further thoughts about women suicide bombers

[Cub Driver]

On an earlier thread, some despicable mysogynist wondered whether a
female suicide bomber got the 72 virgins issued to martyrs in heaven,
which led some other lowlife to speculate that instead she might be
multiplied into the 72 virgins.

Well, further to those thoughts, here's a note from this morning's
Aero-News Propwash email letter. It should settle the question of
whether the bomber herself was virgo intacta, for those who worry
about such things:

************************************************** ******

"Smuggling a bomb on to
a plane by this method is one of our worst nightmares. If you do
not have specific information about the suspect, it would be
impossible to carry out an intimate body search of every female
passenger."

That's the word from a senior official at Scotland Yard. The
British Daily Mirror quotes that official as saying the al Qaeda
wanted to put a female suicide bomber on British Airways Flight
BA223.

The source told the Mirror that the woman planned to evade close
inspection by hiding eight to 12 ounces of plastic explosive in her
vagina.

all the best -- Dan Ford
email:

see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com
and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com

[tscottme]

Cub Driver > wrote in message
...
>
> On an earlier thread, some despicable mysogynist wondered whether a
> female suicide bomber got the 72 virgins issued to martyrs in heaven,
> which led some other lowlife to speculate that instead she might be
> multiplied into the 72 virgins.
<snip>

If only they would turn their energy into improving their lives rather
than killing anyone that disagrees with them they wouldn't still be
perfecting the camel bomb, or something that may smell like a camel,
while others land on Mars and sample comets.

--

Scott
--------
The French, God bless them, are finally joining the war against Islamic
extremism. Their targets, which will now confront the full force of
l'état, are schoolgirls who wear Muslim head scarves in French public
schools.
Wall Street Journal

[Jim Yanik]

Cub Driver > wrote in
:

>
> On an earlier thread, some despicable mysogynist wondered whether a
> female suicide bomber got the 72 virgins issued to martyrs in heaven,
> which led some other lowlife to speculate that instead she might be
> multiplied into the 72 virgins.
>
> Well, further to those thoughts, here's a note from this morning's
> Aero-News Propwash email letter. It should settle the question of
> whether the bomber herself was virgo intacta, for those who worry
> about such things:
>
> ************************************************** ******
>
> "Smuggling a bomb on to
> a plane by this method is one of our worst nightmares. If you do
> not have specific information about the suspect, it would be
> impossible to carry out an intimate body search of every female
> passenger."
>
> That's the word from a senior official at Scotland Yard. The
> British Daily Mirror quotes that official as saying the al Qaeda
> wanted to put a female suicide bomber on British Airways Flight
> BA223.
>
> The source told the Mirror that the woman planned to evade close
> inspection by hiding eight to 12 ounces of plastic explosive in her
> vagina.
>
> all the best -- Dan Ford
> email:
>
> see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com
> and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com


That would sure relieve those cramps,but give her a lot of gas. ;-)
(one hell of a fart)

Seriously,how would they detonate the plastique? Some sort of chemical
detonator?

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik-at-kua.net

[Dudley Henriques]

"tscottme" > wrote in message
...

> If only they would turn their energy into improving their lives rather
> than killing anyone that disagrees with them they wouldn't still be
> perfecting the camel bomb, or something that may smell like a camel,
> while others land on Mars and sample comets.
>
> --
>
> Scott
> --------

Tom Sneva, the Indy race driver perhaps said it best after hitting the wall
at 200 plus and having a reporter stick a mike in his face immediately
afterward and ask him if he would like to have the chance to try that turn
again?

"If 'if's' and 'buts' were candy and nuts, we'd all have a Merry Christmas"

There comes a time in life when philosophical thinking , unless replaced
fairly fast by a more direct method of dealing with the problem , will most
likely result in the police arriving just in time to draw a pretty white
silhouetted line around what's left of your body after someone who could
care less for the philosophical approach has killed you! :-))
Just a thought!! :-))
Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
Commercial Pilot/ CFI Retired
For personal email, please replace
the z's with e's.
dhenriquesATzarthlinkDOTnzt

[robert arndt]

Cub Driver > wrote in message >...
> On an earlier thread, some despicable mysogynist wondered whether a
> female suicide bomber got the 72 virgins issued to martyrs in heaven,
> which led some other lowlife to speculate that instead she might be
> multiplied into the 72 virgins.
>
> Well, further to those thoughts, here's a note from this morning's
> Aero-News Propwash email letter. It should settle the question of
> whether the bomber herself was virgo intacta, for those who worry
> about such things:
>
> ************************************************** ******
>
> "Smuggling a bomb on to
> a plane by this method is one of our worst nightmares. If you do
> not have specific information about the suspect, it would be
> impossible to carry out an intimate body search of every female
> passenger."
>
> That's the word from a senior official at Scotland Yard. The
> British Daily Mirror quotes that official as saying the al Qaeda
> wanted to put a female suicide bomber on British Airways Flight
> BA223.
>
> The source told the Mirror that the woman planned to evade close
> inspection by hiding eight to 12 ounces of plastic explosive in her
> vagina.
>
> all the best -- Dan Ford
> email:
>
> see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com
> and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com

And how is this any different from a male terrorist smuggling a
similar amt of explosives in his anus? Or a group of male terrorists
carrying each a hidden component up the rectum that adds up to one
nasty device?
Same situation...

Rob

p.s. In fact, if they wanted to go to extremes they could perform
surgery on a person and implant the explosives. Another terrorist
could trigger the device from the ground during t/o and landing. The
CIA and Israel have used this method with animals to kill terrorists.

[B2431]

>From: Cub Driver

>
>On an earlier thread, some despicable mysogynist wondered whether a
>female suicide bomber got the 72 virgins issued to martyrs in heaven,

I am the "despicable mysogynist" who asked the question. The question is valid
and still stands. One of the rewards frequently cited for martyrs is the 72
virgins. I never said the virgins the female martyrs would get were also
female.

If you had a question about what I meant you should have asked instead of
making such a comment about me. It's spelled misogynist.

mi•sog•y•ny (mi soj‚ƒ nŽ, mð-) n.hatred of or hostility toward
women.Compare MISANDRY . [1650–60; < Gk mÂ�sogynÃ*a = mÂ�sogyn (Â�s)a
woman-hater ( m�so-MISO- + -gyn�s,adj. der. of gyn£woman) + -ia -Y3]

Please use the word correctly.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[Dudley Henriques]

"B2431" > wrote in message
...
> >From: Cub Driver
>
> >
> >On an earlier thread, some despicable mysogynist wondered whether a
> >female suicide bomber got the 72 virgins issued to martyrs in heaven,
>
> I am the "despicable mysogynist" who asked the question. The question is
valid
> and still stands. One of the rewards frequently cited for martyrs is the
72
> virgins. I never said the virgins the female martyrs would get were also
> female.
>
> If you had a question about what I meant you should have asked instead of
> making such a comment about me. It's spelled misogynist.
>
> mi.sog.y.ny (mi soj,f nZ, mð-) n.hatred of or hostility toward
> women.Compare MISANDRY . [1650-60; < Gk m�sogynía = m�sogyn (�s)a
> woman-hater ( m�so-MISO- + -gyn�s,adj. der. of gyn£woman) + -ia -Y3]
>
> Please use the word correctly.
>
> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Actually, it is a valid question if it meets two criteria. 1. That is was
meant as a serious inquiry, and 2, considering it was a serious inquiry,
that it addresses the perfectly logical and pertinent question that deals
with the 72 virgins as those virgins relate to the female gender as that in
turn relates to what is stated in the Koran as reward for martyrdom.
I too, would like to know if the 72 virgins are only offered to male
martyrs, and if so, how that relates in turn to a female suicide bomber
offering herself up to Allah as a martyr. It's interesting if this turns out
to be in complete conflict with the rewards being offered to male "martyrs".
If there's a caveat in the Koran that denies these women equal rewards in
heaven that are offered by religious proclomication to their male
counterparts, I for one would be quite interested in how the Mullahs are
selling this to the women!
I believe it's pertinent, and if a serious question , deserves a better
answer than that offered by Ford.
Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
Commercial Pilot/ CFI Retired
For personal email, please replace
the z's with e's.
dhenriquesATzarthlinkDOTnzt

[Eugene Griessel]

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message .net>...
>
> Actually, it is a valid question if it meets two criteria. 1. That is was
> meant as a serious inquiry, and 2, considering it was a serious inquiry,
> that it addresses the perfectly logical and pertinent question that deals
> with the 72 virgins as those virgins relate to the female gender as that in
> turn relates to what is stated in the Koran as reward for martyrdom.
> I too, would like to know if the 72 virgins are only offered to male
> martyrs, and if so, how that relates in turn to a female suicide bomber
> offering herself up to Allah as a martyr. It's interesting if this turns out
> to be in complete conflict with the rewards being offered to male "martyrs".
> If there's a caveat in the Koran that denies these women equal rewards in
> heaven that are offered by religious proclomication to their male
> counterparts, I for one would be quite interested in how the Mullahs are
> selling this to the women!
> I believe it's pertinent, and if a serious question , deserves a better
> answer than that offered by Ford.

Indeed it is a pertinent question, however I think you are seeking far
too much logic in irrational religious fanaticism. An even more
puzzling question, to me at least, is how often these movements are
subtly driven by women. Why would they want to so enthusiastically
support something which is basically depriving them of so much?

[Cub Driver]

>Please use the word correctly.

It was used ironically. No offense intended!

(If you check back, you will find that I was the "some other lowlife"
who responded to the despicable misogynist.)

all the best -- Dan Ford
email:

see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com
and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com

[Cub Driver]

>I believe it's pertinent, and if a serious question , deserves a better
>answer than that offered by Ford.

You guys are a hoot. At what stage of your lives did you stop
laughing?

all the best -- Dan Ford
email:

see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com
and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com

[Gernot Hassenpflug]

This thread has been a hoot, indeed (thanks Dan!). I never saw a
thread before where many of the intelligent posters on this group fell
for it!
--
G Hassenpflug * IJN & JMSDF equipment/history fan

[Rob van Riel]

Cub Driver > wrote in message >...
> female suicide bomber got the 72 virgins issued to martyrs in heaven,

Actually, this is one of those things that have been nagging at me for
a bit. Gender details aside, what good is an eternity in the company
of 72 virgins? I mean, think about it, if you refrain from the implied
x-rated activities, you're basically surrounded for all eternity by 72
members of the opposite sex, all but guaranteed to engage in
continuous "girly talk" (don't know a word for the male equivalent,
but it must be just as bad if you're a woman), and all you can do
watch and be bored and tempted at the same time. Not much of a reward,
if you ask me. On the other hand, if the x-rated activities do occur,
even 72 of them aren't going to last very long as virgins, given that
you've got all of eternity to work with.
Am I the only one who can't make sense of this?

Rob

[Stephen Harding]

B2431 wrote:

> I am the "despicable mysogynist" who asked the question. The question is valid
> and still stands. One of the rewards frequently cited for martyrs is the 72
> virgins. I never said the virgins the female martyrs would get were also
> female.

*Seventy-two* virgins??!!!

For some reason, I was thinking it was seven, like in one for each day of
the week. But that keeps you in virgins for only a week, while 72 provides
a 10 week, 2 day supply.

But you're dead, so we're talking eternity here. Is there much difference
between one week and 10 weeks when you're stuck somewhere for eternity?
Wouldn't you have to put some pretty severe rationing on virgin use?

Geez so many questions!

I'm gonna have to rethink this suicide bombing stuff all over again!


SMH

[Stephen Harding]

Rob van Riel wrote:

> Cub Driver > wrote in message >...
>
>>female suicide bomber got the 72 virgins issued to martyrs in heaven,
>
>
> Actually, this is one of those things that have been nagging at me for
> a bit. Gender details aside, what good is an eternity in the company
> of 72 virgins? I mean, think about it, if you refrain from the implied
> x-rated activities, you're basically surrounded for all eternity by 72
> members of the opposite sex, all but guaranteed to engage in
> continuous "girly talk" (don't know a word for the male equivalent,
> but it must be just as bad if you're a woman), and all you can do
> watch and be bored and tempted at the same time. Not much of a reward,
> if you ask me. On the other hand, if the x-rated activities do occur,
> even 72 of them aren't going to last very long as virgins, given that
> you've got all of eternity to work with.
> Am I the only one who can't make sense of this?

My sentiments exactly Rob!

I lived in Cameroon for a time, and I was told (on very good authority)
that the best number of wives to have was three.

If you have one wife, you get nagged by her. If you have two, you get
two women nagging you.

But if you have three, there will always be one that will take your
side of a disagreement, and the women will end up arguing among themselves,
leaving you, the husband, in peace.

Now this may hold true for 72 virgins as well, but I would think by then,
the raucousness of disagreement would become too terrible to bear.

Yes, Cameroon had a very male dominated society!


SMH

[Dudley Henriques]

"Cub Driver" > wrote in message
...
>
> >I believe it's pertinent, and if a serious question , deserves a better
> >answer than that offered by Ford.
>
> You guys are a hoot. At what stage of your lives did you stop
> laughing?
>
> all the best -- Dan Ford
> email:

That's an interesting observation Dan; I guess it's supposed to be your
subtle way of letting us know that what you said was tongue in cheek and
that we, having lost our sense of humor, missed your otherwise obvious
attempt at playing the devil's advocate?
Well, FWIW old buddy, there are issues I'll laugh about, and issues I'll let
pass without using them to fuel my sense of humor; or anyone else's for that
matter; and using an issue like this, is one I wouldn't use. Obviously, we
disagree on our definition of what's "laughable".
Aside from this, and after reading your initial post again word for word
from top to bottom and finding absolutely nothing there that indicates in
any way whatsoever that the post is anything but serious, might I suggest
that in the future, if subtle humor or sarcasm is your intent, and since
you're a professional writer :-), perhaps you could bend a bit for us less
intelligent and less intellectual types out here and try posting with at
least SOME indication that what you are posting is tongue in cheek?
Finally, since my sense of humor doesn't include discussing people blowing
themselves up, I'll go somewhere else and find another thread where I might
put my sense of humor to better use.
Hey, as you like to say,
"All the best"
Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
Commercial Pilot/ CFI Retired
For personal email, please replace
the z's with e's.
dhenriquesATzarthlinkDOTnzt

[David Windhorst]

John‰] wrote:

>In article >, Stephen Harding
> wrote:
>
>
>
>>B2431 wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>I am the "despicable mysogynist" who asked the question. The question is
>>>valid
>>>and still stands. One of the rewards frequently cited for martyrs is the 72
>>>virgins. I never said the virgins the female martyrs would get were also
>>>female.
>>>
>>>
>>*Seventy-two* virgins??!!!
>>
>>For some reason, I was thinking it was seven, like in one for each day of
>>the week. But that keeps you in virgins for only a week, while 72 provides
>>a 10 week, 2 day supply.
>>
>>But you're dead, so we're talking eternity here. Is there much difference
>>between one week and 10 weeks when you're stuck somewhere for eternity?
>>Wouldn't you have to put some pretty severe rationing on virgin use?
>>
>>Geez so many questions!
>>
>>I'm gonna have to rethink this suicide bombing stuff all over again!
>>
>>
>>SMH
>>
>>
>
>Actually this provision of the Koran was exposed as a typographical
>error several years ago.
>
>It doesn't say "...72 virgins...", it says "...a 72-year-old virgin...."
>
>
I've heard that it's supposed to be "72 Virginians." They're going to be
awfully suprised when the graduating class of VMI shows up...

[Smartace11]

>
>It doesn't say "...72 virgins...", it says "...a 72-year-old virgin...."

Gosh, all along I thought it was 72 Virginians.

The female suicide bomber approach sounds to me like some sicko guy's way of of
getting a real piece of ass.

[Alan Minyard]

On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 08:16:58 -0500, Stephen Harding > wrote:

>B2431 wrote:
>
>> I am the "despicable mysogynist" who asked the question. The question is valid
>> and still stands. One of the rewards frequently cited for martyrs is the 72
>> virgins. I never said the virgins the female martyrs would get were also
>> female.
>
>*Seventy-two* virgins??!!!
>
>For some reason, I was thinking it was seven, like in one for each day of
>the week. But that keeps you in virgins for only a week, while 72 provides
>a 10 week, 2 day supply.
>
>But you're dead, so we're talking eternity here. Is there much difference
>between one week and 10 weeks when you're stuck somewhere for eternity?
>Wouldn't you have to put some pretty severe rationing on virgin use?
>
>Geez so many questions!
>
>I'm gonna have to rethink this suicide bombing stuff all over again!
>
>
>SMH
>

Living with 72 women would meet my definition of hell, but I think that
they were speaking of heaven?

Al Minyard

[[email protected]]

>Actually this provision of the Koran was exposed as a typographical
>error several years ago.
>
>It doesn't say "...72 virgins...", it says "...a 72-year-old virgin...."

Well...yes...I suppose one must consider the advantage of being
present during the release of all that pent-up frustration...um,
yas.
--

-Gord.

[Brian Colwell]

"Stephen Harding" > wrote in message
...
> Rob van Riel wrote:
>
> > Cub Driver > wrote in message
>...
> >
> >>female suicide bomber got the 72 virgins issued to martyrs in heaven,
> >
> >
> > Actually, this is one of those things that have been nagging at me for
> > a bit. Gender details aside, what good is an eternity in the company
> > of 72 virgins? I mean, think about it, if you refrain from the implied
> > x-rated activities, you're basically surrounded for all eternity by 72
> > members of the opposite sex, all but guaranteed to engage in
> > continuous "girly talk" (don't know a word for the male equivalent,
> > but it must be just as bad if you're a woman), and all you can do
> > watch and be bored and tempted at the same time. Not much of a reward,
> > if you ask me. On the other hand, if the x-rated activities do occur,
> > even 72 of them aren't going to last very long as virgins, given that
> > you've got all of eternity to work with.
> > Am I the only one who can't make sense of this?
>
> My sentiments exactly Rob!
>
> I lived in Cameroon for a time, and I was told (on very good authority)
> that the best number of wives to have was three.
>
> If you have one wife, you get nagged by her. If you have two, you get
> two women nagging you.
>
> But if you have three, there will always be one that will take your
> side of a disagreement, and the women will end up arguing among
themselves,
> leaving you, the husband, in peace.
>
> Now this may hold true for 72 virgins as well, but I would think by then,
> the raucousness of disagreement would become too terrible to bear.
>
> Yes, Cameroon had a very male dominated society!
>
>
> SMH

Reminds of a tour I made of Hampton Court, many years ago. The guide was
talking about King Henry the 8th who had six wives ! and he quoted, one for
each day of the week and a bit of peace on Sunday !

BMC

[John Keeney]

"John?] "
> wrote in message
. net...
> In article >, Stephen Harding
> > wrote:
>
> > B2431 wrote:
> >
> > > I am the "despicable mysogynist" who asked the question. The question
is
> > > valid
> > > and still stands. One of the rewards frequently cited for martyrs is
the 72
> > > virgins. I never said the virgins the female martyrs would get were
also
> > > female.
> >
> > *Seventy-two* virgins??!!!
> >
> > For some reason, I was thinking it was seven, like in one for each day
of
> > the week. But that keeps you in virgins for only a week, while 72
provides
> > a 10 week, 2 day supply.
> >
> > But you're dead, so we're talking eternity here. Is there much
difference
> > between one week and 10 weeks when you're stuck somewhere for eternity?
> > Wouldn't you have to put some pretty severe rationing on virgin use?
> >
> > Geez so many questions!
> >
> > I'm gonna have to rethink this suicide bombing stuff all over again!
> >
> >
> > SMH
>
> Actually this provision of the Koran was exposed as a typographical
> error several years ago.
>
> It doesn't say "...72 virgins...", it says "...a 72-year-old virgin...."

Well, as much as I hate to break in to a good joke with facts,
there is some claim that it kind'f does amount to a typo.
The claim is that the reward is actually 72 "seeds of profound ideas",
the ancient word for this concept and "virgins" being written the same.
The modern written language having added a couple of little marks
to distinguish the two with the wrong "new version" having been kept.

[Stephen Harding]

John Keeney wrote:

> Well, as much as I hate to break in to a good joke with facts,
> there is some claim that it kind'f does amount to a typo.
> The claim is that the reward is actually 72 "seeds of profound ideas",
> the ancient word for this concept and "virgins" being written the same.
> The modern written language having added a couple of little marks
> to distinguish the two with the wrong "new version" having been kept.

Well you're no fun John!

Actually, it seems a lot of explanation of events in the Bible can
be fully or partially explained by mis-translations, so it shouldn't
be too surprising that this might hold true for the Koran as well.


SMH

[Guy Wastiaux]

what if male terrorist ask for virgin men ? Is that an option ?
I thought many terrorists were gay :p


Cub Driver wrote:
> On an earlier thread, some despicable mysogynist wondered whether a
> female suicide bomber got the 72 virgins issued to martyrs in heaven,
> which led some other lowlife to speculate that instead she might be
> multiplied into the 72 virgins.
>
> Well, further to those thoughts, here's a note from this morning's
> Aero-News Propwash email letter. It should settle the question of
> whether the bomber herself was virgo intacta, for those who worry
> about such things:
>
> ************************************************** ******
>
> "Smuggling a bomb on to
> a plane by this method is one of our worst nightmares. If you do
> not have specific information about the suspect, it would be
> impossible to carry out an intimate body search of every female
> passenger."
>
> That's the word from a senior official at Scotland Yard. The
> British Daily Mirror quotes that official as saying the al Qaeda
> wanted to put a female suicide bomber on British Airways Flight
> BA223.
>
> The source told the Mirror that the woman planned to evade close
> inspection by hiding eight to 12 ounces of plastic explosive in her
> vagina.
>
> all the best -- Dan Ford
> email:
>
> see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com
> and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com

[tscottme]

Islam makes Scientology look sane by comparison.

--

Scott
--------
The French, God bless them, are finally joining the war against Islamic
extremism. Their targets, which will now confront the full force of
l'état, are schoolgirls who wear Muslim head scarves in French public
schools.
Wall Street Journal

[L'acrobat]

"B2431" > wrote in message
...
> >From: Cub Driver
>
> >
> >On an earlier thread, some despicable mysogynist wondered whether a
> >female suicide bomber got the 72 virgins issued to martyrs in heaven,
>
> I am the "despicable mysogynist" who asked the question. The question is
valid
> and still stands. One of the rewards frequently cited for martyrs is the
72
> virgins. I never said the virgins the female martyrs would get were also
> female.
>

I wouldn't worry too much about it -

Die Syro-Aramaische Lesart des Koran, available only in German, came out
just over a year ago, but has already had an enthusiastic reception,
particularly among those scholars with a knowledge of several Semitic
languages at Princeton, Yale, Berlin, Potsdam, Erlangen, Aix-en-Provence,
and the Oriental Institute in Beirut.
Luxenberg tries to show that many obscurities of the Koran disappear if we
read certain words as being Syriac and not Arabic. We cannot go into the
technical details of his methodology but it allows Luxenberg, to the
probable horror of all Muslim males dreaming of sexual bliss in the Muslim
hereafter, to conjure away the wide-eyed houris promised to the faithful in
suras XLIV.54; LII.20, LV.72, and LVI.22. Luxenberg 's new analysis, leaning
on the Hymns of Ephrem the Syrian, yields "white raisins" of "crystal
clarity" rather than doe-eyed, and ever willing virgins - the houris.
Luxenberg claims that the context makes it clear that it is food and drink
that is being offerred, and not unsullied maidens or houris.

In Syriac, the word hur is a feminine plural adjective meaning white, with
the word "raisin" understood implicitly. Similarly, the immortal, pearl-like
ephebes or youths of suras such as LXXVI.19 are really a misreading of a
Syriac expression meaning chilled raisins (or drinks) that the just will
have the pleasure of tasting in contrast to the boiling drinks promised the
unfaithful and damned.

As Luxenberg's work has only recently been published we must await its
scholarly assessment before we can pass any judgements. But if his analysis
is correct then suicide bombers, or rather prospective martyrs, would do
well to abandon their culture of death, and instead concentrate on getting
laid 72 times in this world, unless of course they would really prefer
chilled or white raisins, according to their taste, in the next.