Piston single research

[B A R R Y[_2_]]

Folks,

I'm starting to research my next plane.

Is anyone aware of a book that lists, or better yet, groups by
similarities, piston single aircraft for performance and specification
research?

Any suggestions are welcome. A website would be OK, too, but I'd
actually prefer printed material.

Thanks!

[Kingfish]

On Jan 23, 12:04*pm, B A R R Y > wrote:
> Folks,
>
> I'm starting to research my next plane.
>
> Is anyone aware of a book that lists, or better yet, groups by
> similarities, piston single aircraft for performance and specification
> research?
>
> Any suggestions are welcome. *A website would be OK, too, but I'd
> actually prefer printed material.
>
> Thanks!

Try this: http://www.ipilot.com/aircraft

What did you have in mind? You fly out of HFD right?

[Dazzz]

You could also try one of these books ...

http://www.transair.co.uk/aviation_training_books.asp?SID=1&Category_ID=469

I've got the second one and it does group them a little. Not sure it
will have the detail you may be after.

Cheers ... Dazzz

[Gig 601XL Builder[_2_]]

B A R R Y wrote:
> Folks,
>
> I'm starting to research my next plane.
>
> Is anyone aware of a book that lists, or better yet, groups by
> similarities, piston single aircraft for performance and specification
> research?
>
> Any suggestions are welcome. A website would be OK, too, but I'd
> actually prefer printed material.
>
> Thanks!


Note a book but...

http://www.risingup.com/planespecs/

[Gig 601XL Builder[_2_]]

Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
> B A R R Y wrote:
>> Folks,
>>
>> I'm starting to research my next plane.
>>
>> Is anyone aware of a book that lists, or better yet, groups by
>> similarities, piston single aircraft for performance and specification
>> research?
>>
>> Any suggestions are welcome. A website would be OK, too, but I'd
>> actually prefer printed material.
>>
>> Thanks!
>
>
> Note a book but...
>
> http://www.risingup.com/planespecs/

Oh and I forgot to mention it has this page.
http://www.risingup.com/planespecs/advsearch.shtml

where you can enter the specs you are looking for and it will give you a
list of matching planes.

[[email protected]]

In rec.aviation.owning B A R R Y > wrote:
> Folks,

> I'm starting to research my next plane.

> Is anyone aware of a book that lists, or better yet, groups by
> similarities, piston single aircraft for performance and specification
> research?

> Any suggestions are welcome. A website would be OK, too, but I'd
> actually prefer printed material.

I would think things are much too dynamic for a printed book to be
of any value.

http://www.pilotfriend.com/aircraft%20performance/acft_perf.htm

http://www.planeandpilotmag.com/aircraft/specifications.html

The AOPA site has numerous reviews.

www.avaiationconsumer has lots of reviews, but they charge for them.

The Used Aircraft Guide CD from Aviation Consumer is pretty good.

Since I now have a plane, I'll give you my copy if you e-mail me
an address to mail it to.


--
Jim Pennino

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[[email protected]]

In rec.aviation.owning Gig 601XL Builder > wrote:
> Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
> > B A R R Y wrote:
> >> Folks,
> >>
> >> I'm starting to research my next plane.
> >>
> >> Is anyone aware of a book that lists, or better yet, groups by
> >> similarities, piston single aircraft for performance and specification
> >> research?
> >>
> >> Any suggestions are welcome. A website would be OK, too, but I'd
> >> actually prefer printed material.
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >
> >
> > Note a book but...
> >
> > http://www.risingup.com/planespecs/

> Oh and I forgot to mention it has this page.
> http://www.risingup.com/planespecs/advsearch.shtml

> where you can enter the specs you are looking for and it will give you a
> list of matching planes.

The only problem with that one is that you can't enter the number of
seats or payload, but other than that it is pretty good.


--
Jim Pennino

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[B A R R Y[_2_]]

Kingfish wrote:
>
>
> Try this: http://www.ipilot.com/aircraft
>

Will do!


> What did you have in mind? You fly out of HFD right?

That was temporary. Now we're back at Windham (IJD).

We're (two of us) looking at the 150+ knot range, 4-5 seats, IFR &
autopilot, ~$100-125k. As we're very early in the process, I'm still
looking into speed / payload / fuel burn trade-offs, cabin size, gear
options.

We'd rather not get smaller up front than the Sundowner, as I'm 6'1"
225, and my co-owner is 6'6", 185. We'd like to go faster and higher
(who doesn't? <G>) and possibly gain some load.

I'm looking for a resource to fit aircraft to the mission, where I can
start getting price and insurance ideas from Trade-a-Plane, etc...

[B A R R Y[_2_]]

Great suggestions, so far.


Thanks!

[xyzzy]

On Jan 23, 1:36 pm, Gig 601XL Builder >
wrote:
> Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
> > B A R R Y wrote:
> >> Folks,
>
> >> I'm starting to research my next plane.
>
> >> Is anyone aware of a book that lists, or better yet, groups by
> >> similarities, piston single aircraft for performance and specification
> >> research?
>
> >> Any suggestions are welcome. A website would be OK, too, but I'd
> >> actually prefer printed material.
>
> >> Thanks!
>
> > Note a book but...
>
> >http://www.risingup.com/planespecs/
>
> Oh and I forgot to mention it has this page.http://www.risingup.com/planespecs/advsearch.shtml
>
> where you can enter the specs you are looking for and it will give you a
> list of matching planes.

It would be a lot more useful if you could say for example twin or
not, retractable gear or not, tailwheel or not. 200+ results with a
bunch of twins isn't that useful to me...

[Gig 601XL Builder[_2_]]

xyzzy wrote:
> On Jan 23, 1:36 pm, Gig 601XL Builder >
> wrote:
>> Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
>>> B A R R Y wrote:
>>>> Folks,
>>>> I'm starting to research my next plane.
>>>> Is anyone aware of a book that lists, or better yet, groups by
>>>> similarities, piston single aircraft for performance and specification
>>>> research?
>>>> Any suggestions are welcome. A website would be OK, too, but I'd
>>>> actually prefer printed material.
>>>> Thanks!
>>> Note a book but...
>>> http://www.risingup.com/planespecs/
>> Oh and I forgot to mention it has this page.http://www.risingup.com/planespecs/advsearch.shtml
>>
>> where you can enter the specs you are looking for and it will give you a
>> list of matching planes.
>
> It would be a lot more useful if you could say for example twin or
> not, retractable gear or not, tailwheel or not. 200+ results with a
> bunch of twins isn't that useful to me...


Yes it would be nice as would being able to set the number of seats. But
for the cost it is the best I've been able to find.

[Dan Luke[_2_]]

"B A R R Y" wrote:

>
> We're (two of us) looking at the 150+ knot range, 4-5 seats, IFR &
> autopilot, ~$100-125k. As we're very early in the process, I'm still
> looking into speed / payload / fuel burn trade-offs, cabin size, gear
> options.
>

That's a Mooney you're describing:

http://tinyurl.com/3d62fc


....or maybe a Commander:

http://tinyurl.com/34rn9h


....or maybe a 182RG:

http://tinyurl.com/2qn8xo

--
Dan
T-182T at BFM

[Mike Isaksen]

"Dan Luke" wrote ...
> "B A R R Y" wrote:
>> We're (two of us) looking at the 150+ knot range, 4-5 seats, IFR &
>> autopilot, ~$100-125k. As we're very early in the process, I'm still
>> looking into speed / payload / fuel burn trade-offs, cabin size, gear
>> options.
>
> That's a Mooney you're describing:
>
> ...or maybe a Commander:
>
> ...or maybe a 182RG:

And if the 5th seat is critical, look at a Piper Lance.

[Douglas Paterson]

"Dan Luke" > wrote in message
...
>
> "B A R R Y" wrote:
>
>> We're (two of us) looking at the 150+ knot range, 4-5 seats, IFR &
>> autopilot, ~$100-125k. As we're very early in the process, I'm still
>> looking into speed / payload / fuel burn trade-offs, cabin size, gear
>> options.
>>
>
> That's a Mooney you're describing:
>
> ...or maybe a Commander:
>
> ...or maybe a 182RG:

I fell in love w/ and bought a Trinidad last year; fits all the mission
descriptors you give. The TB-20 (or 21, if you want turbo for a bit more
$$) will fit all your parameters. I also agree w/ Dan's listings, except
for the Mooney (since you also mention you want to put large folks in the
plane)--the 50" cabin width of the TBs was one of the biggest selling points
for me.

http://tinyurl.com/yvy5a3

The only other plane that made my short list was the Comanche (cabin width &
newer airframes ultimately swayed me to the TB). You'll have to try hard to
spend over $100K these days, though (I removed the floor from this search).

http://tinyurl.com/2c7rzh

Good luck!
--
Doug
"Where am I to go/Now that I've gone too far?" -- Golden Earring, "Twilight
Zone"
(my email is spam-proofed; read the address and make the appropriate change
to contact me)

[Aluckyguess]

"B A R R Y" > wrote in message
.. .
> Kingfish wrote:
>>
>>
>> Try this: http://www.ipilot.com/aircraft
>>
>
> Will do!
>
>
>> What did you have in mind? You fly out of HFD right?
>
> That was temporary. Now we're back at Windham (IJD).
>
> We're (two of us) looking at the 150+ knot range, 4-5 seats, IFR &
> autopilot, ~$100-125k. As we're very early in the process, I'm still
> looking into speed / payload / fuel burn trade-offs, cabin size, gear
> options.
>
> We'd rather not get smaller up front than the Sundowner, as I'm 6'1" 225,
> and my co-owner is 6'6", 185. We'd like to go faster and higher (who
> doesn't? <G>) and possibly gain some load.
>
> I'm looking for a resource to fit aircraft to the mission, where I can
> start getting price and insurance ideas from Trade-a-Plane, etc...

A36 its a good step up from the Sundowner.

[Newps]

May as well stay in the family and get a Bonanza. You can get a Bo that
meets all your needs with the S35 and newer. The S35's will run less
than $100K. I have the S35 and you will get 175 kts cruise on 14 gph.
Just farting around the local area? Then 8 gph for 130 kts. You want
150 knots then all you'll need is 10 gph. No aircraft you'll look at
short of the new glass planes like Cirrus and Lancair are as efficient,
but with those you'll get murdered with insurance. The S35 and newer
are 6 seaters but teriffic as four seaters. I have 1260 lbs useful with
four seats in. The main reason I got it was the cabin is huge compared
to the 182 I had. I wanted space, especially for camping. With just
two seats in I don't really need to pack, just pitch the crap in there
and go. I had a 182 for 7 years prior to getting the Bo 2 1/2 years
ago. Here's my costs. Annuals. The 182 was always around $1000 if
nothing big was wrong. The Bo is about $1500-1800. Insurance: The 182
settled right in at $1000 a year for a $70K hull. The Bo is $2300 and
dropping for a $90K hull. I expect it to be in the mid to high teens
after another year or two. Where I save money is gas. Because the 182
would only indicate 135-140 mph at top of the green I always ran there
burning 12.5 gph. At the same speed the Bo burns 7 gph. In the local
area I normally run around at 45% power burning 8 gph. On a trip from
here in Montana to the Twin Cities I shave an hour off the trip and burn
5 less gallons then the 182. I never would have considered a Mooney.
Main reason is they are pavement only planes. I got to be able to go
off road. The Bo has more prop clearance than my 182 had and I had an
oversize nosewheel. Also I did not like the Mooney interior. Way too
small and I really didn't like sitting with my legs straight out. Plus
the windows are like pillbox slits compared to the Bo.


B A R R Y wrote:
> Kingfish wrote:
>>
>>
>> Try this: http://www.ipilot.com/aircraft
>>
>
> Will do!
>
>
>> What did you have in mind? You fly out of HFD right?
>
> That was temporary. Now we're back at Windham (IJD).
>
> We're (two of us) looking at the 150+ knot range, 4-5 seats, IFR &
> autopilot, ~$100-125k. As we're very early in the process, I'm still
> looking into speed / payload / fuel burn trade-offs, cabin size, gear
> options.
>
> We'd rather not get smaller up front than the Sundowner, as I'm 6'1"
> 225, and my co-owner is 6'6", 185. We'd like to go faster and higher
> (who doesn't? <G>) and possibly gain some load.
>
> I'm looking for a resource to fit aircraft to the mission, where I can
> start getting price and insurance ideas from Trade-a-Plane, etc...

[Thomas Borchert]

B,

> Is anyone aware of a book that lists, or better yet, groups by
> similarities, piston single aircraft for performance and specification
> research?
>

Aviation Consumer's Used Aircraft Guide.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[Thomas Borchert]

B,

> We're (two of us) looking at the 150+ knot range, 4-5 seats, IFR &
> autopilot, ~$100-125k.
>

That's easy: Socata TB-20 Trinidad. See www.socata.org both for a great
user community and some offers.

You won't find anything as spacious and modern (recent design, not too
old airframe) anywhere else in that price range. With a bench seat in
the back, it will seat five, although the usual weight limitations
apply. We're talking about a design from the late 70s, early 80s, and
an aircraft from the late 80s, early 90s. And it shows.

If you don't care about age, a Bo comes to mind. A Rockwell 114 might
be an option, too.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[dlevy]

What is the S35 model? What years were they produced?

Thanks.

"Newps" > wrote in message
. ..
> May as well stay in the family and get a Bonanza. You can get a Bo that
> meets all your needs with the S35 and newer. The S35's will run less than
> $100K. I have the S35 and you will get 175 kts cruise on 14 gph. Just
> farting around the local area? Then 8 gph for 130 kts. You want 150
> knots then all you'll need is 10 gph. No aircraft you'll look at short of
> the new glass planes like Cirrus and Lancair are as efficient, but with
> those you'll get murdered with insurance. The S35 and newer are 6 seaters
> but teriffic as four seaters. I have 1260 lbs useful with four seats in.
> The main reason I got it was the cabin is huge compared to the 182 I had.
> I wanted space, especially for camping. With just two seats in I don't
> really need to pack, just pitch the crap in there and go. I had a 182
> for 7 years prior to getting the Bo 2 1/2 years ago. Here's my costs.
> Annuals. The 182 was always around $1000 if nothing big was wrong. The
> Bo is about $1500-1800. Insurance: The 182 settled right in at $1000 a
> year for a $70K hull. The Bo is $2300 and dropping for a $90K hull. I
> expect it to be in the mid to high teens after another year or two. Where
> I save money is gas. Because the 182 would only indicate 135-140 mph at
> top of the green I always ran there burning 12.5 gph. At the same speed
> the Bo burns 7 gph. In the local area I normally run around at 45% power
> burning 8 gph. On a trip from here in Montana to the Twin Cities I shave
> an hour off the trip and burn 5 less gallons then the 182. I never would
> have considered a Mooney. Main reason is they are pavement only planes. I
> got to be able to go off road. The Bo has more prop clearance than my 182
> had and I had an oversize nosewheel. Also I did not like the Mooney
> interior. Way too small and I really didn't like sitting with my legs
> straight out. Plus the windows are like pillbox slits compared to the Bo.
>
>
> B A R R Y wrote:
>> Kingfish wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Try this: http://www.ipilot.com/aircraft
>>>
>>
>> Will do!
>>
>>
>>> What did you have in mind? You fly out of HFD right?
>>
>> That was temporary. Now we're back at Windham (IJD).
>>
>> We're (two of us) looking at the 150+ knot range, 4-5 seats, IFR &
>> autopilot, ~$100-125k. As we're very early in the process, I'm still
>> looking into speed / payload / fuel burn trade-offs, cabin size, gear
>> options.
>>
>> We'd rather not get smaller up front than the Sundowner, as I'm 6'1" 225,
>> and my co-owner is 6'6", 185. We'd like to go faster and higher (who
>> doesn't? <G>) and possibly gain some load.
>>
>> I'm looking for a resource to fit aircraft to the mission, where I can
>> start getting price and insurance ideas from Trade-a-Plane, etc...

[Allen[_1_]]

"dlevy" > wrote in message
.. .
> What is the S35 model? What years were they produced?
>
> Thanks.
>

1964 and 1965

--

*H. Allen Smith*
WACO - We are all here, because we are not all there.

[Allen[_1_]]

"Allen" > wrote in message
. ..
>
>
> "dlevy" > wrote in message
> .. .
>> What is the S35 model? What years were they produced?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>
> 1964 and 1965 (oops pulled the trigger too quick) V-tail. I drooled over
> one for a couple years before buying a Beech Travel Air D95A.
>
> --
>
> *H. Allen Smith*
> WACO - We are all here, because we are not all there.
>

[Mike Isaksen]

"Thomas Borchert" wrote
> That's easy: Socata TB-20 Trinidad. See www.socata.org both for a great
> user community and some offers.

Love the airplane, but hate the headroom.

[Thomas Borchert]

Mike,

> Love the airplane, but hate the headroom.
>

Never been an issue for me, but that obviously depends a lot on body
size and seating posture. Also, on the GT model, headroom is increased.

One obviously needs to try before investing 100k, but an airframe 25
years younger than the Bo also discussed in the thread would mean a lot
to me. Two doors and a more modern design, too.


--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[B A R R Y[_2_]]

I'm just sitting back and noting the suggestions...

I appreciate the excellent dialogue! You folks have provided a
mountain of excellent leads. Thanks!

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[Jay Honeck[_2_]]

>> Note a book but...
>>
>> http://www.risingup.com/planespecs/

Just remember (as has been noted here on past occasions) that the data in
this webpage is often laughably inaccurate.

The page on the Pathfinder, for example, lists a "62 gallon" fuel capacity.
The correct answer is either 50 (without tip tanks; although I don't believe
any were built *without* tip tanks, but I could be wrong) or 84 gallons with
tip tanks.

When they get basic stuff like that wrong, I tend to lose faith in the rest
of the data.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Ross]

Jay Honeck wrote:
>>> Note a book but...
>>>
>>> http://www.risingup.com/planespecs/
>
>
> Just remember (as has been noted here on past occasions) that the data
> in this webpage is often laughably inaccurate.
>
> The page on the Pathfinder, for example, lists a "62 gallon" fuel
> capacity. The correct answer is either 50 (without tip tanks; although I
> don't believe any were built *without* tip tanks, but I could be wrong)
> or 84 gallons with tip tanks.
>
> When they get basic stuff like that wrong, I tend to lose faith in the
> rest of the data.

You are correct. I just looked at my aircraft and it lists 42 gal. I
believe it is 39 with 1.5 unusable each wing.

--

Regards, Ross
C-172F 180HP
KSWI