Re: India rejects new Russian jets semi OT

[Kevin Brooks]

> wrote in message
...
> India has refused to accept a new batch of Russian Sukhoi combat jets
> because of a high rate of engine failure in earlier batches bought as
> part of one of the country's largest arms deals, a newspaper said on
> Sunday.
>
> The Sunday Express reported the air force had also suggested to the
> Indian defense ministry to stop further payments to Rosvooruzheniye,
> Russia's state arms exporter. The deal to buy the fighters and make
> dozens more under license is estimated to be worth about $5 billion.
>
> Oh, and allegedly SH has been captured. Could be an interesting day

This would be better posted to RAM, where it might "cool the jets" (so to
speak) of the more vociferous "Su-30's are super fighters" crowd a bit...

Brooks

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[Tarver Engineering]

"Kevin Brooks" > wrote in message
. ..
>
> > wrote in message
> ...
> > India has refused to accept a new batch of Russian Sukhoi combat jets
> > because of a high rate of engine failure in earlier batches bought as
> > part of one of the country's largest arms deals, a newspaper said on
> > Sunday.
> >
> > The Sunday Express reported the air force had also suggested to the
> > Indian defense ministry to stop further payments to Rosvooruzheniye,
> > Russia's state arms exporter. The deal to buy the fighters and make
> > dozens more under license is estimated to be worth about $5 billion.
> >
> > Oh, and allegedly SH has been captured. Could be an interesting day
>
> This would be better posted to RAM, where it might "cool the jets" (so to
> speak) of the more vociferous "Su-30's are super fighters" crowd a bit...

Shut up Kevin.

[Tuollaf43]

"Kevin Brooks" > wrote in message >...
> > wrote in message
> ...
> > India has refused to accept a new batch of Russian Sukhoi combat jets
> > because of a high rate of engine failure in earlier batches bought as
> > part of one of the country's largest arms deals, a newspaper said on
> > Sunday.
> >
> > The Sunday Express reported the air force had also suggested to the
> > Indian defense ministry to stop further payments to Rosvooruzheniye,
> > Russia's state arms exporter. The deal to buy the fighters and make
> > dozens more under license is estimated to be worth about $5 billion.
> >
> > Oh, and allegedly SH has been captured. Could be an interesting day
>
> This would be better posted to RAM, where it might "cool the jets" (so to
> speak) of the more vociferous "Su-30's are super fighters" crowd a bit...

Not exactly off-topic for s.m.n. The Su-30MKI "super fighter" is an
equal opportunity machine, it wont discriminate between a radar site,
a fighter or a ship and will kill them all with equal aplomb. LOL!


> Brooks
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> >
> >
> >
> >

[Chad Irby]

In article >,
(Tuollaf43) wrote:

> Not exactly off-topic for s.m.n. The Su-30MKI "super fighter" is an
> equal opportunity machine, it wont discriminate between a radar site,
> a fighter or a ship and will kill them all with equal aplomb. LOL!

Funny, I'd *like* my fighters to be able to tell which is which...

Although it would be somewhat interesting to kill a ship with an
air-to-air missile. "What in the hell was that cruiser doing at 30,000
feet?"

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[Tarver Engineering]

"Chad Irby" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> (Tuollaf43) wrote:
>
> > Not exactly off-topic for s.m.n. The Su-30MKI "super fighter" is an
> > equal opportunity machine, it wont discriminate between a radar site,
> > a fighter or a ship and will kill them all with equal aplomb. LOL!
>
> Funny, I'd *like* my fighters to be able to tell which is which...

What video game?

[Kevin Brooks]

"Tarver Engineering" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Kevin Brooks" > wrote in message
> . ..
> >
> > > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > India has refused to accept a new batch of Russian Sukhoi combat jets
> > > because of a high rate of engine failure in earlier batches bought as
> > > part of one of the country's largest arms deals, a newspaper said on
> > > Sunday.
> > >
> > > The Sunday Express reported the air force had also suggested to the
> > > Indian defense ministry to stop further payments to Rosvooruzheniye,
> > > Russia's state arms exporter. The deal to buy the fighters and make
> > > dozens more under license is estimated to be worth about $5 billion.
> > >
> > > Oh, and allegedly SH has been captured. Could be an interesting day
> >
> > This would be better posted to RAM, where it might "cool the jets" (so
to
> > speak) of the more vociferous "Su-30's are super fighters" crowd a
bit...
>
> Shut up Kevin.

Still smarting over getting slapped about over your fictitious "NSA Secret"
clearance, huh Splapsy? Figured out what NSA stands for yet, Tarvernaut?

Brooks
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>

[Tarver Engineering]

"Kevin Brooks" > wrote in message
. ..
>
> "Tarver Engineering" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Kevin Brooks" > wrote in message
> > . ..
> > >
> > > > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > India has refused to accept a new batch of Russian Sukhoi combat
jets
> > > > because of a high rate of engine failure in earlier batches bought
as
> > > > part of one of the country's largest arms deals, a newspaper said on
> > > > Sunday.
> > > >
> > > > The Sunday Express reported the air force had also suggested to the
> > > > Indian defense ministry to stop further payments to Rosvooruzheniye,
> > > > Russia's state arms exporter. The deal to buy the fighters and make
> > > > dozens more under license is estimated to be worth about $5 billion.
> > > >
> > > > Oh, and allegedly SH has been captured. Could be an interesting day
> > >
> > > This would be better posted to RAM, where it might "cool the jets" (so
> to
> > > speak) of the more vociferous "Su-30's are super fighters" crowd a
> bit...
> >
> > Shut up Kevin.
>
> Still smarting over getting slapped about over your fictitious "NSA
Secret"
> clearance

Nope, I gave a real answer and you were an idiot again, Kevin. You bring
nothing of value to these discussions, outside the humor over your complete
ignorance.

[Chad Irby]

"Kevin Brooks" > wrote:

> Still smarting over getting slapped about over your fictitious "NSA
> Secret" clearance, huh Splapsy? Figured out what NSA stands for yet,
> Tarvernaut?

Well, he apparently joined the Air Force at 17, was in the Air Force for
six years (while getting that "NSA Secret" clearance), and then forgot
everything he ever thought he knew about planes...

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[Kevin Brooks]

"Tarver Engineering" > wrote in message
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>
> "Kevin Brooks" > wrote in message
> . ..
> >
> > "Tarver Engineering" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > > "Kevin Brooks" > wrote in message
> > > . ..
> > > >
> > > > > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > > India has refused to accept a new batch of Russian Sukhoi combat
> jets
> > > > > because of a high rate of engine failure in earlier batches bought
> as
> > > > > part of one of the country's largest arms deals, a newspaper said
on
> > > > > Sunday.
> > > > >
> > > > > The Sunday Express reported the air force had also suggested to
the
> > > > > Indian defense ministry to stop further payments to
Rosvooruzheniye,
> > > > > Russia's state arms exporter. The deal to buy the fighters and
make
> > > > > dozens more under license is estimated to be worth about $5
billion.
> > > > >
> > > > > Oh, and allegedly SH has been captured. Could be an interesting
day
> > > >
> > > > This would be better posted to RAM, where it might "cool the jets"
(so
> > to
> > > > speak) of the more vociferous "Su-30's are super fighters" crowd a
> > bit...
> > >
> > > Shut up Kevin.
> >
> > Still smarting over getting slapped about over your fictitious "NSA
> Secret"
> > clearance
>
> Nope, I gave a real answer and you were an idiot again, Kevin. You bring
> nothing of value to these discussions, outside the humor over your
complete
> ignorance.

Tarvernaut, are your lips moving? 'Cause you are definitely lying again, as
usual. You have continued to refuse to provide any evidence of this "NSA
Secret" clearance, or of what the alleged tie between the NSA and nuclear
weapons is. Here is another chance for you to clear those issues up; I won't
be holding my breath waiting for you to do so.

Brooks

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[Tarver Engineering]

"Chad Irby" > wrote in message
...
> "Kevin Brooks" > wrote:
>
> > Still smarting over getting slapped about over your fictitious "NSA
> > Secret" clearance, huh Splapsy? Figured out what NSA stands for yet,
> > Tarvernaut?
>
> Well, he apparently joined the Air Force at 17, was in the Air Force for
> six years (while getting that "NSA Secret" clearance), and then forgot
> everything he ever thought he knew about planes...

Well actually, right now we are part of Boeing's new 747 Amended Type
certificate.

You know, like a video game, only real.

[Chad Irby]

In article >,
"Tarver Engineering" > wrote:

> Well actually, right now we are part of Boeing's new 747 Amended Type
> certificate.
>
> You know, like a video game, only real.

....and some day, you're going to actually read what I wrote and realize
I didn't say "video game."

But reading comprehension isn't in your skill set, is it?

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[Yama]

"Kevin Brooks" > wrote in message
. ..
> > wrote in message
> ...
> > India has refused to accept a new batch of Russian Sukhoi combat jets
> > because of a high rate of engine failure in earlier batches bought as
> > part of one of the country's largest arms deals, a newspaper said on
> > Sunday.
> >
> > The Sunday Express reported the air force had also suggested to the
> > Indian defense ministry to stop further payments to Rosvooruzheniye,
> > Russia's state arms exporter. The deal to buy the fighters and make
> > dozens more under license is estimated to be worth about $5 billion.
>
> This would be better posted to RAM, where it might "cool the jets" (so to
> speak) of the more vociferous "Su-30's are super fighters" crowd a bit...

It's just scare the Russians to provide better customer service. Indians are
too committed to Su-30 program to let go at this phase (replacement program
would be difficult and ruinously expensive), and Russians cannot afford to
lose their "shop window" customer.

[Tarver Engineering]

"Chad Irby" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Tarver Engineering" > wrote:
>
> > Well actually, right now we are part of Boeing's new 747 Amended Type
> > certificate.
> >
> > You know, like a video game, only real.
>
> ...and some day, you're going to actually read what I wrote and realize
> I didn't say "video game."

A million sales and it's not a "video game"? That seems unlikely.

[Chad Irby]

"Tarver Engineering" > wrote:

> A million sales and it's not a "video game"? That seems unlikely.

Well, it's one more thing you're obviously not very well educated on.

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[Tarver Engineering]

"Chad Irby" > wrote in message
m...
> "Tarver Engineering" > wrote:
>
> > A million sales and it's not a "video game"? That seems unlikely.
>
> Well, it's one more thing you're obviously not very well educated on.

I am well enough educated ojn numbers to know there are not a million
aircraft the same. So, what does your software do, Chad? Remember that
these are aviation newsgroups and make your post on topic.

[Chad Irby]

In article >,
"Tarver Engineering" > wrote:

> "Chad Irby" > wrote in message
> m...
> > "Tarver Engineering" > wrote:
> >
> > > A million sales and it's not a "video game"? That seems unlikely.
> >
> > Well, it's one more thing you're obviously not very well educated on.
>
> I am well enough educated ojn numbers to know there are not a million
> aircraft the same. So, what does your software do, Chad?

For the second time, it's not a video game. You *really* have reading
and memory issues.

> Remember that
> these are aviation newsgroups and make your post on topic.

The topic is "how dumb is Tarver?" and you're proving it quite nicely.

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[Joe Osman]

Chad Irby wrote:
>
> In article >,
> (Tuollaf43) wrote:
>
> > Not exactly off-topic for s.m.n. The Su-30MKI "super fighter" is an
> > equal opportunity machine, it wont discriminate between a radar site,
> > a fighter or a ship and will kill them all with equal aplomb. LOL!
>
> Funny, I'd *like* my fighters to be able to tell which is which...
>
> Although it would be somewhat interesting to kill a ship with an
> air-to-air missile. "What in the hell was that cruiser doing at 30,000
> feet?"
>
> --
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>
> Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations.
> Slam on brakes accordingly.

When the first US Navy ship showed up at Son Tay island
during the Mayaquez crisis, it checked in with the overall
commander, a USAF officer. He ordered it to orbit at X000
feet and await further instructions.

Joe


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[Tuollaf43]

Chad Irby > wrote in message >...
> In article >,
> (Tuollaf43) wrote:
>
> > Not exactly off-topic for s.m.n. The Su-30MKI "super fighter" is an
> > equal opportunity machine, it wont discriminate between a radar site,
> > a fighter or a ship and will kill them all with equal aplomb. LOL!
>
> Funny, I'd *like* my fighters to be able to tell which is which...

Why? What I would like is that after my fighters are done with the
target it should be difficult to tell what the target originally was
from the residual scrap metal and vapours.

> Although it would be somewhat interesting to kill a ship with an
> air-to-air missile.

Su-30MKI weapon inventory includes Kh-31P, RVV-AE and PJ-10 for
anti-radar, anti-air and anti-ship work.

Can you kill ships with AAMs in your video game that sold a million
copies?

> "What in the hell was that cruiser doing at 30,000
> feet?"

Surfing a gargatuan Tsunami???

[Chad Irby]

In article >,
(Tuollaf43) wrote:

> Chad Irby > wrote in message
> >...
> > In article >,
> > (Tuollaf43) wrote:
> >
> > > Not exactly off-topic for s.m.n. The Su-30MKI "super fighter" is an
> > > equal opportunity machine, it wont discriminate between a radar site,
> > > a fighter or a ship and will kill them all with equal aplomb. LOL!
> >
> > Funny, I'd *like* my fighters to be able to tell which is which...
>
> Why? What I would like is that after my fighters are done with the
> target it should be difficult to tell what the target originally was
> from the residual scrap metal and vapours.

My comment was, as you have *not* noticed, a very mild dig at someone
for writing something vague and puffed-up about a plane, when they
should have said it more clearly and simply (and honestly).

> > Although it would be somewhat interesting to kill a ship with an
> > air-to-air missile.
>
> Su-30MKI weapon inventory includes Kh-31P, RVV-AE and PJ-10 for
> anti-radar, anti-air and anti-ship work.

But since the original post claimed it "won't discriminate," you can't
tell what sort of weapon it's going to fire. "Oops, fired an air-to-air
at a ship, and dropped a bomb at another jet. I wish this plane could
discriminate between targets."

*That* was what I was talking about, and which you still can't manage to
get...

> Can you kill ships with AAMs in your video game that sold a million
> copies?

As I've mentioned to the idiot who *first* read my post wrong (and who
I've corrected *twice*), it wasn't a video game.

You need a better source for your failed insults than Tarver.

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[Tuollaf43]

Chad Irby > wrote in message >...
> In article >,
> (Tuollaf43) wrote:
>
> > Chad Irby > wrote in message
> > >...
> > > In article >,
> > > (Tuollaf43) wrote:
> > >
> > > > Not exactly off-topic for s.m.n. The Su-30MKI "super fighter" is an
> > > > equal opportunity machine, it wont discriminate between a radar site,
> > > > a fighter or a ship and will kill them all with equal aplomb. LOL!
> > >
> > > Funny, I'd *like* my fighters to be able to tell which is which...
> >
> > Why? What I would like is that after my fighters are done with the
> > target it should be difficult to tell what the target originally was
> > from the residual scrap metal and vapours.
>
> My comment was, as you have *not* noticed, a very mild dig at someone
> for writing something vague and puffed-up about a plane, when they
> should have said it more clearly and simply (and honestly).

And my original comment too, as you choose not to notice either, was a
jocular one on Su-30MKI making no discrimination in *killing* a target
- viz since it can kill ships it is clearly not off topic for s.m.n. I
did not talk about whether its sensors can distriminate target type
and ID it or about using AAMs for shooting at ships - it was an
unnecessary extrapolation on your part.

> > > Although it would be somewhat interesting to kill a ship with an
> > > air-to-air missile.
> >
> > Su-30MKI weapon inventory includes Kh-31P, RVV-AE and PJ-10 for
> > anti-radar, anti-air and anti-ship work.
>
> But since the original post claimed it "won't discriminate," you can't
> tell what sort of weapon it's going to fire. "Oops, fired an air-to-air
> at a ship, and dropped a bomb at another jet. I wish this plane could
> discriminate between targets."

Like I said non discrimation was in killing part not ID'ing.

>
> *That* was what I was talking about, and which you still can't manage to
> get...
>
> > Can you kill ships with AAMs in your video game that sold a million
> > copies?
>
> As I've mentioned to the idiot who *first* read my post wrong (and who
> I've corrected *twice*), it wasn't a video game.
>
> You need a better source for your failed insults than Tarver.

hmmm, hard to argue with this - Tarver is hardly the impeccable
factual source.

Just as a matter of interest - What software was this (if not a game)?
And how many copies were sold?