Re: US was ready to seize Gulf oil in 1973

[Krztalizer]

Hey, Michael - this doesn't have jack **** to do with R.A.M.; just another one
of your incessant attempts to use your red finger to point out our flaws.

One of the main points that the article doesn't go out of its way to stress is
that we did *not* invade the Mideast in 1973. Its called a "contingency plan",
Michael. Governments have them, covering thousands of possible events.
Another fizzled alarm from our resident apparachik...

[Dav1936531]

>From: (Michael Petukhov)
>
>
>British spy chiefs feared US invasion of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait in 1973

I don't think the Arabs should be too worried about "would have.....could
haves" from 1973.

I think they should be worried about what is going to happen if they don't stop
the flow of funding to Wahabbi fundamentalist "madrassas" which are cranking
out jihadi nut jobs willing to commit suicide attacks against the Western
powers. There is a definite limit as to how many of those attacks the West will
tolerate before we "lower the boom" on the perceived sources of instigation.
Dave

[Krztalizer]

>
>"If he holds a knife at my throat, I'll shoot him"
>

that your new motto, Sandman? :)

[Dave Kearton]

"Krztalizer" > wrote in message
...
| >
| >"If he holds a knife at my throat, I'll shoot him"
| >
|
| that your new motto, Sandman? :)





Sure - like I want to go through that again ;-)







Cheers


Dave Kearton

[fudog50]

Well put Dave,
Let's see what happens, the next 5 years, even 3 will be very
interesting.

On 02 Jan 2004 18:29:49 GMT, (Dav1936531) wrote:

>>From: (Michael Petukhov)
>
>>
>>British spy chiefs feared US invasion of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait in 1973
>
>I don't think the Arabs should be too worried about "would have.....could
>haves" from 1973.
>
>I think they should be worried about what is going to happen if they don't stop
>the flow of funding to Wahabbi fundamentalist "madrassas" which are cranking
>out jihadi nut jobs willing to commit suicide attacks against the Western
>powers. There is a definite limit as to how many of those attacks the West will
>tolerate before we "lower the boom" on the perceived sources of instigation.
>Dave

[Matt Wiser]

"Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj" > wrote:
>Chad Irby wrote:
>> In article >,
>> "Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj" >
>wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Chad Irby wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>And there were *dozens* of such plans by
>the USSR for invading pretty
>>>>much everyone, at some time or another.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Do they make good reading?
>>
>>
>> Actually, yes. Especially if you're interested
>in learning about how
>> the old Soviet Union was planning on taking
>over most of Europe and the
>> Middle East.
>>
>> Likewise, the old 1949 "Dropshot" plan for
>a US war against the Soviet
>> Union in 1957 is quite interesting. The primary
>assumption was that the
>> USSR was going to try and take over basically
>the whole world, starting
>> with Europe and Asia, and that the West would
>be in a defensive fight
>> from day one.
>>
>> The US didn't completely abandon the Dropshot
>plan until the 1970s, and
>> made it public in 1977, right about the time
>we started to realize that
>> the USSR was having too many internal troubles
>to manage an aggressive
>> war of any size.
>>
>So where can one find the nitty gritty of them.
>
Dropshot was pubished in book form in the late 70s; my public library has
a copy. Another plan that hasn't been published, but has been treated in
a book is OPLAN 316-62. This is the plan for the Invasion of Cuba if Ivan
hadn't backed down in October of '62. Dino Bruigoni's Eyeball to Eyeball
gave an outline-a two division airdrop with 82nd and 101st Airborne Divs,
a simultaneous amphib landing by 2nd Marine Div, with the Army's 1st Armored,
1st, 2nd, and 4th IDs as follow-on forces, and the 5th ID and a Combat Command
from 2nd Armored Divison as reserve. If no nukes get fired, organized resistance
was expected to be over by D+15, with U.S. casualties expected to be a thousand
a day for the first ten days. 40,000 Marines and over 100,000 Army troops,
with overwhelming USAF, Navy, and Marine air support. 850 AF, Navy, and Marine
aircraft for the air campaign (8 days minimum, up to 18 at CINCLANT's discretion).
Particulars still classified.

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