High time Bo A36 anyone?

[Matt Whiting]

I'm wondering if anyone here owns a Bonanza A36 (or any Bo with a
similar wing structure) with high airframe time (>10,000 hours)?

I ask because my local A&P who rebuilds a lot of wrecked airplanes knows
of an A36 that had a nose gear collapse and has been collecting dust in
a hangar for the last several years. I don't have all of the details,
but I understand it is a mid-80s airframe with about 12,000 hours that
was used for some sort of freight delivery. It is missing the engine
and prop and obviously needs the nose and nose gear rebuilt, but he does
that for a living so that isn't a concern.

He thinks he can repair the airframe, replace the engine (he apparently
has the appropriate core on hand to rebuild) and prop, paint it and
still have less than about $100K in it. I'm considering this, but am
quite leery of a Bo wing with that many hours. I know of a lot of
strut-braced Cessna's with more hours than that and am not aware of any
structural issues. However, I've read about the issues over the years
with cracks in the spars of several high time cantilever wing singles
such as the Cherokee, the T-34, etc.

So, I'd appreciate any information available on the durability of the
A36 airframe as it accumulates hours in excess of 10,000. I searched on
Trade-a-Plane and found nothing for sale with more than about 7,000 hours.

Matt

[Newps]

Matt,
Go here:

http://lists.kjsl.com/pipermail/beech-owners/2008-February/date.html

I posted your question there and you can follow along as the people who
would know about these things chime in. Look for the header "High Time
A36". All 33, 35, 36 and A36 Bo's have the same wing. The B36 is
slightly different. That forum is also a great place for any other Bo
questions you may have.




Matt Whiting wrote:
>
> I'm wondering if anyone here owns a Bonanza A36 (or any Bo with a
> similar wing structure) with high airframe time (>10,000 hours)?
>
> I ask because my local A&P who rebuilds a lot of wrecked airplanes knows
> of an A36 that had a nose gear collapse and has been collecting dust in
> a hangar for the last several years. I don't have all of the details,
> but I understand it is a mid-80s airframe with about 12,000 hours that
> was used for some sort of freight delivery. It is missing the engine
> and prop and obviously needs the nose and nose gear rebuilt, but he does
> that for a living so that isn't a concern.
>
> He thinks he can repair the airframe, replace the engine (he apparently
> has the appropriate core on hand to rebuild) and prop, paint it and
> still have less than about $100K in it. I'm considering this, but am
> quite leery of a Bo wing with that many hours. I know of a lot of
> strut-braced Cessna's with more hours than that and am not aware of any
> structural issues. However, I've read about the issues over the years
> with cracks in the spars of several high time cantilever wing singles
> such as the Cherokee, the T-34, etc.
>
> So, I'd appreciate any information available on the durability of the
> A36 airframe as it accumulates hours in excess of 10,000. I searched on
> Trade-a-Plane and found nothing for sale with more than about 7,000 hours.
>
> Matt

[Matt Whiting]

Newps wrote:
> Matt,
> Go here:
>
> http://lists.kjsl.com/pipermail/beech-owners/2008-February/date.html
>
> I posted your question there and you can follow along as the people who
> would know about these things chime in. Look for the header "High Time
> A36". All 33, 35, 36 and A36 Bo's have the same wing. The B36 is
> slightly different. That forum is also a great place for any other Bo
> questions you may have.

Mucho gracias.

Matt

[Robert M. Gary]

On Feb 6, 8:31*pm, Newps > wrote:
> Matt,
> Go here:
>
> http://lists.kjsl.com/pipermail/beech-owners/2008-February/date.html
>
> I posted your question there and you can follow along as the people who
> would know about these things chime in. *Look for the header "High Time
> A36". *All 33, 35, 36 and A36 Bo's have the same wing. *The B36 is
> slightly different. *That forum is also a great place for any other Bo
> questions you may have.
>
>
>
> Matt Whiting wrote:
>
> > I'm wondering if anyone here owns a Bonanza A36 (or any Bo with a
> > similar wing structure) with high airframe time (>10,000 hours)?
>
> > I ask because my local A&P who rebuilds a lot of wrecked airplanes knows
> > of an A36 that had a nose gear collapse and has been collecting dust in
> > a hangar for the last several years. *I don't have all of the details,
> > but I understand it is a mid-80s airframe with about 12,000 hours that
> > was used for some sort of freight delivery. *It is missing the engine
> > and prop and obviously needs the nose and nose gear rebuilt, but he does
> > that for a living so that isn't a concern.
>
> > He thinks he can repair the airframe, replace the engine (he apparently
> > has the appropriate core on hand to rebuild) and prop, paint it and
> > still have less than about $100K in it. *I'm considering this, but am
> > quite leery of a Bo wing with that many hours. *I know of a lot of
> > strut-braced Cessna's with more hours than that and am not aware of any
> > structural issues. *However, I've read about the issues over the years
> > with cracks in the spars of several high time cantilever wing singles
> > such as the Cherokee, the T-34, etc.
>
> > So, I'd appreciate any information available on the durability of the
> > A36 airframe as it accumulates hours in excess of 10,000. *I searched on
> > Trade-a-Plane and found nothing for sale with more than about 7,000 hours.
>
> > Matt- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Man, that hurts my eyes. Don't you guys have a forum like we have in
the Mooney community. Just grab a copy of FUDforum or phpBB, etc. You
can still fork it to an email list for the old timers.

-Robert

[Newps]

Robert M. Gary wrote:

> Man, that hurts my eyes. Don't you guys have a forum like we have in
> the Mooney community. Just grab a copy of FUDforum or phpBB, etc. You
> can still fork it to an email list for the old timers.
>
> -Robert


It's an old guy forum. 99% of those guys get those messages by email,
that's how it was designed. Whenever the subject comes up I always
suggest that they convert but they're old and crotchety. I can't
imagine getting 4000 plus emails a month.
We do have other forums that are setup using standard forum software.
This email list has the best info however.

[Frank Stutzman[_2_]]

Newps > wrote:
>
>
> Robert M. Gary wrote:
>
>> Man, that hurts my eyes. Don't you guys have a forum like we have in
>> the Mooney community. Just grab a copy of FUDforum or phpBB, etc. You
>> can still fork it to an email list for the old timers.
>>
>> -Robert
>
>
> It's an old guy forum. 99% of those guys get those messages by email,
> that's how it was designed. Whenever the subject comes up I always
> suggest that they convert but they're old and crotchety. I can't
> imagine getting 4000 plus emails a month.

Hey! 46 isn't old! Maybe I do fit the crotchety description, though, as I
do like the e-mail format. I find it much easier to skip through things
when its all text and not cluttered up with html (I use a plain text email
client).

Really, if you can't stand the volume, stay out of the kitchen (er, or
something like that).

Seriously there is a lot of stuff there and its stays fairly well on topic.
Its a real pain if you aren't good and friendly with all the features
of your mail software.

And what you doing, Scott, throwing more Mooney fresh meat to the wolfs?

--
Frank Stutzman
Bonanza N494B "Hula Girl"
Boise, ID

[Denny]

Depends on how the 10K hours were made...
Part 135 hauling air taxi passengers to the Mustang Ranch, Corporate
hauler, scenic flights over Catalina Island,etc... Then no problemo,
go for it...
Hauling bank checks at night across the Rocky Mountains, t'storms and
turbulence be damned? Not my idea of a good airframe to put money
in...

denny

[Newps]

Frank Stutzman wrote:

>
> And what you doing, Scott, throwing more Mooney fresh meat to the wolfs?



Somebody has to educate these people on what a tractor they're flying.

[Robert M. Gary]

On Feb 7, 8:29*pm, Frank Stutzman > wrote:
> Newps > wrote:
>
> > Robert M. Gary wrote:
>
> >> Man, that hurts my eyes. Don't you guys have a forum like we have in
> >> the Mooney community. Just grab a copy of FUDforum or phpBB, etc. You
> >> can still fork it to an email list for the old timers.
>
> >> -Robert
>
> > It's an old guy forum. *99% of those guys get those messages by email,
> > that's how it was designed. *Whenever the subject comes up I always
> > suggest that they convert but they're old and crotchety. *I can't
> > imagine getting 4000 plus emails a month.
>
> Hey! *46 isn't old! *Maybe I do fit the crotchety description, though, as I
> do like the e-mail format. *I find it much easier to skip through things
> when its all text and not cluttered up with html (I use a plain text email
> client).

That's what forums do. They organize things into topic and make it
easy for you to follow or ignore certain topics. When you are
following a topic it allows you to see updates. Plus its a great
format for archival and search. The Mooney list used to have an
archive just like what Newps posted. Unless you know when something
was posted you'll never find it. The forum solves that.

-Robert

[Newps]

Robert M. Gary wrote:

>
> That's what forums do. They organize things into topic and make it
> easy for you to follow or ignore certain topics. When you are
> following a topic it allows you to see updates. Plus its a great
> format for archival and search. The Mooney list used to have an
> archive just like what Newps posted. Unless you know when something
> was posted you'll never find it. The forum solves that.
>
> -Robert
>


There is a search function available for the list. What most guys seem
to do is save posts that have value to them in a separate folder. For
example all the 520 and 550 Bo's have gear driven alternators and
getting that gear overhauled is a popular topic. One only needs to save
any post with the names and phone numbers of reputable shops that do the
overhauls. Failing that I can simply send an email to the group from my
phone anywhere I have a signal and get an answer in less than 15
minutes. Having said all that I would still rather have it in a forum
format.