An interesting eBay motors auction

[Mary Shafer]

For those of you who got money for Christmas, here's something to
consider. I'd consider it myself, but it's a C and I want an E.

<http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2451179065&category=26428>

You guys did see the aircraft carrier auction, didn't you?

Mary

--
Mary Shafer Retired aerospace research engineer

[BOB URZ]

Mary Shafer wrote:

> For those of you who got money for Christmas, here's something to
> consider. I'd consider it myself, but it's a C and I want an E.
>
> <http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2451179065&category=26428>
>
> You guys did see the aircraft carrier auction, didn't you?
>
> Mary
>
> --
> Mary Shafer Retired aerospace research engineer
>

Interesting. But, i thought there was some law preventing the sale of US
jet fighter aircraft to private parties? Or is the law a urban legend?
I wonder if it has a DVD player in the second seat........


BOB



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[Brian Colwell]

"Mary Shafer" > wrote in message
...
> For those of you who got money for Christmas, here's something to
> consider. I'd consider it myself, but it's a C and I want an E.
>
>
<http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2451179065&ca
tegory=26428>
>
> You guys did see the aircraft carrier auction, didn't you?
>
> Mary
>
> --
> Mary Shafer Retired aerospace research engineer
>

Boy.... That sure would be a topic of conversation, parked in the driveway
!!! :-))

BMC

[Michael Williamson]

Brian Colwell wrote:
> "Mary Shafer" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>For those of you who got money for Christmas, here's something to
>>consider. I'd consider it myself, but it's a C and I want an E.
>>
>>
>
> <http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2451179065&ca
> tegory=26428>
>
>>You guys did see the aircraft carrier auction, didn't you?
>>
>>Mary
>>
>>--
>>Mary Shafer Retired aerospace research engineer

>
>
> Boy.... That sure would be a topic of conversation, parked in the driveway
> !!! :-))
>
> BMC
>
>

The local homeowners' association, or the zoning folks, would likely
have a fit- just no sense of humor...

Mike

[John A. Weeks III]

In article >, BOB URZ
> wrote:

> Interesting. But, i thought there was some law preventing the sale of US
> jet fighter aircraft to private parties? Or is the law a urban legend?
> I wonder if it has a DVD player in the second seat........

There are munitions laws that cover the sale of weapons, however,
many of these are relatively new. The F-4 is an old aircraft, and
it may have been sold privately prior to those laws going into
effect. Since then, combat aircraft that have been placed into
private hands have been de-mil'ed, which usually means that the
main spar has been cut, making future flight impossible. Note
that the F-4 in the auction is static-only, so perhaps it has
had the spar cut. There are other wasy for former military planes
to end up in private hands. One way is to purchase from a foriegn
country. A second way is to recover and restore a crash. A third
way is to build a plane from spare parts and training assemblies.
A forth way is to make a deal with one of the military museums to
trade for something that they want.

-john-

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[Mark and Kim Smith]

And he has two to choose from!! Start your own air force!

Mary Shafer wrote:

>For those of you who got money for Christmas, here's something to
>consider. I'd consider it myself, but it's a C and I want an E.
>
><http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2451179065&category=26428>
>
>You guys did see the aircraft carrier auction, didn't you?
>
>Mary
>
>
>

[B2431]

>From: BOB URZ
>
>
>Mary Shafer wrote:
>
>> For those of you who got money for Christmas, here's something to
>> consider. I'd consider it myself, but it's a C and I want an E.
>>
>>
><http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2451179065
&category=26428>
>>
>> You guys did see the aircraft carrier auction, didn't you?
>>
>> Mary
>>
>> --
>> Mary Shafer Retired aerospace research engineer
>>
>
>Interesting. But, i thought there was some law preventing the sale of US
>jet fighter aircraft to private parties? Or is the law a urban legend?
>I wonder if it has a DVD player in the second seat........
>
>
>BOB
>

Demilled aircraft are legal for sale. The F-4C in question has it's spars cut
which demilled it. I am sure an enterprising individual could make it flyable
if he realy wanted to.

I still want an F-105.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

[Mary Shafer]

On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 10:20:24 -0600, BOB URZ
> wrote:

>
>
> Mary Shafer wrote:
>
> > For those of you who got money for Christmas, here's something to
> > consider. I'd consider it myself, but it's a C and I want an E.
> >
> > <http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2451179065&category=26428>
>
> Interesting. But, i thought there was some law preventing the sale of US
> jet fighter aircraft to private parties? Or is the law a urban legend?
> I wonder if it has a DVD player in the second seat........

The spars have been cut, so the airplane is physically incapable of
being flown without falling apart. This is called "demilitarization".
I'm pretty sure the avionics and weapons system have also been
removed. I know the engines have been.

Mary

--
Mary Shafer Retired aerospace research engineer

[BOB URZ]

Mary Shafer wrote:

> On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 10:20:24 -0600, BOB URZ
> > wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Mary Shafer wrote:
> >
> > > For those of you who got money for Christmas, here's something to
> > > consider. I'd consider it myself, but it's a C and I want an E.
> > >
> > > <http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2451179065&category=26428>
> >
> > Interesting. But, i thought there was some law preventing the sale of US
> > jet fighter aircraft to private parties? Or is the law a urban legend?
> > I wonder if it has a DVD player in the second seat........
>
> The spars have been cut, so the airplane is physically incapable of
> being flown without falling apart. This is called "demilitarization".
> I'm pretty sure the avionics and weapons system have also been
> removed. I know the engines have been.
>
> Mary
>
> --
> Mary Shafer Retired aerospace research engineer
>

Even if it has been demilled, I thought when the AF got rid of planes that
it required them to be totally cut up for scrap. And how would it have escaped
being a QF-4 drone?

Bob



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[B2431]

>From: BOB URZ
>Date: 1/1/2004 6:23 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>
>
>Mary Shafer wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 10:20:24 -0600, BOB URZ
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > Mary Shafer wrote:
>> >
>> > > For those of you who got money for Christmas, here's something to
>> > > consider. I'd consider it myself, but it's a C and I want an E.
>> > >
>> > >
><http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2451179065
&category=26428>
>> >
>> > Interesting. But, i thought there was some law preventing the sale of US
>> > jet fighter aircraft to private parties? Or is the law a urban legend?
>> > I wonder if it has a DVD player in the second seat........
>>
>> The spars have been cut, so the airplane is physically incapable of
>> being flown without falling apart. This is called "demilitarization".
>> I'm pretty sure the avionics and weapons system have also been
>> removed. I know the engines have been.
>>
>> Mary
>>
>> --
>> Mary Shafer Retired aerospace research engineer
>>
>
>Even if it has been demilled, I thought when the AF got rid of planes that
>it required them to be totally cut up for scrap. And how would it have
>escaped
>being a QF-4 drone?
>
>Bob
>

They only use them as drones until they either run out of spare parts or it
becomes to expensive to operate. The ones not used are cannibalized.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[Peter Stickney]

In article >,
Michael Williamson > writes:
> Brian Colwell wrote:
>> "Mary Shafer" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>>For those of you who got money for Christmas, here's something to
>>>consider. I'd consider it myself, but it's a C and I want an E.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> <http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2451179065&ca
>> tegory=26428>
>>
>>>You guys did see the aircraft carrier auction, didn't you?
>>>
>>>Mary
>>>
>>>--
>>>Mary Shafer Retired aerospace research engineer

>>
>>
>> Boy.... That sure would be a topic of conversation, parked in the driveway
>> !!! :-))
>
> The local homeowners' association, or the zoning folks, would likely
> have a fit- just no sense of humor...

That all depends on where you are. Nobody's ever complained about the
family's tanks, or the guy up the road from my folks who flies an H-34
(Sikorsky S-58) from his backyard. Some folks did complain a bit
about the guy in hte next town who was flying his DC-3 out of _his_
back yard, but I think it had more to so with the Exotic Reptile
importatin business he had.

--
Pete Stickney
A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many
bad measures. -- Daniel Webster

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(Peter Stickney) wrote:


>
>That all depends on where you are. Nobody's ever complained about the
>family's tanks, or the guy up the road from my folks who flies an H-34
>(Sikorsky S-58) from his backyard. Some folks did complain a bit
>about the guy in hte next town who was flying his DC-3 out of _his_
>back yard, but I think it had more to so with the Exotic Reptile
>importatin business he had.

Interesting neighbours you got there Peter. We did have an
'adventurous' (read 'stunned') couple here who brought in a pair
of adult Bengal Tigers, put 'em in a home-made cage in their back
yard (inside city limits) and named them "Bonnie & Clyde".

Neighbours had a fit, they called the LOCAL city cops, who said
(really!) "Oh, this cage is quite safe". (local newspaper named
and quoted them!)

Can you imagine the level of competency of these louts...not to
mention their Chief? (bout the same as the cats I'd say). Anyhow,
long story short, due to public pressure they got rid of them to
a zoo in Halifax.

What utter stupidity, can you imagine one of those things getting
out and killing some toddler? all I can say is it hadn't better
be my grandson...I'd be forced to spend what time I have left to
financially ruining the local police force and this city in the
courts.
--

-Gord.

[Peter Stickney]

In article >,
"Gord Beaman" ) writes:
> (Peter Stickney) wrote:
>
>
>>
>>That all depends on where you are. Nobody's ever complained about the
>>family's tanks, or the guy up the road from my folks who flies an H-34
>>(Sikorsky S-58) from his backyard. Some folks did complain a bit
>>about the guy in hte next town who was flying his DC-3 out of _his_
>>back yard, but I think it had more to so with the Exotic Reptile
>>importatin business he had.
>
> Interesting neighbours you got there Peter. We did have an
> 'adventurous' (read 'stunned') couple here who brought in a pair
> of adult Bengal Tigers, put 'em in a home-made cage in their back
> yard (inside city limits) and named them "Bonnie & Clyde".

That sort of folk has always creeped me out. I don't see any
circumstances where Tigers, say, make good pets. Or for that matter,
any predator more hungry than an Ocelot.

The reptiles (Snakes mostly) don't worry me too much. None are
venomous, and Pythons tend not to do well in a foot of snow.

> Neighbours had a fit, they called the LOCAL city cops, who said
> (really!) "Oh, this cage is quite safe". (local newspaper named
> and quoted them!)

Brilliant. Bet then again, I'd be a bit disinclined to walk up to
that cage & gove it a shake, too. Not that that excuses them. Those
things are supposed to be taken care of before tha animals are brought
in.

> Can you imagine the level of competency of these louts...not to
> mention their Chief? (bout the same as the cats I'd say). Anyhow,
> long story short, due to public pressure they got rid of them to
> a zoo in Halifax.

Best outcome, I'd say.

> What utter stupidity, can you imagine one of those things getting
> out and killing some toddler? all I can say is it hadn't better
> be my grandson...I'd be forced to spend what time I have left to
> financially ruining the local police force and this city in the
> courts.

Down here in the Excited Snakes, you're supposed to have special
permits & such for livestock with more than the usual potential for
danger. I'd be jumping all over whoever allowed that. Hitting them
in the COurts would, of couse, be just the beginning. I'd also use
the Press. And TV. If the CBC won't run it, the folks that
pick up the U.S. syndicated stuff, like Oprah and all that lot would.

--
Pete Stickney
A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many
bad measures. -- Daniel Webster