top scoring individual aircraft (not type)

[old hoodoo]

Has there ever been any research into the top scoring individual aircraft
(not type) of any era? Presume it would be WWII.

AL

[Cub Driver]

>Has there ever been any research into the top scoring individual aircraft
>(not type) of any era? Presume it would be WWII.

Might be a Brewster Buffalo of the Finnish Air Force. Hasse Wind was
credited with 22 victories flying BW-393, and other pilots with 16 on
the same aircraft, for a total of 38.

http://www.danford.net/scores.htm


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[Garrison Hilliard]

Cub Driver > wrote:
>
>>Has there ever been any research into the top scoring individual aircraft
>>(not type) of any era? Presume it would be WWII.
>
>Might be a Brewster Buffalo of the Finnish Air Force. Hasse Wind was
>credited with 22 victories flying BW-393, and other pilots with 16 on
>the same aircraft, for a total of 38.

Hardly... try Galland's BF109, or any of those Japanese guy's Zekes, Franks, and Oscars. Hell, even Bong's p-38 beats out that Brewster Buffalo (which, despite your fetish for it, still sucked as a fighter when pitted against contemporary fighters - which "Rata's", "Mosca's", and PO's weren't).

[robert arndt]

"Garrison Hilliard" > wrote in message >...
> Cub Driver > wrote:
> >
> >>Has there ever been any research into the top scoring individual aircraft
> >>(not type) of any era? Presume it would be WWII.
> >
> >Might be a Brewster Buffalo of the Finnish Air Force. Hasse Wind was
> >credited with 22 victories flying BW-393, and other pilots with 16 on
> >the same aircraft, for a total of 38.
>
> Hardly... try Galland's BF109, or any of those Japanese guy's Zekes, Franks, and Oscars. Hell, even Bong's p-38 beats out that Brewster Buffalo (which, despite your fetish for it, still sucked as a fighter when pitted against contemporary fighters - which "Rata's", "Mosca's", and PO's weren't).

I totally agree. Take your pick of Me-109 aircraft, the aircraft with
the most kills in history and the aircraft that made the most aces.
Brewster Buffalo??? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Has the discrediting of German achievement reached such a new low? Get
real.

Rob

[Kyle Boatright]

"robert arndt" > wrote in message
om...
> "Garrison Hilliard" > wrote in message
>...
> > Cub Driver > wrote:
> > >
> > >>Has there ever been any research into the top scoring individual
aircraft
> > >>(not type) of any era? Presume it would be WWII.
> > >
> > >Might be a Brewster Buffalo of the Finnish Air Force. Hasse Wind was
> > >credited with 22 victories flying BW-393, and other pilots with 16 on
> > >the same aircraft, for a total of 38.
> >
> > Hardly... try Galland's BF109, or any of those Japanese guy's Zekes,
Franks, and Oscars. Hell, even Bong's p-38 beats out that Brewster Buffalo
(which, despite your fetish for it, still sucked as a fighter when pitted
against contemporary fighters - which "Rata's", "Mosca's", and PO's
weren't).
>
> I totally agree. Take your pick of Me-109 aircraft, the aircraft with
> the most kills in history and the aircraft that made the most aces.
> Brewster Buffalo??? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> Has the discrediting of German achievement reached such a new low? Get
> real.
>
> Rob

I think the context here was most kills by an individual aircraft i.e. the
serial numbered airframe with the most kills. Someone supplied a data
point. Got a better one?

KB

[Ariennya Romani]

"Garrison Hilliard" > wrote in message >...
> Cub Driver > wrote:
> >
> >>Has there ever been any research into the top scoring individual aircraft
> >>(not type) of any era? Presume it would be WWII.
> >
> >Might be a Brewster Buffalo of the Finnish Air Force. Hasse Wind was
> >credited with 22 victories flying BW-393, and other pilots with 16 on
> >the same aircraft, for a total of 38.
>
> Hardly... try Galland's BF109, or any of those Japanese guy's Zekes, Franks, and Oscars. Hell, even Bong's p-38 beats out that Brewster Buffalo (which, despite your fetish for it, still sucked as a fighter when pitted against contemporary fighters - which "Rata's", "Mosca's", and PO's weren't).

The gentleman is right. One Luftwaffe ace, Emil Lang, shot down 18
aircraft in one day alone in his aircraft. I'm sure his total in that
aircraft far exceeds the 38 mentioned above.

I think that the Tempest pilots also shot down large numbers of
aircraft too in a single day, but do V-1 robot bombs count? One source
claimed that a Tempest pilot shot down 21 robots in his aircraft.

Ariennya Romani

[Felger Carbon]

"Garrison Hilliard" > wrote in message
...
>
> Hardly... try Galland's BF109, or any of those Japanese guy's Zekes,
Franks, and Oscars. Hell, even Bong's p-38 beats out that Brewster
Buffalo (which, despite your fetish for it, still sucked as a fighter
when pitted against contemporary fighters - which "Rata's", "Mosca's",
and PO's weren't).

Galland flew for a long time, and there were _many_ improvements in
the BF109 over the course of the war. Are you suggesting that Galland
flew the _same_ 109 throughout the war?

[Chad Irby]

In article .net>,
"Felger Carbon" > wrote:

> "Garrison Hilliard" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > Hardly... try Galland's BF109, or any of those Japanese guy's
> > Zekes, Franks, and Oscars. Hell, even Bong's p-38 beats out that
> > Brewster Buffalo (which, despite your fetish for it, still sucked
> > as a fighter when pitted against contemporary fighters - which
> > "Rata's", "Mosca's", and PO's weren't).
>
> Galland flew for a long time, and there were _many_ improvements in
> the BF109 over the course of the war. Are you suggesting that Galland
> flew the _same_ 109 throughout the war?

He didn't.

He flew different BF-109E models up until about 1941 (they kept giving
him updated versions), then a few BF-109F variants (with custom
additions like extra armor and different weapons), a couple of missions
in an FW-190, and a few in the Me-262.

Galland was hard on planes. He actually bent a prop on a French fighter
once.

--
cirby at cfl.rr.com

Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations.
Slam on brakes accordingly.

[Cub Driver]

>Hardly... try Galland's BF109, or any of those Japanese guy's Zekes, Franks, and Oscars. Hell, even Bong's p-38

Ah, but can you demonstrate that Galland or Bong got every victory on
the same aircraft? (Not type, remember. Aircraft.)

As for the Japanese, even a charitable cuss like me couldn't credit
them with any specific number of victories. Over Burma, I found that
JAAF overclaiming by 400 percent. In the first year of the year, John
Lundstrom found the JNAF overclaiming by 900 percent. Let's keep the
discussion to air forces that don't routinely overclaim by more than
200 percent :)

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[Cub Driver]

On 2 Jan 2004 09:14:03 -0800, (Ariennya Romani)
wrote:

> I'm sure his total in that
>aircraft far exceeds the 38 mentioned above.

Okay: how many? What was the aircraft?

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[JDupre5762]

>Has there ever been any research into the top scoring individual aircraft
>(not type) of any era? Presume it would be WWII.
>
>AL
>
>From: "old hoodoo"

It would seem that the only confirmed example offered is the Brewster flown by
Hans Wind which was Finnish Air Force serial number BW 393 which in my source
is credited with 41 victories. Another Brewster, BW 364 is credited with 36.

It is possible that one of the German aces has more kills scored on an
indvidual aircraft but I have yet to see any research confirming confirmed
claims against a specific werke number. Didn't one of the books about Hartmann
include excerpts from some of his logbooks? Might be a good place to find real
data.

John Dupre'

[vincent p. norris]

>Are you suggesting that Galland flew the _same_ 109 throughout the war?

That would have been difficult, since he was shot up and bailed out
atleast half a dozen times. I doubt the luftwaffe bothered to restore
the airplanes he permitted to land by themselves.

vince norris

[Jukka O. Kauppinen]

>>Has there ever been any research into the top scoring individual aircraft
>>(not type) of any era? Presume it would be WWII.

> It would seem that the only confirmed example offered is the Brewster flown by
> Hans Wind which was Finnish Air Force serial number BW 393 which in my source
> is credited with 41 victories. Another Brewster, BW 364 is credited with 36.

Quote from my post at Dan Ford's Brewster-site:

Brewster (Finnish serial) - number of aerial victories - total hours
flown - pilots and their personal score with the airframe

BW-352 - 18 kills
BW-353 - 20 - 562h 45 min
BW-357 - 16 - 802h
BW-364 - 36 - Ilmari Juutilainen 28
BW-366 - 23 - Jorma Karhunen 14
BW-384 - 18 - 729h 05 min
BW-393 - 41 - Eino Luukkanen 7, Hans Wind 26

jok

[Regnirps]

"old hoodoo" wrote:

>Has there ever been any research into the top scoring individual aircraft
>(not type) of any era? Presume it would be WWII.

I would start with Germans and Russians. It is bound to be one of those.

-- Charlie Springer