Mig 29-- how good?

[Charles Gray]

There have been a lot of unkind things said about Russian hardware on
this board...but... There are the following facts.
1. In most cases, it's been U.S. frontline (and face it, Israeli AF
is equivelant to the U.S. frontline air force) against export models.
2. We've been fighting services with very poor levels of maitenance,
professionalism, and just about anything else you care to name.
3. In many caes, we've had great superiority in numbers, operating in
an enviroment where we are the only ones about with AWACs-- quite
correctly, the Air Force isn't interested in making a "fair" fight.

But... suppose we bought a squadron of Mig-29's, provided U.S.
pilots and U.S. level maitenance, training and flight time.
How well would they stack up then? Mainly, how good is the hardware
of the Mig-29, absent the deficiencies in operating it?

[David Bromage]

The Luftwaffe got rid of the ex-East German Mig-29s for a reason, even
after all the upgrades.

Cheers
David

[Roman J. Rohleder]

David Bromage > schrieb:

>The Luftwaffe got rid of the ex-East German Mig-29s for a reason, even
>after all the upgrades.

.... because maintaining just a few is too expensive. Not because of
their functionality.

Why do you think Poland took them?

>Cheers
>David

Gruss, Roman

[Roman J. Rohleder]

David Bromage > schrieb:

>The Luftwaffe got rid of the ex-East German Mig-29s for a reason, even
>after all the upgrades.

.... because maintaining just a few is too expensive. Not because of
their functionality.

Why do you think Poland took them?

http://www.flug-revue.rotor.com/FRHeft/FRH0312/FR0312e.htm

>Cheers
>David

Gruss, Roman

[David Bromage]

Roman J. Rohleder wrote:
> Why do you think Poland took them?

The sale price was attractive.

Cheers
David

[John Carrier]

From some Bug driver friends that had a chance to do some disimilar
training.

Better energy, sustained maneuverability ... they could out-rate the F-18.
Not as good High AOA ... the F-18 could out-radius the Mig-29. Helmet
mounted sight with Archer was deadly. Not as good as the F-18 + AMRAAM on
the run-in.

The generation of Russian aircraft to which the Su-27 + variants and the
Mig-29 belong are characterized by superb aerodynamics. Avionics lag US
designs. Cockpit ergonomics ... the F-18 sets the standard here ... are
still clearly behind (albeit not nearly as crude as early Mig series).

R / John

"Charles Gray" > wrote in message
...
> There have been a lot of unkind things said about Russian hardware on
> this board...but... There are the following facts.
> 1. In most cases, it's been U.S. frontline (and face it, Israeli AF
> is equivelant to the U.S. frontline air force) against export models.
> 2. We've been fighting services with very poor levels of maitenance,
> professionalism, and just about anything else you care to name.
> 3. In many caes, we've had great superiority in numbers, operating in
> an enviroment where we are the only ones about with AWACs-- quite
> correctly, the Air Force isn't interested in making a "fair" fight.
>
> But... suppose we bought a squadron of Mig-29's, provided U.S.
> pilots and U.S. level maitenance, training and flight time.
> How well would they stack up then? Mainly, how good is the hardware
> of the Mig-29, absent the deficiencies in operating it?

[Krztalizer]

>Cockpit ergonomics ... the F-18 sets the standard here ... are
>still clearly behind (albeit not nearly as crude as early Mig series).

Remember that MiG 21 series with every bit of the forward few obstructed by
some sort of primative HUD? I looked at that from a dozen angles, wondering,
how the hell do you land a delta-winged jet without being able to see the
runway??

G
<====(A+C====>
USN SAR

Donate your memories - write a note on the back and send your old photos to a
reputable museum, don't take them with you when you're gone.

[Eugene Griessel]

"John Carrier" > wrote in message >...

> Better energy, sustained maneuverability ... they could out-rate the F-18.
> Not as good High AOA ... the F-18 could out-radius the Mig-29. Helmet
> mounted sight with Archer was deadly. Not as good as the F-18 + AMRAAM on
> the run-in.

Ah yes. Russian helmet mounted sights an exact copy of one stolen
from South Africa in the late 70s.