Re: Pentagon "plane" crash revised

[Ben Full]

Michael Petukhov.exe failed a turing test with the following:

> Good place with data and analysis is here:
>
> http://www.thepowerhour.com/pentagon-911.htm
>
> Michael

Hilarious!

--
BMFull

[Dav1936531]

>From: (Michael Petukhov)
>
>
>Good place with data and analysis is here:
>http://www.thepowerhour.com/pentagon-911.htm
>Michael

I think John Tarver would be within his rights to have that web page killed.
Dave

[Krztalizer]

>
>This is the most utterly ****ing stupid piece of complete and utter bull****
>I have ever seen in my entire life.

Guest, you need to read more of Comrade Mikey's gems - this is not even one of
his best!! :))

Gordon
<====(A+C====>
USN SAR

Donate your memories - write a note on the back and send your old photos to a
reputable museum, don't take them with you when you're gone.

[[email protected]]

(Dav1936531) wrote:

>>From: (Michael Petukhov)
>
>>
>>Good place with data and analysis is here:
>>http://www.thepowerhour.com/pentagon-911.htm
>>Michael
>
>I think John Tarver would be within his rights to have that web page killed.
>Dave


Speaking of which...the dudster is the only one of that team that
I've seen since that hoohaw...any cruise missiles missing?
--

-Gord.

[Krztalizer]

>
>> Do us all a favour Michael and scuttle off to
>> alt.conspiracy, they go for this stuff over there.
>
>There is no point. I prefer to be here, Keith.
>Although I fully understand your feelings.
>If there were no 757 crashed in Penatgon
>while US goverment says there was and Ben-Laden
>says there was... then what? Then US government
>and ben-laden play for the same team. Right?
>So I fully understand you...
>
>Michael

This would be humorous if it wasn't such a pathetic attempt for attention. We
show you photos of the pieces on the ground, legions of people discuss it and
try to educate your atrophied, tunnel-visioned mind and the end result is that
you wipe it all away and start over - for no reason other than an intense need
for attention for little Michael...

Gordon

[Howard Berkowitz]

In article >,
(Krztalizer) wrote:

> >
> >> Do us all a favour Michael and scuttle off to
> >> alt.conspiracy, they go for this stuff over there.
> >
> >There is no point. I prefer to be here, Keith.
> >Although I fully understand your feelings.
> >If there were no 757 crashed in Penatgon
> >while US goverment says there was and Ben-Laden
> >says there was... then what? Then US government
> >and ben-laden play for the same team. Right?
> >So I fully understand you...
> >
> >Michael
>
> This would be humorous if it wasn't such a pathetic attempt for
> attention. We
> show you photos of the pieces on the ground, legions of people discuss it
> and
> try to educate your atrophied, tunnel-visioned mind and the end result is
> that
> you wipe it all away and start over - for no reason other than an intense
> need
> for attention for little Michael...
>
> Gordon

My home office is 3-4 miles from the Pentagon. SOMETHING made an
audible, window-shaking BANG at the time cited...it sounded like the end
of the Fourth of July fireworks on the mall. Within a minute or two,
the fighters overhead indicated the unusual.

There are enough apartments and offices in line of sight of the impact
for it to be very, very credible.

[BUFDRVR]

>I only hope it was intended to be funny, because if not, then someone is
>going to find it extremely offensive and possibly very
>upsetting.

No reason to get upset. Take it for what it is. European anti-Americanism on
full tilt. Also a public display of a typical uneducated European with an axe
to grind.

Remember, there are still many people in Germany who believe the Holocaust
never happened and that its fabrication is a giant conspiracy to defame the
German people. Invented by Americans as well.....


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

[BUFDRVR]

>> My family lost a friend that was aboard that plane. Was he part of the
>> conspiracy?
>
>No idea. Did you already show them the site info? They might be unaware
>of something very important.
>
>Michael


To quote the fameous Buzz Lightyear; "You're a sad, sad little man and you have
my pity".


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

[B2431]

>From: (BUFDRVR)

<snip>

>Remember, there are still many people in Germany who believe the Holocaust
>never happened and that its fabrication is a giant conspiracy to defame the
>German people. Invented by Americans as well.....

The Holocaust deniers are world wide.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

[Michael Petukhov]

(Krztalizer) wrote in message >...
> >
> >This is the most utterly ****ing stupid piece of complete and utter bull****
> >I have ever seen in my entire life.
>
> Guest, you need to read more of Comrade Mikey's gems - this is not even one of
> his best!! :))
>

No Gordon. This is one of my best.

Michael

> Gordon
> <====(A+C====>
> USN SAR
>
> Donate your memories - write a note on the back and send your old photos to a
> reputable museum, don't take them with you when you're gone.

[Michael Petukhov]

(Krztalizer) wrote in message >...
> >
> >> Do us all a favour Michael and scuttle off to
> >> alt.conspiracy, they go for this stuff over there.
> >
> >There is no point. I prefer to be here, Keith.
> >Although I fully understand your feelings.
> >If there were no 757 crashed in Penatgon
> >while US goverment says there was and Ben-Laden
> >says there was... then what? Then US government
> >and ben-laden play for the same team. Right?
> >So I fully understand you...
> >
> >Michael
>
> This would be humorous if it wasn't such a pathetic attempt for attention. We
> show you photos of the pieces on the ground,

Perhaps you mean those with too small "American Airlines" marks.
All this is discussed here, Gordon in English

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/jpdesm/pentagon/pages-en/wr-redl.html

....
"Facts :

The presence of these wreckage pieces on several pictures authenticate
them.
The radius of the edge of the red letter on the often shown Mark
Faram's picture is two times smaller that the one found in the logos
"American Airlines" painted on the Boeing 757.
The size of the "C" letter on the wrecked piece is around 60% of the
size of the "C" letter on the body of the B 757.
The radius of the edge of the red letter on the picture showing a
group of running men is coherent with the radius of the logo letters
on B 757 N 644 AA.
The witnesses can be divided into two groups : those who perceived the
average dimensions of the plane and have seen a small commuter jet,
and those who perceived the logo and colors, including the "AA" sign
on the tail, the general appearance of the plane, and recognized a B
757 or an Airbus of American Airlines.
Conclusions :
First hypothese : the picture of Mark Faram and the one with the "C"
letter are not faked. In this case :
Somebody painted an "American" logo about two times smaller than a
B757 one's on the body of the plane which dived into the pentagon.
If this plane was much smaller than a B 757, (size of a commuter
plane) it was a trick to make it seen as the flight 77 for somebody
looking at it from far away.
If this plane was an airliner, it would have been painted for the
circumstance, with letters smaller than those used by American
Airlines on a B 757.
All witnesses have seen the same plane, and it is likely that they saw
a plane smaller than a B 757, though it could be similar from sight.
There is an anomaly with the debris shown aside the running men, with
a radius two times larger than on the other pictures.


Second hypothese : the images of Mark Faram and the "C" letter are
faked. In this case :
All the debris could come from a Boeing 757 of American Airlines.
The infographist who massaged Mark Faram's photo and the "C" letter
photo, probably to show that these debris were located on the logo
"American" of the B 757, had no idea of dimensions, perspective, 3D
construction, metal sheet deformations under stress, real light
effects on 3D objects. He is just an ace of Photoshop. Already seen
this conclusion, isn't it ?
Mark Faram, who shot this debris on the Pentagon's lawn and owns the
original of this picture, is either this infographist, either he is
party to this fraud.
....
"

Michael

>legions of people discuss it and
> try to educate your atrophied, tunnel-visioned mind and the end result is that
> you wipe it all away and start over - for no reason other than an intense need
> for attention for little Michael...
>
> Gordon

[sshanks]

Is Michael the new Venik?


"Gord Beaman" > wrote in message
...
> (Dav1936531) wrote:
>
> >>From: (Michael Petukhov)
> >
> >>

[B2431]

>From: (Michael Petukhov)
>Date: 12/26/2003 8:45 AM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>"TJ" > wrote in message
>...
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Excellent post. Michael did you take on board what is being said here? Jeff
>> Rense is bad enough, but Joe Vialls and his websites simply beggars belief.
>
>I do not care about this.
>
>> Michael, I suggest you put "joe vialls" into a search engine. This guy and
>> his twist on everything with an anti-western/US bias is certainly right up
>> your street.
>
>and about this as well.
>
>>You'll probably even make a donation to keep his websites up
>> and running!
>
>No. It is not my business. rather it is yours. As for me I care
>here only if there was 757 crashed into pentagon. And it seems
>there was not.
>
>Michael
>>
>> TJ

Never mind the facts you know what's right?

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

[B2431]

>From: (Michael Petukhov)

>
>Perhaps you mean those with too small "American Airlines" marks.
>All this is discussed here, Gordon in English
>
>http://perso.wanadoo.fr/jpdesm/pentagon/pages-en/wr-redl.html
>
>...

Right idea, wrong "evidence." Those pictures were taken with a telephoto lense
witch foreshortens depth of view. Comparing size of the letters with body parts
and tires only works when they are the same distance from the camera. The
"comparisons" are so bogus they are funny. As for the "rivet" in the picture
that is the biggest "rivet" since the Titanic.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

[Krztalizer]

>Michael did you take on board what is being said here? Jeff
>> Rense is bad enough, but Joe Vialls and his websites simply beggars belief.
>
>I do not care about this.

translation: It doesn't prop up my irrational hatred for America, so I will
yell "LA LA LA" until you all go away.

>>You'll probably even make a donation to keep his websites up
>> and running!
>
>No. It is not my business. rather it is yours.

*Your* business is to look sad and foolish, little man.

> As for me I care
>here only if there was 757 crashed into pentagon. And it seems
>there was not.

It did. And if it happened in front of your very eyes, you'd twist and mangle
it around in your brain until you could make it 'fit' into some other stupid
conspiracy theory. You remind me of the homeless guy in our alley that yells
at the bushes about how he knows they are watching him. In fact, I visualize
that is actually you when I pass him - these posts of yours re-enforce that
mental image.

Gordon

[Krztalizer]

Nothing here that would account for a gigantic thousands-and-thousands-of
particants murder conspiracy. Two people can keep a secret when one is dead -
but in your world, Michael, people in American apparently line up to offer
their services at killing thousands of innocents. Only a product of the Soviet
abomination could routinely see the world in as warped a vision as you!

Yeah, our gov screws up, rather frequently in fact. Doesn't change the fact
that you will clutch any RIDICULOUS straw and fend off all evidence to the
contrary to maintain your grasp on whatever pet theory you choose to latch on
to.

Gordon

[Krztalizer]

>> >This is the most utterly ****ing stupid piece of complete and utter
>bull****
>> >I have ever seen in my entire life.
>>
>> Guest, you need to read more of Comrade Mikey's gems - this is not even one
>of
>> his best!! :))
>>
>
>No Gordon. This is one of my best.

sad.

[Krztalizer]

>
>Is Michael the new Venik?
>

Michael and Venik, the Serbo-Canadian kid, and our Finnish friend all combine
to show us that mental illness knows no borders. Read enough of Mike's posts
and you could write a thesis on paranoia.

Gordon

[Peter Stickney]

In article >,
"Gord Beaman" ) writes:
> (Dav1936531) wrote:
>
>>>From: (Michael Petukhov)
>
>>>
>>>Good place with data and analysis is here:
>>>http://www.thepowerhour.com/pentagon-911.htm
>>>Michael
>>
>>I think John Tarver would be within his rights to have that web page killed.
>>Dave
>
>
> Speaking of which...the dudster is the only one of that team that
> I've seen since that hoohaw...any cruise missiles missing?

Nope. I'm still about, just doing teh Holiday Thing.
I won't sweat Cruise Missiles too much, though. Back when I was
writing the code for the image processing for the DSMAC (Digital Scene
Matching and Area Correlation, pronounced "Dismack") guidance system,
I put myself on its "Do Not Call" list.

--
Pete Stickney
A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many
bad measures. -- Daniel Webster

[fudog50]

Nice way to bring attention to yerself there petey,
watch that clearance,,,good way to lose it!!!

On Fri, 26 Dec 2003 20:58:13 -0500, (Peter
Stickney) wrote:

>In article >,
> "Gord Beaman" ) writes:
>> (Dav1936531) wrote:
>>
>>>>From: (Michael Petukhov)
>
>>>>
>>>>Good place with data and analysis is here:
>>>>http://www.thepowerhour.com/pentagon-911.htm
>>>>Michael
>>>
>>>I think John Tarver would be within his rights to have that web page killed.
>>>Dave
>>
>>
>> Speaking of which...the dudster is the only one of that team that
>> I've seen since that hoohaw...any cruise missiles missing?
>
>Nope. I'm still about, just doing teh Holiday Thing.
>I won't sweat Cruise Missiles too much, though. Back when I was
>writing the code for the image processing for the DSMAC (Digital Scene
>Matching and Area Correlation, pronounced "Dismack") guidance system,
>I put myself on its "Do Not Call" list.

[[email protected]]

(Peter Stickney) wrote:


>>>
>>>I think John Tarver would be within his rights to have that web page killed.
>>>Dave
>>
>>
GB wrote:
>> Speaking of which...the dudster is the only one of that team that
>> I've seen since that hoohaw...any cruise missiles missing?
>
>Nope. I'm still about, just doing teh Holiday Thing.
>I won't sweat Cruise Missiles too much, though. Back when I was
>writing the code for the image processing for the DSMAC (Digital Scene
>Matching and Area Correlation, pronounced "Dismack") guidance system,
>I put myself on its "Do Not Call" list.

Might be smart of John to try getting on there too (or else
leave duds alone... :)
--

-Gord.

[Krztalizer]

>
>You spun it again Michael,,,99.9% of us understood his remarks to mean
>you have "zero,nada,none, as in no credibility, How can you twist
>this???

Michael doesn't let his blind hatred of America ever come between him and his
love of pathetically lost causes. That's why we enjoy his periodic
appearances, like some traveling village idiot, come to spread a little
foolishness. The sad part is his Rube-like insistance that his myopic vision
is clearer than everyone elses.

First, I thought he was confused, now, I think he has some sort of mental
limitation. He could be a career for some young psychoanalyst.

G

[Alan Minyard]

On 28 Dec 2003 06:40:49 GMT, (Krztalizer) wrote:

>>
>>You spun it again Michael,,,99.9% of us understood his remarks to mean
>>you have "zero,nada,none, as in no credibility, How can you twist
>>this???
>
>Michael doesn't let his blind hatred of America ever come between him and his
>love of pathetically lost causes. That's why we enjoy his periodic
>appearances, like some traveling village idiot, come to spread a little
>foolishness. The sad part is his Rube-like insistance that his myopic vision
>is clearer than everyone elses.
>
>First, I thought he was confused, now, I think he has some sort of mental
>limitation. He could be a career for some young psychoanalyst.
>
>G

You left out one other possibility, he could be a lawyer!!!

Al Minyard

[Michael Petukhov]

(Krztalizer) wrote in message >...
> >
> >You spun it again Michael,,,99.9% of us understood his remarks to mean
> >you have "zero,nada,none, as in no credibility, How can you twist
> >this???
>
> Michael doesn't let his blind hatred of America ever come between him and his
> love of pathetically lost causes. That's why we enjoy his periodic
> appearances, like some traveling village idiot, come to spread a little
> foolishness. The sad part is his Rube-like insistance that his myopic vision
> is clearer than everyone elses.

Well unlike your comment on the factual materials cited this one is
at least selconsistent theory. However the question remains was it
you who said one day I am brilliant?

>
> First, I thought he was confused, now, I think he has some sort of mental
> limitation. He could be a career for some young psychoanalyst.

Have noting against if he/she (preferably she) is indeed young, energetic
and successful, rather than old and stuipid...

Michael
>
> G

[Krztalizer]

Michael askes:

> However the question remains was it
>you who said one day I am brilliant?

Depending on the circumstances - it may have been irony or I was commenting on
your idiot savant status. With these latest posts, its too sad to even make
jokes. You _believe_ *anything*, as long as it makes the US look bad. With a
world-view like that, what's the point of debate? You just plain look stupid,
Michael. Engaging in discourse with you only takes me away from more
intelligent conversations with other people, with vastly more open minds than
yours.

>He could be a career for some young psychoanalyst.
>
>Have noting against if he/she (preferably she) is indeed young, energetic
>and successful, rather than old and stuipid...

Well, admitting you need help is a vital first step, Michael. This is a good
start, but it won't help unless you take it seriously.

[Michael Petukhov]

(Krztalizer) wrote in message >...
> Michael askes:
>
> > However the question remains was it
> >you who said one day I am brilliant?
>
> Depending on the circumstances - it may have been irony or I was commenting on
> your idiot savant status. With these latest posts, its too sad to even make
> jokes. You _believe_ *anything*, as long as it makes the US look bad.

why not? particularly if US provides us one opportunity after another,

> With a
> world-view like that, what's the point of debate?

for your? well I can tell you what is your point.
you try to protect your ****ty criminal government from legitimate
and based on reliable data questions. You obviousely decided
that if you deny the clear well documented evidences and start personal
attack against those who may have a different opinions
on that matters this may help your country. Naive!
Exactly this is very damaging and will destroy it in
the most effective way. Denying the true is very
unprofitable.

> You just plain look stupid,
> Michael.

Unlikely.

>Engaging in discourse with you only takes me away from more
> intelligent conversations with other people, with vastly more open minds than
> yours.

If so stop it. Just for test you. Can you afford not to respond
to this post, gordon?

>
> >He could be a career for some young psychoanalyst.
> >
> >Have noting against if he/she (preferably she) is indeed young, energetic
> >and successful, rather than old and stuipid...
>
> Well, admitting you need help is a vital first step, Michael. This is a good
> start, but it won't help unless you take it seriously.

words empty words as usual for you. Even you gordon do not
believe that. The question is what is the point for me to
talk with you?

Michael

[BUFDRVR]

>Does anyone have a clue how old Michael is?
>

14 or 15 is my guess. Although he could be 45 with a 14 or 15 year old mental
capacity and maturity?


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"