Russian Military Technology

[Alejandro Magno]

Napoleon and Hitler tought they could defeat Mother Russia. They said
Mother Russia was a total mess.

Mother Russia is 1,500 years old and she has never been defeated.
America is like 230 years old, America has a lot of learning to do.

America has never been invaded in the same scale Mother Russia has.
Enemies are numerous on Mother Russia's borders. Poland, Prussia,
France, Germany, Turkey, China, Japan, Islamic States, Mongols,
Scandinavia, all of them have tryed to conquer Mother Russia. The
bodies of foreign soldiers (mercenaries) are now fertilizing Mother
Russia's farms.

Stalingrad, Bodorino, Kursk: the same movie played several times.

Mother Russia has managed to defeat her enemies for 1,500 years. You
think that these happy people can defeat Mother Russia:
http://www.white-history.com/usafuture.htm ?

Mother Russia has thousand and thousand of miles to retreat, before
launching her killing counter-attack to destroy the invader. Mother
Russia always avenge her fallen warriors. Mother Russia never forgets,
she never forgives.

You should be grateful to Mother Russia, it was Mother Russia who
defeated the Nazis, otherwise there would be a swastika flying on the
top of the White House in Washington, DC, and on the Tower of London.

Europeans must be grateful that Mother Russia defeated Napoleon. If
Napoleoan had succesed, French would have been the spoken language in
whole Europe. After Napoleano victory, the entire European population
would have become a bunch of weasels.

Could you please tell me why there is an African team in the UEFA EURO
2004 in Portugal (soccer),
http://www.euro2004.com/Competitions/EURO/Teams/Team=43/index.html
(scroll down, to your right you will see a picture, click it to
enlarge it) ?.

Napoleon and Hitler thought they were able to defeat Mother Russia.
History proved them wrong.

If you are a White American, you must be grateful to Mother Russia.
She has been the protector of Europe against Mongol, Chinese and
Islamic Invaders. All the White Race must be grateful to Holy Imperial
Mother Russia.

Catherine the Great was a great woman. I wish we could have more like
her. She ordered Alexander Suvurov to clean Europe of Turkish
invaders. Alexander Suvorov received the order to exterminate all the
Turks in European soil.

I wonder if America could have resited all the invasions Russia has.

Enjoy: ****** http://www.skazka.no/anthems/ ******



God Save the new Tsar Vladimir Putin !!!!
God Bless Holy Imperial Mother Russia !!!!
God Bless all Christian Nations of the World !!!

[Chad Irby]

In article >,
(Alejandro Magno) wrote:

> Napoleon and Hitler tought they could defeat Mother Russia. They said
> Mother Russia was a total mess.
>
> Mother Russia is 1,500 years old and she has never been defeated.

Which Mother Russia? Tsarist Russia, the USSR, or the current one?

> America is like 230 years old, America has a lot of learning to do.

You *do* realize that the US currently has one of the oldest governments
on the planet, right? Hell, I've got T-shirts older than the current
Russian government...

--
cirby at cfl.rr.com

Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations.
Slam on brakes accordingly.

[B2431]

>From: (Alejandro Magno)
>
>Napoleon and Hitler tought they could defeat Mother Russia. They said
>Mother Russia was a total mess.
>
>Mother Russia is 1,500 years old and she has never been defeated.

Check your history, Russia was occupied by the Poles, the Mongols and a few
others.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

[BUFDRVR]

>> Incidentally, in Yugoslavia all of that Western equipment resulted in,
>> what, 8 or 9 tanks being destroyed?

Wrong. I've *personally* seen pictures of a dozen destroyed tanks and armored
vehicles. The "8 or 9 tank" myth came from the Yugoslavs after the conflict
ended who were embarrased to admit they got waxed and could only manage to
shoot down 2 aircraft and cause zero casulties.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

[BUFDRVR]

>Yugoslavia was a Bill Clinton failure.

Boy, I hate the man, but how can you say Yugoslavia (Operation ALLIED FORCE)
was a failure? NATO said stop military action in Kosovo, Yugoslavia refused, we
bombed them for 72-days, they agreed not only to stop military action in
Kosovo, but to remove their armed forces entirely. Where's the failure part?

>Iran was a George Bush failure.

Hmm, if you refering to Operation Eagle Claw, that was Jimmy Carter. If you
meant Iraq, once again, you're going to have to explain to me how we failed. We
set out to remove Saddam Hussain from power, that was done.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

[BUFDRVR]

>For
>example, do you really think the president is going to authorize the
>Navy to do anything that might create an international incident, such
>as shoot down Russian planes trying to overfly a carrier battle group.

Additionally, while flying over a naval military formation may be provacative,
it is not illegal. The airspace above a CBG is international airspace and the
only restrictions on overflight is the ICAO requirement to maintain at least
500' altitude seperation from the surface vessels. So....the US had no legal
right to engage, or even interfere with the Russian aircraft as long as they
didn't drop any objects, open their bomb doors, fly across the bow or attempt
to jam any of the battle groups surviellence radars (legal acts of war as
defined by Geneva) and they maintained 500' above the tallest ship. Actually,
even if they flew lower than 500', this is not a reason to interfere with this
flight, all this would allow the US to do is file a complaint with the ICAO.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

[BUFDRVR]

>You should be grateful to Mother Russia, it was Mother Russia who
>defeated the Nazis, otherwise there would be a swastika flying on the
>top of the White House in Washington, DC, and on the Tower of London.

I beg all the readers of this to *not* re-open that debate!! There is no
conclusive evidence either way and all we get are the resident kooks like our
friend here throwing around insults....

>If you are a White American, you must be grateful to Mother Russia.
>She has been the protector of Europe against Mongol, Chinese and
>Islamic Invaders.

Great, so not only are you a Russian/Soviet fanatic, but a racist to
boot.........


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

[tadaa]

> >> Incidentally, in Yugoslavia all of that Western equipment resulted in,
> >> what, 8 or 9 tanks being destroyed?
>
> Wrong. I've *personally* seen pictures of a dozen destroyed tanks and
armored
> vehicles. The "8 or 9 tank" myth came from the Yugoslavs after the
conflict
> ended who were embarrased to admit they got waxed and could only manage to
> shoot down 2 aircraft and cause zero casulties.

8, 9 or 12 it really isn't that large difference.
How many vehicles did USA lose in Iraq? Were US forces waxed in Iraq?

[BUFDRVR]

>8, 9 or 12 it really isn't that large difference.

No it's not, but I'm talking about pictures I've seen personally, not a
collection of pictures of every hulk in Kosovo. The pictures I saw were taken
by an Air Force Tactical Air Controller assigned to the first US Army unit to
move into Kosovo. Over his 4 month deployment he had access to about 1/4 of
Kosovo and took pictures of 12 tanks and armored vehicles. If we assume the
rest of Kosovo was equally littered, that's 48 tanks. I'm not contending we hit
48 tanks, just pointing out that 1 US Air Force ETAC took pictures of more
destroyed vehicles than the Serbs admitted were destroyed. Could they be lying?


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

[nemo l'ancien]

Stop Vodka now!!!
But I think it's too late for your brain.
Sorry, I was not knowing you were not having one


DA svidania

[Pete]

"BUFDRVR" > wrote
> I'm not contending we hit
> 48 tanks, just pointing out that 1 US Air Force ETAC took pictures of more
> destroyed vehicles than the Serbs admitted were destroyed. Could they be
lying?

Of *course* someone is lying. It just depends on which side of the fence you
sit to determine *who*.

Pete

[Krztalizer]

>
>Enemies are numerous on Mother Russia's borders.

That's what happens when you invade your neighbors.

>The
>bodies of foreign soldiers (mercenaries) are now fertilizing Mother
>Russia's farms.

....and serving in the Russian military, since Russia's sons no longer see fit
to do so.

>
>You should be grateful to Mother Russia, it was Mother Russia who
>defeated the Nazis, otherwise there would be a swastika flying on the
>top of the White House in Washington, DC, and on the Tower of London.

errrrrr, yah. Mind telling me the mechanism for the Nazi invasion of the USA?
Think quickly and make up something exciting, because you are losing your
audience, boyo.

Gordon

[Alejandro Magno]

Chad Irby > wrote in message news:<q%KJb.109474
> Absolutely. Some of the funniest websites I've seen in a long time.

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a30173716da.htm
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a3116454bba.htm

Since when Free Republic is a funny and conspiracy forum ?

Envy ?

Magno

[Alejandro Magno]

(BUFDRVR) wrote in message >...
> >You should be grateful to Mother Russia, it was Mother Russia who
> >defeated the Nazis, otherwise there would be a swastika flying on the
> >top of the White House in Washington, DC, and on the Tower of London.
>
> I beg all the readers of this to *not* re-open that debate!! There is no
> conclusive evidence either way and all we get are the resident kooks like our
> friend here throwing around insults....

There is no debate. Soviet Union won the war in Europe. Stalingrad the
largest battle in the history. Kurks the largest tank battle.

America entered the war in Europe in summer 1944 when Germany was in
constant retreat from the Eastern front since summer 1943. Hitler
started to execute Jews in 1942(after the Wannasse conference),
America did nothing for the Jews.

The only reason of D-Day was to stop uncle Joe Stalin from washing his
boots on the Portugal coast. "Clash of Titans" from Amazon.com

In other words, D-Day was the first confrontation of the Cold War.


> Great, so not only are you a Russian/Soviet fanatic, but a racist to
> boot.........
> BUFDRVR

I am proud of my relatives and ancestors, are you ?

Magno

[Alejandro Magno]

"Schelkunchik" wrote
> It sounds to me you either believe in Santa Claus or LSD.

I am not American.

> Either way, Russian hardware has never performed up to expectations in real
> battle.

Kursk ?

The best tanks of WW2 were Soviet and German. Even the French had
better tanks than America.

> Russian tanks were wiped off the battlefield in Iraq (twice). Russian
> aircraft were wiped out of the sky over Bekaa, Kosovo, Libya and Iraq.
> Russian anti-aircraft defenses were pushed into the dustbin of history in
> Syria, Viet Nam, Serbia and Iraq.

Really ?

In the attack over the independent and Christian nation of Serbia,
NATo only destroyed 13 tanks after 8 weeks of bombing. NATO planes
bombed hospitals, schools, bridges, houses and TV stations.

America bombed TV stations because America loves censorship. "Free
Speech" is a joke in America. Censorship in Spanish is "La Censura".
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=la+censura+de+la+democracia

Funny ?

> Russian submarines sink by themselves.

Just like the USS Thresher and the USS Scorpion.

> The best the Russians can do is hope for a chance hit on a helicopter with
> an RPG.

Ask the Americans soldiers in Iraq.
http://www.iraqwar.ru funny ?

Magno III

[Chad Irby]

In article >,
(Alejandro Magno) wrote:

> Chad Irby > wrote in message news:<q%KJb.109474
> > Absolutely. Some of the funniest websites I've seen in a long time.
>
> http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a30173716da.htm
> http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a3116454bba.htm
>
> Since when Free Republic is a funny and conspiracy forum ?

Since you consider the Russian capability to fly near or over our ships
during *peace time* a major accomplishment. It's like that guy who
posted a story about how some Russian planes actually managed to fly
sorta near Diego Garcia as a huge strategic move.

> Envy ?

Pity, mixed with contempt.

--
cirby at cfl.rr.com

Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations.
Slam on brakes accordingly.

[Peter Skelton]

On 4 Jan 2004 14:59:24 -0800,
(Alejandro Magno) wrote:

>"Schelkunchik" wrote
>> It sounds to me you either believe in Santa Claus or LSD.
>
>I am not American.
>
>> Either way, Russian hardware has never performed up to expectations in real
>> battle.
>
>Kursk ?
>
>The best tanks of WW2 were Soviet and German. Even the French had
>better tanks than America.
>
Nonesense. The predominant requirement was for something that
could be punched out like confetti. The US understood that better
than anyone else. That was true for several otehr weapon stystems
too.

Peter Skelton

[Schelkunchik]

"Peter Skelton" > wrote in message
...
> On 4 Jan 2004 14:59:24 -0800,
> (Alejandro Magno) wrote:
>
> >"Schelkunchik" wrote
> >> It sounds to me you either believe in Santa Claus or LSD.
> >
> >I am not American.
> >
> >> Either way, Russian hardware has never performed up to expectations in
real
> >> battle.
> >
> >Kursk ?
> >
> >The best tanks of WW2 were Soviet and German. Even the French had
> >better tanks than America.
> >
> Nonesense. The predominant requirement was for something that
> could be punched out like confetti. The US understood that better
> than anyone else. That was true for several otehr weapon stystems
> too.
>
> Peter Skelton

Yep. The US actually cut back on Sherman production well before the war was
over. Tankers liked it because it was so reliable though. The Pershing was
just being introduced as the war ended but it did very well in the few
battles it fought.

The Panther hardly ever ran reliably. Both the Tigers and Panthers were too
few in number to make a real difference anyway. There was no gasoline to run
them as well.

WWII was Russian armor's sunset. Other than running over a few Hungarians,
Czechs and Lithuanians, Russian armor never fared very well. Check out the
big armor battles in the first Gulf War. Tank-on-tank, Russian armor was
obliterated.

[Chad Irby]

In article >,
(Paul Lakowski) wrote:

> Oh I don't think the USA needs any help looking bad, they seem to be
> doing a good enough job at it already.

Well, considering that the criteria for "bad" is apparently "kicking out
dictators," we can live with that.

Especially when you look at the people who are complaining about the US
the most. Not exactly a burden. It's like having a homeless guy mad at
you for not giving him a quarter.

--
cirby at cfl.rr.com

Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations.
Slam on brakes accordingly.

[Jarg]

You seem to overlook the massive material assistance to the Soviet Union
starting in 1941 which contributed greatly to stemming the German successes,
the assistance to Britain staring in 1939 which may well have saved them
from conquest, not to mention the actions in North Africa, Italy, in the
skies over Europe, etc which greatly reduced Germany's capacity to wage war.
It is possible Russia could have won alone, but highly unlikely. And while
is is debatable, it seems pretty apparent to me that the United States could
have defeated the Soviet Union at the conclusion of WW2 had it needed to,
albeit at a very high cost.

Jarg

"Alejandro Magno" > wrote in message
om...
> (BUFDRVR) wrote in message
>...
> > >You should be grateful to Mother Russia, it was Mother Russia who
> > >defeated the Nazis, otherwise there would be a swastika flying on the
> > >top of the White House in Washington, DC, and on the Tower of London.
> >
> > I beg all the readers of this to *not* re-open that debate!! There is no
> > conclusive evidence either way and all we get are the resident kooks
like our
> > friend here throwing around insults....
>
> There is no debate. Soviet Union won the war in Europe. Stalingrad the
> largest battle in the history. Kurks the largest tank battle.
>
> America entered the war in Europe in summer 1944 when Germany was in
> constant retreat from the Eastern front since summer 1943. Hitler
> started to execute Jews in 1942(after the Wannasse conference),
> America did nothing for the Jews.
>
> The only reason of D-Day was to stop uncle Joe Stalin from washing his
> boots on the Portugal coast. "Clash of Titans" from Amazon.com
>
> In other words, D-Day was the first confrontation of the Cold War.
>
>
> > Great, so not only are you a Russian/Soviet fanatic, but a racist to
> > boot.........
> > BUFDRVR
>
> I am proud of my relatives and ancestors, are you ?
>
> Magno

[tadaa]

> The Yugoslavs returned to the arms control treaty/inspections within
months
> of the end of the conflict. The last time that they exchanged information
> was January 1999 when they pulled out due to the on-going Kosovo
> crisis.Apart from the Dayton Accord they also rejoined the Vienna Document
> and in late 1999 revealed that they had lost 18 MBT and 136 ACV. They also
> revealed that they had lost 50 fixed wing combat aircraft and 11 combat
> helicopters.

The problem with using those statistics is that those only show operational
equipment (atleast that is how I understand it), so damaged equipment would
show as a loss too.

[tadaa]

> No it's not, but I'm talking about pictures I've seen personally, not a
> collection of pictures of every hulk in Kosovo. The pictures I saw were
taken
> by an Air Force Tactical Air Controller assigned to the first US Army unit
to
> move into Kosovo. Over his 4 month deployment he had access to about 1/4
of
> Kosovo and took pictures of 12 tanks and armored vehicles. If we assume
the
> rest of Kosovo was equally littered, that's 48 tanks. I'm not contending
we hit
> 48 tanks, just pointing out that 1 US Air Force ETAC took pictures of more
> destroyed vehicles than the Serbs admitted were destroyed. Could they be
lying?

Well perhaps they have the same "total loss" system that US has: unless its
in 10 kg bits, it ain't a total loss :)

[Andrew Chaplin]

Alejandro Magno wrote:

> America entered the war in Europe in summer 1944 when Germany was in
> constant retreat from the Eastern front since summer 1943.

<guffaw>

Anzio and Sangro, they're just names,
We only came to look for dames.
We are the D-Day Dodgers
Way out in Italy.

Yes, I know it's a British song, but the men of U.S. Fifth Army could
also lay claim to it after a slight like that last one.
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)

[Alejandro Magno]

noname > wrote:
> Russian SUPER technology page http://www.funet.fi/~timaham/toilet/

American technology is so reliable that fails before the mission
begins:
http://rescueattempt.tripod.com/hostagerescueattempt/id14.html

My respect to those AMERICAN HEROES who lost their lives trying to
rescue their countrymen, but American technology did not cooperate.

More here: http://www.iraqwar.ru

"And so we had Afghanistan, when the most powerful air force in the
world ridiculously bombed fuzzy-wuzzies in sandals and turbans. The
latest technology was used, with bombs costing thousands of times more
than the worth of their targets"

"And after Afghanistan we had Iraq II. This war on Iraq was initiated
solely because the country, situated only a few miles away from the
bandit, terrorist state, could pose a potential future threat to it."

Taken from here: http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=1382

and there is more for my proud American friends:
"Afghanistan never attacked the United States. Iraq never attacked the
United States. Israel did -- and the United States immediately
surrendered.
The Israeli Attack on the USS Liberty.

Israel will fiercely combat the truth, for it is the one weapon
against them in which they have no defense."

taken from: http://engforum.pravda.ru/showthread.php3?threadid=52499

More information at http://www.ussliberty.org (a knife in the back of
America by her "ally")

Who is Jonnatan Pollard ? ups .. ups.... ups .... another stab in the
back

And what about Mr. Lavon ?
http://www.angelfire.com/oz/1spy/Lavon.html
ups .. ups ... ups ... another stab in the back

Shooting planes down with civilians
http://www.mathaba.net/info/flight114.htm
http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/974655/posts

Americans like hunting, Israelis, too.
http://geocities.com/mossadlibrary/trophy.html

Poor jewish woman:
http://islamonline.net/English/News/2003-11/19/article04.shtml

A palestinian boy playing with a tank:
http://www.giwersworld.org

Who is the secretary of Defense ?
http://www.nowarforisrael.com
http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/02/12/Counterpunch_1.html
http://www.itszone.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=11325
http://nogw.com/warforisrael.html

Highest IQ in the world:
http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=1575
http://dailytelegraph.news.com.au/story.jsp?sectionid=1274&storyid=703396


I still do not uderstand, America needs oil, the arabs have the oil,
an America is on Israel side. Can someone explain that to me ?

Americans really know how to get along between each other:
Poor little girl
http://www.nationalvanguard.org/docs/joyner_shark.mp3
http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=1091


I thought that Americans were Christians, but a special kind of
Christians, Christians who do not read the BIBLE.

Learn from me, lets spell the word "BIBLE".

B. Basic
I. Intructions
B. Before
L. Living
E. Earth

Are you still with me or is it too complicated ?

Now, lets read the BIBLE, today passage is John 7:13

"Others replied, "No, he deceives the people." But no one would say
anything publicly about him for fear of the Jews."

Do not believe me ?

http://www.biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible?language=english&passage=John+7:13&version=NIV


Americans have a great education:
http://www.ocpathink.org/Education/WhyCantJohnnyRead.html
"In the government schools, hundreds of thousands of graduates from
the twelfth grade cannot read their own diplomas...."

Per capita, Chile is almost as rich as America:
http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=1388

Nice country you got !!!!

The only politician who is a real AMERICAN is Pat Buchanan.

But Americans do not listen. They want to live their little happy
lives inside the MATRIX fed by propaganda coming from jewishland.

http://www4.stormfront.org/whitehistory/hwrdet.htm
http://www4.stormfront.org/whitehistory/usafuture.htm

Enjoy what is left of your country.

Alejandro Magno III

[B2431]

(Alejandro Magno)
>Date: 1/4/2004 4:52 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
(BUFDRVR) wrote in message
>...
>> >You should be grateful to Mother Russia, it was Mother Russia who
>> >defeated the Nazis, otherwise there would be a swastika flying on the
>> >top of the White House in Washington, DC, and on the Tower of London.
>>
>> I beg all the readers of this to *not* re-open that debate!! There is no
>> conclusive evidence either way and all we get are the resident kooks like
>our
>> friend here throwing around insults....
>
>There is no debate. Soviet Union won the war in Europe. Stalingrad the
>largest battle in the history. Kurks the largest tank battle.

It's spelled Kursk.

>America entered the war in Europe in summer 1944 when Germany was in
>constant retreat from the Eastern front since summer 1943.

The British and American bombing of Europe in 1942,1943 and 1944 doesn't count?

How about North Africa, Sicily and Italy?

Hitler
>started to execute Jews in 1942(after the Wannasse conference),
>America did nothing for the Jews.

Tell that to the Jews who were murdered starting not long after the invasion of
Poland. How about Baba Yar? That was before Wannsee. Please note the correct
spelling.
>
>The only reason of D-Day was to stop uncle Joe Stalin from washing his
>boots on the Portugal coast. "Clash of Titans" from Amazon.com

Yes, as a tertiary reason for the invasion. Liberating Europe was the primary,
taking pressure off the Soviets was secondary.

>In other words, D-Day was the first confrontation of the Cold War.
>
Only in your mind.

>> Great, so not only are you a Russian/Soviet fanatic, but a racist to
>> boot.........
>> BUFDRVR
>
>I am proud of my relatives and ancestors, are you ?
>
>Magno
>
Once again you don't let facts actually stop you.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[Ragnar]

"Alejandro Magno" > wrote in message
om...
> > Either way, Russian hardware has never performed up to expectations in
real
> > battle.
>
> Kursk ?

I would note that Kursk was fought by the SOVIETS, not the Russians.

> The best tanks of WW2 were Soviet and German. Even the French had
> better tanks than America.

I would also note that Germany's "better" tanks lost, as did France's
"better" tanks. Also note that LeClerc's French Armored Division that
rolled into Paris AFTER if was liberated was riding in American Sherman
tanks.

>
> > Russian tanks were wiped off the battlefield in Iraq (twice). Russian
> > aircraft were wiped out of the sky over Bekaa, Kosovo, Libya and Iraq.
> > Russian anti-aircraft defenses were pushed into the dustbin of history
in
> > Syria, Viet Nam, Serbia and Iraq.
>
> Really ?

Yes, really. The Syrians alone lost 85 Soviet-built planes in the 1982
Lebanon campaign, and managed to shoot down 0 US-built planes.

> > Russian submarines sink by themselves.
>
> Just like the USS Thresher and the USS Scorpion.

Yes. However, the Soviets managed to lose at least 5 subs, one of which
still sits in 15,000 feet of water off Norway.

[Ragnar]

"Alejandro Magno" > wrote in message
om...

> Mother Russia is 1,500 years old and she has never been defeated.

Actually, "Mother Russia" wasn't a state until about 1400 AD. That would
make them about 600 years old.

As for defeated, I note you avoid the Tartars kicking ass and occupying
'Russia" for nearly 250 years.

> Catherine the Great was a great woman. I wish we could have more like
> her.

Umm, Catherine was GERMAN. She ruled over your precious Russians and was
the best they had until the Revolution.

[B2431]

>From: (Alejandro Magno)

<snip>

>Shooting planes down with civilians
>http://www.mathaba.net/info/flight114.htm
>http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/974655/posts
>

KAL 007 ring a bell?

If you are going to bash be fair about it.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

[Bad Santa]

"Ragnar" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Alejandro Magno" > wrote in message
> om...
> > > Either way, Russian hardware has never performed up to expectations in
> real
> > > battle.
> >
> > Kursk ?
>
> I would note that Kursk was fought by the SOVIETS, not the Russians.
>
> > The best tanks of WW2 were Soviet and German. Even the French had
> > better tanks than America.
>
> I would also note that Germany's "better" tanks lost, as did France's
> "better" tanks. Also note that LeClerc's French Armored Division that
> rolled into Paris AFTER if was liberated was riding in American Sherman
> tanks.
>
> >
> > > Russian tanks were wiped off the battlefield in Iraq (twice). Russian
> > > aircraft were wiped out of the sky over Bekaa, Kosovo, Libya and Iraq.
> > > Russian anti-aircraft defenses were pushed into the dustbin of history
> in
> > > Syria, Viet Nam, Serbia and Iraq.
> >
> > Really ?
>
> Yes, really. The Syrians alone lost 85 Soviet-built planes in the 1982
> Lebanon campaign, and managed to shoot down 0 US-built planes.
>

Also consider that the Israelis were flying aircraft of foreign origin which
invalidates Russian claims that their aircraft would fare much better if
Russians were flying them. In any case, either their aircraft don't perform
or the Russians are really poor teachers.

Isreali techniques for defeating the Syrian sam defenses were adopted by the
Americans in the first Gulf War. One of the interesting stories is how the
US came up with drones nearly from scratch while the build-up was ongoing.
By the time hostilities started, the US had a fleet of drones that it used
to sucker the sam sites into turning on their radars. Iraqi air defenses
were wiped out pretty much the first day.

The Iraqi-US tank battles of the first Gulf War are pretty interesting to
read about in detail. That was when there were no sanctions and Saddam was
buying Russia's best tanks.

Khadafi's confrontation with the US Navy was a washout for him.

Serbs lost their SAM sites and their Air Force was relegated to hangar guard
duty. It doesn't matter much if you have an Air Force if you can't/won't fly
it.

> > > Russian submarines sink by themselves.
> >
> > Just like the USS Thresher and the USS Scorpion.
>
> Yes. However, the Soviets managed to lose at least 5 subs, one of which
> still sits in 15,000 feet of water off Norway.
>

The waters around Russia are littered with the rusting hulks of their
submarines, many of them still with their reactors.

>
>

[Bad Santa]

I went to the fights and all of the sudden a hockey game broke out.

Afghanistan just ratified a new constitution.
Saddam is in jail and power will be turned over to the Iraqis in just 6
months time.
Libya has dismantled its WMD
There may be potential for friendly dialogue with Iran.

With each country that joins the family of nations, more attention is
focused on the remaining few.

If Iran decides to behave in a civilised manner, then we have to look closer
at North Korea. Cuba and Venezuela come next. Then we have to do some
cleanup on Syria and whatever troublemakers remain out there.

Has Bush made Americans safer since 9/11? You betcha. There's still lots
more to do though.

I don't think Dean the Daschle clone is going to have a chance against Bush
to be honest. Neither Bush or Dean are very likable but Bush has proven he
gets things done. Dean is just the loudmouth schoolyard bully. He didn't
accomplish anything in Vermont. If Al Gore was president, he would have
fired a couple cruise missiles into the Indian Ocean and proclaimed victory
over the Taliban and Saddam.

If Al Gore was president, both repressive regimes would still be in power.

If must rile all you ultra-liberal Euro-socialists to know that in the big
scheme of things, it is the US that controls your destiny.

[Mary Shafer]

On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 00:55:08 GMT, Andrew Chaplin
> wrote:

> Alejandro Magno wrote:
>
> > America entered the war in Europe in summer 1944 when Germany was in
> > constant retreat from the Eastern front since summer 1943.
>
> <guffaw>
>
> Anzio and Sangro, they're just names,
> We only came to look for dames.
> We are the D-Day Dodgers
> Way out in Italy.

Eighth Army scroungers and their tanks,
We live in Rome, among the Yanks.
We are the D-Day Dodgers
Way out in Italy.

To the tune of Lili Marlene, by the way.

My father was one of those Yanks, being in arty and having come ashore
on day three at Anzio. He greatly admired the British forces he'd
seen in Italy and North Africa.

Mary

--
Mary Shafer Retired aerospace research engineer

[Alejandro Magno]

(B2431) wrote
> KAL 007 ring a bell?
> If you are going to bash be fair about it.
> Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

KAL 007

"Happy" Americans using civilian aircraft to spy on the EMPIRE.
Americans are not only "Happy", they are chickens, too. They send
women and children in a civilian aircfraft to do a man's job.

Well, If I have to spy on Mother Russia, I will chicken out, too.

Holy Russians have this kind of toys:
http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/wmd/ballistic/ballistic/ss25_001.jpg

After Holy Russians play with their toy, America will look like this:
http://www.mindspring.com/~jamoyers/kdem/screenshots/atom.gif
http://www.donaldedavis.com/BIGPUB/CASLBRAV.jpg
http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/wmd/ballistic/images/ballistic_1venik_s_aviation.jpg

America will be warm, I think. Remember to visit
http://www.weather.com to check the temperatures in the American
cities, the range will vary between 1,000 C and 50,000,000 C.

Q: What is a "happy" American ?
A: http://www.white-history.com/usafuture.htm

Magno

[JasiekS]

U¿ytkownik "B2431" > napisa³ w wiadomo¶ci
...
> (Alejandro Magno)
> >Date: 1/4/2004 4:52 PM Central Standard Time
> >Message-id: >
> >
[snip...]


> Tell that to the Jews who were murdered starting not long after the
invasion of
> Poland. How about Baba Yar? That was before Wannsee. Please note the
correct
> spelling.

Sorry, what is Baba Yar?

[snip...]

> Once again you don't let facts actually stop you.
>
> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
>

JasiekS
Warsaw, Poland

[Guy Wastiaux]

Chad Irby wrote:
> Well, considering that the criteria for "bad" is apparently "kicking
out
> dictators," we can live with that.
>

wow .. kicking out dictators. Now that's cool !

[Jarg]

The whole suggestion that KAL 700 was a spy plane has been thoroughly
discredited. I doubt even the Communist leadership ever seriously believed
that line but they needed a good story to cover up the ineptitude of the
Soviet AF. It's really quite sad that they allowed an unidentified aircraft
to meander through the Motherland's air space for several hours then
couldn't even correctly identify it as a civilian aircraft when they did
finally manage to locate it.

Jarg

"Alejandro Magno" > wrote in message
om...
> (B2431) wrote
> > KAL 007 ring a bell?
> > If you are going to bash be fair about it.
> > Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired
>
> KAL 007
>
> "Happy" Americans using civilian aircraft to spy on the EMPIRE.
> Americans are not only "Happy", they are chickens, too. They send
> women and children in a civilian aircfraft to do a man's job.
>
> Well, If I have to spy on Mother Russia, I will chicken out, too.
>
> Holy Russians have this kind of toys:
> http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/wmd/ballistic/ballistic/ss25_001.jpg
>
> After Holy Russians play with their toy, America will look like this:
> http://www.mindspring.com/~jamoyers/kdem/screenshots/atom.gif
> http://www.donaldedavis.com/BIGPUB/CASLBRAV.jpg
>
http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/wmd/ballistic/images/ballistic_1venik_s_aviation.jpg
>
> America will be warm, I think. Remember to visit
> http://www.weather.com to check the temperatures in the American
> cities, the range will vary between 1,000 C and 50,000,000 C.
>
> Q: What is a "happy" American ?
> A: http://www.white-history.com/usafuture.htm
>
> Magno

[Kevin Brooks]

"Alejandro Magno" > wrote in message
om...
> (B2431) wrote
> > KAL 007 ring a bell?
> > If you are going to bash be fair about it.
> > Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired
>
> KAL 007
>
> "Happy" Americans using civilian aircraft to spy on the EMPIRE.
> Americans are not only "Happy", they are chickens, too. They send
> women and children in a civilian aircfraft to do a man's job.
>
> Well, If I have to spy on Mother Russia, I will chicken out, too.
>
> Holy Russians have this kind of toys:
> http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/wmd/ballistic/ballistic/ss25_001.jpg
>
> After Holy Russians play with their toy, America will look like this:
> http://www.mindspring.com/~jamoyers/kdem/screenshots/atom.gif
> http://www.donaldedavis.com/BIGPUB/CASLBRAV.jpg
>
http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/wmd/ballistic/images/ballistic_1venik_s_aviation.jpg
>
> America will be warm, I think. Remember to visit
> http://www.weather.com to check the temperatures in the American
> cities, the range will vary between 1,000 C and 50,000,000 C.
>
> Q: What is a "happy" American ?
> A: http://www.white-history.com/usafuture.htm

Sigh. Another WorldWideWierdo. PLONK.

Brooks
>
> Magno

[Jarg]

He does seem to have some mental health issues, but I think it better to try
to respond to his crazy statements just to give the uninformed some
perspective.

Jarg

"Kevin Brooks" > wrote in message
t...
>
> "Alejandro Magno" > wrote in message
> om...
> > (B2431) wrote
> > > KAL 007 ring a bell?
> > > If you are going to bash be fair about it.
> > > Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired
> >
> > KAL 007
> >
> > "Happy" Americans using civilian aircraft to spy on the EMPIRE.
> > Americans are not only "Happy", they are chickens, too. They send
> > women and children in a civilian aircfraft to do a man's job.
> >
> > Well, If I have to spy on Mother Russia, I will chicken out, too.
> >
> > Holy Russians have this kind of toys:
> > http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/wmd/ballistic/ballistic/ss25_001.jpg
> >
> > After Holy Russians play with their toy, America will look like this:
> > http://www.mindspring.com/~jamoyers/kdem/screenshots/atom.gif
> > http://www.donaldedavis.com/BIGPUB/CASLBRAV.jpg
> >
>
http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/wmd/ballistic/images/ballistic_1venik_s_aviation.jpg
> >
> > America will be warm, I think. Remember to visit
> > http://www.weather.com to check the temperatures in the American
> > cities, the range will vary between 1,000 C and 50,000,000 C.
> >
> > Q: What is a "happy" American ?
> > A: http://www.white-history.com/usafuture.htm
>
> Sigh. Another WorldWideWierdo. PLONK.
>
> Brooks
> >
> > Magno
>
>

[Krztalizer]

>> "Happy" Americans using civilian aircraft to spy on the EMPIRE.
>> Americans are not only "Happy", they are chickens, too. They send
>> women and children in a civilian aircfraft to do a man's job.
>>
>> Well, If I have to spy on Mother Russia, I will chicken out, too.

I been on overflights over Soviet land on recon missions and I don't recall the
Soviets being able to do anything to stop us. No women or chidren in the
aircraft with us either - so I guess the "chicken****" aspect here is all
yours. Just because YOU would be too chicken to do such a thing, doesn't mean
everyone is that spineless.

Gordon

[TJ]

"tadaa" > wrote in message ...
> > The Yugoslavs returned to the arms control treaty/inspections within
> months
> > of the end of the conflict. The last time that they exchanged
information
> > was January 1999 when they pulled out due to the on-going Kosovo
> > crisis.Apart from the Dayton Accord they also rejoined the Vienna
Document
> > and in late 1999 revealed that they had lost 18 MBT and 136 ACV. They
also
> > revealed that they had lost 50 fixed wing combat aircraft and 11 combat
> > helicopters.
>
> The problem with using those statistics is that those only show
operational
> equipment (atleast that is how I understand it), so damaged equipment
would
> show as a loss too.
>
>

Yes, but the Yugoslavs have returned the same figures since their return to
the treaty status in late 1999. This equipment was written-off from the
inventory and openly declared. In terms of combat vehicles lost this
included both MUP and VJ inventories. In terms of which arm suffered the
most was revealed by the Yugoslav military themselves.

In interviews during 2001 Yugoslav air force Col. Radovan Rakovic stated:

"All our airports on the ground suffered great damage," Rakovic said. The
Yugoslav air force, he
said, lost about 30 percent of its combat equipment and 40 percent of its
combat systems."

In regards to Yugoslav Air Force losses Gen Pavkovic revealed:

"Pavkovic believes the Yugoslav military was successful overall because it
suffered relatively few
casualties and managed to hold on to many of its weapons systems. The lone
exception, he said, was
the Yugoslav air force, which "suffered considerable losses."

The figures for the lost aircraft only show the combat aircraft lost during
the conflict. The numbers of non-combat aircraft written-off / destroyed
during the conflict brings the figure to approx 80 airframes. Non of those
destroyed were any of the retired airframes that resided in the boneyard at
the Yugoslav Aeronautical Museum (This compound was not targeted) nor the
small number of Iraqi MiG-23s and MiG-21.


TJ

[B2431]

>From: "JasiekS"
>Date: 1/5/2004 12:33 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>
>U¿ytkownik "B2431" > napisa³ w wiadomo¶ci
...
>> (Alejandro Magno)
>> >Date: 1/4/2004 4:52 PM Central Standard Time
>> >Message-id: >
>> >
>[snip...]
>
>
>> Tell that to the Jews who were murdered starting not long after the
>invasion of
>> Poland. How about Baba Yar? That was before Wannsee. Please note the
>correct
>> spelling.
>
>Sorry, what is Baba Yar?
>

Baba Yar was the town in the Ukraine near which the Nazis slaughtered 35,000
Jews 29 - 30 September 1941. Over the next few months several thousand more
Jews were murdered there.

Add that to the non Jews murdered there the official estimates are 100,000
human beings were murdered there.

The Wannsee Conference was 20 January 1942.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

[Alejandro Magno]

(robert arndt) wrote
> Thanks for amusing us with that cleverly documented joke Alejandro.
> Now the facts. No funding, no fuel, no pay for your troops, rotting
> rusted navy, non-flying aircraft, electronic obsolescence, reduced to
> third place arms exporters, no supersoldier program, no firearms
> replacements, no new tanks, aircraft, etc... except a few new subs and
> missiles that hopefully won't explode while undergoing sea trials. Add
> to this the botched theater rescue, the inability to stop terorist
> bombings in Moscow, and the inability to control Chechnya... wow!
> Newest thing the Russian Army did for its troops was throw a "beauty
> contest" to recruit women! Nice.
> Rob

http://www.russianeconomy.org/comments.html

Russia has a flat-tax system of 13%. America has a progresive
(communist) fiscal system.

How is the US Dollar doing ?

1.25 US Dolar = 1.00 Euro

In case, you do not understand, Euro is 25% stronger than US Dollar.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

The Sunday Telegraph (UK)
4 January 2004
Why they're rushing into Russia
By Liam Hannigan
Liam Halligan is Economics Correspondent at Channnel Four News

Had you invested in the Russian stock market at this time last year,
you would be sitting, in dollar terms, on a tidy 50 per cent profit.
But had you sold those same Russian investments back in October, after
10 months rather than 12, you would have made even more, reaping
closer to 70 per cent.

What happened in October was the dramatic arrest, at gunpoint, of
Mikhail Khodorkovsky, Russia's richest man, who was chief executive of
the oil giant Yukos.

One of the controversial "oligarchs" who grabbed immense wealth during
the chaotic and often lawless privatisations of the mid-1990s,
Khodorkovsky had taken to bankrolling parties opposed to the Kremlin
and had therefore become a nuisance to President Putin.

The decision to jail him - on charges of tax evasion - raised eyebrows
among the international investors who dominate Russia's stock market.

For a few weeks shares fell, amid talk of "renationalisation" and a
return to the "bad old days" of post-Communist chaos. But investor
unease is starting to evaporate. Having flinched, the money men are
focusing on Russia's new and coveted "investment grade" credit rating
from Moody's.

No matter that Khodorkovsky will remain in jail at least until late
March (or after the presidential elections that are likely to give
Putin a second term), the Russian market should continue to surge this
year because there are many good reasons to put money into the
economy.

The obvious draw is the booming economy. Having spluttered since the
break-up of the Soviet Union, Russia is getting into gear. The closely
watched Moscow Narodny Bank manufacturing and services indices broke
records last month, pointing to gross domestic product growth of 8 per
cent.

The economic performance has been "awesome", according to the latest
analysis by UBS investment bank. "A conservative fiscal policy, huge
external surpluses and rapidly rising incomes have combined with
higher productivity and tax reform to transform Russia into one of the
most dynamic emerging markets," it says.

Since the 1998 rouble collapse, economic management has improved no
end. Inflation has been squeezed and hard currency reserves hit a
fresh high last month, despite fears that Khodorkovsky's arrest would
spark a flight of capital.

Sceptics say this success has been too dependent on high oil prices.
Russia emerged during 2003 as the world's leading crude exporter,
ahead of Saudi Arabia. And at near $30-a-barrel oil, Russia's energy
giants - the likes of Lukoil, Gazprom and Sibneft - have bolstered
equities overall.

But the likelihood is that continued global recovery should boost
energy demand in 2004 too, particularly in Asia, keeping oil prices
firm. If that happens - and expected Opec quota cuts suggest it will -
Russia's energy sector will deliver anew for investors.

"The big commodities outfits here are simply faster growing and better
value than any similar companies in the world," says Mattias Westman,
the co-founder of Prosperity Capital Management, which runs several
Russia-dedicated funds.

You can see his point: Gazprom boasts a third of the world's known gas
reserves, and yet is valued at only $20bn (a fraction of what a
comparable Western company, if there were such a thing, would be
worth).

Meanwhile, there is momentum beyond energy. "The oil and gas sectors
are shamed by the rates of growth in consumer spending, retail and
services," says Roland Nash, the head of Research at the Moscow-based
Renaissance Capital. "Each day that passes makes the economy a little
less vulnerable to oil shocks."

Impressive non-oil growth is seen in telecoms. Higher incomes mean 23
per cent of Russians now have mobile phones, up from just 10 per cent
last year. Vimplecom, a major operator, has posted a 78 per cent rise
in third-quarter profits. Russian telecoms, along with utilities,
offer investment opportunities.

So while the pre-trial incarceration of Khodorkovsky should not be
regarded as irrelevant, international investors are more impressed by
Putin's economic record than they are outraged by a bit of oligarch
bashing. Anyway, investing in emerging economies has never been for
the squeamish.

Russia's new generation of billionaires such as Khodorkovsky are not
heroes of the narod, or ordinary voters. Keeping him in jail for the
presidential campaign will probably help Putin win more votes - and
the unedifying truth in a country not famous for stable democracy is
that that will probably add a few more points to the stock market.

[Alejandro Magno]

"Schelkunchik" > wrote
> You could take the Argentinian military from the Falklands war and kick
> Russia's butt.

Only 200 Holy Russian warriors were sufficient to humilate the entire zio-NATO:
http://www.lebensraum.org/english/zgrams/zgram_toc.html

Is that funny for you, kike ?

Magno

[Buffy the Vampire Slayer]

"Alejandro Magno" > wrote in message
om...
> (robert arndt) wrote
> > Thanks for amusing us with that cleverly documented joke Alejandro.
> > Now the facts. No funding, no fuel, no pay for your troops, rotting
> > rusted navy, non-flying aircraft, electronic obsolescence, reduced to
> > third place arms exporters, no supersoldier program, no firearms
> > replacements, no new tanks, aircraft, etc... except a few new subs and
> > missiles that hopefully won't explode while undergoing sea trials. Add
> > to this the botched theater rescue, the inability to stop terorist
> > bombings in Moscow, and the inability to control Chechnya... wow!
> > Newest thing the Russian Army did for its troops was throw a "beauty
> > contest" to recruit women! Nice.
> > Rob
>
> http://www.russianeconomy.org/comments.html
>
> Russia has a flat-tax system of 13%. America has a progresive
> (communist) fiscal system.
>

13% of nothing is nothing. Too bad there are only a handful of Russians that
make money AND pay their taxes.

> How is the US Dollar doing ?
>
> 1.25 US Dolar = 1.00 Euro
>
> In case, you do not understand, Euro is 25% stronger than US Dollar.
>

Yep. It means US goods are cheap and European exports are effectively
blocked from US markets...so who needs the WTO?

> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
>
> The Sunday Telegraph (UK)
> 4 January 2004
> Why they're rushing into Russia
> By Liam Hannigan
> Liam Halligan is Economics Correspondent at Channnel Four News
>
> Had you invested in the Russian stock market at this time last year,
> you would be sitting, in dollar terms, on a tidy 50 per cent profit.
> But had you sold those same Russian investments back in October, after
> 10 months rather than 12, you would have made even more, reaping
> closer to 70 per cent.
>
> What happened in October was the dramatic arrest, at gunpoint, of
> Mikhail Khodorkovsky, Russia's richest man, who was chief executive of
> the oil giant Yukos.
>
> One of the controversial "oligarchs" who grabbed immense wealth during
> the chaotic and often lawless privatisations of the mid-1990s,
> Khodorkovsky had taken to bankrolling parties opposed to the Kremlin
> and had therefore become a nuisance to President Putin.
>
> The decision to jail him - on charges of tax evasion - raised eyebrows
> among the international investors who dominate Russia's stock market.
>
> For a few weeks shares fell, amid talk of "renationalisation" and a
> return to the "bad old days" of post-Communist chaos. But investor
> unease is starting to evaporate. Having flinched, the money men are
> focusing on Russia's new and coveted "investment grade" credit rating
> from Moody's.
>
> No matter that Khodorkovsky will remain in jail at least until late
> March (or after the presidential elections that are likely to give
> Putin a second term), the Russian market should continue to surge this
> year because there are many good reasons to put money into the
> economy.
>
> The obvious draw is the booming economy. Having spluttered since the
> break-up of the Soviet Union, Russia is getting into gear. The closely
> watched Moscow Narodny Bank manufacturing and services indices broke
> records last month, pointing to gross domestic product growth of 8 per
> cent.
>
> The economic performance has been "awesome", according to the latest
> analysis by UBS investment bank. "A conservative fiscal policy, huge
> external surpluses and rapidly rising incomes have combined with
> higher productivity and tax reform to transform Russia into one of the
> most dynamic emerging markets," it says.
>
> Since the 1998 rouble collapse, economic management has improved no
> end. Inflation has been squeezed and hard currency reserves hit a
> fresh high last month, despite fears that Khodorkovsky's arrest would
> spark a flight of capital.
>
> Sceptics say this success has been too dependent on high oil prices.
> Russia emerged during 2003 as the world's leading crude exporter,
> ahead of Saudi Arabia. And at near $30-a-barrel oil, Russia's energy
> giants - the likes of Lukoil, Gazprom and Sibneft - have bolstered
> equities overall.
>
> But the likelihood is that continued global recovery should boost
> energy demand in 2004 too, particularly in Asia, keeping oil prices
> firm. If that happens - and expected Opec quota cuts suggest it will -
> Russia's energy sector will deliver anew for investors.
>
> "The big commodities outfits here are simply faster growing and better
> value than any similar companies in the world," says Mattias Westman,
> the co-founder of Prosperity Capital Management, which runs several
> Russia-dedicated funds.
>
> You can see his point: Gazprom boasts a third of the world's known gas
> reserves, and yet is valued at only $20bn (a fraction of what a
> comparable Western company, if there were such a thing, would be
> worth).
>
> Meanwhile, there is momentum beyond energy. "The oil and gas sectors
> are shamed by the rates of growth in consumer spending, retail and
> services," says Roland Nash, the head of Research at the Moscow-based
> Renaissance Capital. "Each day that passes makes the economy a little
> less vulnerable to oil shocks."
>
> Impressive non-oil growth is seen in telecoms. Higher incomes mean 23
> per cent of Russians now have mobile phones, up from just 10 per cent
> last year. Vimplecom, a major operator, has posted a 78 per cent rise
> in third-quarter profits. Russian telecoms, along with utilities,
> offer investment opportunities.
>
> So while the pre-trial incarceration of Khodorkovsky should not be
> regarded as irrelevant, international investors are more impressed by
> Putin's economic record than they are outraged by a bit of oligarch
> bashing. Anyway, investing in emerging economies has never been for
> the squeamish.
>
> Russia's new generation of billionaires such as Khodorkovsky are not
> heroes of the narod, or ordinary voters. Keeping him in jail for the
> presidential campaign will probably help Putin win more votes - and
> the unedifying truth in a country not famous for stable democracy is
> that that will probably add a few more points to the stock market.

[Alejandro Magno]

"Schelkunchik" > wrote:
> You could take the Argentinian military from the Falklands war and kick
> Russia's butt.

Only 200 Holy Russian warriors were suffient to humilate the entire zio-NATO:
http://www.lebensraum.org/english/zgrams/zg1999/zg9906/990614.html

Is that funny for you, "happy" american ?

Magno

[B2431]

(Alejandro Magno)
>
>
(B2431) wrote
>> KAL 007 ring a bell?
>> If you are going to bash be fair about it.
>> Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired
>
>KAL 007
>
>"Happy" Americans using civilian aircraft to spy on the EMPIRE.
>Americans are not only "Happy", they are chickens, too. They send
>women and children in a civilian aircfraft to do a man's job.
>

Actually the Soviet's air defense confused KAL 007 with an RC-135 that had
already left the vicinity. You beloved Soviet's plan to shoot first and ask
questions later resulted in the deaths of civilians. Your heroes were so proud
of what they did they hid the evidence.

The entire incident would not have occured if your Soviets didn't weren't in
the habit of shooting aircraft down.

Name one time the U.S. shot down a Soviet aircraft in U.S. air space.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

[Buffy the Vampire Slayer]

"Alejandro Magno" > wrote in message
om...
> "Schelkunchik" > wrote
> > You could take the Argentinian military from the Falklands war and kick
> > Russia's butt.
>
> Only 200 Holy Russian warriors were sufficient to humilate the entire
zio-NATO:
> http://www.lebensraum.org/english/zgrams/zgram_toc.html
>
> Is that funny for you, kike ?
>
> Magno

Why are you so ****ed up? Are you from Barcelona?

[Buffy the Vampire Slayer]

"Alejandro Magno" > wrote in message
om...
> "Schelkunchik" > wrote:
> > You could take the Argentinian military from the Falklands war and kick
> > Russia's butt.
>
> Only 200 Holy Russian warriors were suffient to humilate the entire
zio-NATO:
> http://www.lebensraum.org/english/zgrams/zg1999/zg9906/990614.html
>
> Is that funny for you, "happy" american ?
>
> Magno

You need to cut back on the olive oil enemas.

[Keith Willshaw]

"Alejandro Magno" > wrote in message
om...
> "Schelkunchik" > wrote:
> > You could take the Argentinian military from the Falklands war and kick
> > Russia's butt.
>
> Only 200 Holy Russian warriors were suffient to humilate the entire
zio-NATO:
> http://www.lebensraum.org/english/zgrams/zg1999/zg9906/990614.html
>

Given that they were the ones begging for food and water from
the British troops occupying Pristina you have a strange idea
of who was humiliated.

Keith

[B2431]

(Alejandro Magno)
>Date: 1/5/2004 4:43 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>"Schelkunchik" > wrote
>> You could take the Argentinian military from the Falklands war and kick
>> Russia's butt.
>
>Only 200 Holy Russian warriors were sufficient to humilate the entire
>zio-NATO:
>http://www.lebensraum.org/english/zgrams/zgram_toc.html
>
>Is that funny for you, kike ?
>
>Magno
>
Aha, magno shows his true colours.

Now tell us ALL about ZOG and the great international Zionist conspiracies.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

[Buffy the Vampire Slayer]

"Keith Willshaw" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Alejandro Magno" > wrote in message
> om...
> > "Schelkunchik" > wrote:
> > > You could take the Argentinian military from the Falklands war and
kick
> > > Russia's butt.
> >
> > Only 200 Holy Russian warriors were suffient to humilate the entire
> zio-NATO:
> > http://www.lebensraum.org/english/zgrams/zg1999/zg9906/990614.html
> >
>
> Given that they were the ones begging for food and water from
> the British troops occupying Pristina you have a strange idea
> of who was humiliated.
>
> Keith
>
>

Yes Al, it is funny. Very funny. The US asked Bulgaria and Romania to block
Russian overflights and they did. The Russians couldn't resupply their brave
heroes at Pristina and had to withdraw. If you're a world power, you don't
have to go home cryin' to yo momma...but the Russians did.

Bwahahhahhahahahhahahahahahahahah!

[Alejandro Magno]

http://reuters.com/financeNewsArticle.jhtml%3Bjsessionid%3DF2STOI0LCN IZCCRBAEKSFEY?type=businessNews&storyID=4072089

[Alejandro Magno]

(B2431) wrote
> Aha, magno shows his true colours.
> Now tell us ALL about ZOG and the great international Zionist conspiracies.
> Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

A CATACLYSM

The Russians already started to roll the ball:
http://www.lebensraum.org/english/zgrams/zg1999/zg9906/990614.html


The sound of their brave singing is heard! We are coming, brave
comrades!

Your White Aryan brothers in England, Greece, Sweden, Nigeria,
Iceland, America, South Africa, Italy, France, Denmark, Argentina,
Chile, Mother Russia, Scandinavia, Brazil, Canada, Serbia --
EVERYWHERE -- hear you! We are COMING! MARCHING! FIGHTING! The Great
Day of JUSTICE DRAWS NIGH!

THIS TIME the traitors will not be able to find any group of White Men
anywhere who will listen to their lies and go and murder the Jews'
enemies for them. There will be no place to hide...no place to start
their eternal game of friendly subversion of their unsuspecting
hosts...no place to generate their infernal hates and fratricidal wars
.... no place to set up their anvil of capitalist exploitation and
their hammer of Communist revolution and slaughter.

THIS TIME the traitors will have only one place left in which they can
at last find respite from the insane hate-monster which has been
eating out their diseased hearts for six thousand years! ... And we
shall provide that final solace. With deadly, incredible irony, fate
is now repeating what happened in Germany -- on a world -- wide scale!

THIS TIME we shall not be soft-hearted and gentle like the Great Man
who refused to use his tanks to slaughter the helpless British at
Dunkirk because he believed even Churchill had some honor and loyalty
to Britain and the White Race left.

THIS TIME we shall not be content with "minding our own business" here
while the Jews stir up another, world war to wash us away in oceans of
irreplaceable White blood!

THIS TIME we shall not permit traitors to "escape" so that they can
move in and betray them as the German Communist Jews did to America.
None shall pass or escape retribution, not one!

THIS TIME we shall not put our faith in anything or anybody but
ourselves, and our unshakable will, impelled onward by an inscrutable
destiny which has already demonstrated its determination to resurrect
the good whenever it is crucified by evil, as it is now all over the
wretched planet.

THIS TIME we shall not rest nor lower our arm until the very last
human rat and red snake is beaten to death, no matter how they squirm
and crawl from pole to pole or from mountain top to jungle swamp!

THE LAST TIME our leader showed the way to victory in one single area
of the earth. "Today Germany!" he predicted "TOMORROW THE WORLD!!"


The result ---> http://www.imperium-europa.org

References:
http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=1382

http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=1073

http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=1388

Alexander the Great !!!! (I want my Empire back)

[Alejandro Magno]

(B2431) wrote in
> >There is no debate. Soviet Union won the war in Europe. Stalingrad the
> >largest battle in the history. Kurks the largest tank battle.
>
> It's spelled Kursk.

You must not be american. You are inteligent.

Americans have a great education:
http://www.ocpathink.org/Education/WhyCantJohnnyRead.html
"In the government schools, hundreds of thousands of graduates from
the twelfth grade cannot read their own diplomas...."

Magno

[Chad Irby]

In article >,
(Alejandro Magno) wrote:

> A CATACLYSM

Oooookay.

One more loon.

--
cirby at cfl.rr.com

Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations.
Slam on brakes accordingly.

[B2431]

>From: (Alejandro Magno)


(B2431) wrote in
>> >There is no debate. Soviet Union won the war in Europe. Stalingrad the
>> >largest battle in the history. Kurks the largest tank battle.
>>
>> It's spelled Kursk.
>
>You must not be american. You are inteligent.
>

Not only am I American I am a Jew also.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[B2431]

(Alejandro Magno)

>
(B2431) wrote
>> Aha, magno shows his true colours.
>> Now tell us ALL about ZOG and the great international Zionist conspiracies.
>
>> Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired
>
>A CATACLYSM
>
<snip>
>
>Your White Aryan brothers in England, Greece, Sweden, Nigeria,
>Iceland, America, South Africa, Italy, France, Denmark, Argentina,
>Chile, Mother Russia, Scandinavia, Brazil, Canada, Serbia --
>EVERYWHERE -- hear you! We are COMING! MARCHING! FIGHTING! The Great
>Day of JUSTICE DRAWS NIGH!
>
>
Firstly there is not now, nor has there ever been, an "aryan" race.

Nigeria = mostly black
U.S.A. = mostly non "aryan"
South Africa = mostly black
Argentina and Chile = mostly non white
"Mother" Russia = primarily non white.
Brazil = mostly non white
Serbia = mostly Slavic

One sixth of the world's population is Chinese. What percentage is "aryan?"

If your name is any guide you are not "aryan" either.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[B2431]

>From: Chad Irby
>Date: 1/5/2004 9:36 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>In article >,
> (Alejandro Magno) wrote:
>
>> A CATACLYSM
>
>Oooookay.
>
>One more loon.
>
>--
>cirby at cfl.rr.com

Hey, don't insult loons. They are nice birds.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[Krztalizer]

>
>You must not be american. You are inteligent.
>

Its spelled "intelligent", loon. Saayyy, do they have schools where YOU are
from, Mango?

[Alejandro Magno]

(B2431) wrote

> (Alejandro Magno)
> >Only 200 Holy Russian warriors were sufficient to humilate the entire
> >zio-NATO:
> >http://www.lebensraum.org/english/zgrams/zgram_toc.html
> >Is that funny for you, kike ?
> >Magno

> Aha, magno shows his true colours.
> Now tell us ALL about ZOG and the great international Zionist conspiracies.
> Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired


Americans are Christians, but a special kind of
Christians, Christians who do not read the BIBLE.

Learn from me, lets spell the word "BIBLE".

B. Basic
I. Intructions
B. Before
L. Leaving
E. Earth

Are you still with me or is it too complicated ?

Now, lets read the BIBLE, today passage is John 7:13

"Others replied, "No, he deceives the people." But no one would say
anything publicly about him for fear of the Jews."

Do not believe me ?

http://www.biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible?language=english&passage=John+7:13&version=NIV

Read the entire chapter John 7

Magno

[Alejandro Magno]

(B2431) wrote

> (Alejandro Magno)
> >Only 200 Holy Russian warriors were sufficient to humilate the entire
> >zio-NATO:
> >http://www.lebensraum.org/english/zgrams/zgram_toc.html
> >Is that funny for you, kike ?
> >Magno

> Aha, magno shows his true colours.
> Now tell us ALL about ZOG and the great international Zionist conspiracies.
> Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired


An American Hero:
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Bunker/1048/
http://www.angelfire.com/ga/GeneralLee01/

The American Flag:
http://www.csagalleries.com/images/Confederate%20Flag.jpg

Magno

[Alejandro Magno]

Chad Irby > wrote in message >...
> In article >,
> (Alejandro Magno) wrote:
>
> > A CATACLYSM
>
> Oooookay.
>
> One more loon.

This is what I care about:

http://www.whitechildren.com/white_extinction_natall.swf
http://www.whitechildren.com

Nothing else

Spartano

[JasiekS]

Uzytkownik "B2431" > napisal w wiadomosci
...
> >From: "JasiekS"
> >Date: 1/5/2004 12:33 PM Central Standard Time
> >Message-id: >
> >
> >
> >U¿ytkownik "B2431" > napisa³ w wiadomo¶ci
> ...
> >> (Alejandro Magno)
> >> >Date: 1/4/2004 4:52 PM Central Standard Time
> >> >Message-id: >
> >> >
> >[snip...]
> >
> >
> >> Tell that to the Jews who were murdered starting not long after the
> >invasion of
> >> Poland. How about Baba Yar? That was before Wannsee. Please note the
> >correct
> >> spelling.
> >
> >Sorry, what is Baba Yar?
> >
>
> Baba Yar was the town in the Ukraine near which the Nazis slaughtered
35,000
> Jews 29 - 30 September 1941. Over the next few months several thousand
more
> Jews were murdered there.

OK! Polish name was 'Babi Jar' (Ukraine was part of Poland pre-WWII),
Ukrainian 'Babii Yar' or 'Babyn Yar', Russian 'Babushkin Yar'. I don't know
from where it become 'Baba Yar' but in fact Google shows lots of links with
this name.

>
> Add that to the non Jews murdered there the official estimates are 100,000
> human beings were murdered there.
>
> The Wannsee Conference was 20 January 1942.
>
> Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

JasiekS
Warsaw, Poland

[Keith Willshaw]

"Alejandro Magno" > wrote in message
om...
> (B2431) wrote
> > Aha, magno shows his true colours.
> > Now tell us ALL about ZOG and the great international Zionist
conspiracies.
> > Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired
>
> A CATACLYSM
>
> The Russians already started to roll the ball:
> http://www.lebensraum.org/english/zgrams/zg1999/zg9906/990614.html
>
>
> The sound of their brave singing is heard! We are coming, brave
> comrades!
>
> Your White Aryan brothers in England, Greece, Sweden, Nigeria,
> Iceland, America, South Africa, Italy, France, Denmark, Argentina,
> Chile, Mother Russia, Scandinavia, Brazil, Canada, Serbia --
> EVERYWHERE -- hear you! We are COMING! MARCHING! FIGHTING! The Great
> Day of JUSTICE DRAWS NIGH!

I hate to tell you this old boy but Nigerians and the majority of
South Africans and Brazilians are not white.

ISTR that the Russians were regarded by the Aryan master race
as sub human Slavs so I suspect you just failed your entrance
exam for the SS

You are one of the most entertaining loons we have seen
for some time, please keep posting.

Keith

[Alejandro Magno]

"Ragnar" > wrote in message >...
> I would note that Kursk was fought by the SOVIETS, not the Russians.

Thanks, I did not know that there were not Russians in the Soviet Army.
Thanks, you are brilliant, "happy" american.

Magno

[Alejandro Magno]

"Buffy the Vampire Slayer" wrote

> > How is the US Dollar doing ?
> > 1.25 US Dolar = 1.00 Euro
> > In case, you do not understand, Euro is 25% stronger than US Dollar.
> >
>
> Yep. It means US goods are cheap and European exports are effectively
> blocked from US markets...so who needs the WTO?

Wow!!!!!!!!!, Americans think like a Fifth World nation. That is how
poor countries think.

If the Euro were losing value against the US Dollar, you would be
crying how stupid the Europeans are.

http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=1388

Magno

[Alejandro Magno]

"Keith Willshaw" wrote
> "Alejandro Magno" > wrote in message

> > A CATACLYSM
> > The Russians already started to roll the ball:
> > http://www.lebensraum.org/english/zgrams/zg1999/zg9906/990614.html

> > The sound of their brave singing is heard! We are coming, brave
> > comrades!
> >
> > Your White Aryan brothers in England, Greece, Sweden, Nigeria,
> > Iceland, America, South Africa, Italy, France, Denmark, Argentina,
> > Chile, Mother Russia, Scandinavia, Brazil, Canada, Serbia --
> > EVERYWHERE -- hear you! We are COMING! MARCHING! FIGHTING! The Great
> > Day of JUSTICE DRAWS NIGH!
>
> I hate to tell you this old boy but Nigerians and the majority of
> South Africans and Brazilians are not white.

Nobody said that the majority was White.

> ISTR that the Russians were regarded by the Aryan master race
> as sub human Slavs so I suspect you just failed your entrance
> exam for the SS

Thinhs have changed. All White people of the World will unite and form
http://www.imperium-europa.org , of course race traitors will be sent
to Africa to enjoy African tolerance and culture:
http://www.radicalracism.com

Operation: "Take Over Europa":
http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=1073

Cataclysm: http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=1382

> You are one of the most entertaining loons we have seen
> for some time, please keep posting.

Your wishes are my orders.

Magno

[Alejandro Magno]

(B2431) wrote

> >From: (Alejandro Magno)
> >You must not be american. You are inteligent.


> Not only am I American I am a Jew also.
> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

O.K. Go back into the oven, kike.

All Jews will be expelled from http://www.imperium-europa.org

Magno

[Alejandro Magno]

(Krztalizer) wrote in message >...
> >
> >You must not be american. You are inteligent.
> >
>
> Its spelled "intelligent", loon. Saayyy, do they have schools where YOU are
> from, Mango?

My English teacher was a black American.

http://www.nationalvanguard.org/docs/joyner_shark.mp3

Magno

[Alejandro Magno]

"Buffy the Vampire Slayer" wrote
> "Alejandro Magno" > wrote in message

> > Only 200 Holy Russian warriors were sufficient to humilate the entire
> zio-NATO:
> > http://www.lebensraum.org/english/zgrams/zgram_toc.html
> > Is that funny for you, kike ?
> > Magno

> Why are you so ****ed up? Are you from Barcelona?

God Bless Generalassimo Franco !!!!!!!!
God Bless Generalassimo Franco !!!!!!!!
God Bless Generalassimo Franco !!!!!!!!
God Bless Generalassimo Franco !!!!!!!!
God Bless Generalassimo Franco !!!!!!!!

Franco, Pinochet, Mussolini ----> Heros.

Had Bush been Pinochet, America would be again a great nation.
http://www.nationalist.org/alt/2003/nov/pinochet.html

Magno
http://www.imperium-europa.org

[Alejandro Magno]

"Jarg" wrote
> The whole suggestion that KAL 700 was a spy plane has been thoroughly
> discredited.

If I were a "happy" and chicken american, I would had denied it, too.

Sending women and children in a passanger aircraft to do a man's job.
Sounds jewish to me.

Are you from Jewmerica ?

Magno
http://www.imperium-europa.org

[Alejandro Magno]

(B2431) wrote in message >...

> Actually the Soviet's air defense confused KAL 007 with an RC-135 that had
> already left the vicinity. You beloved Soviet's plan to shoot first and ask
> questions later resulted in the deaths of civilians. Your heroes were so
> proud of what they did they hid the evidence.

The Korean pilot received 3 warnings.
1) Radio communication. He did not respond. Pilot deaf.
2) Su-15 making manouvers in front of the Korean plane, pilot blind.
3) Su-15 firing his cannon to warn the Korean pilot. Pilot deaf and blind.

> Name one time the U.S. shot down a Soviet aircraft in U.S. air space.

None, American technology can only shoot their own civilian aircraft, TWA 800.

Magno

[Alejandro Magno]

(BUFDRVR) wrote in message
> Wrong. I've *personally* seen pictures of a dozen destroyed tanks and armored
> vehicles. The "8 or 9 tank" myth came from the Yugoslavs after the conflict
> ended who were embarrased to admit they got waxed and could only manage to
> shoot down 2 aircraft and cause zero casulties.
> BUFDRVR

Did you see those dozen destroyed tanks and armored vehicles in your
dreams when you were sleeping ?

American and zio-NATO attacked an independent and Christian nation to
steal her territory to give it to some Muslims terrorists. Only
Americans ......

But the Holy Imperial Russian soldiers humilated them in Pristina.

God Save the Tsar Vladimir Putin !!!
God Bless Holy Imperial Mother Russia !!!
God Bless all Christian nations of the World !!!

The other nations can go to Hell, I could not care less.

Magno
http://www.radicalracism.com

[Alejandro Magno]

(B2431) wrote

> (Alejandro Magno)
> >Your White Aryan brothers in England, Greece, Sweden, Nigeria,
> >Iceland, America, South Africa, Italy, France, Denmark, Argentina,
> >Chile, Mother Russia, Scandinavia, Brazil, Canada, Serbia --
> >EVERYWHERE -- hear you! We are COMING! MARCHING! FIGHTING! The Great
> >Day of JUSTICE DRAWS NIGH!


> Firstly there is not now, nor has there ever been, an "aryan" race.
> Nigeria = mostly black
> U.S.A. = mostly non "aryan"
> South Africa = mostly black
> Argentina and Chile = mostly non white
> "Mother" Russia = primarily non white.
> Brazil = mostly non white
> Serbia = mostly Slavic
> One sixth of the world's population is Chinese. What percentage is "aryan?"
> If your name is any guide you are not "aryan" either.

Blame the author: http://www.skrewdriver.org.uk/tttwcont.html

For Aryan I meant White. Celts, Teutonics, Romans, Greek, Slavs,
AngloSaxons, etc...

For Argentina and Chile read:
http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=1388

The other countries have significant White populations, too. They will
expell all the non-Whites to create http://www.imperium-europa.org

Jews and Muslims will be expelled, too.
"On December 7, 2003, the Russian people sent the Jews a message:
Beware. We're coming." :
http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=1426

http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=1533
http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=1532
http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=1382

Magno

[Buffy the Vampire Slayer]

"Alejandro Magno" > wrote in message
om...
> "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" wrote
>
> > > How is the US Dollar doing ?
> > > 1.25 US Dolar = 1.00 Euro
> > > In case, you do not understand, Euro is 25% stronger than US Dollar.
> > >
> >
> > Yep. It means US goods are cheap and European exports are effectively
> > blocked from US markets...so who needs the WTO?
>
> Wow!!!!!!!!!, Americans think like a Fifth World nation. That is how
> poor countries think.
>
> If the Euro were losing value against the US Dollar, you would be
> crying how stupid the Europeans are.
>

Europeans are stupid all the time. They don't need a special occasion for
that.

> http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=1388
>
> Magno

[Keith Willshaw]

"Alejandro Magno" > wrote in message
m...
> "Ragnar" > wrote in message
>...
> > I would note that Kursk was fought by the SOVIETS, not the Russians.
>
> Thanks, I did not know that there were not Russians in the Soviet Army.

You are a fool.

The Soviet Army included Georgians, Armenians, Ukranians, ByeloRussians,
Uzbeks, Kazajhs etc. etc.

Keith

[Jarg]

This is way out of line. You should be ashamed of yourself. And you are
undoubtedly in violation of your ISP agreement.

Jarg

"Alejandro Magno" > wrote in message
om...
> (B2431) wrote
>
> > >From: (Alejandro Magno)
> > >You must not be american. You are inteligent.
>
>
> > Not only am I American I am a Jew also.
> > Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
>
> O.K. Go back into the oven, kike.
>
> All Jews will be expelled from http://www.imperium-europa.org
>
> Magno

[Jarg]

It was a Korean airliner in case you didn't know. And the only people who
believe it was a spy plane were the usual conspiracy wackos. There is not
one iota of evidence that suggests otherwise.

I am from the United States and proud of it. I've seen quite a bit of the
world and there is nowhere I would rather be, nor any place I would rather
be from. Our diversity is one of our many strengths, and the Jews are among
those that have contributed to our nations greatness. What piece of ****
third rate country are you from?

Jarg

"Alejandro Magno" > wrote in message
om...
> "Jarg" wrote
> > The whole suggestion that KAL 700 was a spy plane has been thoroughly
> > discredited.
>
> If I were a "happy" and chicken american, I would had denied it, too.
>
> Sending women and children in a passanger aircraft to do a man's job.
> Sounds jewish to me.
>
> Are you from Jewmerica ?
>
> Magno
> http://www.imperium-europa.org

[Jarg]

You don't have a clue about economics do you.

Jarg

"Alejandro Magno" > wrote in message
om...
> "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" wrote
>
> > > How is the US Dollar doing ?
> > > 1.25 US Dolar = 1.00 Euro
> > > In case, you do not understand, Euro is 25% stronger than US Dollar.
> > >
> >
> > Yep. It means US goods are cheap and European exports are effectively
> > blocked from US markets...so who needs the WTO?
>
> Wow!!!!!!!!!, Americans think like a Fifth World nation. That is how
> poor countries think.
>
> If the Euro were losing value against the US Dollar, you would be
> crying how stupid the Europeans are.
>
> http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=1388
>
> Magno

[Krztalizer]

>> I would note that Kursk was fought by the SOVIETS, not the Russians.
>
>Thanks, I did not know that there were not Russians in the Soviet Army.
>Thanks, you are brilliant, "happy" american.

Kursk was fought by conscripts, many of whom had to be taught simply commands
in Russian so they could follow orders, since they came from far-off republics
on the orders of the Communists. Kursk was a victory of one totalitarian
state's army against another - something to be *very* proud of, Alexander the
not too bright.

[Keith Willshaw]

"Jarg" > wrote in message
.. .
> This is way out of line. You should be ashamed of yourself. And you are
> undoubtedly in violation of your ISP agreement.
>
> Jarg
>

He appears to be posting from Mexico
via Telmex

nic-hdl: SRU
person: SEGURIDAD DE RED UNINET
e-mail:
address: PERIFERICO SUR, 3190, ALVARO OBREG
address: 01900 - MEXICO - DF
country: MX

I believe that country passed legislation in 2003 making anti-semitic
behaviour unlawful

Personally i simply intend to add his name to my killfile.

Keith

[Paul J. Adam]

In message >, Alejandro
Magno > writes
>For Aryan I meant White. Celts, Teutonics, Romans, Greek, Slavs,
>AngloSaxons, etc...

Slavs are Aryans? Don't tell Hitler!

TURKEY TROTS TO WATER Are you for real or are you trailing a bevy of
baited hooks? THE WORLD WONDERS

--
When you have to kill a man, it costs nothing to be polite.
W S Churchill

Paul J. Adam MainBox<at>jrwlynch[dot]demon{dot}co(.)uk

[Guy Wastiaux]

The end's the best part of your message :D

Alejandro Magno wrote:
> But the Holy Imperial Russian soldiers humilated them in Pristina.
>
> God Save the Tsar Vladimir Putin !!!
> God Bless Holy Imperial Mother Russia !!!
> God Bless all Christian nations of the World !!!

[Paul J. Adam]

In message >, Alejandro
Magno > writes
(B2431) wrote in message news:<20040105180407.
>...
>> Actually the Soviet's air defense confused KAL 007 with an RC-135 that had
>> already left the vicinity. You beloved Soviet's plan to shoot first and ask
>> questions later resulted in the deaths of civilians. Your heroes were so
>> proud of what they did they hid the evidence.
>
>The Korean pilot received 3 warnings.
>1) Radio communication. He did not respond. Pilot deaf.

What frequency, what language, and who picked this up?

>2) Su-15 making manouvers in front of the Korean plane, pilot blind.

It was night-time, and military aircraft are camouflaged. What
manoeuvres did he make? What lights was he displaying?

>3) Su-15 firing his cannon to warn the Korean pilot. Pilot deaf and blind.

Su-15 isn't fitted with a cannon. (Carries a gunpod sometimes, but then
you don't load modern aircraft cannon with tracer). So he fires his
cannon... firing dark shells into the night. Yep, that's a good idea,
really obviously.

Su-15 then fires two missiles into a civilian airliner, shooting it down
and killing everyone on board.


>> Name one time the U.S. shot down a Soviet aircraft in U.S. air space.
>
>None, American technology can only shoot their own civilian aircraft, TWA 800.

<BING!> We have a winner!

So, Alejandro, which version of the Great TWA800 Missul Conspiracy do
_you_ subscribe to? Was it the invisible AEGIS destroyer? The PacFlt
Sprucan with an "experimental missile"? Was it the fictional long-range
land-based sea-skimming SAM? Was it Bill Clinton in a Boston Whaler with
a Stinger? Or the Iranian submarine firing a rail-launched AIM-54? Just
which conspiracy do you expect us to believe here? (There are so
_many_...)


You'd be a better-researched troll if you'd cited IA655 rather than
TWA800 - that one's far less ambiguous in overview and more arguable in
the details. Unfortunately it was also well outside the US ADIZ.

--
When you have to kill a man, it costs nothing to be polite.
W S Churchill

Paul J. Adam MainBox<at>jrwlynch[dot]demon{dot}co(.)uk

[BUFDRVR]

>What do you care about ?

Destroying evil racists....


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

[Alejandro Magno]

"Keith Willshaw" > wrote in message
> He appears to be posting from Mexico
> via Telmex
>
> nic-hdl: SRU
> person: SEGURIDAD DE RED UNINET
> e-mail:
> address: PERIFERICO SUR, 3190, ALVARO OBREG
> address: 01900 - MEXICO - DF
> country: MX
>
> I believe that country passed legislation in 2003 making anti-semitic
> behaviour unlawful
> Personally i simply intend to add his name to my killfile.
> Keith

I already took my medicine to control my thoughts. I suffer of
Obsesive Compulsive Disorder (OCD), I can control it with medicines,
they are very expensive, by the way.

This is a very seriuos condition, I recommend all my friends of this
thread to take the test here:
http://www.medical-library.org/journals/mddx/obsessive_compulsive_disorder/1_obsesive_compulsive_disorder.htm

Take the test, OCD is a seriuos condition. Some poeople have tried to
commit suicide, Take it seriuosly. It is no joke.

Learn more about it here:
http://www.ocfoundation.org/


The medicine help to control my thoughts.

The problem gets worse when I drink beer, New Year's eve was just few
days ago, and I still feel the efects. I will try not to drink
anymore.

I have spent a lot of money on therapy and prescription drugs. And to
make things worse I lost my dream job. Sorry I can not scan my
prescriptions to post them, I have right to PRIVACY, too.

I am looking for help somewhere else. I am sure JesusChrist can help
me, he can help everyone. He was crucifixied, and he died for all of
us. Thanks JesusChrist for giving me life, Thanks JESUS, THANKS JESUS
!!!

JESUS thanks for giving me and to every human on the planet the
oportunity to see the rays of sunlight everyday. Thanks JESUSCHRIST.

JESUS, we all love YOU !!!

http://www.movie-list.net/the-passion.mov
http://www.passion-movie.com

Magnus

[B2431]

>From: Guy Wastiaux
>Date: 1/6/2004 4:34 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>The end's the best part of your message :D
>
>Alejandro Magno wrote:
> > But the Holy Imperial Russian soldiers humilated them in Pristina.
>>
>> God Save the Tsar Vladimir Putin !!!
>> God Bless Holy Imperial Mother Russia !!!
>> God Bless all Christian nations of the World !!!
>
Should we tell him Christians are a minority in Russia?

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

[B2431]

(Alejandro Magno)
>Date: 1/6/2004 9:33 AM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
(B2431) wrote
>
>> >From: (Alejandro Magno)
>> >You must not be american. You are inteligent.
>
>
>> Not only am I American I am a Jew also.
>> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
>
>O.K. Go back into the oven, kike.
>
>All Jews will be expelled from http://www.imperium-europa.org
>
>Magno
>
The funny part is under your "aryan" hero Hitler you would have been sent to a
concentration camp or euthansized.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[Krztalizer]

go back under your bridge, magna troll

[Krztalizer]

>>2) Su-15 making manouvers in front of the Korean plane, pilot blind.
>
>It was night-time, and military aircraft are camouflaged. What
>manoeuvres did he make? What lights was he displaying?

Not to pee in the pool, but Sakhalin-based Suhkoi Su 15s were natural metal -
not that it makes an ounce of difference in this matter.

>>3) Su-15 firing his cannon to warn the Korean pilot. Pilot deaf and blind.
>
>Su-15 isn't fitted with a cannon. (Carries a gunpod sometimes, but then
>you don't load modern aircraft cannon with tracer).

Obviously you haven't watched an aircraft fire a cannon into the air at night.
Basically, it looks like a little chain of pearls and yes its quite visible
from a ways off.

Sorry, Paul, just bein' a putz. :)

v/r
Gordon

[Peter Stickney]

In article >,
"Paul J. Adam" > writes:
> In message >, Alejandro
> Magno > writes
>>For Aryan I meant White. Celts, Teutonics, Romans, Greek, Slavs,
>>AngloSaxons, etc...
>
> Slavs are Aryans? Don't tell Hitler!
>
> TURKEY TROTS TO WATER Are you for real or are you trailing a bevy of
> baited hooks? THE WORLD WONDERS
>

I have to admit, the posting evidence indicates that he's either a _very_
persistant troll, a walking advertisement of the failings of Mexico's
education system, or Grantland has finally saved enough Rands to
emigrate.

--
Pete Stickney
A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many
bad measures. -- Daniel Webster

[John Keeney]

"Krztalizer" > wrote in message
...
> go back under your bridge, magna troll

I was beginning to wonder when you folks would notice Mango
is purely a troll.


Please quit feeding him.

[Fred J. McCall]

"Keith Willshaw" > wrote:

:You are a fool.
:
:The Soviet Army included Georgians, Armenians, Ukranians, ByeloRussians,
:Uzbeks, Kazajhs etc. etc.

Uh, on this one, you may be, too, Keith. Combat units tended to be
90%+ ethnic Russians. The lesser races were relegated to support
formations.

--
You have never lived until you have almost died.
Life has a special meaning that the protected
will never know.

[Alejandro Magno]

About KAL 007

Just to start:

Su-15 pilot interview: http://www.avweb.com/other/kalx9650.html
More info at: http://www.geocities.com/ke007us/

There is a movie about it, but I do not remember the name.
More info at:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1568580541/qid=1073471281/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/102-2247913-1420158?v=glance&s=books

Buy the book:
Incident at Sakhalin: The True Mission of Kal Flight 007
by Michel Brun, Robert Bononno (Translator)

Or read the in amazon.com the comments of the people who already
bought it. I will post all the information and research I have about
KAL007, but I do not have it with me right now, maybe in few days.

You will learn how your government lies to you, brainwashed
zio-americans. Israel rapes you every so often, and it seems that you
enjoy it.

I will answer all your questions about KAL 007, but give me some time.

Magnus


----------------------------------------------------------------------------
From Fox News:
http://www.network54.com/Hide/Forum/thread?forumid=155335&messageid=1061943290&lp=1061943290
http://whatreallyhappened.com/Israeli-Spying-Part-1.htm

See how palestinian boys humiliate a peace loving, sweet, and honest
Jewish woman ?
http://islamonline.net/English/News/2003-11/19/article04.shtml

Do you like hunting ?
http://geocities.com/mossadlibrary/trophy.html

If the brainwashed Americans knew ..... poor Israelis ....
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/

Spying on America
http://www.network54.com/Hide/Forum/thread?forumid=155335&messageid=1061943290&lp=1061943290
http://whatreallyhappened.com/Israeli-Spying-Part-1.htm

In Mexico ?
http://www.rense.com/general17/primera.pdf_1.pdf

Peaceful nation, chosen by GOD.
http://www.thenausea.com/elements/Israel/800%20mm.jpg
http://www.thenausea.com/israel.html

A knife in the back
http://www.ussliberty.org/

Another knife in the back
http://www.angelfire.com/oz/1spy/Lavon.html

Shooting planes down with civilians
http://www.mathaba.net/info/flight114.htm
http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/974655/posts

A boy playing with a tank toy:
http://www.giwersworld.org

Hunting
http://geocities.com/mossadlibrary/trophy.html

Where is Bush ?
http://www.nowarforisrael.com
http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/02/12/Counterpunch_1.html
http://www.itszone.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=11325
http://nogw.com/warforisrael.html


Impressive, the highest IQ:
http://dailytelegraph.news.com.au/story.jsp?sectionid=1274&storyid=703396



Racist organization
http://www.adl.org/hate_symbols/default_graphics.asp



What is this http://www.rense.com/general17/moss.htm ?
and this http://www.rense.com/Datapages/Israeldata.html


Why is this in the Bible http://www.biblegateway.com John 7:13 ?

And what is this http://www.nationalvanguard.org/docs/joyner_shark.mp3
?

Jesus in the Talmud:
http://www.deadseanaghammadiresearch.com/Jesus-in-the-Talmud.htm

Jesus again:
http://www.rense.com/general46/whoreallykilledJesus.html

What is this
http://news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,8249434%255E13762,00.html
?


Magnus



Magnus

[Alejandro Magno]

"Jarg" > wrote in message >...
> It was a Korean airliner in case you didn't know. And the only people who
> believe it was a spy plane were the usual conspiracy wackos. There is not
> one iota of evidence that suggests otherwise.

I know that, go and read my previous posts. I forgot that
zio-Americans do not know hot to read:
"In the government schools, hundreds of thousands of graduates from
the twelfth grade cannot read their own diplomas...."
http://www.ocpathink.org/Education/WhyCantJohnnyRead.html

So much for your education system.


> I am from the United States and proud of it. I've seen quite a bit of the
> world and there is nowhere I would rather be, nor any place I would rather
> be from. Our diversity is one of our many strengths, and the Jews are among
> those that have contributed to our nations greatness. What piece of ****
> third rate country are you from?
>
> Jarg

Why do you want to know where I am ?

I know America very well, I know how all you are brainwashed by
FoxNews and CNN, with propaganda from Israel.

I am not going to give personal information about me.

You guys want to put me in jail next to Ernest Zeindel. so much for
"freedom of speech".

You americans love censhorship.
-----> http://www.lacensura.com

http://www.duke.org

If you care about your country vote for Pat Buchanan.

America past: http://www.whitechildren.com
America future: http://www.white-history.com/usafuture.htm
Europe: http://www.imperium-europa.org

Learn to read, american.

Magnus

[Alejandro Magno]

(Peter Stickney) wrote in message
> I have to admit, the posting evidence indicates that he's either a _very_
> persistant troll, a walking advertisement of the failings of Mexico's
> education system, or Grantland has finally saved enough Rands to
> emigrate.

Have you ever to Mexico, I have. there are white people in Mexico,
too. You americans only get the lower class.

See this http://www.libreopinion.com/nacionalista

If you can read Spanish, read before you start making fun of those
people. Go to Mexico city, there are parts where you will see only
White people. They are called "criollos", criollo means "person of
European descendt".

Eduction system in America:
"In the government schools, hundreds of thousands of graduates from
the twelfth grade cannot read their own diplomas...."
http://www.ocpathink.org/Education/WhyCantJohnnyRead.html



Magnus

[Alejandro Magno]

"Keith Willshaw" > wrote in message >...
> "Alejandro Magno" > wrote in message
> om...
> > "Schelkunchik" > wrote:
> > > You could take the Argentinian military from the Falklands war and kick
> > > Russia's butt.
> >
> > Only 200 Holy Russian warriors were suffient to humilate the entire
> zio-NATO:
> > http://www.lebensraum.org/english/zgrams/zg1999/zg9906/990614.html
> >
>
> Given that they were the ones begging for food and water from
> the British troops occupying Pristina you have a strange idea
> of who was humiliated.
>
> Keith

read the article: http://www.lebensraum.org/english/zgrams/zg1999/zg9906/990614.html

magnus

[Alejandro Magno]

"Paul J. Adam" > wrote in message >...
> In message >, Alejandro
> Magno > writes
> >For Aryan I meant White. Celts, Teutonics, Romans, Greek, Slavs,
> >AngloSaxons, etc...
>
> Slavs are Aryans? Don't tell Hitler!
>
> TURKEY TROTS TO WATER Are you for real or are you trailing a bevy of
> baited hooks? THE WORLD WONDERS

I did not say Slavs are Aryans.

Aryan is a term generally used to described white people, now. Before,
only the Teutonics were considered Aryans, the term has become more
widespread.

Russia is a white country. America is a negroid country.
http://www.white-history.com/usafuture.htm

Russia: Anna Kournikova
America: Venus Williams

got the picture ?

Is Russia the Key to White Survival?
http://www.duke.org/dukereport/10-00.html

magnus

[Keith Willshaw]

"Fred J. McCall" > wrote in message
...
> "Keith Willshaw" > wrote:
>
> :You are a fool.
> :
> :The Soviet Army included Georgians, Armenians, Ukranians, ByeloRussians,
> :Uzbeks, Kazajhs etc. etc.
>
> Uh, on this one, you may be, too, Keith. Combat units tended to be
> 90%+ ethnic Russians. The lesser races were relegated to support
> formations.
>

Its certainly the case that SOME nationalities such as the Uzbekhs
tended to end in pioneer units but thats not universally true

Kristapor Ivanian an Armenian commanded the Red Army artillery
during the battle for Berlin

One of the two soldiers who raised the flag over the Reichstag was
Meliton Kantarija, a Georgian

The army photographer who captured the image was Yevgeni Khaldei,
a Ukranian. In fact around 25% of the red army were Ukranians.
The Soviets could not afford such niceties during WW2.

Keith

[Andrew Chaplin]

Keith Willshaw wrote:

> Its certainly the case that SOME nationalities such as the Uzbekhs
> tended to end in pioneer units but thats not universally true
>
> Kristapor Ivanian an Armenian commanded the Red Army artillery
> during the battle for Berlin
>
> One of the two soldiers who raised the flag over the Reichstag was
> Meliton Kantarija, a Georgian
>
> The army photographer who captured the image was Yevgeni Khaldei,
> a Ukranian. In fact around 25% of the red army were Ukranians.
> The Soviets could not afford such niceties during WW2.

Of the ten or so Russian officers with whom I worked in UNTSO, about
half were Ukrainians (the West Ukrainians couldn't understand the East
Ukrainians and vice versa, unless they were speaking Russian or
English -- or so they professed).
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)

[Fred J. McCall]

"Keith Willshaw" > wrote:

:
:"Fred J. McCall" > wrote in message
.. .
:> "Keith Willshaw" > wrote:
:>
:> :You are a fool.
:> :
:> :The Soviet Army included Georgians, Armenians, Ukranians, ByeloRussians,
:> :Uzbeks, Kazajhs etc. etc.
:>
:> Uh, on this one, you may be, too, Keith. Combat units tended to be
:> 90%+ ethnic Russians. The lesser races were relegated to support
:> formations.
:>
:
:Its certainly the case that SOME nationalities such as the Uzbekhs
:tended to end in pioneer units but thats not universally true
:
:Kristapor Ivanian an Armenian commanded the Red Army artillery
:during the battle for Berlin
:
:One of the two soldiers who raised the flag over the Reichstag was
: Meliton Kantarija, a Georgian
:
:The army photographer who captured the image was Yevgeni Khaldei,
:a Ukranian. In fact around 25% of the red army were Ukranians.
:The Soviets could not afford such niceties during WW2.

Practice during WWII does not reflect more recent practices on the
part of the Red Army prior to the breakup of the Soviet Union. One of
the HUGE problems with their system was that folks from one of the
'subject races' would get drafted, do their two years in a railroad
battalion or some such, then upon discharge were subject to call up
for filling up Cat 2 units that were intended for combat (for which
they had virtually no real training). Normally Soviet practice for
interventions was to activate the Cat 2 units in the area and use
them.

This bit the Soviets in a major way when they first went into
Afghanistan, for example, both because the units that were ostensibly
'combat ready' had mostly people who knew nothing about the subject
and because a lot of the folks being called up were Muslims, who would
swap their AK for a copy of the Koran as soon as they hit Kabul.

--
"Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute."
-- Charles Pinckney

[Alejandro Magno]

(B2431) wrote
> The funny part is under your "aryan" hero Hitler you would have been sent to > a
> concentration camp or euthansized.
>
> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Yes, my IQ might not be high enough.

http://dailytelegraph.news.com.au/story.jsp?sectionid=1274&storyid=703396
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/377798.html
http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=1575

Magnus

[Alejandro Magno]

(B2431) wrote
> The funny part is under your "aryan" hero Hitler you would have been sent to a
> concentration camp or euthansized.
>
> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired


Teken from:
http://www.conspiracypenpal.com/
http://www.conspiracypenpal.com/columns/arabs.htm

The following email came from a list member this morning: "Today's
Jews are far from perfect! But their enemies are my enemies too. I
detest the Arabs. To my way of thinking they are two-faced butchers.
It seems as though most of the world's terrorists come from their
countries."

I got a little carried away with my response, I confess. It felt
cleansing, somehow, to list all the reasons why this person was wrong.
Maybe it was my being included in the SPLC's recent "List of 40 to
Watch," meaning right wingers they have targeted for elimination,
wherein I was labeled an anti-semite. (You want anti-semite? I'll
give you anti-semite!) Here is my response, in full:

I haven't the degree of antipathy you feel for Arabs, despite a couple
that I would willingly have dispatched, had it been legal. Nor do I
have any particular love for them, other than that normally reserved
for the underdog. Your hatred seems born of something quite apart from
personal experience. Here is just part of the basis for my outlook:

It wasn't Arabs who tried to steal my law practice - it was a jew.
It wasn't Arabs who threatened to kill my children and wife - it was
jews.
It wasn't Arabs who threatened to kill me - and continue to do so with
regularity - it was/is jews.
It wasn't Arabs who screwed the stockholders of the company I worked
for in SF - it was jews.
It isn't Arabs who fill my email inbox with pornographic spam - it is
jews.
It isn't Arabs who send all those viruses to me over the Internet - it
is jews.
It isn't Arabs who try to get my ISP to cancel my internet access - it
is jews.
It isn't Arabs who periodically forge mass spam mailings to so many,
using my domain name - it is jews.
It isn't Arabs who send me all that incredibly vituperative,
irrational and pornographic hate mail - it is jews.
It wasn't Arabs who blocked my PayPal account and stole the balance it
contained - it was jews.
It wasn't Arabs who painted a bullseye on my chest by labeling me one
of "40 to watch" - it was jews.
It isn't Arabs who have made it all but impossible for me to work as a
lawyer - it is jews.
It isn't Arabs who maintain a dossier on me and draw from it to defame
me on every venue possible - it is jews.
It wasn't Arabs who have been bent upon bankrupting and imprisoning so
many that I know - it was and is jews.
It isn't Arabs who have arrested and imprisoned Chester Doles as a
felon in possession of a gun, though he is no felon and owned no guns
- it is jews.
It wasn't Arabs who indicted David Duke on tax evasion charges that
were pure speculation, forcing a plea deal and a 1-year prison
sentence because he dared not go before a jury - it was jews.
It wasn't Arabs who arrested Artie Wheeler for domestic terrorism
because he had firearm reloading equipment and supplies - it was jews.
It wasn't Arabs who arrested and imprisoned Christine Greenwood for
distributing clothing to needy white children - it was jews.
It wasn't Arabs who sued and bankrupted Richard Butler because he
provided shelter to some derelicts who stupidly shot at some people -
it was jews.
It wasn't Arabs who had Ernst Zundel deported to Canada - it was jews
- where he now stands accused of thought crimes - by jews - for which
he could get deported again, to Germany, where he will be tried for
more thought crimes - by jews.
It wasn't Arabs who sued and bankrupted Tom Metzger because one of his
followers stupidly killed another - it was jews.
It isn't Arabs who have hijacked my government - it is jews.
It isn't Arabs who have hijacked the American legal system and now are
transforming it to conform to Talmudic law - it is jews.
It isn't Arabs who own and run the Federal Reserve Bank, which is in
the process of destroying the dollar and the American economy - it is
jews.
It isn't Arabs rigging the US stock market and commodities futures
markets - it is jews.
It wasn't Arabs who sent our military into Afghanistan and Iraq - it
was jews.
It isn't Arabs who refuse to serve in the US Military in numbers
proportionate to their population percentage - it is jews (1/10 of 1%,
vs. 2-1/2%).
It wasn't Arabs who sued to remove "under God" from the Pledge of
Allegiance - it was jews.
It wasn't Arabs who sued to remove the Ten Commandments from that
Alabama courthouse, had Judge Moore removed from the bench and now
seek to disbar him - it is jews.
It isn't Arabs who sue to remove nativity scenes from public venues -
it is jews.
It isn't Arabs who erect menorahs in public venues in place of crosses
- it is jews.
It wasn't Arabs who sued to remove group prayer from public schools -
it was jews.
It wasn't Arabs suing to remove decorative lights from schools at
Christmas - it was jews.
It isn't Arabs who refuse to allow children to say grace over their
school lunches - it is jews.
It isn't Arabs who continue to impose affirmative action upon us in
all walks of life - it is jews.
It isn't Arabs who began and continue to expand militant feminism - it
is jews.
It isn't Arabs who buy off all our legislators with our own tax
dollars - it is jews.
It wasn't Arabs who tried to sink the USS Liberty and killed and
maimed so many of its crewmembers during an extended attack - it was
jews.
It isn't Arabs enacting hate crime laws designed to outlaw criticism
of themselves - it is jews.
It isn't Arabs who run NAMBLA (North American Man-Boy Love
Association) - it is jews.
It isn't Arabs suing to force us to allow homosexuals to lead boy
scout troops - it is jews.
It wasn't Arabs who started and ran so many black organizations like
the NAACP - it was jews.
It isn't Arabs importing huge numbers of Somalians and Bantu into
American cities - it is jews.
It wasn't Arabs who formulated American legislation providing pensions
to Russian jewish immigrants for doing nothing - it was jews.
It isn't Arabs who run organized crime throughout America - it is
jews.
It isn't Arabs who import tons of drugs into America every day - it is
jews.
It isn't Arabs who literally own and run all of Hollywood's
moviemaking enterprise - it is jews.
It isn't Arabs who literally own and run all of America's mainstream
media - it is jews.
It isn't Arabs spewing obscenity and race-mixing propaganda from the
TV and movie screens - it is jews.
It isn't Arabs trying mightily to block release of the Mel Gibson
movie, "The Passion" - it is jews.
It isn't Arabs lying about and guilt tripping us with "the holocaust"
- it is jews.
It isn't Arabs stealing American tax dollars to fund all their
holocaust monuments throughout America - it is jews.
It wasn't Arabs who forged the Anne Frank "diary" - it was jews.
It wasn't Arabs who lied about gas chambers at Dachau and Auschwitz -
it was jews.
It wasn't Arabs who lied about mass graves at Treblinka - it was jews.
It wasn't Arabs who lied about jews being made into lamp shades and
soap during WWII - it was jews.
It wasn't Arabs who doctored WWII prison camp photos to appear to be
belching smoke from crematoria - it was jews.
It wasn't Arabs who used WWII pictures of dead non jews, claiming they
were jews - it was jews.
It wasn't Arabs who made anti-semitical talk punishable by death in
Russia after they took power - it was jews.
It wasn't Arabs who killed over 20 million Russian Christians - it was
jews.
It wasn't Arabs who looted and destroyed the Russian economy - it was
jews.
It isn't Arabs who have amassed an illegal arsenal of over 300 nuclear
weapons in the Middle East - it is the jews.
It isn't Arabs who brag about controlling America - it is jews.
It isn't Arabs who advocate the use of torture by and on Americans -
it is jews.
It isn't Arabs who twist American laws to punish anti-semitical speech
- it is jews.
It isn't Arabs endeavoring to get America to outlaw anti-semitical
speech - it is jews.
It isn't Arabs who sell goods that it is illegal in America to boycott
- it is Israeli jews.
It isn't Arabs who extort "fees" for allowing their kosher label on
goods - it is jews.
It isn't Arabs who retaliate against rock-throwing children by
shooting them in the head - it is jews.
It isn't Arabs stealing land in Palestine - it is jews.
It wasn't Arabs who ran down Rachel Corrie with a bulldozer - it was a
jew.
It isn't Arabs who have caused America to spend $2.5 trillion ($31,250
per American family) in the Middle East - it is jews.
It isn't Arabs who send teams of trained assassins into foreign
countries, including America, to kill people with whom Israel
disagrees - it is jews.
It isn't Arabs who run the ADL, which maintains dossiers on thousands
of law-abiding American citizens, for the purpose of punishing those
with whom they disagree - it is jews.
It isn't Arabs who break into and enter the offices and homes of
law-abiding American citizens, to procure evidence both for their
database and in the hopes of getting evidence they can pass to the FBI
for prosecution - it is jews.
It isn't Arabs who have caused America to go from being the most-loved
country in the world to the most hated - it is jews.

Finally, though most won't believe it (all the preceding are facts -
provable facts):
It isn't Arabs who regularly phony up "hate crimes" against themselves
- it is jews.
It wasn't Arabs who caused the Great Depression - it was jews.
It wasn't Arabs who started WWI - it was jews.
It wasn't Arabs who started WWII - it was jews.
It wasn't Arabs who killed JFK - it was jews.
It wasn't Arabs who demolished the World Trade Center - it was jews.
It isn't Arabs bent upon destroying Christianity - it is jews.

And, lest we forget:
It wasn't Arabs who had Jesus Christ crucified - it was jews.



New America. An idea whose time has come.

-ed


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- Morpheus

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Forward as you wish. Permission is granted to circulate

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[Paul J. Adam]

In message >, Krztalizer
> writes
>>It was night-time, and military aircraft are camouflaged. What
>>manoeuvres did he make? What lights was he displaying?
>
>Not to pee in the pool, but Sakhalin-based Suhkoi Su 15s were natural metal -
>not that it makes an ounce of difference in this matter.

D'oh! You're right, most Flagons were bright metal. As you say, still
doesn't help much at night. (The Canadians had the right idea - put a
searchlight on their CF-188s that you can shine into the cockpit. Ignore
_that_!)

>>Su-15 isn't fitted with a cannon. (Carries a gunpod sometimes, but then
>>you don't load modern aircraft cannon with tracer).
>
>Obviously you haven't watched an aircraft fire a cannon into the air at night.
>Basically, it looks like a little chain of pearls and yes its quite visible
>from a ways off.

Is that tracer?

There's been a lot of argument for a long time about whether tracer
shells are any use in combat for air gunnery: might be useful for
strafing (where are my shots really going?) but for air-to-air the main
use is to alert an enemy.

Now, if you're training, TP-T makes sense for several reasons (like,
"see what the dispersion, shot pattern, et cetera really is", and "is my
gun boresighted? Even if it is, how precise is it really?" and so on.

But with live ammunition, tracers just warn the enemy they're under
fire: and the number of shots taken to "warn the aircraft" are grossly
exceeded by the number of shots fired to "kill the aircraft". Aircraft
guns don't use dual-feed, so you either load tracer or you don't.

>Sorry, Paul, just bein' a putz. :)

From you I'll grin and bear it, Gordon.

--
When you have to kill a man, it costs nothing to be polite.
W S Churchill

Paul J. Adam MainBox<at>jrwlynch[dot]demon{dot}co(.)uk

[Alejandro Magno]

(B2431) wrote
> Check your history, Russia was occupied by the Poles, the Mongols and a few
> others.
>
> Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

I will check the Russian history at http://www.white-history.com

Magnus

[Alejandro Magno]

(B2431) wrote

> >> God Save the Tsar Vladimir Putin !!!
> >> God Bless Holy Imperial Mother Russia !!!
> >> God Bless all Christian nations of the World !!!
> >
> Should we tell him Christians are a minority in Russia?
> Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

America is a Christian nation: http://www.bushflash.com/faith.html

It seems that you have never been to Mother Russia.
Tsar Vladimir Putin will put all the problems in the past, and former
Holy Russian Empire will be re-born, in fact is in gestation process
right know.

God is happy with Holy Mother Russia because:
- Christianity tought at schools.
- Orthodox Church has the support of the Tsar.
- New restiction on abortion.
- Flat tax system, as God commands. 10% biblical but 13% is close
enough (America 39%).
- Russia sells food to its neighbors at convenient price.
- Socialism and secular society in the past.
- Government promoting russian women to have babies.
- Low tax, government don't steal from people.
- Gays and lesbians banned from the military.
- Mother Russia has saved Europe many times, from asian invaders and
from Nazis.

Holy Imperial Mother Russia will be the star of Liberty, Freedom and
Christianity in the third millenium.

Constantinople will be a Christian Orthodox city, it will be liberated
from the opression of the barbaric Turks. Tsar Vladimir is already
sharpening his shining sword.

Magnus

[Alejandro Magno]

(B2431) wrote
> Hey, don't insult loons. They are nice birds.
> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Germany 1920s = Russia 1990s

Tsar Vladimir Putin might be the man to watch on this century. Check
similarities between Russia in the 1990s and Germany in the 1920s.

Germany loses a big war, WW1.
Russia losses a big war, Cold War.

Germany was very poor in the 1920s.
Russia was very poor in the 1990s

Anti-semitism in Germany in the 1920s and 1930s.
Anti-semitism in Russia in the 1990s and 2000s (check the russian
newspapers).

Germany lost territories after WW1.
Russia (Soviet Union) lost territories (10 times the size of France)
after Cold War.

Germany a bad economy in the 1920s.
Russia a bad economy in the 1990s.

Germany and Prussia had a strong military heritage.
Russia has always had a strong military heritage.

Germans humiliated by foreign powers.
Russians humiliated by foreign powers.

Germans angry at the situation, almost losing faith.
Russians angry at the situation, almost losing faith.




Germany: a popular leader gets to power and restore the pride of
German people. The man almost conquers all Europe.

Russia: a popular leader gets to power, people like him, he likes
people. He promises to restore the former might and pride of Imperial
Russia. This man is trying to unite whole Europe, Western European
leaders love him. Yes, they love him. German Cancellor and Italian
Prime Minister are his admirers. Once the British kick Blair out, the
new Prime Minister will be friendly to Russia and Europe because that
is where England naturally belongs.

Magnus

[TJ]

"Alejandro Magno wrote:

> The Korean pilot received 3 warnings.
> 1) Radio communication. He did not respond. Pilot deaf.

Wrong. Osipovich during 1991 gave an interview in which he charged his
superiors with lying about this. Osipovich admitted that he did not attempt
to make contact with the Boeing 747 by radio.

> 2) Su-15 making manouvers in front of the Korean plane, pilot blind.

Osipovich admitted that he flew alongside the Boeing 747. At no point did he
fly his SU-15 in front of the 747.

> 3) Su-15 firing his cannon to warn the Korean pilot. Pilot deaf and blind.

Osipovich admitted that it was useless as his SU-15s gun pods did not
contain any tracer rounds. He reprimanded his superiors on the initial story
that he had fired tracers and had attempted radio contact with the Boeing
747.

TJ

[Howard Berkowitz]

In article >,
wrote:

> "Keith Willshaw" > wrote:
>
> :You are a fool.
> :
> :The Soviet Army included Georgians, Armenians, Ukranians, ByeloRussians,
> :Uzbeks, Kazajhs etc. etc.
>
> Uh, on this one, you may be, too, Keith. Combat units tended to be
> 90%+ ethnic Russians. The lesser races were relegated to support
> formations.

There were exceptions. Certainly, ethnic Russians had the best shot at
senior positions. "Victor Suvorov" writes that Tatars tended to make
the best senior sergeants.

When dealing with conflict in the empire, such as the suppression of the
1956 Budapest revolt, the "second wave" was primarily non-Russian, since
many of the Russian occupation troops had become sympathetic to the
Hungarians. Indeed, it was considered desirable that the new troops not
share a language with the people they were suppressing -- many
Hungarians spoke Russian.

[TJ]

Alejandro Magno wrote:

> Buy the book:
> Incident at Sakhalin: The True Mission of Kal Flight 007
> by Michel Brun, Robert Bononno (Translator)

Brun gets it all mixed up from the start. He even has Osipovich flying a
MiG-31 FOXHOUND, but quite staggeringly fails to realise that the MiG-31 is
a two-man weapons system and therefore would have had a back seat
"witness/participant" to the events.

As to Brun's debris evidence of a 'great air battle"

"1) a fragment of composite material marked on one side BRUNSWICK, NJ UNION
MADE IN USA PVC10-MIL PIPEWRAPI and LR.4 B30 on the other side. The MIL
indicates it is military"

This is basic Home Maintenance / DIY stuff. PIPE WRAP comes in various
thicknesses the "10 MIL" is the thickness of the pipe wrap. 10 MIL
(Millimetres).

Sorry, but Brun is clutching at straws from the start till the end of the
book in great whacko conspiracy theory style.

[Krztalizer]

>It seems that you have never been to Mother Russia.

Hey, Mango, when did YOU visit Russia? Never? Then pipe down.

>
>Tsar Vladimir Putin will put all the problems in the past, and former
>Holy Russian Empire will be re-born, in fact is in gestation process
>right know.

Why insist on using the term Tsar, when everything it represented CAUSED the
revolution in the first place? Russia under the Tsars was oppressive and
backward.

>
>- Mother Russia has saved Europe many times, from asian invaders and
>from Nazis.

Back on your medication, fruitcake. You don't "save" Europe by occupying half
of it for 50 years.

>
>Holy Imperial Mother Russia will be the star of Liberty, Freedom and
>Christianity in the third millenium.
>

right after monkeys fly out of my ass.

Mango, you're delusional, and not in a good way.

[Keith Willshaw]

"Fred J. McCall" > wrote in message
...
> "Keith Willshaw" > wrote:
>
> :
> :"Fred J. McCall" > wrote in message
> .. .
> :> "Keith Willshaw" > wrote:
> :>
> :> :You are a fool.
> :> :
> :> :The Soviet Army included Georgians, Armenians, Ukranians,
ByeloRussians,
> :> :Uzbeks, Kazajhs etc. etc.
> :>
> :> Uh, on this one, you may be, too, Keith. Combat units tended to be
> :> 90%+ ethnic Russians. The lesser races were relegated to support
> :> formations.
> :>
> :
> :Its certainly the case that SOME nationalities such as the Uzbekhs
> :tended to end in pioneer units but thats not universally true
> :
> :Kristapor Ivanian an Armenian commanded the Red Army artillery
> :during the battle for Berlin
> :
> :One of the two soldiers who raised the flag over the Reichstag was
> : Meliton Kantarija, a Georgian
> :
> :The army photographer who captured the image was Yevgeni Khaldei,
> :a Ukranian. In fact around 25% of the red army were Ukranians.
> :The Soviets could not afford such niceties during WW2.
>
> Practice during WWII does not reflect more recent practices on the
> part of the Red Army prior to the breakup of the Soviet Union.

Maybe not but we were discussing the Red Army in WW2

Keith

[Krztalizer]

>>
>>Obviously you haven't watched an aircraft fire a cannon into the air at
>night.
>>Basically, it looks like a little chain of pearls and yes its quite visible
>>from a ways off.
>
>Is that tracer?

Nope - just big blobs of 20mm dancing off into the night. No tracer in the USN
A-7s and F-14s that I have seen shoot at night - the A-7 guy emptied his gun at
the moon in preparation for a night belly landing and we could clearly see each
individual 20mm in the long chain of shots. Quite dramatic, actually.



>There's been a lot of argument for a long time about whether tracer
>shells are any use in combat for air gunnery: might be useful for
>strafing (where are my shots really going?) but for air-to-air the main
>use is to alert an enemy.

agree. I know of an Iranian AH-1 pilot who was damn thankful the Iraqis had
tracer - an Mi 24A pulled in behind the un-alerted AH-1 pilot and fired on him
from directly astern. The AH-1 guy saw the tracers passing down the left side
of the cockpit, realized that the Hind would correct his aim so the AH-1 broke
directly _into_ the tracers, knowing that the "corrected" shot would be nailing
him if he stayed in place. End result, two gun kills - a Gazelle and the
aforementioned Hind.

>Now, if you're training, TP-T makes sense for several reasons (like,
>"see what the dispersion, shot pattern, et cetera really is", and "is my
>gun boresighted? Even if it is, how precise is it really?" and so on.
>
>But with live ammunition, tracers just warn the enemy they're under
>fire: and the number of shots taken to "warn the aircraft" are grossly
>exceeded by the number of shots fired to "kill the aircraft". Aircraft
>guns don't use dual-feed, so you either load tracer or you don't.
>
>>Sorry, Paul, just bein' a putz. :)
>
>From you I'll grin and bear it, Gordon.

:)) thanks!

v/r
Gordon
<====(A+C====>
USN SAR

Donate your memories - write a note on the back and send your old photos to a
reputable museum, don't take them with you when you're gone.

[tadaa]

> D'oh! You're right, most Flagons were bright metal. As you say, still
> doesn't help much at night. (The Canadians had the right idea - put a
> searchlight on their CF-188s that you can shine into the cockpit. Ignore
> _that_!)

Finnish airforce F-18's have high-powered sidemounted searchlight

http://www.ilmavoimat.fi/filebank/2144-hn13.jpg


few other pictures of those F-18's

http://www.ilmavoimat.fi/index.php?id=27

[Alejandro Magno]

(BUFDRVR) wrote
> Great, so not only are you a Russian/Soviet fanatic, but a racist to
> boot.........

How would you like your sons and daughters to look like ?

Like these:
http://www.whitechildren.com/white_extinction_natall.swf

or like these:
http://www.white-history.com/usafuture.htm

Comments ?

Magnus
http://www.imperium-europa.org

[Andrew Chaplin]

TJ wrote:
>
> As to Brun's debris evidence of a 'great air battle"
>
> "1) a fragment of composite material marked on one side BRUNSWICK, NJ UNION
> MADE IN USA PVC10-MIL PIPEWRAPI and LR.4 B30 on the other side. The MIL
> indicates it is military"
>
> This is basic Home Maintenance / DIY stuff. PIPE WRAP comes in various
> thicknesses the "10 MIL" is the thickness of the pipe wrap. 10 MIL
> (Millimetres).

Actually, it's based on the SAE system where 1 mil = 1/1000 of an inch
(or it did when I bought 6 mil poly in 1968 for a school project).
Vapour barriers for insulating houses are usually 6 or 8 mil.
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)

[[email protected]]

"tadaa" > wrote:

>> D'oh! You're right, most Flagons were bright metal. As you say, still
>> doesn't help much at night. (The Canadians had the right idea - put a
>> searchlight on their CF-188s that you can shine into the cockpit. Ignore
>> _that_!)
>
>Finnish airforce F-18's have high-powered sidemounted searchlight
>
>http://www.ilmavoimat.fi/filebank/2144-hn13.jpg
>
>
>few other pictures of those F-18's
>
>http://www.ilmavoimat.fi/index.php?id=27
>

Any idea what the candlepower rating of that light is?
--

-Gord.

[Krztalizer]

Mango, I was wondering why you are in Mexico, proudly proclaiming Russia as the
best spot on earth - why not move there, ya little racist puke?

You sound like a wannabe chilango to me - ashamed of your Mayan roots. Where
are you from anyway, Puebla? The people I know from Mexico would consider you
an absolute embarrassment to their race, so perhaps loving Russia is the best
you can do.

[Captain!]

"Fred J. McCall" > wrote in message
...
> "Keith Willshaw" > wrote:
>
> :You are a fool.
> :
> :The Soviet Army included Georgians, Armenians, Ukranians, ByeloRussians,
> :Uzbeks, Kazajhs etc. etc.
>
> Uh, on this one, you may be, too, Keith. Combat units tended to be
> 90%+ ethnic Russians. The lesser races were relegated to support
> formations.
>
oh oh, you better plonk him then goof

[Fred J. McCall]

"Keith Willshaw" > wrote:

:"Fred J. McCall" > wrote in message
.. .
:>
:> Practice during WWII does not reflect more recent practices on the
:> part of the Red Army prior to the breakup of the Soviet Union.
:
:Maybe not but we were discussing the Red Army in WW2

Ah, but I was not. Verb tense is important! :-)

--
"Rule Number One for Slayers - Don't die."
-- Buffy, the Vampire Slayer

[Paul J. Adam]

In message >, Krztalizer
> writes
>>>Obviously you haven't watched an aircraft fire a cannon into the air at
>>night.
>>>Basically, it looks like a little chain of pearls and yes its quite visible
>>>from a ways off.
>>
>>Is that tracer?
>
>Nope - just big blobs of 20mm dancing off into the night. No tracer in the USN
>A-7s and F-14s that I have seen shoot at night - the A-7 guy emptied his gun at
>the moon in preparation for a night belly landing and we could clearly see each
>individual 20mm in the long chain of shots. Quite dramatic, actually.

Wouldn't have guessed it - thanks for the info. (I was watching a 30mm
trial recently and while I could spot the vortex trail left by the
shells when I knew exactly where and when to look, in daylight the
shells were quite invisible if the tracer didn't function)

--
When you have to kill a man, it costs nothing to be polite.
W S Churchill

Paul J. Adam MainBox<at>jrwlynch[dot]demon{dot}co(.)uk

[Alejandro Magno]

(Krztalizer) wrote in
> Mango, I was wondering why you are in Mexico, proudly proclaiming Russia as the
> best spot on earth - why not move there, ya little racist puke?
>
> You sound like a wannabe chilango to me - ashamed of your Mayan roots. Where
> are you from anyway, Puebla? The people I know from Mexico would consider you
> an absolute embarrassment to their race, so perhaps loving Russia is the best
> you can do.

In Mexico or in New Mexico ?

I posted a link proving that Americans do not know how to read.

I will not tell you where I am. I will not disclose personal information.

Russia is a White country, no mission there.

http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=792
http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=451
http://www.duke.org/dukereport/10-00.html

Magnus

[[email protected]]

"Paul J. Adam" > wrote:

>In message >, Krztalizer
> writes
>>>>Obviously you haven't watched an aircraft fire a cannon into the air at
>>>night.
>>>>Basically, it looks like a little chain of pearls and yes its quite visible
>>>>from a ways off.
>>>
>>>Is that tracer?
>>
>>Nope - just big blobs of 20mm dancing off into the night. No tracer in the USN
>>A-7s and F-14s that I have seen shoot at night - the A-7 guy emptied his gun at
>>the moon in preparation for a night belly landing and we could clearly see each
>>individual 20mm in the long chain of shots. Quite dramatic, actually.
>
>Wouldn't have guessed it - thanks for the info. (I was watching a 30mm
>trial recently and while I could spot the vortex trail left by the
>shells when I knew exactly where and when to look, in daylight the
>shells were quite invisible if the tracer didn't function)

Me too, if it had been most any other than who it was I'd have
moved on...I know you can see the shock wave(?) of a .303 bullet
on a rifle range while looking through a 'spotting scope' (from
the shooter's position) but unless it's a tracer you cannot see
anything (day or night) with your unassisted sight. Gordon,
you're certain that that wasn't tracer are you?.
--

-Gord.

[Tank Fixer]

In article >,
says...
> (B2431) wrote
> > Hey, don't insult loons. They are nice birds.
> > Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
>
> Germany 1920s = Russia 1990s
>
> Tsar Vladimir Putin might be the man to watch on this century. Check
> similarities between Russia in the 1990s and Germany in the 1920s.
>
> Germany loses a big war, WW1.

So did Russia..

> Russia losses a big war, Cold War.
>
> Germany was very poor in the 1920s.
> Russia was very poor in the 1990s

and the 1920's, 1930's, 1940's......



> Anti-semitism in Germany in the 1920s and 1930s.
> Anti-semitism in Russia in the 1990s and 2000s (check the russian
> newspapers).

Anti-semitism in Russia, period.


>
> Germany lost territories after WW1.
> Russia (Soviet Union) lost territories (10 times the size of France)
> after Cold War.

They wern't Rusia's to loose.


>
> Germany a bad economy in the 1920s.
> Russia a bad economy in the 1990s.

and the 1920's, 1930's, 1940's......

>
> Germany and Prussia had a strong military heritage.
> Russia has always had a strong military heritage.

Not.

>
> Germans humiliated by foreign powers.
> Russians humiliated by foreign powers.

humiliated by themselves for following a foriegner, Stalin.

>
> Germans angry at the situation, almost losing faith.
> Russians angry at the situation, almost losing faith.
>
>
>
>
> Germany: a popular leader gets to power and restore the pride of
> German people. The man almost conquers all Europe.
>
> Russia: a popular leader gets to power, people like him, he likes
> people. He promises to restore the former might and pride of Imperial
> Russia. This man is trying to unite whole Europe, Western European
> leaders love him. Yes, they love him. German Cancellor and Italian
> Prime Minister are his admirers. Once the British kick Blair out, the
> new Prime Minister will be friendly to Russia and Europe because that
> is where England naturally belongs.

You realize you just equated your leader to HItler ?



--
When dealing with propaganda terminology one sometimes always speaks in
variable absolutes. This is not to be mistaken for an unbiased slant.

[Krztalizer]

>Gordon,
>you're certain that that wasn't tracer are you?.

I am, actually. The A-7 is the one I frequently mention, on its way to a belly
flop on Al Masira in mid 1985. Gear wouldnt lock so the Boss ordered him to
get away from his deck - Masira was closest runway so off he went. On orders
from the boat, he pickeled both Sidewinders (now THAT was an interesting
sight!), then after a minute, rocked his nose back and hosed the sky with his
20mm - I can't imagine they were all tracers but from approx 15 NM, you could
see an unbroken chain of light bulbs, chugging up into the night sky. I saw a
Tomcat shoot once and don't recall the same sort of light show, but the
Corsair's burst was entirely visible. I think now would be a GREAT time for
one of our resident Navy pilot-types to come forward and 'splain if the A-7
really does carry tracer, or if this was a case where conditions made the
departing rounds more visible than usual - I honestly don't know but I just
can't picture that A-7 being loaded with tracers for a night DFW flight.

v/r
Gordon
<====(A+C====>
USN SAR

Donate your memories - write a note on the back and send your old photos to a
reputable museum, don't take them with you when you're gone.

[Krztalizer]

>
>Wouldn't have guessed it - thanks for the info. (I was watching a 30mm
>trial recently and while I could spot the vortex trail left by the
>shells when I knew exactly where and when to look, in daylight the
>shells were quite invisible if the tracer didn't function)

When the New Jersey came to take its frustrations out against San Clemente
island, we were overhead and offset by some 1.5 miles, we could see the rounds
in flight and feel the concussion. Mighty fun way to spend a couple hours in a
doorway.

"Range officer! That last one took down at least five goats! No...wait...one
is back up - FIRE FOR EFFECT!!"

Sick? Oh.... yes.

G

[Alejandro Magno]

(Krztalizer) wrote

> Hey, Mango, when did YOU visit Russia? Never? Then pipe down.

I have many Russian and Serbian friends. They tell me that zio-NATO
will pay with blood, with blood, with BLOOD, with BLOOD !!!! the
illegal bombing over the independent and Christian country of Serbia.
Zio-NATO is cursed.

I have never been in Holy Imperial Mother Russia, but I know all the
countries in Europe, all of them. I have been to Africa, too. Yes,
Africa: Detroit, London, Paris and Amsterdam.

Do you want me to show you my passport, so you can see how it has been
stamped ? Sorry, NO can DO, that is private information. Sorry .....


> Why insist on using the term Tsar, when everything it represented CAUSED the
> revolution in the first place? Russia under the Tsars was oppressive and
> backward.

Vladimir Putin is the TSAR of all Holy Russias. He has the command of
GOD to be the Emperator of http://www.imperium-europa.org .

The October Revolution was caused by those evil international
manipulators who, like parasites, suck money from Imperial Germany. It
is funny, because kikelandia = jewishlandia was not a formal state
until the end of the decade of 1940's. So, they do not have legal
right to demand "reparations" from Imperial Germany. The kikes were
citizens of Soviet Union, France, Germany, Norway, the Netherlands,
Belgium, Italy, Poland, etc..... No one was citizen of Israel. The
reparations had to go to the countries where those kikes were citizens
of. It is equivalent to the Arab countries and Israel asking the
Catholic Church for "reparations" due to the Crusades.

Soviet Union lost 20 million people. Out of those 20 million, 11
million were civilians. Kikelandia = Jewishlandia claims 6 million
vaporized, then Soviet Union deserves twice as much of "reparations"
from Germany.


> Back on your medication, fruitcake. You don't "save" Europe by occupying
> half
> of it for 50 years.

Yes you do, look at Amsterdam, London and Paris. They are Muslim
African cities. Those cities will have to kick out many non-Europeans
before joining http://www.imperium-europa.org .

I ran out of medication. I need to get more.

> >Holy Imperial Mother Russia will be the star of Liberty, Freedom and
> >Christianity in the third millenium.
> >
>
> right after monkeys fly out of my ass.

Sure, there are a lot of monkeys in America, London, Amsterdam and
Paris. Choose your favorite language or accent. Are you telling me
that you have sex with monkeys ? I do not understand you, are you sure
English is your first language ?

> Mango, you're delusional, and not in a good way.

Who is Mango ?
Do you suffer of Dislexia ?

I am Alessadro Magnus, The Emperator !!!!

[[email protected]]

(Krztalizer) wrote:

>>
>>Wouldn't have guessed it - thanks for the info. (I was watching a 30mm
>>trial recently and while I could spot the vortex trail left by the
>>shells when I knew exactly where and when to look, in daylight the
>>shells were quite invisible if the tracer didn't function)
>
>When the New Jersey came to take its frustrations out against San Clemente
>island, we were overhead and offset by some 1.5 miles, we could see the rounds
>in flight and feel the concussion. Mighty fun way to spend a couple hours in a
>doorway.
>
>"Range officer! That last one took down at least five goats! No...wait...one
>is back up - FIRE FOR EFFECT!!"
>
>Sick? Oh.... yes.
>
>G

Ok Gordon, thanks for the explanation, I certainly don't know for
sure but I find it strange that the rounds would be visible
unless they were tracer. Course I don't know anything about 20MM.

I know for sure that the belted .303 that we fired from the front
turret on Lancasters in the mid-fifties was tracer, (every fifth
round was at least), The rest were ball (FMJ) and looked like a
nearly solid line of red streaks from the guns to the water's
surface.

Something in line with your goats above, we'd often fly along the
beaches on Sable Island watching thousands of seals peeling into
the surf as they saw us coming along at low level. One of the
crew suggested that I go down to the turret and 'cull them', He
got only some dirty looks from the rest of us for his suggestion.
--

-Gord.

[Alejandro Magno]

Schelkunchik,

Did you enjoy your Kosher burger ?
Did you enjoy your lemonade ?
Learn to respect your superiors.

I am your Emperator.

Alessandro Magnus III, The Emperator of http://www.imperium-europa.org

[Alejandro Magno]

"Jarg" wrote
> This is way out of line. You should be ashamed of yourself. And you are
> undoubtedly in violation of your ISP agreement.

My ISP agreement ? What is that ?
Could you, please, be more specific ?
Please, enlight me, it is an order. I am your Emperator.

What does ISP stand for?
International Stupid People ?

I am not a member of that organization as you are. You and Keith "The
Ostrich" Willshaw can enjoy your ISP loser organization.

Alessandro Magnus III
http://www.imperium-europa.org

[Alejandro Magno]

"John Keeney" wrote
> Please quit feeding him.

Chicken ?

You guys started to make fun of Holy Russian Military Equipment.
Envy ?

You should think about respect before making fun of me and Mother
Russia.
Understood ?

Keith "the Ostrich" Willshaw thinks I am in Mexico, he cannot find his
ass with his two hands. Do you think he can find where I am ?

Alessandro Magnus III
Emperator of http://www.imperium-europa.org

[Alejandro Magno]

(BUFDRVR) wrote
> Destroying evil racists....

Like the people who attacked this hard-working and honest husband:
http://www.radicalracism.com

Alessandro Magnus III
Emperator of http://www.imperium-europa.org

[Alejandro Magno]

(Krztalizer) wrote
> go back under your bridge, magna troll

What bridge ?

Zio-NATO destroyed all the civilian bridges in the independent and
Christian nation of Serbia.

Alessandro Magnus III
Emperator of http://www.imperium-europa.org

[Krztalizer]

>Something in line with your goats above, we'd often fly along the
>beaches on Sable Island watching thousands of seals peeling into
>the surf as they saw us coming along at low level. One of the
>crew suggested that I go down to the turret and 'cull them', He
>got only some dirty looks from the rest of us for his suggestion.

No doubt - we had some thoroughly NQR guys in the aircrew rates, but most of us
were, by definition, volunteers in a life saving profession so true sadists
were few. Lets see... Mark. Definitely. Wait - that other Mark too - yep, he
was a sicko. And No Neck, geez, what a pervert. Aaand Mr. Clean, with his
obvious phobia.. "Is my hair ok? No, really?" Collectively, we probably owned
60 guns between the 15 of us, Danny, sickest of the bunch, had just about every
gun the Terminator ever used. For some reason, all but one of the Mikes in our
shop were as normal as most folks you pass on the street, but I guess at least
on the surface, we MAY have come across as odd as a group.

MAY.

G

[Dave Kearton]

"Gord Beaman" > wrote in message
|
| Ok Gordon, thanks for the explanation, I certainly don't know for
| sure but I find it strange that the rounds would be visible
| unless they were tracer. Course I don't know anything about 20MM.
|
| I know for sure that the belted .303 that we fired from the front
| turret on Lancasters in the mid-fifties was tracer, (every fifth
| round was at least), The rest were ball (FMJ) and looked like a
| nearly solid line of red streaks from the guns to the water's
| surface.
|
| Something in line with your goats above, we'd often fly along the
| beaches on Sable Island watching thousands of seals peeling into
| the surf as they saw us coming along at low level. One of the
| crew suggested that I go down to the turret and 'cull them', He
| got only some dirty looks from the rest of us for his suggestion.
| --
|
| -Gord.


I know that mortars are good against goats. I was a guest of an
infantry company during one of their firepower demos - in a far gone
previous life.


We had about half a dozen rounds in the air when some genious spotted a herd
of (maybe) 60 goats in the impact area.


Thank you for not asking why the range officer didn't spot them sooner - his
story was that they wandered out of a nearby copse of trees.



I scored a ride out to the impact area wit the demolition guy to check for
blinds - we all knew that there weren't any but it was a 'precaution'.


It was hard to tell how many goats were killed, I'd say most of them, the
others split up and hid in the trees (a leg here an ear there).






Cheers


Dave Kearton

[David Windhorst]

Alejandro Magno wrote:

(Krztalizer) wrote
>
>
>
>>Hey, Mango, when did YOU visit Russia? Never? Then pipe down.
>>
>>
>
>I have many Russian and Serbian friends. They tell me that zio-NATO
>will pay with blood, with blood, with BLOOD, with BLOOD !!!! the
>illegal bombing over the independent and Christian country of Serbia.
>Zio-NATO is cursed.
>
>
<other post-electroshock dribbling drivel snipped>

Geez. What a freak.

[Krztalizer]

>>>Hey, Mango, when did YOU visit Russia? Never? Then pipe down.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>I have many Russian and Serbian friends. They tell me that zio-NATO
>>will pay with blood, with blood, with BLOOD, with BLOOD !!!! the
>>illegal bombing over the independent and Christian country of Serbia.
>>Zio-NATO is cursed.
>>
>>
><other post-electroshock dribbling drivel snipped>
>
>Geez. What a freak.

Does this remind anyone else of that Serbo-Canadian little kid that came in RAM
spreading all kinds of stupidity about two years ago? Methinks he has a new
ISP...

G

[Chad Irby]

In article >,
(Krztalizer) wrote:

> >>>Hey, Mango, when did YOU visit Russia? Never? Then pipe down.
> >>
> >>I have many Russian and Serbian friends. They tell me that zio-NATO
> >>will pay with blood, with blood, with BLOOD, with BLOOD !!!! the
> >>illegal bombing over the independent and Christian country of
> >>Serbia. Zio-NATO is cursed.
> >>
> ><other post-electroshock dribbling drivel snipped>
> >
> >Geez. What a freak.
>
> Does this remind anyone else of that Serbo-Canadian little kid that
> came in RAM spreading all kinds of stupidity about two years ago?
> Methinks he has a new ISP...

These kids nowadays... no stamina. Back in the old days of the net, we
used to get really hard-core, serious net.kooks who kept at it for years
and years, like Ted Holden or Serdar Argic. And they were *serious*
loons, who kept coming back with new and improved kookstuff.

--
cirby at cfl.rr.com

Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations.
Slam on brakes accordingly.

[Pete]

"Chad Irby" > wrote
>
> These kids nowadays... no stamina. Back in the old days of the net, we
> used to get really hard-core, serious net.kooks who kept at it for years
> and years, like Ted Holden or Serdar Argic. And they were *serious*
> loons, who kept coming back with new and improved kookstuff.

Or some DO keep on for years, but keep on with the exact same crap. One Dr.
Michael J. V*******, still orbiting the bicycle groups springs to mind.

Pete