Re: Enola Gay: Burnt flesh and other magnificent technologicalachievements

[B2431]

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>Date: 12/22/2003 5:38 PM Central Standard Time
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>"RufusTFirefly" > wrote in message
>...
>> > wrote in message
>> om...
>> > Cub Driver > wrote in message
>> >...
>
>> > > Was it better to bomb Hiroshima than to sacrifice several hundred
>> > > thousand American servicemen and perhaps a million or two Japanese
>> > > soldiers and civilians in the invasions to come?
>> >
>> > The operative words being "servicemen" and "soldiers", of course.
>>
>> <sarcasm on>
>>
>> Maybe I missed it, but were there comments about Coventry, The Blitz,
>> Stalingrad, Auschwitz, The Rape of Nanking, Manchuria, and all of the other
>> atrocities in the original post, or is the original post completely myopic?
>
>Were Japanses civilians responsible for any of those atrocities?
>

Quite a few were.

An interesting side note was a Nazi representative to Nanking saved the lives
of many Chinese.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

[Matt Wiser]

Steve Hix > wrote:
>In article >,
> wrote:
>
>> Cub Driver >
>wrote in message
>> >...
>>
>> > You are stubbornly refusing or psychologically
>unable to see that the
>> > U.S. was the aggrieved party in 1941-1945
>(as indeed it is the
>> > aggrieved party in 2001-200?).
>> >
>> > Japan declared war on the U.S. in December
>1941. We went ahead and won
>> > that war.
>> >
>> > Al Qaeda declared war on the U.S. in September
>2001. We are in the
>> > process of winning that war.
>>
>> So in other words, to paraphrase my little
>brother when we were kids,
>> "He started it"? Besides, your assertion that
>al-Qaeda "declared war"
>> on 9/11 is a rhetorical cheat.
>
>Not when Al qaeda publicly announced to the
>world that they had declared
>was on the U.S.
OBL has said in his interviews that his organization had done so. Since
they aren't a country, when they are caught, they should be treated in a
manner similar to when Cicero told the Roman Senate that "Pirates were the
enemies of the human race", but updated for modern times. Whenever an AQ
member is caught, give him a choice: rat on everyone and everything he knows
and he gets life in prison with no chance of parole. If he doesn't cooperate,
military tribunal followed by hanging or firing squad. And make sure the
AQ web sites get hacked to point out the fate awaiting those who aren't killed
in their pointless cause on the battlefield...the lucky ones leave Gitmo
in a pine box. The unlucky ones get sent to a supermax for the next fifty
or sixty years, but they do leave...in a pine box.

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[Matt Wiser]

Steve Hix > wrote:
>In article >,
> Cub Driver > wrote:
>
>> On Okinawa, the Japanese military forcibly
>inducted 39,000 civilian
>> men into a "home guard" that suffered fearsome
>losses. Some 1500
>> schoolboys joined an Iron and Blood suicide
>unit,
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>The IJ Navy modeled itself on the British Navy;
>did the Army model
>itself on the Prussian army?
They did. IIRC there were advisors from Prussia and later Germany in Japan
in the 1860s-70s to whip the Imperial Army into shape.

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[Matt Wiser]

Cub Driver > wrote:
>
>>The IJ Navy modeled itself on the British Navy;
>did the Army model
>>itself on the Prussian army?
>
>I've never heard that, but it's possible. The
>Russo-Japanese War was a
>major conflict, and the Nomonhan border conflicts
>were a pretty big
>deal. One is apt to learn from one's enemies.
>
>all the best -- Dan Ford
>email:
>
>see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com
>and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com
IJN was modeled on the Royal Navy: the Brits helped establish the Japanese
Naval Academy at Etajima in 1873, they built the place with bricks imported
from England, and a lock of Nelson's hair was put on display. Until the Kongo-class
BC/BBs, all major Japanese warships were built in British yards, and RN officers
supposedly served exchange tours. Togo even delayed returning the Fleet home
after Tsushima so that he could arrive home on Tralfagar Day, or so a former
Professor of mine said. Even on some ships, shipboard commands were given
in English from officer to officer. Kongo was built in Britain, but the three
others were built in Japan to the British design.

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[Mark and Kim Smith]

Maybe they were confusing with Oklahoma?!?

Rick wrote:

> RogerM quoted someone:
>
>>> Where is the footage of dead U.S. children who were in the day care
>>> centers
>>> of the World Trade Center?
>>
>
> Since I was out of town and don't have the post in which that question
> originated I can only hope that someone corrected the original poster
> that, except for several children on the airliners, there were no
> children reported killed in the WTC attacks. That probably accounts
> for the lack of "footage."
>
> Rick
>