > >
> > > No, there would be no way to go forward with operations, without a lot
> of
> > > equipment the USAF did not have, as there was only preperation for the
> area
> > > cooling off in ten days.
> >
> > Effected?
>
> You need to leave the sentences in one piece to be able to follow, Kevin.
> It is clear that you are none too bright and bifrocating a complete
thought
> is something your mind is probably incapable of doing the registering for.

Yo, genius...since you are proving to be as dense as usual, I'll give you a
hint: "affected" was the word you were really looking for.

>
> > > > > the USAF operational plan to
> > > > > repopulate flight lines after ten days.
> > > >
> > > > Where did you get this, from the same source you got your "optical
> nuke"
> > > > from?
> > >
> > > Same place.
> >
> > That figures--so you mean you made it up?
>
> I mean I was in ADC in the 1970s and then signatory to ITT's Paramus
account
> on Edwards in the 1980s.

So you did make it up.

>
> > > What did you do during the Cold War, Kevin?
> >
> > Sat around waiting to install my share of the V Corps obstacle effort,
> which
> > was already pretty tightly mapped out for us.
>
> Grunts did not need to know much.

Yeah, nothing more than the OPLAN which we were gonna be supporting, right?
Geeze, you are proving to be especially ridiculous today, Tarvernaut.

>
> > > I held an NSA Secret ticket at 17.
> >
> > Uhmmm...what is a "NSA Secret" clearance?
>
> Similar to a "DoD Secret" clearance and it's inferior cousin the "DSO
> Secret" clearance. Each of the agencies uses a different level of effort
in
> their work.

Eh? Got anything to back that one up? That seems to differ with info from
the DSS (security clearances are normally respected across the span of
government agencies). Why do you presist in making things up that you
*never* provide evidence in support of? Are you so out of touch with reality
that you actually think others *believe* this kind of horsecrap?

>
> > I have heard of Confidential, and
> > Secret, and NATO-Secret, and Top Secret with all of its strange
> > subcategories, but never an "NSA Secret".
>
> It is hardly surprising that you are ignorant of clearances, Kevin.

LOL! Yeah, sure thing there, Splapsy. You get back to us when you come up
with some evidence to support
these latest curious rants of yours, you hear now? Until then we'll file
them with your fictional "optical nuke", etc.

Brooks

>
>

[Kevin Brooks]

"Tarver Engineering" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Kevin Brooks" > wrote in message
> t...
> >
> > "Tarver Engineering" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > > "robert arndt" > wrote in message
> > > om...
> > > > "Keith Willshaw" > wrote in message
> > > >...
> > >
> > > > Are YOU a physicist now Keith?
> > >
> > > No Robert, Willshaw is a "kook troll" claiming engineering experiance
in
> > the
> > > nuclear industry, while demonstrating no understanding of the
processes,
> > or
> > > elements involved. Willshaw's main contribution to ram has been in
the
> > form
> > > of plagarized URL informations.
> > >
> >
> > Keith continues to demonstrate a heck of lot better grasp of reality
than
> > ol' "Splaps Boy the Tarvernaut" has ever shown us. Let's see, if we
> consider
> > the specific claims from the above
>
> Of course, poor Kevin, fails to understand that Phil has no clue. If
either
> of them did, they would not need to revert to being archive trolls to get
> the job done.

Phil? What "Phil" are you talking about? Are you paranoid much?

Brooks
>
>

[B2431]

>From: "Tarver Engineering"

>Certainly, if a bomb with a 5 year half life, producing a highly radioactive
>element, could be made, it would have effected the USAF operational plan to
>repopulate flight lines after ten days.
>

"Affected"

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

[B2431]

>From: "Tarver Engineering"

>What did you do during the Cold War, Kevin?
>
>I held an NSA Secret ticket at 17.
>

Try DOD secret. A jet mech has nothing to do with NSA and never has.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

[Tarver Engineering]

"Kevin Brooks" > wrote in message
. ..
>
> "Tarver Engineering" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Kevin Brooks" > wrote in message
> > t...
> > >
> > > "Tarver Engineering" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > >
> > > > "robert arndt" > wrote in message
> > > > om...
> > > > > "Keith Willshaw" > wrote in
message
> > > > >...
> > > >
> > > > > Are YOU a physicist now Keith?
> > > >
> > > > No Robert, Willshaw is a "kook troll" claiming engineering
experiance in the
> > > > nuclear industry, while demonstrating no understanding of the
processes, or
> > > > elements involved. Willshaw's main contribution to ram has been in
the form
> > > > of plagarized URL informations.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Keith continues to demonstrate a heck of lot better grasp of reality
than
> > > ol' "Splaps Boy the Tarvernaut" has ever shown us. Let's see, if we
consider
> > > the specific claims from the above
> >
> > Of course, poor Kevin, fails to understand that Phil has no clue. If
either
> > of them did, they would not need to revert to being archive trolls to
get
> > the job done.
>
> Phil? What "Phil" are you talking about? Are you paranoid much?

It is Phil Miller's archive troll you posted, Brooks.

[Tarver Engineering]

"Kevin Brooks" > wrote in message
. ..
>
> "Tarver Engineering" > wrote in message
> ...

<snip>
> Yo, genius...since you are proving to be as dense as usual, I'll give you
a
> hint: "affected" was the word you were really looking for.

I got that a while back, Kevin.

Why are you here, Kevin, outside your hemroid like personality banishing you
to discussion groups? I do not believe you are a net contributer to ram and
that makes you a lower form of troll than even Willshaw.

[Tarver Engineering]

"B2431" > wrote in message
...
> >From: "Tarver Engineering"
>
> >Certainly, if a bomb with a 5 year half life, producing a highly
radioactive
> >element, could be made, it would have effected the USAF operational plan
to
> >repopulate flight lines after ten days.
> >
>
> "Affected"

Yep.

[Kevin Brooks]

"Tarver Engineering" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Kevin Brooks" > wrote in message
> . ..
> >
> > "Tarver Engineering" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > > "Kevin Brooks" > wrote in message
> > > t...
> > > >
> > > > "Tarver Engineering" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > >
> > > > > "robert arndt" > wrote in message
> > > > > om...
> > > > > > "Keith Willshaw" > wrote in
> message
> > > > > >...
> > > > >
> > > > > > Are YOU a physicist now Keith?
> > > > >
> > > > > No Robert, Willshaw is a "kook troll" claiming engineering
> experiance in the
> > > > > nuclear industry, while demonstrating no understanding of the
> processes, or
> > > > > elements involved. Willshaw's main contribution to ram has been
in
> the form
> > > > > of plagarized URL informations.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Keith continues to demonstrate a heck of lot better grasp of reality
> than
> > > > ol' "Splaps Boy the Tarvernaut" has ever shown us. Let's see, if we
> consider
> > > > the specific claims from the above
> > >
> > > Of course, poor Kevin, fails to understand that Phil has no clue. If
> either
> > > of them did, they would not need to revert to being archive trolls to
> get
> > > the job done.
> >
> > Phil? What "Phil" are you talking about? Are you paranoid much?
>
> It is Phil Miller's archive troll you posted, Brooks.

Oh, *that* Phil. You must have mistakenly snipped that entertaining link, so
here it is again...

http://members.optusnet.com.au/~philmil/ADA_FAQ/ADA_FAQ_tarver.htm

I especially liked the ones where you were honking about all of that
allegedly high-level political muscle you have there...a real hoot!

Brooks


>
>

[Tarver Engineering]

"Kevin Brooks" > wrote in message
. ..
>
> "Tarver Engineering" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Kevin Brooks" > wrote in message
> > . ..
> > >
> > > "Tarver Engineering" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > >
> > > > "Kevin Brooks" > wrote in message
> > > > t...
> > > > >
> > > > > "Tarver Engineering" > wrote in message
> > > > > ...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "robert arndt" > wrote in message
> > > > > > om...
> > > > > > > "Keith Willshaw" > wrote in
> > message
> > > > > > >...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Are YOU a physicist now Keith?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No Robert, Willshaw is a "kook troll" claiming engineering
experiance in the
> > > > > > nuclear industry, while demonstrating no understanding of the
processes, or
> > > > > > elements involved. Willshaw's main contribution to ram has been
in the form
> > > > > > of plagarized URL informations.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Keith continues to demonstrate a heck of lot better grasp of
reality than
> > > > > ol' "Splaps Boy the Tarvernaut" has ever shown us. Let's see, if
we
> > consider
> > > > > the specific claims from the above
> > > >
> > > > Of course, poor Kevin, fails to understand that Phil has no clue.
If either
> > > > of them did, they would not need to revert to being archive trolls
to get
> > > > the job done.
> > >
> > > Phil? What "Phil" are you talking about? Are you paranoid much?
> >
> > It is Phil Miller's archive troll you posted, Brooks.
>
> Oh, *that* Phil.

Yep, clueless Phil.

[Tarver Engineering]

"B2431" > wrote in message
...
> >From: "Tarver Engineering"
>
> >What did you do during the Cold War, Kevin?
> >
> >I held an NSA Secret ticket at 17.
> >
>
> Try DOD secret. A jet mech has nothing to do with NSA and never has.

I had a wart on my thumb, so I got the NSA Secret.

Do you ever get anything right, Dan?

How is that medical retirement comming?

[Kevin Brooks]

"Tarver Engineering" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Kevin Brooks" > wrote in message
> . ..
> >
> > "Tarver Engineering" > wrote in message
> > ...
>
> <snip>
> > Yo, genius...since you are proving to be as dense as usual, I'll give
you
> a
> > hint: "affected" was the word you were really looking for.
>
> I got that a while back, Kevin.
>
> Why are you here, Kevin, outside your hemroid

A what?

like personality banishing you
> to discussion groups? I do not believe you are a net contributer to ram
and
> that makes you a lower form of troll than even Willshaw.

I try to generally limit the bashing to those who so richly deserve it, like
you. Otherwise I generally try to stay more or less on-topic. But you are a
distinct curiousity--someone who can't admit the truth even when it is
presented to him in triplicate, and who has an amazing propensity to
apparently actually believe most of the fantasies he posts. If it was not so
fun watching you get hammered by a plethora of more realistric posters on
such a regular basis you'd likely be a real perturbation, but as it is you
are just light entertainment.

Brooks
>
>

[B2431]

>From: "Tarver Engineering"

>
>Why are you here, Kevin, outside your hemroid like personality banishing you
>to discussion groups?

It's "hemorrhoid."

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

[B2431]

>From: "Tarver Engineering"

>"B2431" > wrote in message
...
>> >From: "Tarver Engineering"
>>
>> >What did you do during the Cold War, Kevin?
>> >
>> >I held an NSA Secret ticket at 17.
>> >
>>
>> Try DOD secret. A jet mech has nothing to do with NSA and never has.
>
>I had a wart on my thumb, so I got the NSA Secret.
>

Let's see, a wart on the thumb of jet mech
holding the rank of Amn or A1C rates notice from NSA which has an interest in
jet engines let alone a peon in ADC?

Do you even know what NSA is?

I will wait with great interest as you explain this.


Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[B2431]

>From: "Tarver Engineering"

>
>Yep, clueless Phil.

Not so clueless when one can verify everything attributed to you on his site by
doing a simple Google search.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

[EB Jet]

It's scary that people can become engineers when they CAN'T EVEN SPELL WORDS
CORRECTLY.

[Alan Minyard]

On 12 Dec 2003 21:47:54 GMT, (B2431) wrote:

>>From: "Tarver Engineering"
>
>>
>>Why are you here, Kevin, outside your hemroid like personality banishing you
>>to discussion groups?
>
>It's "hemorrhoid."
>
>Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

I would e-mail him a spell-checker, but that would take all of the "fun" out
of his rants :-)


Al Minyard

[Alan Minyard]

On 12 Dec 2003 21:54:34 GMT, (B2431) wrote:

>>From: "Tarver Engineering"
>
>>"B2431" > wrote in message
...
>>> >From: "Tarver Engineering"
>>>
>>> >What did you do during the Cold War, Kevin?
>>> >
>>> >I held an NSA Secret ticket at 17.
>>> >
>>>
>>> Try DOD secret. A jet mech has nothing to do with NSA and never has.
>>
>>I had a wart on my thumb, so I got the NSA Secret.
>>
>
>Let's see, a wart on the thumb of jet mech
>holding the rank of Amn or A1C rates notice from NSA which has an interest in
>jet engines let alone a peon in ADC?
>
>Do you even know what NSA is?
>
>I will wait with great interest as you explain this.
>
>
>Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
>
>
>
If you really want to confuse him, bring up the DIA. I used to work
with those folks.

Al Minyard

[Tarver Engineering]

"B2431" > wrote in message
...
> >From: "Tarver Engineering"
>
> >
> >Yep, clueless Phil.
>
> Not so clueless when one can verify everything attributed to you on his
site by
> doing a simple Google search.

The only thing you can do by using Phil's archive troll is be a troll, Dan.

[Tarver Engineering]

"Alan Minyard" > wrote in message
...
> On 12 Dec 2003 21:47:54 GMT, (B2431) wrote:
>
> >>From: "Tarver Engineering"
> >
> >>
> >>Why are you here, Kevin, outside your hemroid like personality banishing
you
> >>to discussion groups?
> >
> >It's "hemorrhoid."

> I would e-mail him a spell-checker, but that would take all of the "fun"
out
> of his rants :-)

I could just turn on my spellchecker.

[Tarver Engineering]

"B2431" > wrote in message
...
> >From: "Tarver Engineering"
>
> >"B2431" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> >From: "Tarver Engineering"
> >>
> >> >What did you do during the Cold War, Kevin?
> >> >
> >> >I held an NSA Secret ticket at 17.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Try DOD secret. A jet mech has nothing to do with NSA and never has.
> >
> >I had a wart on my thumb, so I got the NSA Secret.
> >
>
> Let's see, a wart on the thumb of jet mech
> holding the rank of Amn or A1C rates notice from NSA which has an interest
in
> jet engines let alone a peon in ADC?

Yep, nukes were pretty well protected in those days.

[Tarver Engineering]

"EB Jet" > wrote in message
...
> It's scary that people can become engineers when they CAN'T EVEN SPELL
WORDS
> CORRECTLY.

It is a right brain left brain thing. Most people that can do engineering
(applied physics) can't spell. In my case, I could just turn on a
spellchecker, but then your contribution at ram would be replaced by a
mindless bot, EB.

[Chad Irby]

In article >,
"Tarver Engineering" > wrote:

> It is a right brain left brain thing. Most people that can do
> engineering (applied physics) can't spell.

Actually, no. All that means is that you never learned to spell.

--
cirby at cfl.rr.com

Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations.
Slam on brakes accordingly.

[B2431]

>From: "Tarver Engineering"
>
>"B2431" > wrote in message
...
>> >From: "Tarver Engineering"
>>
>> >"B2431" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >> >From: "Tarver Engineering"
>> >>
>> >> >What did you do during the Cold War, Kevin?
>> >> >
>> >> >I held an NSA Secret ticket at 17.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Try DOD secret. A jet mech has nothing to do with NSA and never has.
>> >
>> >I had a wart on my thumb, so I got the NSA Secret.
>> >
>>
>> Let's see, a wart on the thumb of jet mech
>> holding the rank of Amn or A1C rates notice from NSA which has an interest
>in
>> jet engines let alone a peon in ADC?
>
>Yep, nukes were pretty well protected in those days.
>

So sorry, you need to do better. I was closer to nukes than you ever were and
NSA was never involved.

From the NSA web site:

"What is the NSA?

The National Security Agency is the Nation's cryptologic organization. It
coordinates, directs, and performs highly specialized activities to protect
U.S. information systems and produce foreign intelligence information. A high
technology organization, NSA is on the frontiers of communications and data
processing. It is also one of the most important centers of foreign language
analysis and research within the Government."

No nukes. Try another lie.

Forget the right brain / left brain garbage. I am dyslexic so I slow down and
get it right. If I can do it you can also.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

[Orval Fairbairn]

In article >,
(B2431) wrote:

> >From: "Tarver Engineering"
>
> >What did you do during the Cold War, Kevin?
> >
> >I held an NSA Secret ticket at 17.
> >
>
> Try DOD secret. A jet mech has nothing to do with NSA and never has.
>
> Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

Since WHEN does ANYBODY get any kind of clearance under the age of 18?

[B2431]

>From: Orval Fairbairn
>Date: 12/13/2003 9:06 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id:
>
>
>In article >,
> (B2431) wrote:
>
>> >From: "Tarver Engineering"
>>
>> >What did you do during the Cold War, Kevin?
>> >
>> >I held an NSA Secret ticket at 17.
>> >
>>
>> Try DOD secret. A jet mech has nothing to do with NSA and never has.
>>
>> Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired
>
>Since WHEN does ANYBODY get any kind of clearance under the age of 18?
>

DOD does it at least on the confidential and secret level.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

[Kevin Brooks]

"Chad Irby" > wrote in message
om...
> In article >,
> "Tarver Engineering" > wrote:
>
> > It is a right brain left brain thing. Most people that can do
> > engineering (applied physics) can't spell.
>
> Actually, no. All that means is that you never learned to spell.

Nor did he apparently learn how to provide any evidence backing his more
specious claims. Note how he quickly dropped the ball when asked to provide
some kind of evidence regarding the existance of this "NSA Secret"
clearance, and then its alleged tie to nuclear security (I can well imagine
in Tarverese, NSA means "Nuclear Security Agency" or some such rot).

Brooks

>
> --
> cirby at cfl.rr.com
>
> Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations.
> Slam on brakes accordingly.

[B2431]

>From: "Kevin Brooks"

>"Chad Irby" > wrote in message
om...
>> In article >,
>> "Tarver Engineering" > wrote:
>>
>> > It is a right brain left brain thing. Most people that can do
>> > engineering (applied physics) can't spell.
>>
>> Actually, no. All that means is that you never learned to spell.
>
>Nor did he apparently learn how to provide any evidence backing his more
>specious claims. Note how he quickly dropped the ball when asked to provide
>some kind of evidence regarding the existance of this "NSA Secret"
>clearance, and then its alleged tie to nuclear security (I can well imagine
>in Tarverese, NSA means "Nuclear Security Agency" or some such rot).
>
>Brooks
>

Should we tell him about AEC and their security systems? Maybe we should ask
him what a Q clearance is?

No need to, he's already a legend in his own mind.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

[Steve Hix]

In article >,
Chad Irby > wrote:

> In article >,
> "Tarver Engineering" > wrote:
>
> > It is a right brain left brain thing. Most people that can do
> > engineering (applied physics) can't spell.
>
> Actually, no. All that means is that you never learned to spell.

He can do engineering??

[B2431]

>From: Steve Hix
>Date: 12/14/2003 5:47 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>In article >,
> Chad Irby > wrote:
>
>> In article >,
>> "Tarver Engineering" > wrote:
>>
>> > It is a right brain left brain thing. Most people that can do
>> > engineering (applied physics) can't spell.
>>
>> Actually, no. All that means is that you never learned to spell.
>
>He can do engineering??
>
He says so there fore it MUST be true.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

[EB Jet]

All that means is that without a spellchecker,YOU STILL CAN'T SPELL..

[Alan Minyard]

On 15 Dec 2003 01:06:22 GMT, (B2431) wrote:

>>From: Steve Hix
>>Date: 12/14/2003 5:47 PM Central Standard Time
>>Message-id: >
>>
>>In article >,
>> Chad Irby > wrote:
>>
>>> In article >,
>>> "Tarver Engineering" > wrote:
>>>
>>> > It is a right brain left brain thing. Most people that can do
>>> > engineering (applied physics) can't spell.
>>>
>>> Actually, no. All that means is that you never learned to spell.
>>
>>He can do engineering??
>>
>He says so there fore it MUST be true.
>
>Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

As one resume submitted to an unnamed aerospace firm read
"I ark an enginear", also "I couldent even spell enginear, now
I are one". :-))

Al Minyard

[Tank Fixer]

In article >,
says...
> It's scary that people can become engineers when they CAN'T EVEN SPELL WORDS
> CORRECTLY.
>

He doesn't have to kow how to spell to drive a train....


--
When dealing with propaganda terminology one sometimes always speaks in
variable absolutes. This is not to be mistaken for an unbiased slant.

[Tank Fixer]

In article <orfairbairn_spam_sucks-DFC00E.22063413122003
@news05.east.earthlink.net>, says...
> In article >,
> (B2431) wrote:
>
> > >From: "Tarver Engineering"
> >
> > >What did you do during the Cold War, Kevin?
> > >
> > >I held an NSA Secret ticket at 17.
> > >
> >
> > Try DOD secret. A jet mech has nothing to do with NSA and never has.
> >
> > Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired
>
> Since WHEN does ANYBODY get any kind of clearance under the age of 18?

When he makes stuff up ??




--
When dealing with propaganda terminology one sometimes always speaks in
variable absolutes. This is not to be mistaken for an unbiased slant.

[Tank Fixer]

In article >,
says...
> In article >,
> "Tarver Engineering" > wrote:
>
> > It is a right brain left brain thing. Most people that can do
> > engineering (applied physics) can't spell.
>
> Actually, no. All that means is that you never learned to spell.

And is not bright enough to recognise the failing and use those tools at
hand to correct it.


--
When dealing with propaganda terminology one sometimes always speaks in
variable absolutes. This is not to be mistaken for an unbiased slant.